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People Changing Jobs Too Often Could Be Punished by China's Social Credit System (abacusnews.com)
Lots of things can hurt your social credit in China. Failing to repay your debts, plagiarizing academic articles and building a debt-laden tech empire and then fleeing to another country, to name a few random examples. One province now wants to add another "discredited behavior" that seems much more harmless: Switching jobs too often. From a report: Zhejiang is pushing to build a local social credit system that will, among other things, deem residents a "discredited" person if they move from job to job too frequently, according to a local TV report. "If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave. Ge didn't specify how "frequently" is too frequent, but he said the upcoming system will put restrictions on both companies and individual workers.
"If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave.
This is a really sick viewpoint, although in this case there isn't much cultural difference between the east and west. Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
An interesting aspect of this social credit thing is that each step mirrors things that already exist today... it's well understood that changing jobs too often looks bad on a resume. Or at least, it did before lots of people started doing that, don't even know if it's that bad these days...
That's the bad thing about a system like social credit codifying rules, is that the rules that affect your score probably change a lot more slowly than socially accepted behavior. I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people? Or create a kind of mindless utopia that lasts forever? So far, nothing has lasted forever... or even close.
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If the US is fully committed to capitalism and the methods of the authoritarian Chinese government proves to be the most profitable for corporate/government stakeholders then it is only a matter of time before the US adopts similar policies.
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Big Brother is alive and well over there!
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
As you point out, there already was a "social-credit rule" for this: How people viewed your resume.
Of course, that's a decentralized codification; each individual can make his own decision about how to understand a resume. The problem here is, as always, centralization; the problem is a monopoly.
All you folks rant and rave about the dangers of a monopoly, but you can't seem to perceive that a government is itself a monopoly—the worst kind of monopoly, in fact: One grown through violent imposition rather than voluntary trade.
The problem is government; the problem is violent imposition of The One True Way; the problem is authoritarianism.
Thank you, anonymous coward Chinese troll, for your delightful fake facts.
AP News: "China bars millions from travel for ‘social credit’ offenses". ref
Business Insider: "China has already started punishing people [with low social credit] by restricting their travel. Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics." Ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4
Wikipedia: "Travel ban. By the end of 2018, 5.5 million high-speed rail trips and 17.5 million flights had been denied to prospective travellers who were on a blacklist." ref
And the "social credit" system is also used, yes, to enforce politics. Wired: "If solving problems was the real goal, the CCP would not need social credit to do it," she says. "China’s social credit system is a state-driven program designed to do one thing, to uphold and expand the Chinese Communist Party’s power." (Ref: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained
Really? Who is trying to deplatform those they don't agree with? It isn't the right.
Yes it is.
Incidents at Harvard and Catholic Universities challenge idea that liberals are the only ones preventing ideas from being voiced on campuses.
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Actually, the scariest thing about a social credit system isn't codifying the rules, it's that they are not public. So everyone worries about any given act and self-polices. It's actually too easy to change the rules - well-placed rumors can have people refusing to wear red shirts (the color of Pooh's shirt), or otherwise behaving in cargo-cult ways. Which is great for an authoritarian system bent on control (let the rebels wear their red undershirts as opposed to take on the system!), but horrible for living in the society.
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Sure, you don't want to be doing it every year, but every 2-3 years, sure.
Yes, about every 3 years is the sweet spot. This not only maximizes your income, but is good for companies as well. Job hoppers help ideas flow between companies, and enables rapidly growing companies to attract top talent and expand faster.
Productivity is higher in places like Silicon Valley where job hopping is common, urged on by California's ban on non-compete agreements. Jurisdictions with rigid labor markets tend to have stagnant economies, and less innovation.
Churn is good.
...Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
Yes, but that was challenged and ruled illegal by the U.S. government. That makes a difference: in the US, the government challenges the anticompetitive "gentleman's agreement". In China, the government enforces it.
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I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people?
That already exists. It's called "Religion". And yes, it does pretty much exactly that.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Switching jobs about every two years allows you to maximize your earning potential.
Companies whine about employees not being loyal but they partially created this problem:
* Asymmetrical respect. They can fire you at any time but when YOU want to end the business relationship they expect two weeks.
* no or meaningless rewards for being a loyal, long term employee
* don't offer pay increases comparable to switching to a new job
* idiotic "Human Resources" dept. as if people are resources to be strip-mined instead of treating them as an asset
Getting this back on topic:
China wants to reward bad companies and penalize good people??? Color me surprised. /s
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The end-case of this is serfdom. You cannot leave your job without your "noble"'s approval. Sub government for noble in this case.