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US Conducted Secret Surveillance of China's Huawei, Prosecutors Say (reuters.com)
U.S. authorities gathered information about Huawei through secret surveillance that they plan to use in a case accusing the Chinese telecom equipment maker of sanctions-busting and bank fraud, prosecutors said on Thursday. From a report: Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Solomon said at a hearing in federal court in Brooklyn that the evidence, obtained under the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), would require classified handling. The government notified Huawei in a court filing on Thursday of its intent to use the information, saying it was "obtained or derived from electronic surveillance and physical search," but gave no details. The United States has been pressuring other countries to drop Huawei from their cellular networks, worried its equipment could be used by Beijing for spying. The company says the concerns are unfounded. Brian Frey, a former federal prosecutor who is not involved in the Huawei case, said FISA surveillance, which requires a warrant from a special court, is generally sought in connection with suspected espionage.
Don't use Huawei equipment because it's opening you up to being spied upon! How do we know? Well, we spied upon Huawei of course. Wait... Where are you going?
You suck, Miss Mash!
Don't let China spy on you, let us do it instead.
The implication that anyone might believe that Huawei wasn't under scrutiny, when US citizens with far less import are investigated secretly, is the only interesting component of this non-story.
"secret surveillance", or as everyone else calls it "spying"
China = Totalitarian cabal = Huawei. I'm glad to see such repeatedly bad actors get investigated where it counts, fuck Huawei apologists.
Fuck Huawei.
While not surprising, clearly they have no sense of irony.
Trust US, because We said so.
Miss Mash, you smelly HOMO!
Miss Mash promotes pro homo propaganda.
Fuck you Miss Mash!
Damn this whole comment section is filled with pro US anti China propaganda. Da fuck is going on?
Your tax dollars at work.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
King Solomon worshiped Satan. Read the book yourself if you don't believe me.
Meh, I'll bite since this is some creatively "out there" trolling. You seem to be unaware that the book you're referring to, which is fictitiously/falsely attributed to Solomon by its actual author, was written a millennium or more after Solomon's death in a language that didn't even exist at the time of his reign. If you actually read it, you should have noticed the readily apparent Greek influence (e.g. mythological, thematic, and linguistic) that should have been a dead giveaway that it came much later and wasn't something he authored.
But hey, if you think that book is historically accurate, I've got a few other historical accounts that might interest you and are of similar levels of historicity. They really provide some insight into the period conditions of their respective times and places.
On the plus side, today I learned a new word from that first link: pseudepigraphical.
How is China not being a free country either an excuse for the fact that the US is not a free country?
The US is not all that free anymore, at least the Chinese people realize they are not free. While in the US, it brainwashes ignorant people then call them patriots. Weren't you for the Patriot Act?
The united states has the largest prison population in the world by a huge margin
After Snowden; is anyone surprised that the US government is constantly conducting secret surveillance? The beauty is that the general sheep population doesn't usually notice the effect.
Such an outpouring of hate
Tell that to the muslims in western China, Tibetans, anyone with debt, changes jobs too often, or mentions the Tianamen square massacre.
Every powerful country spies on shit in other countries.
There is a long history, the USA has been doing it since the end of wwII. Without apology!
Our allies do it to us too!!!
If you think this is immoral... maybe you're right. In the 1800s the US actually considered some olde timey versions of the sort of spycraft that started late WWII/ early cold war and became the norm.
I wish i could provide some direct quotes and names but the general sentiment of our government was that it was "Unamerican, ungentlemanly, etc"
Quaint; maybe they're right. But it doesn't change the fact they've been doing this for your entire life. Somehow you never picked up on this.
It surprised me to learn about this too:
They talked about it on the news. I remember I was 8 in 1985. We were maybe the first people in our neighborhood to have cable tv. I remember.. as an 8 year old boy with ADHD I saw on the news that Jonathan Pollard was spying for israel. I barely knew what israel was.
But I do remember that they mentioned that they were one of our closest allies and that was weird to me.
So at 8 years old I had somehow acquired an important bit of information that you have yet to learn.
I guess the point is that you may be mentally retarded but it doesn't mean you can't have a long and fulfilling life if you learn appropriate coping strategies
The US can do domestic collection and the Foreign in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance.
Multitasking.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The jobs of intelligence agencies is to keep us safe from foreign threats like China. For those who say, "oh how ironic" that is whataboutism because we're talking about China, an aggressive authoritarian nation with an awful humans right record (currently "re-educating" a million+ Muslims). If you are reading this then your country is likely either the US itself or a close ally of the US. Between trusting an ally and bellicose nation bent on expanding it's power at any cost, I will always opt for an ally.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
We have the largest official prison population. But don't believe these brags.. our secret prison program is decades behind other countries!!!
Sadly our secret prisons have been curtailed by libtards and other haters of freedom.
I missed the opportunity to invest in our private prison system at the ground floor. Now all the libtards are crying about civil rights and who knows what else!!! Stick a fork in it mortimer!!
LIEberuls don't know a good thing when they see it. The private prison system has all the hallmarks of a REIT except with the sort of fixed pricing you're only going to get from uncompetitive defense contracts. It's not even a win-win. It's more like a 10 foot solid gold participation trophy for anyone smart and hard working enough to see the money. Maybe we'd get more millennials on board if I described the dividends as a participation trophy for prison activism!
But hopefully we can get a private dark site prison system going. I won't miss that bus twice I'll tell you that! The best part is that when the prisons are secret we won't have a bunch of bleeding hearts crying to death every time someone gets their ass beat in handcuffs. It's prison! There's handcuffs!! If we make it nice how will they learn?
Anyhow hopefully trump will make good on his plans to bring back torture but it's soundling like the demon-creeps might have been right; He's simply too stupid to execute any of his promises because he doesn't understand shit.
Oh well a broken clock is right twice a day.... unless you're in a dark site prison.. they make sure prisoners can't tell the time. (Side benefit: at least 1000 dollars in timekeeping related savings per black site!)
Msmash is the best we've got at this point.
Don't fuck with msmash
USA Intelligence doesn't aid US companies, unlike Chinese, France, Russian, Indian, Pakistani, Israeli, and most other countries intelligence services.
USA companies can sue the USGovt and often actually win their cases to NOT be forced to hand over personal data when they feel the request isn't specific enough or is outside US jurisdiction.
Have you ever, ever, ever, heard of a Chinese or Russian company doing the same? Hint. Nope.
When analysts in the USGovt intelligence services make a claim, outside any political pressures (which they wouldn't know about) unlike Colin Powell, I'd trust it.
We know the NSA hacked into Huawei over the last few years. It has been reported by multiple, reputable, news outlets.
What does that show us? That the US is good at hacking? Well, not really. It shows that Huawei is terrible at security, which is a very important consideration for any network infrastructure. It also means that the NSA was able to see internal documents on the Huawei corporate network which stated their policies and ongoing Chinese Govt requests for information world-wide. Over 20 Huawei employees have been caught performing espionage around the world. Sure, they have a corporate policy against this, but the Chinese govt has placed people inside Huawei in key roles to have access with overseas technology companies either as potential clients or on projects where they work together, cough, and steal the other companies ideas.
Huawei needs to be thrown out of all countries where fair competition is the rule.
Why is Huawei equipment so cheap? Because they have 20 yrs of technical debt and crap code. The UK audit of their code clearly showed that. What do they say? "Fast, Cheap, Good. Pick any 2."
Hint, with Huawei, you cannot pick "good."
What if. All of these china shill posts are actual chinese citizens trying to boost their social credit score.... I mean, its plausible.
Nobody here ever said seriously that China's hand in Huawei 's ass is great.
The point, which you wind like an eel to get out of, is that YOU are exactly like, if not worse than that.
Get this into your thick skull: THERE IS NO EITHER/OR! THERE IA NO VERSUS! *BOTH* SIDEA ARE EVIL AND WRONG! (And so alike, that in my book, they are the same side: Our sworn enemies.)
This very article proves that.
Th NSA leaks are cold hard proof of that.
China spies, USA spies, same assholes.
Huawei, Cisco, same hand puppets.
And you're just a talking head hand puppet too. (Nobody cares for which "side".)
In Pakistan, "freedom fighters" means the Taliban, and "terrorists" means the USA.
Just because that's their definition, doesn't make it right, does it?
You can write evil crimes into laws all you want, and act like law is what's right and wrong. But it's still gonna stay being evil crimes.
Spying is an evil crime. Period.
In fact, the whole concept of acting like it is OK to harm somebody because they did something that you consider harmful to you, and acting like that somehow makes you not the same, is *crazy fucked-up*, immature, childish, troglodyte-level primitive, idiotic and just plain retarded.
It is *precisely* what Jesus, Ghandi and the Dalai Lama teach to not do. Along with pretty much every other moral guide ever.
Yet it is the foundation of your law.
If that doesn't say it all for you, then you cannot be helped.
It's so obvious because they all parrot the same stupid bullet points and strawman attacks with only slightly changed wording.
Sometimes the wording even is exactly the same!
Always acting like being against the NSA means being pro China and against the USA. When reality is closer to the opposite.
(Seriously, if you are pro NSA, then you hate America and want it to be like China.
No way around that fact.)
I have read the leaks, dear NSA hand puppet.
It literally says that the NSA aided the US industry and worked in their interests! So much that it was a big fraction of their entire work!
You must be truly panicking, to grasp at such desperate over-exaggerated straws. lol
US spies on Huawei, then accuses Huawei of spying on US. I do believe the motivation for this kind of prosecution is to punish Huawei for not letting the NSA put back-doors into its equipment, as all the rest have done. Yes I mean you Microsoft. All that telemetry going back to the Utah Data Center purely to enhance the user experience ;]
The jobs of intelligence agencies is to spy on its own people just in case they become a threat to their owners ;]
Gravis Zero: "The jobs of intelligence agencies is to keep us safe from foreign threats like China. For those who say, "oh how ironic" that is whataboutism because we're talking about China, an aggressive authoritarian nation with an awful humans right record (currently "re-educating" a million+ Muslims). If you are reading this then your country is likely either the US itself or a close ally of the US. Between trusting an ally and bellicose nation bent on expanding it's power at any cost, I will always opt for an ally.
Anonymous: "Europe threw Nokia and others under the bus and made it about the US being a bully in order to try to convince people Chinese made tech was ok. Huawei bribed the heck out of people to get that to happen, but it still happened.
What are you on about, do you mind providing some background and verifiable citation for the above statements?
a. Microsoft bought Nokia in order to leverage its way into the mobile market. A series of missteps and not even Microsoft's deep pockets could persuade people to use Windows Mobile. Microsoft a currently reduced to taxing android handset makers.
Tell that to American Muslims after 9/11. Tell that to black people in the US, so used to be slaves, and are even disadvantaged today. And the Hispanics, descendents of the Maya, Inca, etc. And don't even get me started about the native Americans.
Yes, do try to help the Uighurs and Tibetans in China. That's noble. But don't forget to look in the mirror sometimes, too.
There are people in your own country who need help, too.
You need over 9000 social score to get over the firewall
Fuck you, America. This is why nobody likes you, nobody takes you seriously and everyone wants you dead. Just fuck off. The rest of the world will get by just fine without you.
Tell that to American Muslims after 9/11. Tell that to black people in the US, so used to be slaves, and are even disadvantaged today. And the Hispanics, descendents of the Maya, Inca, etc. And don't even get me started about the native Americans.
Yes, do try to help the Uighurs and Tibetans in China. That's noble. But don't forget to look in the mirror sometimes, too.
There are people in your own country who need help, too.
Oh you are so righteous and so full of bullshit.......
I see the Prophet Solomon's (PBUH) name being brought up and falsely attributed to something which people have no knowledge about. Just to clear it up, this is the whole truth and nothing else. And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not, - Quran 2:101 And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew. ~ Quran 2:102
I see the Prophet Solomon's (PBUH) name being brought up and falsely attributed to something which people have no knowledge about. Solomon never worshiped satan. Just to clear it up, this is the whole truth and nothing else.
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not, - Quran 2:101
And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew. ~ Quran 2:102
Tell hay to the Jews who were slaughtered and enslaved in World War II. Every race has been slave owners and slaves so STFU with your selective outrage.
We're all one happy Global Family now right?
Too many people seem to forget we're in competition with other Nations.
Too many people seem ready to bend over in the Spirit of acceptance when the competition doesn't reciprocate one bit.
Effing hippies suck in any generation.
I don't see the point of this; we are (and have been, trust me) actively spying on each other for a long time. This only serves as a PR campaign.
And DUH, of course we're going to protect our national interests by doing so, why is this so shocking?
The US has long since known about China's activities, logic bombs and other methods they've been using to penetrate our infrastructure. It, among many other reasons and other countries, is why DoD makes their own chips for sensitive operations.
Huawei is guilty as guilt can be -- but you'll never find out details; that is, until a public research entity decides to continue exposing their methods.
It's only bad when someone else does it.
The US fucking INVADES countries to support their companies.
What rock have you been living under?
False:China does.
Go look at their social credit rating system.
Lack of freedom, is a prison. Physical bars merely make it a physical prison. Social bars, make it a psychological one.