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US Conducted Secret Surveillance of China's Huawei, Prosecutors Say (reuters.com)

U.S. authorities gathered information about Huawei through secret surveillance that they plan to use in a case accusing the Chinese telecom equipment maker of sanctions-busting and bank fraud, prosecutors said on Thursday. From a report: Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Solomon said at a hearing in federal court in Brooklyn that the evidence, obtained under the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), would require classified handling. The government notified Huawei in a court filing on Thursday of its intent to use the information, saying it was "obtained or derived from electronic surveillance and physical search," but gave no details. The United States has been pressuring other countries to drop Huawei from their cellular networks, worried its equipment could be used by Beijing for spying. The company says the concerns are unfounded. Brian Frey, a former federal prosecutor who is not involved in the Huawei case, said FISA surveillance, which requires a warrant from a special court, is generally sought in connection with suspected espionage.

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  1. How ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't use Huawei equipment because it's opening you up to being spied upon! How do we know? Well, we spied upon Huawei of course. Wait... Where are you going?

    1. Re:How ironic... by supremebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that US just wants less people using the Huawei network equipment with the Chinese backdoors in it's firmware, and the Cisco network equipment with the NSA backdoors in it's firmware instead. It just makes things a bit easier for our various three letter intelligence agencies. I mean, the Chinese keep changing the passwords on their backdoors, and it's a pain to have to brute force them instead of just looking them up in USpyWiki...

    2. Re:How ironic... by davmoo · · Score: 1

      Probably won't help her. It's only illegal when someone else does it. When the US does, it's perfectly fine. Just ask the US government.

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    3. Re:How ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Frankly this is how things work when you're a hegemon. You get to make the rules and spy on everyone to make sure your world order is, well, in order.

      In this case we had good reason to believe Huawei was trading with NK and Iran - And it turns out they were! There's also good reason that the party elite in China that have family ties to Huawei are a bit too cozy for comfort so we're suggesting everyone be not so eager to take up Huawei on their cheap telco gear.

      You can whine and whinge about being under the thumb if evil imperial ameirkkka but really consider the alternatives. There are no neutral parties in geopolics. You're either with the western powers, or under the influence of a dictatorship. Or a socialist dictatorship. Or a theocratic dictatorship. Just ask anyone who lives in one which they'd really prefer (There are plenty of refugees that will tell you in most cases).

    4. Re:How ironic... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's a Canadian court though, so if the spying was done outside the US (and thus almost certainly illegal in the country where it happened) that might help her case.

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    5. Re: How ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She will be Ok. The Chinese will just arrest a bunch of Americans and Canadians and arrange a swap.
      Would not recommend traveling to China to do business right now.

    6. Re:How ironic... by davmoo · · Score: 1

      My bad. I thought Canada had already decided to extradite her and we were talking about US courts. As you point out, that is not the case. So she may have a genuine chance.

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    7. Re: How ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US was advocating Europe using European tech providers though.....

      Europe threw Nokia and others under the bus and made it about the US being a bully in order to try to convince people Chinese made tech was ok. Huawei bribed the heck out of people to get that to happen, but it still happened.

      What is seriously shocking from an outsider's prospective is how easy it was to get Europe to turn on itself. Everyone gets it, the US is a bully and don't do business with it, but shooting yourselves in the foot? Really?

      That is Russian level ridiculousness.

    8. Re: How ironic... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Dude, are you drunk? Did you actually read what he wrote? I mean I'm high as hell and a little buzzed aiming for drunk... And I still don't get wtf your comment came from.

    9. Re:How ironic... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      So you think canada doesn't spy?

    10. Re: How ironic... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Lots of bridges for sale recently. Yes, the US only started spying because everyone else was doing it, yep, uh huh. How will they prove it, why via the IP addresses they spoof, and no search, warrant no problem, now US search warrants work in any country in the world, especially the mystery FISA ones. So evidence that can readily be fabricated, that was claimed to be obtained upon an illegal basis, that supports US global dominance, is well, what it ain't is evidence, just more bullshit. The US governments lies and it lies a whole damn lot and it lies so much now, in full view of everyone it will tell lies, that they know, everyone else knows, is a lie, like it still means something.

      What Russia collusion investigation, never happened, there was no US investigation into Russian collusion, it is all a Russia lie. You know they will start going there, lying about having fabricated an investigation, lying about the sanctions, saying they were for other fabricated reason, lying that sanctions even exist, lying about the weather, whether it is day on night or any other lie they can tell that they believe they can individual profit by.

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    11. Re:How ironic... by KingStannis · · Score: 1

      Fewer.

    12. Re:How ironic... by Kartu · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer being spied by USA rather than China, thank you very much.

    13. Re: How ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lots of stupid on /. every day, you don't stand out at all.

  2. Usual Red Scare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't let China spy on you, let us do it instead.

  3. Sense of irony? by jbrown.za · · Score: 1

    While not surprising, clearly they have no sense of irony.

  4. Re:Hate? by Archtech · · Score: 2

    Damn this whole comment section is filled with pro US anti China propaganda. Da fuck is going on?

    Your tax dollars at work.

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  5. Re:Testament of Solomon by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

    King Solomon worshiped Satan. Read the book yourself if you don't believe me.

    Meh, I'll bite since this is some creatively "out there" trolling. You seem to be unaware that the book you're referring to, which is fictitiously/falsely attributed to Solomon by its actual author, was written a millennium or more after Solomon's death in a language that didn't even exist at the time of his reign. If you actually read it, you should have noticed the readily apparent Greek influence (e.g. mythological, thematic, and linguistic) that should have been a dead giveaway that it came much later and wasn't something he authored.

    But hey, if you think that book is historically accurate, I've got a few other historical accounts that might interest you and are of similar levels of historicity. They really provide some insight into the period conditions of their respective times and places.

    On the plus side, today I learned a new word from that first link: pseudepigraphical.

  6. Re: Equating the two is moronic, not ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The united states has the largest prison population in the world by a huge margin

  7. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The US can do domestic collection and the Foreign in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance.
    Multitasking.

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  8. It's legitimate. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

    The jobs of intelligence agencies is to keep us safe from foreign threats like China. For those who say, "oh how ironic" that is whataboutism because we're talking about China, an aggressive authoritarian nation with an awful humans right record (currently "re-educating" a million+ Muslims). If you are reading this then your country is likely either the US itself or a close ally of the US. Between trusting an ally and bellicose nation bent on expanding it's power at any cost, I will always opt for an ally.

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  9. USA Intelligence doesn't aid US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    USA Intelligence doesn't aid US companies, unlike Chinese, France, Russian, Indian, Pakistani, Israeli, and most other countries intelligence services.

    USA companies can sue the USGovt and often actually win their cases to NOT be forced to hand over personal data when they feel the request isn't specific enough or is outside US jurisdiction.

    Have you ever, ever, ever, heard of a Chinese or Russian company doing the same? Hint. Nope.

    When analysts in the USGovt intelligence services make a claim, outside any political pressures (which they wouldn't know about) unlike Colin Powell, I'd trust it.

    We know the NSA hacked into Huawei over the last few years. It has been reported by multiple, reputable, news outlets.

    What does that show us? That the US is good at hacking? Well, not really. It shows that Huawei is terrible at security, which is a very important consideration for any network infrastructure. It also means that the NSA was able to see internal documents on the Huawei corporate network which stated their policies and ongoing Chinese Govt requests for information world-wide. Over 20 Huawei employees have been caught performing espionage around the world. Sure, they have a corporate policy against this, but the Chinese govt has placed people inside Huawei in key roles to have access with overseas technology companies either as potential clients or on projects where they work together, cough, and steal the other companies ideas.

    Huawei needs to be thrown out of all countries where fair competition is the rule.

    Why is Huawei equipment so cheap? Because they have 20 yrs of technical debt and crap code. The UK audit of their code clearly showed that. What do they say? "Fast, Cheap, Good. Pick any 2."

    Hint, with Huawei, you cannot pick "good."

  10. Re: Equating the two is moronic, not ironic by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    What if. All of these china shill posts are actual chinese citizens trying to boost their social credit score.... I mean, its plausible.

  11. Re:Testament of Solomon by propheth · · Score: 1

    I see the Prophet Solomon's (PBUH) name being brought up and falsely attributed to something which people have no knowledge about. Just to clear it up, this is the whole truth and nothing else. And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not, - Quran 2:101 And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew. ~ Quran 2:102

  12. Re:Testament of Solomon by propheth · · Score: 1

    I see the Prophet Solomon's (PBUH) name being brought up and falsely attributed to something which people have no knowledge about. Solomon never worshiped satan. Just to clear it up, this is the whole truth and nothing else.

    And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not, - Quran 2:101

    And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew. ~ Quran 2:102