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Are America's Big Telecom Companies Suppressing Fiber? (salon.com)

Salon just published a new interview with Susan Crawford, the author of "Fiber: The Coming Tech Revolution -- And Why America Might Miss It." Crawford has spent years studying the business of these underground fiber optic cables that make fast internet possible. As it turns out, the internet infrastructure situation in the United States is almost hopelessly compromised by the oligopolistic telecom industry, which, due to lack of competition and deregulation, is hesitant to invest in their aging infrastructure... This is going to pose a huge problem for the future, Crawford warns, noting that politicians as well as the telecom industry are largely inept when it comes to prepping us for a well-connected future...

"The decay started in 2004 when -- maybe out of gullibility, maybe out of naivety, maybe out of calculation -- then-chairman of the FCC, Michael Powell, now the head of cable association -- was persuaded that the telcos would battle it out with the cable companies, that their cable modem services would battle it out with wireless, and all of that competition would do a much better job than any regulatory structure could at ensuring that every American had a cheap and fantastic connection of the internet. That's just turned out that's just not true. Since then, he deregulated the entire sector -- and as a result, we got this very stagnant status quo where in most urban areas -- usually the local cable monopoly has a lock in the market and can charge whatever it wants for whatever type of quality services they're providing, leaving a lot of people out."

"Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

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  1. Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

    Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

    The U.S.A. has been a third-world country for quite a while, just ask the other civilized countries.

    1. Re:Third-world country by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what about health care?

      We have health care system that is the envy of most of the world. There is a reason why the kings of the middle east come here and say not the UK or Canada when they need life saving care.

      Yeah, that is exactly his point. State of the art healthcare that only the kings of the Middle East, american oligarchs and the moneyed classes in the US can afford but that will bankrupt the middle class and that the working US classes simply cannot afford. If you think there is no state of the art medicine available elsewhere in the developed world you are full of bovine rectal secretions. Even Cuba has a better and more affordable healthcare system than the US from the common citizen's point of view and so does all of Western Europe.

      Taking care of your poor?

      Abject poverty is at its lowest level in history. Nobody is starving to death in America ANYWHERE.

      That's not what he said. He was referring to the more than 40.0 million Americans live in households that struggle against hunger.

      Having a proper democracy?

      Yes voter id laws would help a lot.

      Voter ID to do what? Give the GOP the opportunity to make voter ID's much more easily available in heavily Republican districts and nearly unobtainable in Democrat districts in a portfolio of measures intended to 'adjust' democracy to make sure the GOP wins elections despite a majority of the electorate voting for something else? Let's not forget that the most outrageous case of electoral fraud in the 2018 midterms was perpetrated by the GOP, not the Democrats, not the 'Socialists', not tons of 'liberals' bussed in by George Soros from neighbouring states, not millions of illegal immigrants, not the shadowy forces of the Deep state, it was perpetrated by the GOP.

    2. Re:Third-world country by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

      It does not stop there: The implementation of the PIN code on Credit and Debit cards that was available in the rest of the world was done badly and late. The banking system is a laughing matter. Using checks is still a thing. Privacy laws only protect the companies. Affordable eductation.

      When I visited the US the first time, 2 years ago, it reminded me of traveling back to the 80ies. It seriously felt as if nothing changed after that. I thought it was cute and quaint.

      Everything pointed to the fact that it was done for the companies and the business and nothing for the people by the people.

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    3. Re:Third-world country by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

      Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

      The U.S.A. has been a third-world country for quite a while, just ask the other civilized countries.

      The rest of the world looks at the USA and wonders how they put up with it the same way the USA looks at North Korea and wonders how they put up with it.

      Simple answer: "Ignorance is bliss".

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    4. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    5. Re:Third-world country by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spin up your fantasies, guy.

      Let's not forget that the most outrageous case of electoral fraud in the 2018 midterms was perpetrated by the GOP,

      How can we remember something that is your frothy fantasy? You need to cite, not just assert.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Republica...

    6. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Money can buy anything. However, those that aren't as rich as Sir Mick will just have to suffer. Ain't 'merka great?

    7. Re:Third-world country by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the Ultra-Rich America has the best healthcare money can buy. For everyone else it's a third world nightmare.

    8. Re:Third-world country by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I really dont understand opposition to voter id. We have to provide ID to open a bank account, get a drivers license, travel on public transportation, and even load cash on prepaid credit cards in some venues. As long as the ID system is universal and taxpayer funded, I don’t see a problem. Voting in more than one district or voting as someone else is just as much fraud as any other form of identity theft. The power of the vote is just as big of a deal as the power to buy a pistol. Nobody would dare suggest requiring ID to buy a firearm was a deliberate ploy to ensure impoverished from self defense. We expect people to show ID to buy various goods. I have to produce ID to buy damn 1 box of sudafed for gods sake. At this point opposing an ID system to vote makes it look like someone knows something shady keeps going on. How do you know mega corporations arent stacking the deck to continue to screw us, the people, over if there is no cross reference? Thats just as likely as illegals voting for some form of socialism.

    9. Re:Third-world country by andydread · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow you're telling me Fox News and Conservative propaganda talk radio haven't informed you of the MASSIVE GOP election fraud campaign in North Carolina? lemme guess they blamed it on George Soros and the "deep state" lol. Do yourself a honest favor. look here

    10. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is ridiculous - you can get paid medical services in the UK or any European country. Just because state covers medical expenses doesn't mean you are not allowed to pay more to get private health care without it being covered (if you want to have an appointment immediately and so on).

      Besides, the quality of a health system is not measured by the few services that the top 1% of the population purchased.

      It is measured by the quality of the health services provided to the other 99%.

      So yeah, the US ranks pretty bad compared to it's overall status as the most industrialized country in the world. You know there is a problem when your economy ranks #2 but your health care is ranked #39.

    11. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems that you are missing the point. It's not opposition to voter ID per se, but caution against the combination of voter Id being required and then denied to segments of the population. Before you can require voter ID it is absolutely necessary that you can guarantee it to absolutely every citizen.

      Most countries can do this.You don't need a special voter ID though - typically a country gives every citizen an ID number when born or naturalised. Since you already have an ID you don't need a new special one just for voting.

    12. Re:Third-world country by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I really dont understand opposition to voter id. We have to provide ID to open a bank account, get a drivers license, travel on public transportation, and even load cash on prepaid credit cards in some venues. As long as the ID system is universal and taxpayer funded, I don’t see a problem.

      Many places that try to enact Voter ID laws also enact rules at the same time that limit when you can get to IDs, such as reducing the number of locations and having them only open Mon-Fri from 9-3 with Wed only open until 1. Oh, and 1 hour each day where the entire office is closed for lunch. It directly limits the ability of the working poor or elderly/disabled to access IDs, either because they can't physically get to the offices, or because they cannot afford to do so because they are paid hourly and have no time off. If a locality wants to implement Voter ID they should be allowed to, with a caveat that the government MUST provide, free of charge, an ID to all residents. That means going door to door if they have to, every house and every apartment.

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    13. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Yes voter id laws would help a lot." is unadulterated troll bait.

    14. Re:Third-world country by FictionPimp · · Score: 5, Informative

      Then those IDs need to be free and shouldn't require you to drive a long distance to get to them. In many parts of the country the local branches to get a ID or license have been closed.

      "According to the Texas driver’s license handbook, the closest driver’s license office to Terlingua is in Alpine. According to Google Maps, that is 83.4 miles one way, or about 167 miles round trip. "

      While this is a extreme situation, it still disenfranchises US citizens who have a right to vote. Driving is a privilege so I have no problem with a barrier to entry for a driver license, but voting is a right, there should be little to no barrier of entry beyond being a citizen. This is a difficult problem, but one even my home town is effected by. The last place in the south side of my town to get a ID was closed. Most people on that south side are too poor to drive and now have to travel to another town to get a state ID. Its a 30 minute car ride, or a 30 minute bus ride and a 15 minute walk. That doesn't seem like much, but the offices close around the time these people get off work and they are typically too poor to have nice things like PTO to waste on getting a ID.

    15. Re:Third-world country by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      You will get emergency treatment immediately in all of these countries, you will have to wait for non urgent treatment if you want that treatment for free, you have the option to pay if you want treatment sooner.

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    16. Re:Third-world country by satsuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Opening a bank account, obtaining a license and using public transportation are not constitutionally enumerated rights.

      The constitution is very very sparse on the specifics of many different things .. but unencumbered access to the ballot box _is_

    17. Re:Third-world country by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      Hey, I have very good insurance through my job which is the envy of most other workers. And I live in a college town with a medical school, so we pump out doctors every year.

      The last time I switched providers I asked for a routine physical, and they told me they were scheduling 9 months out at that point. But in 2 months they could get me in on a Tuesday afternoon for a 15 minute "establish care" visit, where they'd review my medical history and take my vitals. At that point they'd be willing to call me a patient and let me come in if I was sick. But not before.

      That's my honest-to-god very good health insurance, which is fairly expensive.

      I'm glad I'm healthy and don't have to rely on it very often.

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    18. Re:Third-world country by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Thankfully in the US if you need care, you can get it - guaranteed. Broken arm? Go to the emergency room and get it set. Canada? Get sent home for the weekend to come back in on Monday during normal office hours.

      Eh, in college I walked around on a broken foot for 3 days. Broke it during a football scrimmage on Saturday, it didn't get diagnosed as broken until the morning of the following Tuesday. A broken arm is nothing, at least you can avoid using it. And after a visit to the ER for a kidney stone cost me 2k out of pocket (out of a total billing of 10K for less than 3 hours in the ER), I'd rather wait the 3 days to have the broken arm set for free.

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    19. Re:Third-world country by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And here I am, living in Communist Belgium, where I am forced to walk around with an ID (even though I was never asked to show it. Why am I paying the police if they can not even do that?) and when I need one or need a renewal, I just make an apointment online for thursday evening, walk in and walk out after 15 minutes. The repeat it after a month to pick it up. That goes even faster.

      And voting is is an obligation, not a privelage, so every Belgian MUSTR vote when there are elections. They are held on Sunday. Not voting can cause a fine (or nothing, depending on the city and how the judge feels)

      The Communist Governement even made it so that EVERYBODY can read the information on the card, as it is a card with a chip. They even open sourced it.
      Price is 18 EUR (0 EUR for your first one when you are 12) and are valid 5 years.

      And Belgiumis not the only country where you must have an ID. It is not even the only country where voting is a must.

      This ID will be used to verify that you voted once. You will be on the list and been told where you have to vote. You show up, they ID you, you vote. That's it.

      They could increase the yearly city tax with 4.00 EUR per person and get to the same result.

      It is crazy that many countries in the world have already solved the things the US seem to struggle with.

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    20. Re:Third-world country by Rhipf · · Score: 2

      Hate to tell you but the video you linked is total BS. Sure clinics are closed on the weekend. Guess what, the clinics in the US are also closed on the weekend (I'm sure there are some in each country that may be open on the weekend though). You will also notice that they went to the emergency room and clearly stated that their problem was "not super urgent". Basic triage dictates that non-serious problems get put at the back of the pack (this would also be the case in any US emergency room). At that point in the video the guy asked if he could have a glove so that he could put it on his head and act like a rooster. I stopped watching some ass try and cherry pick situations to show how bad the Canadian system is.

    21. Re:Third-world country by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Terlingua is in the middle of nowhere in ridiculously massive state with a whole lot of nowhere. It is a literal ghost town attraction with a population of 58 people who operate it and a lodge a tourist attraction.

      So, you're OK taking away peoples' voting rights, as long as it's just a few people?

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    22. Re:Third-world country by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Actually, no it's not. Cuban doctors are recognized around the world as some of the best, and are in high demand especially in emergency relief situations where available resources are scarce.

      People aren't fleeing Cuba because of the quality of the health care, they're fleeing because of the political climate and lack of economic mobility. High quality affordable health care is one of the few things Cuba really excels at.

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    23. Re:Third-world country by Shaitan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I didn't post evidence because it was to FB friends in my community warning about mailers and the assorted mailers all clearly stated they were from the "Center for Voter Information"

      But you are welcome to just do this:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=q="center+for+voter+information"+absentee+ballots
      https://www.google.com/search?q="center+for+voter+information"

      And yes, the lion share of their funding does come George Soros as it turns out.

      "The Center for Voter Information is an organization that works to provide even-handed and unbiased information about candidates and their positions on issues."

      ROFL https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90009317&cycle=2018

    24. Re:Third-world country by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't cater to everyone. At some point the cost benefit ratio isn't there. I'm not willing to make 300 million people suffer and doubt the veracity of their elections for the benefit of 53 not having to drive a little further. At some point people are choosing to be hermits in an isolated and remote part of the country.

      I don't recall the part of the Constitution that says rights are guaranteed depending on a "cost benefit ratio".

      When you find it, can we start looking at 1st and 2nd Amendment rights in terms of "cost-benefit ratio"?

      Additionally, in Texas you are required to have ID on you by law if you are over 18

      I've lived in Texas. Do you know it's illegal in Texas to take more than three sips of beer while standing? That you have to get a five-dollar permit before you can go barefoot? Did you know that the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas by state law? My point is, fuck Texas. We really shouldn't use Texas laws as anything like an example for the rest of the country.

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    25. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless the Constitution says, specifically, "citizen" when enumerating a right, it applies to anybody lawfully in the country.

    26. Re:Third-world country by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Yes, though it's worth mentioning that none of the things on your first list are particularly relevant to the poor.

      Again, the point is not that there's an inherent problem with voter ID laws. The problem is that the motive behind voter ID laws is almost always to disenfranchise citizens likely to vote for the opposition.

      So long as the real motive behind voter ID laws is to disenfranchize voters, it doesn't matter how many easy solutions there are to avoid it - the laws will be crafted to make sure it happens.

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    27. Re:Third-world country by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      You answered you own question. The opposition to voter ID is because it is not:

      As long as the ID system is universal and taxpayer funded

      My state has a "free" voter ID. To get it, I need a certified copy of my birth certificate. That costs $50. It is possible to get one for free if I go to the county where I was born and pick one up in-person. But since that's on the other side of the country, it would cost a teeny bit more than $50.

      I also need to confirm my address with information like a lease or utility bill. Which is a bit of a problem if I'm living with someone else, because they're the ones on the lease and the utilities are in their name.

      When I attempted to get a driver's license when I moved to NY shortly after they started doing RealIDs, it took 9 attempts at the DMV before the clerk would accept the documentation. The reasons for objecting to a document changed each time, and documents that were acceptable on one visit were not acceptable on the next. These trips required me to go to the DMV during working hours. If I was not in a job where I could say "I'm running down to the DMV again", this would be a big problem.

      Also, that local DMV office? Not located near public transportation either. Since I happened to have my own car, I could do those 9 trips easily. But bumming a ride 9 times would probably be difficult.

      All these turn "voter ID', even if the ID itself is free, into a poll tax. Which is not Constitutional. And it's not Constitutional for the same reason poll taxes were originally struck down: The actual effect of voter ID laws is to disenfranchise poor people.

      Btw, NY has a bit on the DMV form where you can register to vote while getting your driver's license. On the first 8 attempts, I checked that box. On attempt #9, I didn't, because I had registered elsewhere by that point. Could be coincidence, could be that I wasn't registering for the dominant political party in the area.

      Also, Voter ID "solves" a problem that does not exist. In-person voter fraud happens only a tiny handful of times (2016 election had about 9 cases).

      How do you know mega corporations arent stacking the deck to continue to screw us, the people, over if there is no cross reference?

      Because mega corporations can not reliably choose the ~1M+ people who are not going to show up at the polls with perfect accuracy. Which means someone is going to show up to vote when someone else already voted in their name and raise a fuss. Also, they'd have to hire hundreds of thousands of fake voters, and at least one of them would talk. Over here in NC, our recent election fraud was uncovered when one of three employees talked. You think one of hundreds of thousands in the same conspiracy isn't going to blab about making a quick buck on election day?

      If the mega corporations were going to fix the election, they'd do it by having the mega corporation that builds the voting machines/tabulators commit election fraud.

    28. Re:Third-world country by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Well I didn't post evidence because it was to FB friends in my community warning about mailers and the assorted mailers all clearly stated they were from the "Center for Voter Information"

      But you are welcome to just do this

      The only problem is that nothing in the searches you suggest imply anything about illegal activity. It was a get out the vote effort. They weren't actually stealing ballots and changing them like the NC Republicans were.

      Give it up, dude. Pointing to George Soros and suggesting some vague illegality is not going to deflect actual illegal behavior by Republicans. The days when that shit works have passed.

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    29. Re:Third-world country by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      The state will go to any length to be sure that the citizens there pay their taxes, so they should also go to any length to make sure that they are able to vote.

    30. Re:Third-world country by houghi · · Score: 2

      So, how are you guys able to get this done in Belgium.

      The moment you get into Belgium, either by birth or by train, you will get a National ID number. (Not if you are a tourist)

      The number is birthdate in reverse, a three digit number where the first number is 001, the second one registerd for that britday is 002 and so on. And then a control number that also tells the gender male of female.

      So if you are not a tourist and you have no National number, you will be illegal.

      When you are norn in Belgium, you will have a birth ceryifcate. Till the age of 12 you will be on the ID of your parents. After that you will get your own ID.

      If you loose your ID, you can phone in a free number to say so. That way if somebody who steals it tries to use it, it will not be usable. Companies will use the ID and can check for free if the card is valid.

      And sure, rasicm is something that exists. It is a normal human behaviours of the us against them, no matter who them or us is. And yes, it is tracked. The color of the skin is irrelevant to the fact that they are racists or not.

      To use race as a partisan crutch to influence people is al lot harder if you have a multy party system.

      And that tracking down of people who did not vote is basically sending them a fine they are able to pay via their bank account or protest. That is if it is send at all. There are cities who do not bother.

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  2. Re:No, government is. by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ^^^THIS^^^ The broadband situation in America is a story about government intervention completely breaking the marketplace not a failure of the market place. We really need to be passing state laws that prohibit the creation and renewal of such agreements by local municipalities. That is how you fix this situation.

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  3. Re:No, government is. by Average · · Score: 5, Informative

    Municipal monopoly agreements DO NOT EXIST in the United States. Period. They have been banned, at the Federal level, since the Telecommunications Act of 1996. True story.

    What you have is an example of first mover effect and natural monopolies. But Libertarians hate to admit to those, as they are natural market failure mechanisms, and they don't like to admit that the market can have inherent failure modes.

  4. Re:5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are huge limitation of using a broadcast medium (wireless) vs a point-to-point medium such as fiber. With all advances in wireless technology (such as MIMO or beam forming) - you will never get the same quality that you can achieve with fiber connection. Now imagine all homes using that same 5G technology in addition to mobiles - it will create additional overhead to an already congested spectrum. It is more efficient to dedicate 5G to devices that really need it - cars, public transport services, smartphones and so on, while connecting homes through fiber.

  5. Its all about content by jonwil · · Score: 2

    Its got nothing to do with exactly what technology is being used to provide internet service and everything to do with making sure any new players who want to come in and compete with the big boys don't get that chance. And it all comes down to content.

    All of these big ISPs know that if these new players come in, they will not only take away the revenue from the internet side of things but they will take away the far more lucrative TV revenue. Even more so for those ISPs like Comcast or AT&T who actually own content producers and channels rather than just cable platforms.

  6. Portugal case-study again... by cloud.pt · · Score: 4, Informative

    This reminds me of a ruling by ANACOM (Portugal's FCC) where the subsidised Fiber, granted installation and exploitation rights to a single one of our ISPs, which should be providing infrastructure to people that paid for it in secluded areas, is only ever made residentially, commercially available by that ISP when there is no alternative whatsoever. And guess what ANACOM accepts as an alternative: 2-8Mbps WIRELESS 3/4G or COPPER DSL!

    There are thousands of villages in Portugal that have multi-Gbps Fiber installed but also have a faint, miserable 3 or 4G connection and/or copper, where Wireless and Copper fail to reach even the tens of Mbps and are always unstable. Yet since both Wireless and Copper have the POTENTIAL of reaching those numbers (even though they never ever do), the ISP is allowed to NEGATE access to the state-sponsored network, and only sell residential copper and wireless, because those services simply bring in more revenue (Copper: requires a phone fee that adds up to 50% cost; Wireless: is much more expensive and has data caps)!!!

    This mostly happens because that infrastructure is also exclusive to the ISP in such a way that they don't even have to re-sell the Fiber to competitors, because in rural areas ANACOM exempts competition rules that would force the ISP to re-sell the Fiber!

    This is Big Telecom at its worst. They fed from state funding to expand their networks, then lobbied the state authority to allow them to make use of the state-sponsored infrastructure as they please, even by keeping the villages initially targeted to benefit from the infrastructure in the shadow!

  7. Re:5G by msauve · · Score: 2

    How do you think the data gets from/to those cell sites?

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  8. Re:Liberty is what matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a lie. Most Americansdo not want that.

    75% were opposed the repeal of net neutrality.

    56% support and only 16% oppose the creation of a publicly-owned internet companies to fill coverage gaps in rural, urban, or remote areas.

    And hell, let's throw in some health care statistics too

    70% want healthcare for everyone, even the poor who can't afford it.

    51% are for and only 21% are against the government manufacturing and selling generic drugs (and that included revoking patents granted to pharma companies that make them too expensive for the average person to afford).

    I could go on with similar poll results across every industry... energy, housing, food, utilities... everything.

    Americans do not want freedom at the expense of all else. That is a lie that is continually pushed by the same interests that lobby the government to keep their monopolies in place and put former corporate executives into positions of power where they can undermine all regulation of the companies they worked for.

    The only reason that lie continues is that the wealthy who benefit the most from this bullshit can use their wealthy to force it to be the only story. They hire PR firms to astroturf the story, buy media outlets and control what stories get published, pay off legislators to ensure that regulations always favor the wealthy and take every step they can to ensure that no other story gets heard.

  9. Re: Americans don't travel? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    I travel a fair amount - about 80 days a year out of the country. I've lived (recently) in Belgium and China, and whilst I had more options for high speed Internet, it wasn't really appreciably cheaper than the 100 Mbps cable I get from Spectrum. About $40 in China, Brussels, or Ventura.

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  10. Re:5G by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    5G won't provide fibre speeds to all. It can't, there just isn't enough bandwidth. Say you live in a city in an apartment block and everyone is using 5G for their broadband. Well for a start 5G uses higher frequencies so you will need an external antenna to get anywhere near the theoretical 10Gbps it offers.

    10Gbps between how many users? If it's more than 5 then it's already slower than symmetrical 1/1Gbps cable, and of course the latency is much worse. That 10Gbps is the on-air rate too, not the speed you get after all the protocol overhead and switching time to allow other uses to communicate.

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  11. I build fiber (in my spare time) by jaredmauch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can tell you much of the problem is about how to retrofit existing areas. New builds get fiber, but anything that existed before 2014 or so is a legacy build. I live in an area that was built in the late 90s and there's no hope of getting anything fast out here so I'm doing it myself. The costs are reasonable (about 30-50k/mile) but the majority of the issue is in permitting to go underground. (If you go on poles, it's actually just as expensive as underground in many cases due to annual fees on the poles, engineering studies, tree clearing fees, make-ready, etc.. Plus then you need to own a bucket truck and other expenses).

    The wholesale cost of the bandwidth is nothing, it's all about the cost to put the stuff in the ground and the permit process. Expect 30% of your costs (and 90% of build-time) to be constrained by engineering and permitting costs. The rest of that 30-50k USD/mile cost is the labor and materials needed. You need to put in a place every 2-3 homes you pass to deliver service. There are a lot of people doing this in rural areas to close the gap but most people have only heard of the incumbents so there's a market awareness problem. Many people that are WISPs (see WISPA.org) are now moving into the fiber world, but the capital costs are around 50-250k to get all the equipment you need for underground construction.

    Rough costs if you care: 35c/ft for conduit, 7-10c/ft for fiber (once you get large counts like 96 count, it's closer to 1c/strand/foot) and $100-300 for a pedestal or hand-hole, plus splice trays, etc. $1/foot (linear) * $1/foot (depth) for your route if it's not complicated. Costs go up in urban environments very quickly if you have a lot of requirements or other utilities to dodge.

    1. Re:I build fiber (in my spare time) by friedmud · · Score: 2

      We flipped this around in our town. The voters voted to make the local power utility _own_ the fiber and deploy it. So my fiber runs right along my electrical and comes out of my power meter! I pay $30 a month extra on my utilities to be hooked up... and from there I can choose (from 6) an ISP and one of their packages to go with for bandwidth. Now I have gigabit bidirectional for $70/month!

      My house is a newer build so it was easy to run the fiber through existing conduit. In other areas of the city they're running it on the poles... and it yet other areas of the city where power cables are buried the power company is taking this as an opportune time to upgrade the existing power cabling. They are digging up the old power cables and laying conduit... and fiber as they go.

      It's working well around here (Idaho). There are many small / medium towns doing it this way in southern Idaho and northern Utah.

      The company behind a lot of this is: https://www.utopiafiber.com/

  12. Re:No, government is. by e3m4n · · Score: 2

    Monopolies are not a libertarian topic. Monopolies rarely occur without assistance from congress and any government intervention inherently means its not a libertarian concept. Granting patents on vague language such as verizons alleged patent against vonage is a perfect example. They were allowed to get a patent in 1998 that literally, and I do mean literally, described how DNS works. They then used that patent to win a lawsuit against vonage. It’s a little known secret that the biggest pushers for “red tape”, aka regulation, are companies already established within the industry. By the way, if you read the ninth amendment you will see that the federal government does not have the power to pass laws that supersede a states right. The only thing they can supersede a states right is a constitutional amendment. If a state wants to have these laws they can challenge the federal government on their ninth amendment right.

  13. Stop using NN to hide a lack of service. by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Your only telco in town can't offer 1000/1000 services?
    Ask them for a 1000/100 service.
    When they say no ask them again for 1000/1000 service for the town.
    Plan for community broadband.
    Ask for 1000/1000 around the town again.
    Wait for the NN telco to say no. That wireline is going to stay. That is the NN approved network is the network they have to offer as a monopoly telco.
    Tell the city your granted telco monopoly no longer deserves any monopoly protection as they are doing nothing of value with the monopoly.
    Get community broadband working.
    Connect the community at 1000/1000 when they request that type of connection.

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  14. Re:No. He didn't. He got more votes. by gweihir · · Score: 2

    That is not the point. The point is that a large number of voters voted against their own, stated by them, best interests here and that includes not only those that voted for the, aehm, "stable genius", but also those that voted for Hilary.

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  15. It's because the U.S. was first. by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does not stop there: The implementation of the PIN code on Credit and Debit cards that was available in the rest of the world was done badly and late.

    That wasn't because the U.S. is backwards third-world country (well, the sign instead of PIN part was, but not the slow rollout of chipped cards). The rest of the world got to do it better because the U.S. did credit cards first. So the rest of the world got to see all the problems with magnetic swipe credit cards before implementing their credit card systems. The U.S. by virtue of being the first adopter, has to deal with the additional overhead of replacing a much larger legacy system, instead of just implementing a clean system mostly from scratch. Virtually every merchant in the U.S. already had credit card readers which weren't capable of reading chipped cards, so the transition to chipped cards took a lot longer here than in other countries where merchants hadn't widely adopted credit card readers.

    Same thing happened with digital cell phone service. The U.S. already had an extensive analog cellular network, so was slowest to transition to digital cellular. The cost to implement digital cellular was the same here as in other countries, but the marginal gain was less because the gain in the U.S. was analog to digital cellular, while the gain in other countries was from no cellular to digital cellular. Consequently there was less market pressure to roll out digital cellular, and it progressed more slowly than in other countries. Likewise, the standard electrical socket and plug in the U.S. is the worst-designed, because other countries to got see the problems with the U.S. design and got to implement designs which fixed those problems as their standard, before they rolled out electricity in their countries. (e.g. Ground wire connects first; and live wires are covered before they're connected so you can't accidentally touch wires carrying current.) The U.S. was saddled with the inertia of that initial socket design being standard, and has never managed to overcome it and replace it with a newer, better socket design.

    So these problems aren't because the U.S. is some backwards third-world nation. it's because the U.S. is the world's spearhead - the trailblazer and first adopter. And the first attempt at implementing something is almost never the best way to do it. Other countries get for free the lessons learned from the suffering and pain of trial and error that the U.S. had to go through. Mocking the U.S. for it just means you're an ungrateful prick.

    1. Re:It's because the U.S. was first. by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rest of the world got to do it better because the U.S. did credit cards first. So the rest of the world got to see all the problems with magnetic swipe credit cards before implementing their credit card systems.

      You really need to get out more.

      The US, and the rest of the world, implemented credit cards using imprinting of the front of the card, with a signature. Because credit cards predate the widespread use of computers.
      Once computers were widespread, the US, and the rest of the world, implemented magnetic stripes.
      Once the problems with that became widespread, the rest of the world implemented chips in their cards.
      Once the problems with that became widespread, the rest of the world added PINs to the chips.
      Then the US added chips to their credit cards.

      The rest of the world faced the same problems with upgrading their infrastructure, and they upgraded their infrastructure. We cut taxes instead.

      Same thing happened with digital cell phone service. The U.S. already had an extensive analog cellular network, so was slowest to transition to digital cellular.

      So did Japan, so did most of Europe.

      (e.g. Ground wire connects first; and live wires are covered before they're connected so you can't accidentally touch wires carrying current.)

      It seems odd you have spent such little time around electrical sockets. Guess why the ground pin is longer than the hot and neutral on US plugs. Also, you'll never guess just how far you have to put the plug into the socket before it supplies voltage to the hot terminal.

      So these problems aren't because the U.S. is some backwards third-world nation.

      I have bad news for you. It's because we are now a backwards third-world nation. We haven't been the "trailblazer" in a very, very long time.

    2. Re:It's because the U.S. was first. by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The US has more retail space, and more retailers, both in absolute terms, and on a per-capita basis, than any other country. There were many more POS terminals to replace/upgrade than there were in the EU as individual countries made the switch piece-meal.

      Wrong metrics. You need to compare number of POS terminals to something like GDP or retail sales to measure how affordable the transition was. Because affordability is the metric you're claiming, not total number.

      The US had large-scale cell service deployments several years earlier than any other country

      Japan would like to remind you they exist, and beat the US by 4 years.

      The first US cellular network started in 1983: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The first European cellular network started in 1981, in Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden. It was a 1G network called NMT.
      The first Japanese cellular network started in 1979: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      GSM (a digital, 2G technology) was the first cell phone system deployed in the EU.

      Nope. GSM was developed in part to unify the various 1G systems that were already present in Europe.