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Net Neutrality Bill Sails Through the House But Faces an Uncertain Political Future (washingtonpost.com)

House lawmakers on Wednesday approved a Democrat-backed bill (alternative source) that would restore rules requiring AT&T, Verizon and other Internet providers to treat all Web traffic equally, marking an early step toward reversing one of the most significant deregulatory moves of the Trump era. From a report: But the net neutrality measure is likely to stall from here, given strong Republican opposition in the GOP-controlled Senate and the White House, where aides to President Trump this week recommended that he veto the legislation if it ever reaches his desk. The House's proposal, which passed by a vote of 232-190, would reinstate federal regulations that had banned AT&T, Verizon and other broadband providers from blocking or slowing down customers' access to websites. Adopted in 2015 during the Obama administration, these net neutrality protections had the backing of tech giants and startups as well as consumer advocacy groups, which together argued that strong federal open Internet protections were necessary to preserve competition and allow consumers unfettered access to movies, music and other content of their choice.

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  1. Voting matters! by Ksevio · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all the people that say both parties are the same, here's a clear difference in policy.

    Unless you're against Net Neutrality, don't vote for the GOP next cycle

    1. Re:Voting matters! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because political parties are one-issue beasts, right?

      How about we vote for candidates that are the best policy match for our individual views, without any predisposition to any party at all?

      A "omg don't vote Republican" is not any more nuanced or informed than "I'll just vote the party ticket"

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    2. Re:Voting matters! by flippy · · Score: 2

      "post-birth abortions"? that's a new one on me.

    3. Re:Voting matters! by bryanbrunton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only thing that seems to unite Republicans is their support for the sexist, racist, moronic imbecile who is a lousy excuse for a President.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

    4. Re:Voting matters! by ilsaloving · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that it isn't about a single issue. It's about a pattern.

      Democrats could push a bill that says, "Every conservative will get a free million dollars paid for by the left" and it would still get blocked, for no other reason than because it was Democrats that pushed it. Republicans have a *demonstrated* track record of doing this exact thing.

      Hell, they had a good two year period where they controlled ALL the major branches of government. And what did they do? They spent the overwhelming majority of time reversing anything and anything the Democrats so much as glanced at, no matter how sensible. Oh, and trying to blame Hillary for everything up to and including running a child prostitution ring out of a pizzeria. I have no idea if they've managed to accomplish anything useful because if they did, it was drowned out by near limitless barrage of nonsense.

      The Democrats are not perfect. Very far from it, in fact. But they are the epitome of sanity compared to the GOP.

    5. Re:Voting matters! by flippy · · Score: 3, Informative

      First of all, the link you provided is an opinion piece. I checked that when I read "There is no medical justification for any abortion, period" in the text of the piece.

      At no point in the piece you linked to does it describe anything like "they birth the baby as normal and then jam a spike through its brain to kill it".

      For the record, I'm both pro-life and pro-choice. I believe that in most cases, abortion is morally wrong, but I also don't believe it's my place to tell other people what to do when it comes to doing something that has been deemed legal.

    6. Re:Voting matters! by microbox · · Score: 2

      How is this marked "Troll"? Some partisan comes along, doesn't like it, and doesn't want to think about it. There ARE differences between the parties. The Dems DO support net neutrality, and the GOP stands against it.

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    7. Re:Voting matters! by microbox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's state-endorsed murder if, and only if, you presuppose that a fetus is a person. The majority of pro-choice people want to see less abortion... if only we could all work together to reduce abortion. The reason why it's called "pro-choice" is that it's an individual choice, even if you want a person to choose life. People believe that because they believe it reduces harm overall. According to this theory, you reduce abortion by removing the reasons for why someone would pursue an abortion. There is some evidence that this actually works.

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    8. Re:Voting matters! by lactose99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Abortion isn't murder.

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    9. Re:Voting matters! by hdyoung · · Score: 2

      Yup. Political attitudes have changed and there's very little idealogical consistency any more. If the dems propose it, Republicans and conservatives will fight it to the death, and vice versa for the most part.

      Nothing exemplifies this more than Obamacare. Obamacare is an attempt to use the power of free markets and capitalism to solve a social problem. It's the sort of idea that Republicans and conservatives would have been salivating over 20 years ago. But now? Put in place by a dem president, and a brown-skinned one at that? Clearly a herald of the coming of the antichrist.

    10. Re:Voting matters! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Doesn't understand chicken-and-egg conundrum
      Except you're completely ignoring the fact that we have an ostensibly 'conservative' political party and an ostensibly 'liberal' political party because the majority of humans naturally form into one group or another. You probably believe you're somehow immune to that but I'll bet you cash money if we did a deep-dive on your voting record and opinions posted online we'd find that you fall more to one side of the line than the other. No such thing as 'true neutral'.
      Also speaking as someone who for literally decades refused to ally myself to any political party, you're not doing yourself or the Country any favors by doing that, it just waters down the electoral process by taking votes away from candidates and issues that actually have a chance of winning. The Trump Administration forced my hand on that (Democrat, now). The Democratic party may not do everything I want them to do, but I'd rather take their harm over what Republicans want to do to this country. So do yourself a favor and get off the fence.

    11. Re:Voting matters! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Informative

      " 'free and on-demand' full-term and post-birth 'abortions' the democrats are pushing.."
      YOU HAVE TO GO BACK: https://boards.4chan.org/pol
      Tired of seeing you White Nationalist/Republican/Stormfront/Infowars trolls shitting up everything everywhere. Go back to your containment unit and stay there, damnit.

    12. Re:Voting matters! by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Can you name some issues where the Republican position is better than the Democratic one? Preferably something technology/science related?

    13. Re:Voting matters! by Ksevio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because /. has a large population of super-right-wing trolls that like to steer the conversation in a way that favors Republicans or Russia. You can usually tell based on their name: Anonymous Coward

    14. Re:Voting matters! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh wait, there's about a bazillion others, and the Democrats are on the wrong side of most of them.

      Like what? Interesting that you didn't bother to mention any of them...

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    15. Re:Voting matters! by fafalone · · Score: 2

      So some of my impression on the NY law may not be accurate upon further research. I couldn't find a clear answer. Obviously all the right wing sites swear up and down that's the case, but the left/fact checking sites are highly ambiguous on that particular point, and the strongest reference I could find quoted as saying they "wouldn't" generally do that (as opposed to "couldn't" or "always wouldn't"). So if someone finds something concrete, feel free to point it out. And another point, there's absolutely no solid information to be found at all about the specifics and what is and is not a valid late-term justification (i.e. requiring a health reason but not discussing if that includes mental health and how it plays out on the ground). I'm getting highly suspicious neither side is painting a truthful picture. Well the right never does that anyway, but usually this falls into the 5% of the time where the left does. Not after trying to sort out that NY law.

    16. Re:Voting matters! by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

      Well, I can say with some certainty that you can't really call yourself the party of science when there's nothing but knee-jerk reactions from the left when it comes to nuclear energy or GMO foods, and there are a whole lot of the anti-vaccination crowd that self-identify with the left.

      You seem to be confusing the left's supporters in the voting public with the politicians who actually make policy. About the only thing you got right is yes, the left generally opposes nuclear power. Not so much because they fear something they don't understand, but because when things go wrong with nuclear, they can go very wrong, and fuck up the environment pretty badly in the process.

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  2. Re:internet still works for me by Drethon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My internet is still working for me for what I reasonably expect from my ISP for the price I am paying. If my ISP starts fiddling with my connection I'll pick another ISP.
    Remember buying internet access is a voluntary transaction between two parties if you don't like the service pick someone else.

    Yeah, I'll make sure to switch from my one cable provider to my one cable provider if they start acting up.

  3. Re:Useless political Grandstanding by flippy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yup. Unfortunately, it's not an issue that's going to change anyone's vote. I'm all for an open market and less government regulation, but if we're going down that road with ISPs, we should go all the way - stop giving out government-sponsored monopolies to cable companies (read: ISPs) and the like, and have real competition. Then, the cry of "if your ISP isn't giving you what you want, switch to another provider!" can really happen.

  4. Power is concentrated in the hands of too few by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mitch McConnell should not have the authority to deny a vote on a bill passed by the House. Nancy Pelosi should not have the authority to block a bill passed by the Senate.

    We need a rule that forces a vote on any bill passed by the other body after a suitable period of time for debate. We as voters have a right to know where our elected officials stand, otherwise the people lose control to wealthy donors.

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    1. Re:Power is concentrated in the hands of too few by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      These rules have always been there, and yet the Republic survives. There are plenty of ways for getting these votes "on the record" from attaching them as riders on must-pass legislation, etc.

      The reality is that only the activists for certain issues pay attention to any of that, and NN is not a deciding issue for the vast majority of voters the way that something like abortion is, even though your average congress critter has zero ability to do anything about abortion due to supreme court decisions.

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  5. Re:Centralized political solution to Decentralizat by flippy · · Score: 2

    Actually, it's even worse than that; these Internet monopolies have their foundation in government-granted monopoly rights, and thus you want government to save society from government.

    Well, yes. IF you're going to give out government-granted monopoly rights (which IS what has and is happening), then ALSO ensure government-enforced neutrality.

    Otherwise, get government COMPLETELY out of the business and don't give out the monopolies in the first place.

  6. No, not "uncertain"...quite certain, actually. by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Political grandstanding by one party in congress, controlling one house, will not pass the other party, controlling the other house, nor the presidency (who has to sign it).

    Thank God for divided government.

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  7. Re:internet still works for me by flippy · · Score: 2

    Yup, you can always move from one place where the local gov't gave out a monopoly to another place where the local gov't gave out a monopoly. This behavior is endemic and widespread. You'll just move from one monopoly to another.

  8. Re:You're a lazy whiner by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

    Really.

    So in order to get around a bad-faith company abusing their market position, I should conduct a multi-hundred-thousand dollar transaction to sell my house, pack up all my earthly belongings at financial and time expense, and move to where another company may or may not be abusing their monopoly position already?

    There is a non-zero probability that you are a massive idiot.

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  9. Republican talking points by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Without even trying c-span channel surfing yesterday I found republicans explaining their opposition in the form of bashing Title II.

    Democrats could have avoided this problem. They could have defined clean NN. If republicans still wanted to attack clean NN at least their excuses for doing so would be more transparent and less defensible to voters.

  10. Re:(0) You're whining about HD porn.(1) You're myo by flippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Way to respond without actually giving an example of how it could be done with the current infrastructure.

  11. Re:Centralized political solution to Decentralizat by Shotgun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The opposite should happen. The government is only able to grant the monopolies through their power of eminent domain. To me, that is the doctrine that says the public's need is so overwhelming that we're going to use the force of government to seize someone's property.

    Well, if it is so important to the common good that the use of force is justified, then the resource should not leave the public's control. Just like the roads, the communication and power infrastructure should be taken over by the government. ISPs and power generation should remain private businesses. The government should create rules to control how the resources are accessed and used, just like the roads. It should have always been this way.

    Ever notice how the worst parts of our system are the result of poor decisions early on?

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  12. Re:Centralized political solution to Decentralizat by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

    Otherwise, get government COMPLETELY out of the business and don't give out the monopolies in the first place.

    "In the first place" was many decades ago. You can't stop what already happened. However, you can stop it from happening again -- and more than two decades ago federal law stopped anyone from handing out a cable communications exclusive franchise to anyone. That's about ten years more than any existing franchise was good for, so for more than the last decade there have been and are no cable exclusive franchises anywhere in the US.

    But cable isn't the only Internet service method, and no ISP has every been granted a monopoly anywhere in the US. Ever.

  13. Re:Centralized political solution to Decentralizat by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

    For many people cable really is the only viable Internet service method. DSL bandwidth isn't adequate unless you live very close to the DSLAM, and wireless is way too expensive.

    Because building out a cable network is massively expensive as well as a bureaucratic nightmare, it basically means that incumbent operators are de facto monopolies, even without the monopoly contract.

    Remember when Google was trying to throw billions of dollars around making city-wide fiber networks, and then gave up? Yeah, if they can't get it done, what chance does some small-time operation with orders of magnitude less capital and political might?

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  14. Re:Centralized political solution to Decentralizat by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Cable service is a natural monopoly. The first company to enter a market has to pay (Or get the taxpayer to pay) the vast costs of infrastructure - digging up roads to lay cable, buying rights to install distribution cabinets, the expensive stuff. Once done, they can charge whatever they want, for there is no alternative for the customers. For a second to enter, they would have to pay just as much - to gain access to a contested market, where all the potential customers are already signed up with an incumbent. Not worth the expense.