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Magnetic Field Reversals Unlikely To Be a Problem For Life, Says Astronomer (arxiv.org)

RockDoctor writes: A common trope in "the world is going to end, maybe tomorrow" alarmism is the prospect of the earth undergoing one of its frequent (but aperiodic) magnetic field reversals. Popular conceptions have migrating birds falling out of the sky, satellites and GPS systems no longer working, and much other such silliness. Of course, geologists point out that it has literally all happened before, that there is no significant association of extinction with reversals, and that what evidence there is points to a reversal taking a number of centuries to millennia to achieve. And then the next story comes out and the same old "sky is falling" garbage comes out again.

Just for a change, an astronomer has thrown in his few cents worth. In a letter to The Astrophysical Journal (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source), Manasvi Lingam of Harvard University looks at the implications of a magnetic reversal, or of the "switching on" of the Earth's "dynamo" on the flux of radiation experienced by an organism living near the surface. Lingam deduces that during a reversal (or before the dynamo started) "neither the biological radiation dose rates [...] would vary by more than a factor of 2." Behind the "..." is a prospect which will appeal to those looking for ways to die, as "the atmospheric escape rate" is also somewhat affected by the strength of the magnetic field. As a theoretical astronomer, Lingam agrees with the geological record (yay!) that field reversals are unlikely to have major effects on life, or on the atmosphere, or really, on anything other than astronomers' and geophysicists' gauges and dials. None of this will even slightly slow down the overblown hysteria that accompanies the next twitch of the magnetic field.

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  1. Makes no sense by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was taught by slashdot commenters that scientists always like to create alarm and panic in order to raise taxes. What happened here ?

    1. Re:Makes no sense by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      When you say 'slashdot commenters' that's just code for 'religious nutjobs', right? They're the ones who are trying to convince everyone that all science is of The Devil and therefore should be rejected. Except science that benefits them, of course, that's perfectly okay. Science they don't understand or don't agree with is Satanic and intended to tempt the Faithful to stray from the True Path; things like human-caused climate change, or that the Earth is older than 6000 years.

    2. Re:Makes no sense by shess · · Score: 2

      I was taught by slashdot commenters that scientists always like to create alarm and panic in order to raise taxes. What happened here ?

      It's a trick. The reversal actually will have severe consequences to our civilization, requiring a single world government response.

  2. How long before the first... by sheramil · · Score: 2

    ... hiker who gets lost and starves to death because of a compass that isn't pointing north any more?

    ... where will it be pointing? will there be a mass recall of compasses?

    1. Re:How long before the first... by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      How did humans find their way around before compasses were invented?

      I've hiked and backpacked all my life, and even been a bit unsure of where I was for a few minutes, but I've never been lost and never had to rely on a compass.

    2. Re:How long before the first... by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Funny

      How did humans find their way around before compasses were invented?

      Using GPS obviously.

    3. Re:How long before the first... by oobayly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have had to use a compass, in the Lake District, in the snow, on my own. Not the cleverest thing to do. There were five paths going away from a cairn so I too a compass bearing from the map. Unfortunately 72 deg leaves a lot of ambiguity and I ended up walking into the wrong corrie (cirque) as tarns can look very similar in the snow. It was only when I got half way down that I realised that "those peaks shouldn't be visible from here".

    4. Re:How long before the first... by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      He could use a watch instead: https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an...

    5. Re: How long before the first... by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Don't even need to know if it's before or after noon.

      Put a stick in the ground, mark the tip of its shadow. Wait ten minutes. Mark the new tip of it's shadow. The direction from the original mark to the new mark is east.

      Boy Scout Handbook strikes gain!

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    6. Re:How long before the first... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      There were five paths going away from a cairn

      Sounds sufficiently low-rez enough to be interesting; what's the telnet address??

    7. Re:How long before the first... by RockDoctor · · Score: 2

      will there be a mass recall of compasses?

      No. The compasses will still be working as well as ever. They'll be indicating the direction of the local magnetic field (with a side serving of indicating the field strength by the speed of settling in a direction). The N and S indicated on the needle (by colour, writing or whatever) refer to the magnetic field.

      If a user erroneously believes that the needle points towards the Earth's rotation axis, well that is the user's problem. At worst, manuals will be more carefully written, but since I haven't needed to buy a compass since the early 1980s, I don't know what current practice in that is. (Incidentally, my 1981 compass, a birthday present, has an adjustment screw for setting the variation between local magnetic field and the grid on the map in use. That adjustment can go from zero to 90 degrees. The scale doubles for the clinometer measurement.)

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    8. Re:How long before the first... by trooper9 · · Score: 2

      There were five paths going away from a cairn...

      They are all alike. A wight eyes you and sings in an ancient language, possibly about lunch.

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      blah
  3. Iron in the core. Plus rotating liquid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All stars end up as iron, as it's the lowest energy state that can neither be fused nor fissioned.
    A star usually fuses its elements in a chain, and a fraction always ends up as iron, by the time it explodes.
    Our sun is not the first generation.
    So the cloud it formed in, also contained some iron.
    And from that cloud came our planet.
    That alone would not be enough.
    The key factor is, that it is liquid. Allowind the poles of the iron atoms (and everything else) to line up, at least regionally.
    Add spinning, forces from other large bodies and varying levels of liquidity, and you get quite a bit of sloshing stirring chaos in there.
    The pole emerges form most polar material lining up.
    But of course it isn't precise, and changes all the time in that big mess of poles and smaller poles and arcs and twisting.

    And once in a while, the main pole gets so disturbed, that it splits. Then you have multiple smaller poles, and a useless compass.
    It takes some time to align into something we and the birds consider useful again.

  4. Re:Here we go again by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am becoming very concerned about how the reversal will affect my magnetic personality. Will I still attract people or will my personality change such that I make them run the other way?

  5. Re:Here we go again by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously, your personality will flip also. Your nice side will act like a dick now. Your evil side will be confused. Science, man.

  6. Unlikely ... by houghi · · Score: 2

    ... is often followed by "Hold my beer."

    I personal;y have a very simple risk analysis method. It is 50%. Either is happens, or it doesn't.

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  7. Only large stars make iron by sjbe · · Score: 2

    All stars end up as iron

    Not true. Only stars above a certain mass (much larger than our Sun) get to the point where they can fuse larger elements up to iron. Iron comes from supernova explosions and small stars never do that.

    as it's the lowest energy state that can neither be fused nor fissioned.

    Again not true. Iron can be fused but the reaction loses energy in the process causing the temperature of the star to drop. In large stars this thermal pressure is what is keeping the star from collapsing and/or exploding. Stars that get to the point of trying to fuse iron will rapidly end of life, often violently. You can fuse and fission iron but not in a way that is a net energy gain.

    A star usually fuses its elements in a chain, and a fraction always ends up as iron, by the time it explodes.

    Stars have to be much larger than our sun to explode via the chain you describe. You have the basics process more or less right but it doesn't apply to all stars. Small stars have much different end of life processes.

  8. Why even bother... by geekmux · · Score: 2

    "None of this will even slightly slow down the overblown hysteria that accompanies the next twitch of the magnetic field."

    "And then the next story comes out and the same old "sky is falling" garbage comes out again."

    When every scientific effort documented in TFS is punctuated by this bullshit, it really makes me wonder why scientists even expended the effort to do a study in the first place.

    In the face of mass ignorance and stupidity, trying to educate people seems so damn futile.

  9. Re:Here we go again by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obviously, your personality will flip also. Your nice side will act like a dick now. Your evil side will be confused. Science, man.

    But... everyone else's personality will also flip- so he will still attract people because people will become attracted to dicks.

    --
    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  10. The *woosh* is missing the point by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm reminded of similar statements by scientists that an EMP or another Carrington event will have minimal effects on humans or animal life. In both cases (and in this), the problem isn't the direct effects, it's the secondary ones. An EMP will mostly pass through biological tissue just fine, and might not even permanently disable some older cars -- but if the US is out of power for 14 months because no one can get the transformers rebuilt, that particular aspect doesn't really matter, now does it?

    For a pole flip, I'm not really concerned about the biosphere (except maybe birds), for precisely the reasons indicated. Rather, how does a magnetic flip affect GPS? Compasses? Does it induce current in the process of the flip? That sort of thing.