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Amazon Helps Cops Set Up Package Theft Sting Operations (vice.com)
An anonymous reader quotes Motherboard:
In response to Amazon packages being stolen from people's doorsteps, police departments around the country have set up sting operations that use fake packages bugged with GPS trackers to find and arrest people who steal packages. Internal emails and documents obtained by Motherboard via a public records request show how Amazon and one police department partnered to set up one of these operations.
The documents obtained by Motherboard -- which include an operations plan and internal emails between Amazon and the Hayward, California Police Department -- show that Amazon's "national package theft team" made several calls to the Hayward Police Department and sent the department packages, tape, and stickers that allowed the department to set up a "porch pirate" operation in November and December of 2018... Several other cities around the country -- including Aurora, Colorado; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Jersey City, New Jersey; and Hayward, California -- have also conducted porch pirate sting operations aided by Amazon. Jersey City, New Jersey -- like Hayward, California -- put GPS-tracking devices inside the dummy packages. Aurora and Albuquerque, meanwhile, used doorbell cameras from Ring -- which is owned by Amazon -- to capture video footage and surveil for theft.
The documents obtained by Motherboard -- which include an operations plan and internal emails between Amazon and the Hayward, California Police Department -- show that Amazon's "national package theft team" made several calls to the Hayward Police Department and sent the department packages, tape, and stickers that allowed the department to set up a "porch pirate" operation in November and December of 2018... Several other cities around the country -- including Aurora, Colorado; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Jersey City, New Jersey; and Hayward, California -- have also conducted porch pirate sting operations aided by Amazon. Jersey City, New Jersey -- like Hayward, California -- put GPS-tracking devices inside the dummy packages. Aurora and Albuquerque, meanwhile, used doorbell cameras from Ring -- which is owned by Amazon -- to capture video footage and surveil for theft.
I have a better plan: Amazon talks to their shipping partner and tells them to ring the doorbell and actually deliver the package to a person, instead of leaving it on the porch. And if they're not paying enough for that, they should pay them more.
Let me guess... cops wouldn't be wasting time on minor misdemeanors stings. They'll be planting items in the box which has value that meet or exceed the felony level charges.
is there's way more wage theft (not, "I got paid less than I deserve" but "I got paid less than I was legally owed") than robbery but we've got around 1000 cops nationwide pounding that beat and several hundred thousand on robbery.
For this you can't even argue there's the risk of violence. Package theft if done while no one is looking.
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Is that a word now?
What the fuck is wrong with "monitor" or "observe"? Particularly given the typical dictionary definition of "surveillance".
English is weird.
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Unless your a porch pirate, how could this possibly cause trouble? Police work with companies all the time to help stop theft and fraud. Why is this news?
This is fine, but really - with mail order now being so common - everyone really needs a locking mailbox that accepts packages. These exist, assuming the delivery people are smart enough to use them. Granted, you can't fit a huge package in them, but most will fit.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Have the packages delivered to a drop-off point where you can pick them up later.
THIS is why my family has paid for a professional drop box for over thirty years.
We discovered that some checks delivered to our home were simply left behind the shrubs next to the front door, and had been there for two weeks, since we don't usually use or check the front door.
It's a touch over $200/year, and totally worth every penny.
I saw an expensive midi controller box sitting on someone's porch with their fence door open, it wasn't even in a brown box, it was just the product box, and a shipping label pasted on. I was like that is definitely a honeypot. We need this kind of program though because there is a giant housing project full of losers like a 15 minute walk away so we get a lot of scum stealing packages.
and he's the libbiest lib who ever libbed. You can have money. You can have a lot of money. It's when you have so much that other folks can't live and breath because you're choking the life out of them like a gaggle of weeds that we take exception.
We won't be satisfied until every American has healthcare as a human right, makes a living wage for 40 hours of work a week, can send his/her kids to college and we're not fighting endless wars. Oh, and can we please stop destroying the environment for a quick buck? And I don't just mean the climate, lets do something about the lead in our drinking water while we're at it.
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We borrowed money to bail the banks out then leveraged that debt to trick the middle class into accepting Austerity. They're about to do it again too. Trump deregulated the banks. They've gone back to high risk loans that they then sell off to other companies who then try to sell them off to a "Greater Fool". Eventually interest rates will go up, the loans will get defaulted on and the economy will collapse. It'll probably happen shortly after the election if Trump gets reelected (his Fed is keeping rates low to stop it so that he can get re elected).
I'm really, really hoping we put a lefty like Sanders or Warren in office who will actually take steps to prevent a recession for real by reigning in the banks.
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Whenever USPS brings a package & I am not home, they leave a note for me to pickup from Post Office!!!
How about Amazon let each customer choose between UPS or USPS delivery???
I have a better plan: Amazon talks to their shipping partner and tells them to ring the doorbell and actually deliver the package to a person, instead of leaving it on the porch. And if they're not paying enough for that, they should pay them more.
Bad idea. Stealing packages out of my front door is no different from stealing mail out of my mailbox, and I shouldn't have to be forking extra money in my shipping costs so that Amazon can pay shipping companies the xtra cost of face-to-face delivery.
Additionally, for many of us who are out of homes most of the day, it is extremely inconvenient to have to limit our purchases to face-to-face deliveries only. This is an inane requirement that can not be easily met by the average customer. Just think about it.
I understand the possible implications (the ever present slippery slope of a big tech behemoth partnering with law enforcing agencies, but I find this to be an splendid idea.
It's either that or us customers having to mount security/honey-pot-package systems to track theft of our own purchases at an extra cost just because some fuckers can't help themselves with other people's shit.
I'm not a fan of some of Amazon's practices, but I'm on board with this.
1) yes the criminals need caught and preferably whipped until dead
but
2) this is clearly entrapment, which is illegal... So the police involved also need to be arrested
the lawyers will get all the package thieves off due to this.
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In rural or suburban areas, porch pirates usually drive their own vehicles. I've seen dozens of videos of porch pirates stealing packages and then hopping into a car. But without the license plate, it's not enough for the police to find them.
Set up a license plate reader (LPR) camera, and you can give the cops something to work with. That assumes, of course, that the police will bother to take action even with the license plate.
Current Modus operandi;
walk up to door,
pick up package,
walk away,
profit!
Now it will be
Walk up to door,
pickup package,
walk away,
stuff into heavy Mylar bag to block GPS and Cell signals.
Profit!
This would not only increase the coverage of finding thieves but also serve to discourage future thefts once word got out. Customers can return to GPS devices back to Amazon at either a local lockbox/Whole Foods or mail them back if necessary with a prepaid label.
like "air piracy" is now, and how "ass piracy" used to be.
Um yea, they should have just called Mark Rober and built a glitter bomb.
We've recently seen stories in which a Tesla had video of a man breaking the window that included his face and license plate and where video doorbells were filming those that stole them. In both of those stories, the police had little to no interest in pursuing the case.
In both cases there was also a high probability that the individuals had committed strings of those crimes. Catching the individuals could prevent a lot of theft and damage. It is very possible they have priors and could get very significant time. If not, given that they know who is doing things, they should be able to do a bit of police work and prove the pattern. Who knows, perhaps they'll have a pile of doorbells in their home ready to sell on E-Bay or a little surveillance on the car could catch them doing other drive-by Tesla break-ins.
In both of those cases, I saw many responses on comment sites with worse things that police didn't care to pursue including grand theft auto and night-time residential B&Es.
I've personally had night-time B&Es twice. In both cases I knew who did them. One was an officer and another was someone who had a restraining order against them. Both managed to leave blood evidence. In both cases, the police didn't feel the case worth the time and cost of pursuit. My interpretation was that I was not in upper class neighborhoods where these things matter.
Yet, Amazon is able to get them to spend time on package theft? Why? Are they also paying them or giving a kickback perhaps? Just because they are Amazon? Citizens don't matter but companies do? What's the deal?
They've literally been caught in the act so there's no chance of killing the wrong person. Should end them immediately and be done with it.
headshot as soon as they leave with the package. broadcast it on the news as a warning to other degenerates.
The magic words are "DRUGS" and "GUNS" That's what motivates our for profit police, things they can seize. Anything else is just incidental.
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
Our police response is 30 minutes or more for non 'bleeding on the floor' type offenses. Half of the time the cop tries to accuse you of something or insinuate YOU'RE responsible for crime being reported.
And this is as a white family in a major suburb off a city in california. Go two streets over to the wealthy neighborhoods and they have a cop on patrol all day long, whether on the job, or running security in his patrol car after hours.
America's finest indeed.
If they can't learn after getting convicted twice, what makes you think they will ever stop? If they're in prison at least they won't be breeding new little thieves or starting a harder core profession
Amazon already sells a way to prevent radio tracking from devices hidden inside delivery boxes: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=myl... Thieves can bring the boxes back to a room that is also RF shielded, remove the RF tracking devices, deactivate them, & sell them on Amazon & Ebay.
I think a better solution is for Amazon & its customers to stop creating tempting opportunities for theft out in the world we all have to live in. I don't want Amazon to encourage thieves to patrol my neighbourhood looking for opportunities. It's just a really bad idea.
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I had my packages stolen, and then started having them delivered to my work location and/or amazon lockers when available. It is inconvenient, however safer.
The main driver of the issue is that police will not have the resources to look at small crimes. In fact, it seems like they will not be able to prosecute if the item costs less than $1000 or so: https://www.latimes.com/opinio...
The thieves know this, and they would not care even if they get caught. This is not a good thing for our society. If we do not have resources to prosecute them we should at least put some method of discouragement. Community service, or financial penalties, or some another method to prevent future thefts.
Otherwise we would essentially give up the sanctuary of homes, and hence civilized society.
Fucking "porch pirates" should go to prison, end of story. No sympathy. This isn't a case of someone who made a bad call (e.g., drank a little too much, slightly over the legal limit) or got riled up and threw a punch, or got caught pissing in an alleywall.
This asshole went up to someone's house, across their property, and stole a box hoping it would be good stuff. They didn't even know what was in it. They just had the urge to steal, whatever it was. Hope they go to prison, become a heroin addict when they get out and die of a fentanyl overdose.
The Dallas county DA, being a good liberal, plans to no longer prosecute property crimes of less than $750, and he very stupidly has announced this. Who's gonna be stupid enough to spend piles of money on equipment and salaries to catch package thieves when those thieves are not going to be prosecuted?
Once this fully kicks-in, there's simply going to be no reason why anybody, upon seeing a package lying on somebody's front porch, should leave it lying there for the benefit of the idiot purchaser. Wealth re-distribution, minus the middleman of big government! Socialism 2.0!
Of course, we could rely on the basic morals of the generally self-regulating God-fearing populace --- oh, nope, liberals have been quite successful in converting a country that was originally over 90% Christian into a nation with a growing portion of the public that believes in no higher authority and thus no objective morality. Interesting times lay ahead - probably an eventual era of vigilanteism and gunfire.
Agreed. This sting operation doesn't make me feel any safer as an Amazon customer, for three reasons:
1) This program is temporary.
2) My city's police is not participating in this program.
3) Only dummy packages will have these GPS trackers. My package, however, is still ripe for theft.
Just put the damn GPS in every package, not just the high-value ones, because the definition of "high-value" is different for every person. A rich or middle-class person might set the bar at about $1000, but I'm on a disability check, so every package is valuable to me, even the $50 ones.
Amazon could charge a $5.00 deposit and include a self-addressed stamped envelope for mailing back the GPS unit. When they get the GPS unit back, you get a $5.00 discount on your next order. You could (and probably will) use that to cover the GPS fee the next time you order something.
Make it opt-in so the privacy fags don't ironically bitch about being "forced" to put a GPS tracker in a parcel that's already being tracked by the post office and courier services, and you've got a great shipping assurance system that anyone could afford to benefit from.
That's why this idea smells of nothing but PR and optics. Not even a police dog could catch one whiff of actual innovation and helpfulness off of this stunt.
How is this not a troll?
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The real welfare queens in our economy are (a fair share of) corporations and our poor, endangered investment class.
yes, the bailouts were better than nothing, but there were much better alternatives to both. The first is stopping out of control gambling on the part of massive banking institutions in the first place. But failing that we can provide bail out from the other end of the equation: the individual borrowers. For example, the government could have bought people's mortgages at low or zero interest to the borrower, allowing people to keep their homes while keeping the economy strong. And if all else fails, rather than just handing out money we can buy out the failing companies, nationalize them, then privatize them later when the economy calms down.
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