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OSI vs Taco Bell
This one isn't worded for the easily offended, but I laughed
my (strong word) off.
Kent Dahlgren sent us a bit from his page
that rips
the OSI network model
apart, and proceeds to compare the 7 level OSI network model to
a Taco Bell 7 Layer Burrito. It's funny- laugh. I did.
How many bleeding edge computer or networking innovations have we seen come out of the European continent? Are they even participating in this revolution?
At least six.
C. Babbage and A. Lovelace were both Europeans.
The Turing machine was developed by Alan Turing in England.
C.A.R. Hoare developed much of what we know about programming languages.
N. Wirth developed Pascal, Modula, and Oberon.
The WWW was conceived of and developed at CERN by T. B. Lee.
L. Torvalds developed an OS called Linux which is based on Unix while a graduate student in Finland.
I stopped reading this article when I got to this sentence since the author obviously doesn't know anything about his subject matter. Perhaps, he needs to go back and get more CS/CIS shoved down his throat. I'm not sure what his peeve with OSI is except maybe he flunked that part of his exam. He can rest assured that many other lame standard have orginated from right here in the good ole' USA.
The whole anti-European thing is a joke. Laugh.
Check out his resume. Gotta hire this guy.
That's really funny! Too bad parts of it aren't true. I hate to tell this guy, but TCP/IP is OSI exemplified. OSI is the way networks work. I know because I have worked with networking long enough. When I finally found out about OSI it made a lot of sense, because that's the way most networking works. I'll bet that this guy is a CS student currently taking a networking class and he just needed a way to let off steam, so this was the result.
Bjarne Stroustrup worked at the Bell Labratories, here in the United States?
You must be retarded if you had to ask yourself if his resume was a joke.
OK just kidding.
Anybody notice this is the same guy that had the spud gun a few weeks ago? I knew I'd seen that url somewhere.
/* C. Babbage and A. Lovelace were both Europeans. */
And how many Babbage machines have you ever seen running?
/* The Turing machine was developed by Alan Turing in England. */
And how many of of THOSE have you seen running???
/* N. Wirth developed Pascal, Modula, and Oberon. */
All of which are used only =slightly= more often than OSI itself!
So we've got Hoare and Torvalds. Two computer science developments of actual use.
Yeah, Europe is a hotbed of high tech!!
/* I stopped reading this article when I got to this sentence since the author obviously doesn't know anything
about his subject matter. Perhaps, he needs to go back and get more CS/CIS shoved down his throat. I'm not
sure what his peeve with OSI is except maybe he flunked that part of his exam. He can rest assured that many
other lame standard have orginated from right here in the good ole' USA. */
Get a grip. IT'S A FREAKING JOKE!!!
Will
The resume was brilliant! Of course, I'm sure
there are drooling hordes of people who think he
is serious.
If only every resume was that colorful... reading
them might actually be enjoyable.
The Euro-American Student Union fights anti-European hate speech. Check out their docs on countering defamation directed against Europeans and those of European heritage.
he forgot to include the wrapper,
or else you get that crap all over your hands
what do you put all that stuff in?
Why be such a bigot as to open your article by throwing a hateful slur on par with NIGGER, WOP, CHINK?!?! What a fucking ignorant homophobe.
If you couldn't see it was a joke from the onset, you are sorely lacking in a sense of humor.
Picking up on the whole "tone of voice" thing requires a bit of intelligence -- perhaps -- and likely some critical thinking skills, which, even if you are not retarded, you are definitely lacking.
I am not *convinced* the author of the site is "very intelligent" as you state, but I would at least agree that he is rather bright. As for "cynical", you should probably look that word up (try here for some help). Sarcastic, perhaps. A tendency towards a certain type of humor, most definitely. Cynical - well from the evidence given, no.
I have a sense of humor.
He said "How many bleeding edge computer or networking innovations have we seen come out of the European continent? Are they even participating in this revolution? "
/* The Turing machine was developed by Alan Turing in England. */
And how many of of THOSE have you seen running???
Every computer I've ever laid eyes on is a form of Turing machine.
/* N. Wirth developed Pascal, Modula, and Oberon. */
All of which are used only =slightly= more often than OSI itself!
Concept from the first two of these languages have had great influences on C++ and Java.
So we've got Hoare and Torvalds. Two computer science developments of actual use.
Conveniently forgot about the WWW, hmmm?
The article was a joke, I'll grant you that.
Hey, you do understand the concept of "irony" don't you?
Now, onto another topic. That of critical thinking skills. You are correct; just about any ol' fart can put up a web page these days. That is why it is important to open your eyes, look around you - look at things besides the words. Check his other links (if you weren't perceptive enough to notice the humor right off...); check his URL (hmm... seemingly bashing europe, but notice the domain; conflict, maybe I should think about this a bit); notice what others have written; that is, take context into account. Use your brain. And, if you can't make a judgment based upon the evidence collected so far, withhold judgment until you are better able to do so.
Now, as for my state of idiocy, which you seem to know about... hmmm, your argument, or total lack thereof, is, how shall I say, uninspiring. Is "retard" and "idiocy" the best you can do?
I actually thought this was a joke but I
jsut have to say something.
Once I ran across this site while looking for
lyrics to the Metallica cover "Am I Evil". Well
The site I found was made by this college guy who
was kicked out of college for assaulting an
administrator (and he was proud of it!)He swore
he would fu-- the bit-- up and then went on to
spew all kinds of evil, hateful, sexist, bigot
stuff all over his page. Not to mention the
graphics of pentagrams and swastikas. All the
time talking about how every body was against
him.
My $0.02 in that there are these folks out there
who probably are a bit kooky and damn proud of
it and the web is a perfect medium for them to
express themselves.
It's really sad to see just how many stupid sense-of-humorless morons there are that read /.
Lighten up you twits!
I must take offence with the terrible generalization you made in your first sentence. ALL music did NOT suck in the 80's! (I cant think of any good stuff right now, but there had to something worthwhile) As far as the rest of the sentence goes...all true. Just look at a Duran Duran (fags) or Wham (aka George Michael..fag) video to see they dressed like fags. Sorry, I mean alternate lifestylers. And as for the Europeans being sissies, how many times in one century does the U.S. have to save them from being overrun by either Germany or the Soviet Union???
Yes it was a joke.
He explains it for those who are having difficulties.
It's a funny tale too. Apparently some recruiters got a hold of it....
Didn't anyone get to the bottom of the page?
I'm aware of this stuff. I just can't resist tweaking the humorless.
Will
The Euro-American Student Union is a Civil Rights organization devoted to protecting the civil rights of European Americans. Your hateful remarks are evidence enough that the Euro-American Student Union must continue its mission to protect Euro-Americans from bigots like you.
/* Conveniently forgot about the WWW, hmmm? */
Now how did I do that? The web... The invention that made the internet safe for millions of AOL users, crushed net bandwidth, and unleashed spammers, scammers and MMF creeps upon the net. Maybe Europe should take that one back.
Will
Because of increased bigotry directed against Europeans, the Euro-American Student Union Civil Rights organization was founded. Discrimination and hate directed against Europeans and Euro-Americans is increasing, but the Euro-American Student Union is at the forefront in the struggle to insure that the civil rights of Euro-Americans are not trampled.
Not to mention http://esu.simplenet.com/ravage.htm, an anti-Semitic screed worthy of the National Socialist White People's Party.
Christ, I'm sick of all these whiney Europe people. They never miss an opportunity to try to talk their little crap about Americans an dpoint out every little stupid thing about how they are supposedly better. "Them yanks and their pisswater beer, them yanks and their sports that we don't like, because we're above that." And for the most part, everyone just sits back and takes it or ignores it, wondering what the hell they have up their asses. Like they have to prove themselves or something. Then as soon as someone says anything anti-european, here come a pack of them snivelling about how they aren't sissies and their network stuff is actually good. Damn.
you have a valid point in that I'm sure many homosexuals do not care for the term "fag". Though I don't know how many really know of the connection between the word and burning as heretics. And, given the history you have described, I can certainly see why it would be objectionable to be called a "fag". However, to say that this guy's use of the word implies that he thinks gays should be burned at the stake is, IMO, ridiculous. There is no evidence in his writings of any such beliefs, or of any real gay-bashing whatsoever.
So he used the word "fag". Once. Whoopee. People really gotta start to stop taking every word anyone says so fscking seriously. Sometimes people slip and don't necessarily think that other people are going to go ballistic over a figure of speech, that in the context it was used was clearly not intended as an attack. I know that personally, once in a while I'll slip and say that something I think is lame is "gay". Yet I have nothing against gays, certainly I have no desire to burn them at the stake! It's an expression I've picked up somewhere in life. I try to avoid saying things like that, because I know people are overly sensitive, but once in a while you just slip. Shit happens. Give this fellow a break. If his article was a big homophobic tirade or something, then fine, flame him. But use a little common sense, too!
"Every computer I've ever laid eyes on is a form of Turing machine."
Turing was just some queer that got arrested in the early 50's for being gay and was forced to take female hormones to tame his libido. He later commited suicided by poisoning himself with cyanide.
He was a student of Alonzo Church, inventor of the Lambda calculus, which can do anything a Turing machine can do except it's much cooler.
Turing this, Turing that... bah. All hail The Knights of the Lambda Calculus.
No, no!
The tortilla wrap is equivalent to the paper the OSI stuff is printed on.
They've got about the same size and taste...
/* And how many Babbage machines have you ever seen running? */
There is a working Babbage machine in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. I didn't see it run, though...
IIRC it was built by a group of engineers and students using Babbage's original plans.
Let's also try
ARM Processors - Cambridge, England
Colossus - First Electronic computer - Bletchley, England
Packet Switched Networks - GPO in England
Alan Cox - Following up on Linus Torvalds in Wales
The Zuse series of electromechanical computers - Germany
ZX Spectrum (Timex something or other) - England
I am sure there are more, but suffice it to say, this moron doesn't know what he is talking about.
Actually, I have seen a Babbage computation engine at work. They built one for the Science museum in London. They started it up and put it against a Canon BN22 (486 33) doing log tables. The 486 lost.
The anti-European speech is a bit silly, but after all many Americans must believe they rule the Universe... Anyway...
Europeans invention are existing indeed - some have listed quite many - I'll just add GSM: a digital cellular technology that is far superior than any American stuff.
Also, when it comes to OSI, do you realise that you would not make phone calls without it? Has it ever occured to you that telephone networks heavily use OSI model and protocols ?
did anybody else notice that he was saying atuff
about european being behind in internet techonology and stuff whilst he is on
www.europa.com ?
Not to mention the internet!
Why don't you take a couple of euro out of your account and RENT a sense of humor?
Or did the fact that the writer also referred to Americans as "booger eaters" and etc. slip right past you?
Pzzzzt... wrong!!
Europa is a moon of Jupiter, not Saturn!
Every computer I've ever laid eyes on is a form of Turing machine.
:)
Form, maybe, but how do you cope with the interactivity bit? Simply attaching a keyboard makes it hard to call a computer a Turing machine. Unless you believe the universe to be one, of course
I'm doing supplementary services for ISDN/QSIG right now, and I just loved your rant! :-)
And exactly what is "hate speech" anyway? Sounds like yet another politically correct (newspeak) term to me.
Actually OSI is for data networks, the ITU-T/CITT have thier own maps. The OSI stack itself (yes there is one) is for computers, not telephones. But the model could be stretched to fit some portions of the telephone network, like I dunno, maybe the physical layer, course what network has no physical layer?
Sure, the burrito explanation is funny, but it doesn't tell me why OSI sucks. Sure, I know it does, but it doesn't look like the author does.
"OSI sucks. Do you know why? Cause it sucks."
Great logic.
I'm tired of all the whining by people who think that because they are confused about which end of a penis they belong on, they should have some kind of special rights and priveleges - in particular, the right to never be offended.
Fags is fags. Queers is queers. Gays is gays.
They're ALL PERVERTS!!
There's a bug in your post!
What the heck does entemology have to do with this? Perhaps you meant etymology??
A number of years ago, I took a really great class on the art and science of protocol performance, back at Interop 1990 or 1991. It was taught by David Clark from MIT, who passed on this story as one of the more amusing tidbits:
He was working with the ISO/OSI on one of the countless committees or subcommittees that they require in order to accomplish nothing. The "networking problem" was *arbitrarily* split up into seven subcommittees for study. When they got back together, no one could agree on where or how to draw the lines between the layers, so they left then where they were.
The hilarious thing about this is that the layers do not correspond to any protocol implementation in the world. Those who have tried to actually build protocols to fit have failed miserably (OSI/MAP/TOP/etc.) (Although they're pretty close to X.25, which as a "popular" ISO standard, was the basis for the original arbitrary split.)
This has caused thousands of people untold grief as they try to shoehorn the design of their real-world networks into the OSI model. (IP is notoriously difficult in this regard - so much so that Doug Comer teaches a proper 5-layer model in his IP classes.)
Clark wisely told us this story instead of teaching the OSI model, and then told us to ignore it entirely, since it is completely useless.
The IETF will continue to work as long as it makes its decisions based on "rough consensus and running code" as opposed to the career-building piles of garbage documents that the OSI cranks out!
Bite me. Damn americans. Sick and tired of US centric shit. For those fuckheads who feel the need to spout off shit about how superior the US is, get a clue and at least try and place the US on a map of the world.. if you can.
:)
BTW, I'm sure someone has already pointed out IPX was actually supposed to be what the Internet ran on - however, it took too long to be decided, and so the hack called IP took its place.
Not that IP is bad, of course
Why not pick up a an American quarter dollar coin and on the reverse side you will see the American Eagle guarding the bundle of sticks which represents unity and the rule of law.
Yeah, so? I know America's a bunch of fascists... I live in Texas, too...
Crawl back into your hole, you ignorant fuck. Obviously this world is too big and multicolored for your reptile-brain to understand. Give up now, do us all a favour, help prevent overpopulation and kill yourself.
I can see how you would love my views on WWI and WWII. And you should be thankful that you arent speaking German or Russian as your national language. Boy...what gratitude!
You must really be pissed that we kicked your sissy asses out of OUR country back in the 1700's.
> At least we Americans have a sense of humor.
Indeed, in Europe we're stuck with a sense of humour.
Ben Jefferys - can't be bothered to log in
That's one of the original ideas that I thought up for Segfault.org with Scott and Leonard. "Great minds think alike"? (or somesuch...) Cool. (^:
Hey, don't forget Simula 67, the first language with the class concept. It was developed in Norway by Dahl and Nygaard.
C.A.R. Hoare
I'm surprised no one's commented on this yet. That's a great name if parents want to torture their kid (especially a daughter). Sure seems fun idea to be in that family.
The European contingent in the comments section here on slashdot seems to have no trouble remembering it with regards to people in the States.
-A.P.
--
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
http://www.earthlink.net/about/papers/evolution.ht ml
This time from a 'net visionary'...
Heh heh.
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
L. Torvalds developed an OS called Linux which is based on Unix while a graduate student in Finland.
And where exactly do you think UNIX was developed? Couldn't be the US, could it?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
I'd call that a strike *against* Europeans, not for. All that C++ does is mess up a perfectly good language (which, incidentally, was created by americans :P)
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
I know both C and C++, although I'll admit I've used C a lot more than C++, so perhaps I'm biased. I can see the usefulness of classes and data-hiding with large multi-programmer projects, where you want the AI team to be able to program without having to know anything about the graphics programming, and vice-versa, but for a one-programmer project (such as most of the stuff I do), having classes and data-hiding is pretty much useless. Plus "pass by reference" in C++ is just a crutch for people who don't know how to use pointers. I could name other things, such as how damn slow multiple inheritence and polymorphism makes your program. Also, the string class really encourages inefficient programming. In C, if you wanted to keep changing the length of a string (char array), you knew you were doing so. In C++, it does it for you, so you could be constantly allocating and deallocating char arrays without being as aware of it. Basically, C++ makes it easier to write inefficient code, and to write said code faster.
Anyway, my point is that I can see a limited use for it, but for most programs, it introduces unneeded complexity, as well as providing various crutches that keep programmers from having to write efficient programs.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Posted by tdibble:
The tortilla is layer 0, which in OSI is the floor upon which the physical network stands.
Maybe you can read something into his "joke" resume; or maybe _you_ are "retarded" as you put it. In other words I am saying you might be wrong.
Are you kidding? What in the following excerpt could possibly be written in any serious fashion by someone intelligent enough to properly format html (not a great feat, but certianly a benchmark) and obviously computer literate:
Skills
I am very handy with a hammer, but I think my calling is in sales or customer relations. I'm a people person. I spent a week with my step dad in Arizona and he taught me how to weld. I've become very interested lately in pyrotechnics. Maybe a job starting fires would be cool. Hey, I'm flexible. I just need a goddammed job. If I don't get a job soon, I'll be forced to take up that offer that recruiter from the ARMY gave me.
== Just my opinion(s)
"Get a grip. IT'S A FREAKING JOKE!!!"
Hmm. So taking pot shots at other parts of the globe is amusing... I'll have to remember that.
FYI. There are probably more Pascal developers than Linux developers full stop... Borland Delphi for one has over 1 million developers...and unlike VB and C++ it doesn't suck.
He was obviously using invective and hyperbole to create an effect: this is not uncommon in writing. Satire and irony can also be used. Sure, some of the comments were gross and unfair, but that's the point of the style - his resume seems to follow along with this attempt at cynical toughness.
"No wonder we booger eating Yanks think the Europeans are sissies."
Pokes fun at Americans as well. Oh, well, just my $0.02.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
No, man, it has other meanings.
In fact, he mentions the meaning he's using... "sissy". If I say people are gay, that can also mean they're joyful. If I say people are "faggy", that can also mean they're sissies. Learn to properly interpret connotations.
Mark Twain called black people niggers because that's what everyone called them. It was common speak for "negroid", which was the politically correct term then. Because people today can't interpret what he was saying then, Huckleberry Finn is sometimes banned. Because you can't interpret what this author is saying now, you're upset and calling him names.
Try to understand what people mean before you slander them.
pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Well, OSI as a protocol definition is dead, and has been for a while. As a model for networking layers, I think it does a good job of separating functionality into distinct sections. TCP/IP actually fits into the OSI model. IP is at the network layer, and TCP/UDP are at the transport layer.
--Phil (I first learned the OSI model from W. Richard Stevens' UNIX Network Programming. I thik he know's what he's doing.)
355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation!
Interestingly enough, the guy bashes Europeans as unable to come up with a decent computer (um, CERN, Linux, hello?) and his domain is europa.com.
Heh.
My guess is that the napkin serves as a garbage collector, cleaning up after the network stack's memory allocations.
Don't go confusing Turing Machines with the Turing Test. ;)
One is a conceptual machine involving a tape moving back and forth... The Turing Machine has been proven to be equivalent to a Von Neumann Machine, which is the model that *all* modern computers follow. (hey, why has nobody mentioned Von Neumann yet?) The simplicity of the Turing Machine means it can be used to prove deep things about computability and so forth. You can get Turing Machine emulators if you want to play about with one... apparently the estate of Alan Turing isn't suing anyone over it
The Turing Test is an attempt at an answer to the question "How would be know if we'd managed to develop machine intelligence?".
Two different things.
As to the idiot who said "Turing was a faggot who killed himself"...
Well, Turing was gay, and he killed himself as
a result of the intolerance of society at the time (so their fault, not his)
and the pressure of his work at Bletchley Park, you know, winning World War II....
There's no confusion. You're just wrong.
BTW the Turing Test was a nice idea, but clearly
flawed, since many machines have passed the test
which quite clearly do not display *any form* of
intelligence.
Find out about Turing Machines
here
Find out about the Turing Test
here
They may not be the best resources on the matter,
but they seem to be OK, and will link to other places...
As you will see, the Turing Test and the Turing Machine are only related by the fact that the same clever geezer thought them up, and they have something to do with computing.
The sad thing is that this is true.. jeeze i didn't realize how close a burrito is to this model....
that's why I add jolepenios!
Anyway, this was a very refreshing article. I actually worked on the OSI/Communications System for MVS and VM/CMS during a brief (6 endless months) stint at IBM. I had to deal with FTAM, ASN-1, and loads of other useless garbage.
Had I had the Taco Bell Reference Model back then, I might have lasted 7 months working for IBM.
http://eugeneciurana.com | http://ciurana.eu
I also have a (never completed) ASN-1 parser. It's interesting seeing that SGML/XML do the same thing, without all the blabber.
Cheers!
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Damn, where's this guy live? $.99 for a seven layer burrito? They're a buck thirty nine around here...
Hmph... no cable modems, no DSL, expensive taco bell... why do I live here?
Regards.
"The only good windmill is a tilted windmill."
You need to be a bit more niggardly with your posts. This is Slashdot, not English class ;-)
Ever thought that the guy didn't care about offending people. I mean, I thought he went out of his way to offend quite a number of people, including Americans, Hispanics (who, after all, had nothing to do with burritos as we gringos know them), Europeans....etc, etc. Alot of people use the terms "gay" and "queer" not even in the context of homosexuality or questioning of one's manhood. When I was growing up (which wasn't that long ago), I used "queer" to mean something odd or strange, and I'm only 20 so there were plenty of people who used "queer" to mean homosexual.
I'm not saying that some people shouldn't be offended by what he said, but sometimes you need to put things in context. The post was a rambling outrage, on par with Dennis Leary's tyrades, and I thought it was rather humorous. At no point did I think he was making fun of homosexuals; and for anyone that did, I'm sorry for them. Sometimes things are put the wrong way and sometimes they are taken the wrong way; and they aren't always meant to offend (remember the Seinfeld office incident). I think alot of times, people are on the lookout to be outraged, and so they find ways not to disappoint themselves. Over-sensitive political correctness is a bane on society.
--
Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
"Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, Memento Mori
On the larger level, I would suppose this was not meant to offend anyone in particular, just an author adopting a dubious choice of voice. On the other hand, if it had been done well, it might have been funny.
I wasn't happy about the fags remark on two levels. First, it's offensive. However words are just words, and I can let it slide in most cases. Second, though, is that it wasn't funny. It was beyond cliched, it just made no sense. What do "fags" dress like? Try watching a gay pride parade. You will see every fashion in creation, from conservative blue suits to polo shirts to t-shirt and jeans, to lovely chiffon floor length gowns.
What do "fags" dress like? They dress like you.
Moving on, TCP/IP doesn't replace the OSI model, it fits in it. I wonder if Kent understands the model. Here's an explanation of the model as it works around the dinner table.
- Physical. Humans or other creatures, with physical bodies. "Have a seat"
- Data Link. He have Aural/Oral information (talking) and physical information (food). Physical information is moved with attendee intervention, and Aural/Oral, by talking and listening. We will use Collision Detection to decide who gets to communicate. "Sorry, You go first." "No, you go, you have the jam."
- Network. How do you get a packet from any thing in the network to anything else. "George, would you pass this jam to Lynn?"
- Transport. Error handling and sequencing. "George, you will need to hold the jam upright, the lid is off. Would you then pass this spoon, so Lynn can get the jam out? Here's the lid, hold on to that until Lynn is done spooning out the jam."
- Session Layer. Politeness. The end of session marker could be "Thanks, George."
- Presentation. "Lynn, the jam is in a jar." or "Lynn, the jam is in a bowl." or "Lynn, the jam is in a squeeze bottle."
- Application. "Lynn, if you want Jam, you'll need to ask for it by saying 'Could I have Jam please' or if a specific person has it, 'Hacksaw, could you pass the jam toward me?'." Also, "Tonight we have jam, bread, rolls, salad, stir fried vegetables, and an apple torte for desert."
This could be considered a pathalogical example. On the other hand, TCP/IP as a model isn't refined enough to suggest things like IP-IP tunneling. It also doesn't break out the major areas that could be tweaked to make a set of applications even more efficient. Admittedly, you can get all these things done in TCP/IP. The OSI model is most useful for organizations that are trying to optimize their production model where it deals ith network communication.All the technology in the world won't hide your lack of vision, talent, or understanding.
* The Turing machine was developed by Alan Turing in England. */
And how many of of THOSE have you seen running???
None. A turing machine is a theoretical computing model that can be used to determine whether a computer can solve a problem. Basically if it can't be done on a Turing machine no computer can do it. Currently, no one has come up with a better model. By better model, I mean one that can solve more problems than a turing machine. Quantum computing may become the new model, but currently I don't think anyone has shown that it can solve previously uncomputable problems.
... Could be expanded out to fit this model, easy. It's scary how well this describes TacoBell food, but for the veggie in the office, it's pretty much the Standard...
Check my Go-related blog for beginners: DGD
And the US has given us: DOS, Windows, MacOS, etc
Europe has descended into the most incredible immorality and filthiness. But don't feel bad about it, we're quickly coming up to speed.
Or maybe my connection just sucks.
If 90% of everything isn't crap, your standards are too high.
Oh, and let's not forget: Alan Turing, one of the best and most influential theoriticians in computing the world has ever seen, was a `fag.'
cjs
The world's most portable OS: http://www.netbsd.org.
ha! you all forgot the early arabs for arithmetic..and the greeks...
and the monkeys that came down out of the trees..
and the alleged comet that wiped out the aforementioned dinosaurs(or act of god or aliens, whatever works for you)
Between the idea & the reality, between the motion & the act falls the shadow
Gee, and let's note that Charles Babbage came from Europe. CERN is in Europe. Turing was from Europe. Some guy named Linus Torvalds is from Europe.
And one more thing...it's not really correct to say that the US military funded the Internet. Although DARPA provided initial funding for the Internet, it was by no means a military project. All this business about a nuclear war-survivable network is false. The Internet came about so that DARPA didn't have to give computers to every university that wanted one...it was designed to save money, that's all.
Anyway, rant mode off, yes, the page is funny. Yes, comparisons can be made to anything that has seven layers, probably including Dagwood's sandwich. But the ravings that precede it aren't exactly correct.
anyone else find it ironic that he is making fun of Europeans, and his web site is www.europa.com?
just a thought...
The basic sleazeware produced in a drunken fury by a bunch of UCBerkeley grad students was still the core of BIND. --PV
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Your argument denies some essential and self-evident facts about language. (Okay...for the sake of disclosure, my training is in linguistics, but I'm not claiming to be an authority on language.)
Let's look for a moment at your first assertion, i.e. that referring to somebody as gay may mean that they're joyful. However, the meanings of words change. And gay, when referring to a person, has not had the meaning "joyful" in at least two decades. When you use it that way, you are very apt to be misunderstood.
This is not "merely semantics". (As a linguist, I hate that phrase, because semantics isn't merely anything--it's probably the most complicated and inscrutable part of language.) If you were to say you "compiled several versions of the Linux kernel today", anyone who thought that you put them all in a document with annotations and indexing would obviously be out of his or her freakin' mind.
Pulling out the dictionary and noting that the first definition of the verb compile is "to compose into a volume" doesn't change the fact that, when dealing with programs, the verb "compile" always refers to a secondary meaning, "to run (as a program) through a compiler."
Similarly, just because the first definition of gay given in the dictionary is "merrily excited" doesn't mean that you can refer to a person as gay in this day and age and not have your interlocutor assume you mean he is homosexual.
This is controversial, however. There are many language purists out there who seek to preserve older meanings of older words. There's no need here and now to get into that intractable, and ridiculous, argument. I would merely point out that Slashdot is filled with words that no one would even think of reading with their "standard" meanings, e.g. broadcast, program, flame, cookie, page, site, develop, crash. Anyone who criticized the deviation from "standard usage" of one of these words in a Slashdot post would be flamed to hell, and rightly so.
Your second assertion, however, is ridiculous. If you mean sissy, then say sissy. To use a term which is hurtful to a group of people--knowing that it is hurtful to that group of people, when there are other perfectly good words for describing exactly the same concept--is either irrational or sadistic.
In case you're not aware of the origins of the word fag, let me enlighten you, as it may be illuminating as to why this word is unacceptable for conversational use. That it is derived from the word "faggot" is undisputed; this word first appeared in print no later than 1914 to refer to a male homosexual.
The entymology becomes hazier beyond this point. However, it is widely believed to be a coinage from the word faggot (ME fagotfaggots is the term for the bundles of kindling used in the burning of heretics. One group of heretics that were burned were male homosexuals.
You can see why the term is so objectionable. To use it to refer to a person (whether a homosexual person or to a, as you say, "sissy") insinuates to many that you believe that the person should be penalized for their behavior by being burned alive.
Though I'm well aware that geeks are by and large very "anti-politically correct", they also by and large have a strong libertarian streak. I would be very suprised if even a sizable minority of the readers of Slashdot have personally homophobic opinions. But referring to a document that uses such a damaging word in its very first sentence in an off-the-wall manner as "damn funny" is very hurtful to the many of us who identify as lesbian or gay.
Hey, us Euros might be able to create the perfect networking standard, but at least we don't write crap like "Therefore, beans build upon the foundation that beans have built, and rightfully deserve to always be the second ingredient.".
Um yeah. Second after beans.
And for the humourically impaired, this is meant in the same vein as the article, i.e. don't blow a gasket reading it, it's not serious!
Anyway Del Taco is better, Fat Tacos = yum!
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Mr Onions. No relation.
The article isn't even funny. If it were humorous, it would draw insightful comparisons between the OSI model and the Taco Bell product. Instead, it just describes both. Oh, that took brain work! NOT!
The opening, however, is absolutely not funny. It says "If you aren't sterotypical macho male, you aren't worthy of respect." A lot of your most famous computer scientists are gay or bisexual... so learn your history and get some respect.
WE AREN'T GOING AWAY!
--Tom
Aw jeez, lighten up. I'm not a bigot, and I'm not going to defend myself by showing you pictures of my token gay friends. Screw off, sissy, or I'll pick you up by your underwear. Hahahahaahahahahaha Have you seen this page yet? Its a cool one.
As the other responded stated the term "fag" is here used to mean sissy. The substance of this being used as an insult is as follows: A) Homosexuals are sissies B) You are a homosexual C) You are a sissy. Obiviously you can see how this would piss off and offend homosexuals who hear it used this way. Furthermore, this myth that gay men are weak sissies is complete bull. Some of my best friends who are gay have had to hold their own in many a bar fight and have walked away unscathed. Think twice before you though around the word "fag".
Hmmm i would hope that this C code is something that you worked on in your spare time outside of IBM, considering if it isn't, you're committing a very serious crime :)
I don't think IBM would really appreciate anyone just offering up any source code someone has written while under their big blue arm...I should know, I'm working there right now...and I guess...to each his own.
heh, well, without c++ you'd still be working with languages like oh....cobol, pascal, etc.
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And without it you wouldn't have your lovely little ol sockets that you use more times out of a day than you probably use the toilet
just my 2 measley cents
Well, if you're going to include that i'm going to throw in the Babylonians and the Summerians for whatever the hell they used again...been so long I don't even remember :)
I know one of them just used lines.......
BAH oh well