SBCL requires a (reasonably compliant) ANSI Common Lisp compiler to build, just like gcc requires a C compiler to build. One compiler that can be used to compile SBCL is CLISP, which in turn can be built with a C compiler, so if you want to you can bootstrap from gcc.
It's a lot easier to just download a binary version of SBCL and using that to build with, though.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it? I find HTML written in a bunched-up style like that unreadable too, and use auto-formatting to fix that problem, too. All you're showing is that poorly written code is unreadable, but didn't we all know that already?
Re:Middle Mouse on Linux (was: re: ... on MacOSX)
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Because Netscape (and Mozilla after it) has always reacted to a middle click by trying to load the selected URL, unless you click on a link. I, for one, am used to that behaviour and use it all the time, and I suspect that goes for a large proportion of the people who used to use Netscape on a Unix(-like) system.
"there just aren't enough gamers"? EverQuest has over 400k active accounts, Final Fantasy XI over 500k, Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot over 200k each (numbers may not be quite current). Those are just some of the biggest ones. There are clearly lots and lots and lots of people willing to pay for playing MMORPGs.
Developers (or publishers, really) are probably waiting for Mac users. With only a couple of percent market share, and with many of those having a PC or console too, the added sales don't add up to that much more money. And porting games isn't free, especially when the games aren't originally designed for portability.
IBM isn't going to release four-way machines with four processors for $3500. They will release four-way machines with a single processor for $3500, if the rumours (I don't think IBM has officially announced any of this) are right, and probably want $1k or so per extra CPU (this last is pure speculation). But I do hope I'm wrong.
I can see having a way to disable popups from e.g. the (context) menu of a window that was popped up, or enabling/disabling popups for a specific site in the (context) menu when viewing a page on the site. In fact the second makes a lot more sense than going to the preferences and adding/removing sites, once you realise it's there, IMHO.
IBM might get slapped with an order to clean up their act, but every kernel developer (or even Linus)? SCO has yet to sue them, and I doubt a court can just arbitrarily slap someone not involved in a suit with penalties. Of course the US legal system could be considerably crazier than I believe it is, but I doubt it.
Nothing new? It has a new display and twice the memory. That's bundling only in the sense that any handheld is a bundle of components. It also comes with a new version of the OS, including Graffiti 2, which I don't think is available for the Tungsten T.
If millions of people breaking the law every day is not an option, why do we have laws that millions of people break every day? Seems to me that the lawmakers consider it an option.
Re:Priceless... Apple X Serve is the Visa Purchase
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Oh, yes, that nasty 720GB disk limitation, which is exactly the same as what the Dell PowerEdge 6650 will take, that's a real showstopper, that. Especially with the 1U enclosure of the Xserver compared to the 4U of the Dell, leaving room for 2.5 terabytes of disk in an Xserve RAID in the same space. This very thing was, incidentally, included in the price quote by the original poster, and represents well over half the cost.
The comparison was, of course, ridiculous (the PowerEdge 6650 and the Xserve are not really aimed at the same market), but so was this debunking of it.
Outside supercomputing, Sun is competing in the high end. The Fire 15k is comparable to high end Unix offerings from other vendors. Yes, they're not quite as fast, and yes, some other vendors offer bigger boxes, but to claim that a computer scaling up to 106 CPUs, half a terabyte of memory and priced at $850k-$3million+ isn't high end begs the question "Where does the high end start, then?".
Weise isn't a developer, he's a researcher at MS Research, who aren't the people writing Windows. And even if he were one of the people writing Windows, he could feel C++ is crap even though his job involved writing software in it - most of us don't agree with every decision made by our employers, and getting a job writing software in sensible languages isn't trivial.
Remember DVD? The video format that you couldn't record to that had unprecented consumer adoptment rates? That comes with a variety of copy prevention technology (encryption, Macrovision)? Doesn't seem to have hurt it much.
D&D does not come with a world (there are some deities in the core books, but that's mostly for illustrative purposes). Rolemaster does not come with a world. Big Eyes, Small Mouth does not come with a world. There are numerous other games that don't come with a world, either, those are just some of the ones I happen to have.
GURPS does, in fact, have far more game worlds published than any other RPG, and more supplements than anything except D&D/D20 and (maybe) the World of Darkness games.
If a publisher can't depend on people honouring intellectual property rights, why would they be able to depend on people honouring the terms of a contract? It's already illegal to violate copyright, a contract is not necessary. The only reason to add a contract would be to impose further restrictions not covered by copyright, such as claiming the book does not belong to the buyer or preventing the buyer from spreading information about the contents of the book.
It's highly unlikely that an x86 is going to be running PowerPC code faster than a PowerPC, and since MacOS X is only available as PowerPC binaries, I doubt Apple has much to fear from someone selling x86 machines running MacOS X.
Available for the JVM: Scheme, Basic, Logo, Prolog, Smalltalk, COBOL, Ada 95, Python, Ruby, Forth, Pascal, Modula-2, Oberon-2. To mention a few. There are many, many more, but these are the more well-known ones I could find easily and quickly. Some of them may be brain damaged, but I suspect most of them aren't.
Neither Prolog nor SQL are functional languages, so using those as examples is rather silly. I'd like to know where you'd see SQL outside of databases, seems it would be rather a bad language for anything else (though I don't know much about SQL99, maybe the standards committee had delusions of grandeur). There are a number of functional languages with quite respectable performance in good implementations, e.g. O'Caml, Standard ML (MLTon, smlnj), Scheme (bigloo, stalin for certain applications), and (though less functionally oriented) Common Lisp (CMUCL/SBCL, ACL),. They may not be quite as good as good C/C++ compilers, but they're not that far behind, either.
CMU CL does not, at any stage in the compilation process, generate intermediary C code. At least not that I've been able to see, and given that I've looked at the code generation, I'd be very surprised if it did. Nor do SBCL, ACL, MCL, or LispWorks. There are a number of CL compilers that compile via C, such as GCL and ECLS, but you don't have to use those, there are lots of other choices. As for the other languages, I am not sufficiently familiar with the compilers to say whether they use an intermediate C stage or not.
Start Mozilla. Start konqueror. Go to a page with a link in it in konqueror. Right click on the link, select copy link location, middle click somewhere in mozilla window. Result: mozilla opens that location pointed to by the link. Do the same in mozilla (except there it's "Copy link address"), middle click in konqueror. Result: konqueror opens the location pointed to. Drag and drop between them doesn't work, though.
You don't need to talk to the slashdot community about this, you need to talk to the hardware vendors who are the people who can provide programmers with documentation and support, or even pay programmers to write the drivers just like they do for Windows.
No, they are not voting for it to be #1 on the list of best movies ever. They are rating it on a scale from 1 (awful) to 10 (excellent). Just because I give a movie a 10 doesn't mean it's the best movie I've ever seen. I've seen too many excellent movies (including LotR:FotR) for that to be the case.
Also note that IMDB is not claiming it's a list of the 250 best movies ever made, they're claiming it's a list of the 250 movies with highest scores as rated by their users. Being in the number one spot has nothing to do with anything but how highly IMDB users have rated the film.
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SBCL requires a (reasonably compliant) ANSI Common Lisp compiler to build, just like gcc requires a C compiler to build. One compiler that can be used to compile SBCL is CLISP, which in turn can be built with a C compiler, so if you want to you can bootstrap from gcc.
It's a lot easier to just download a binary version of SBCL and using that to build with, though.
Or you could ask your kind, helpful Lisp environment (or sexpr-TML or indent equivalent) to pretty-print and you'd immediately see what was wrong:
(HTML (HEAD (TITLE "bla"))
(BODY (BGCOLOR BLUE)
(B
(A (HREF "http://osdn.com/osdnsearch.pl") (STYLE "text-decoration: none")
(FONTSIZE "-2") (FACE "verdana") SEARCH)))
(I HERE))
Now that wasn't so hard, was it? I find HTML written in a bunched-up style like that unreadable too, and use auto-formatting to fix that problem, too. All you're showing is that poorly written code is unreadable, but didn't we all know that already?
Because Netscape (and Mozilla after it) has always reacted to a middle click by trying to load the selected URL, unless you click on a link. I, for one, am used to that behaviour and use it all the time, and I suspect that goes for a large proportion of the people who used to use Netscape on a Unix(-like) system.
"there just aren't enough gamers"? EverQuest has over 400k active accounts, Final Fantasy XI over 500k, Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot over 200k each (numbers may not be quite current). Those are just some of the biggest ones. There are clearly lots and lots and lots of people willing to pay for playing MMORPGs.
Developers (or publishers, really) are probably waiting for Mac users. With only a couple of percent market share, and with many of those having a PC or console too, the added sales don't add up to that much more money. And porting games isn't free, especially when the games aren't originally designed for portability.
Sad, but true.
IBM isn't going to release four-way machines with four processors for $3500. They will release four-way machines with a single processor for $3500, if the rumours (I don't think IBM has officially announced any of this) are right, and probably want $1k or so per extra CPU (this last is pure speculation).
But I do hope I'm wrong.
You've never used a computer you don't own?
I can see having a way to disable popups from e.g. the (context) menu of a window that was popped up, or enabling/disabling popups for a specific site in the (context) menu when viewing a page on the site.
In fact the second makes a lot more sense than going to the preferences and adding/removing sites, once you realise it's there, IMHO.
IBM might get slapped with an order to clean up their act, but every kernel developer (or even Linus)? SCO has yet to sue them, and I doubt a court can just arbitrarily slap someone not involved in a suit with penalties. Of course the US legal system could be considerably crazier than I believe it is, but I doubt it.
Nothing new? It has a new display and twice the memory. That's bundling only in the sense that any handheld is a bundle of components. It also comes with a new version of the OS, including Graffiti 2, which I don't think is available for the Tungsten T.
If millions of people breaking the law every day is not an option, why do we have laws that millions of people break every day? Seems to me that the lawmakers consider it an option.
Oh, yes, that nasty 720GB disk limitation, which is exactly the same as what the Dell PowerEdge 6650 will take, that's a real showstopper, that. Especially with the 1U enclosure of the Xserver compared to the 4U of the Dell, leaving room for 2.5 terabytes of disk in an Xserve RAID in the same space. This very thing was, incidentally, included in the price quote by the original poster, and represents well over half the cost.
The comparison was, of course, ridiculous (the PowerEdge 6650 and the Xserve are not really aimed at the same market), but so was this debunking of it.
Outside supercomputing, Sun is competing in the high end. The Fire 15k is comparable to high end Unix offerings from other vendors. Yes, they're not quite as fast, and yes, some other vendors offer bigger boxes, but to claim that a computer scaling up to 106 CPUs, half a terabyte of memory and priced at $850k-$3million+ isn't high end begs the question "Where does the high end start, then?".
Weise isn't a developer, he's a researcher at MS Research, who aren't the people writing Windows. And even if he were one of the people writing Windows, he could feel C++ is crap even though his job involved writing software in it - most of us don't agree with every decision made by our employers, and getting a job writing software in sensible languages isn't trivial.
Remember DVD? The video format that you couldn't record to that had unprecented consumer adoptment rates? That comes with a variety of copy prevention technology (encryption, Macrovision)? Doesn't seem to have hurt it much.
D&D does not come with a world (there are some deities in the core books, but that's mostly for illustrative purposes). Rolemaster does not come with a world. Big Eyes, Small Mouth does not come with a world. There are numerous other games that don't come with a world, either, those are just some of the ones I happen to have.
GURPS does, in fact, have far more game worlds published than any other RPG, and more supplements than anything except D&D/D20 and (maybe) the World of Darkness games.
If a publisher can't depend on people honouring intellectual property rights, why would they be able to depend on people honouring the terms of a contract? It's already illegal to violate copyright, a contract is not necessary. The only reason to add a contract would be to impose further restrictions not covered by copyright, such as claiming the book does not belong to the buyer or preventing the buyer from spreading information about the contents of the book.
It's highly unlikely that an x86 is going to be running PowerPC code faster than a PowerPC, and since MacOS X is only available as PowerPC binaries, I doubt Apple has much to fear from someone selling x86 machines running MacOS X.
Available for the JVM: Scheme, Basic, Logo, Prolog, Smalltalk, COBOL, Ada 95, Python, Ruby, Forth, Pascal, Modula-2, Oberon-2. To mention a few. There are many, many more, but these are the more well-known ones I could find easily and quickly. Some of them may be brain damaged, but I suspect most of them aren't.
That would be Scheme, not Lisp. They're not the same.
Neither Prolog nor SQL are functional languages, so using those as examples is rather silly. I'd like to know where you'd see SQL outside of databases, seems it would be rather a bad language for anything else (though I don't know much about SQL99, maybe the standards committee had delusions of grandeur).
There are a number of functional languages with quite respectable performance in good implementations, e.g. O'Caml, Standard ML (MLTon, smlnj), Scheme (bigloo, stalin for certain applications), and (though less functionally oriented) Common Lisp (CMUCL/SBCL, ACL),. They may not be quite as good as good C/C++ compilers, but they're not that far behind, either.
CMU CL does not, at any stage in the compilation process, generate intermediary C code. At least not that I've been able to see, and given that I've looked at the code generation, I'd be very surprised if it did.
Nor do SBCL, ACL, MCL, or LispWorks. There are a number of CL compilers that compile via C, such as GCL and ECLS, but you don't have to use those, there are lots of other choices.
As for the other languages, I am not sufficiently familiar with the compilers to say whether they use an intermediate C stage or not.
Start Mozilla. Start konqueror. Go to a page with a link in it in konqueror. Right click on the link, select copy link location, middle click somewhere in mozilla window. Result: mozilla opens that location pointed to by the link. Do the same in mozilla (except there it's "Copy link address"), middle click in konqueror. Result: konqueror opens the location pointed to.
Drag and drop between them doesn't work, though.
You don't need to talk to the slashdot community about this, you need to talk to the hardware vendors who are the people who can provide programmers with documentation and support, or even pay programmers to write the drivers just like they do for Windows.
No, they are not voting for it to be #1 on the list of best movies ever. They are rating it on a scale from 1 (awful) to 10 (excellent). Just because I give a movie a 10 doesn't mean it's the best movie I've ever seen. I've seen too many excellent movies (including LotR:FotR) for that to be the case.
Also note that IMDB is not claiming it's a list of the 250 best movies ever made, they're claiming it's a list of the 250 movies with highest scores as rated by their users. Being in the number one spot has nothing to do with anything but how highly IMDB users have rated the film.