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New Palm V and IIIx arrived in the stores!
Arrigo writes "Several people reported that the new Palm V and IIIx are available at some CompUSA stores.
More details (and pictures!) at:
Palmstation. Should I go get one? hmmmm...
" Methinks my trusty old PalmPro is officially due
to be replaced by a Palm V. Just gotta find one of these buggers
now.
Just got the Palm V at OfficeMax eariler today.
Cost about $440 but it was a well deserved upgrade
to my Pro. It kicks and it's so slim.
Ok, I probably sound like a fool, but what is the difference between the Palm IIIx and the Palm V. I've seen people with the Palm III, and I was considering buying one, but how much better is one than the other.
It looks like this doesn't have any features over the III that would entice me to actually go out and buy one. Now 64M, color and/or the ability to Run Linux, THAT would spark my interest...
at $400 wtf???
Ive seen adds for NEW P233mhz LAPTOPS for $799
now that is like 100x more powerfull than a palm and really, not that much more $$$
realisticly, a palm should cost $49 or $70 at most, meanwhile
do {
sleep();
until (price80);
Features tha would make me consider upgrading are:
- SmartMedia or CompactFlash storage
- color screen (for showing digital photos)
- personal Java support
- built-in audio recording/playback
I know, WinCE machines have those features, but they are also cumbersome and don't have a convenient UI.Well, maybe the next PalmPilot will do better.
The Palm V is not just slimmer, it's also smaller
by 1/4 inch each way. Very nice.
> Who would want Java on a Palm??? We want speed, not slow apps that require upgraded hardware!
I do. Java's not as slow as you think, and I want apps I can run on my desktop and PDA interchangeably.
2 months ago...
Naturally, I am once again behind the power curve.
Reminds me of last January, when my Pentium II
300 system arrived from VA. The day it was
delivered, the 333Mhz systems hit the market,
followed (by minutes, it seemed) by the 366,
400, and 450s.
*sigh*
When you bought you're modem, it was 56k flex. Then the v.90 came out. You're junk still worked on your ISP, but the ISP also supported v.90. What new functions were there? A law suit was settled = v.90. The palm 3x and P5, save 100 bux and get somthing that'll let u do the same junk.
PS--wouldnt it be cool to have freebsd on a palm pilot????
Me AND others have had HORRID experiences with them! Besides loosing orders, fucking up orders, shipping wrong things(and charging WAY too much for it) loosing tracking numbers, only being an 8-5 x 5 operation(and when you DO get through, their "servers are down at the moment")!!!
AND, they fucked up prices(lower than should have been) and then SCREWED the customers that believed they ordered them at that price!!!
AVOID that pile of SHIT! Support your local shops or small online vendors!!!
Ya know, with piercings getting very mainstream in young culture, cyborg implants shouldn't have much trouble finding acceptance.
--another geek with C++++ code
I'm interested in those qualcomm things that combines a palm with a cell phone. Now that's practical innovation!
Why?
Dont want no Mac...what else is there?
who else makes 'em?
Just went to www.linuxPPC... It stands for :)
Linux Power PC. I had thought it stood for
Linux PALMSIZE PC. Linux on a Palmsize PC would
be intresting.
Well, there's a version of Linux running on the Palm platform, but you have to get one of the spendy 8Meg expansion boards.... TRG makes the board, http://www.superpilot.com , as far as the Linux, uh, I forget. I think it's hosted at Ryerson U. in Canada....
That's interesting... I ordered a hard disk from them a few weeks ago based on the strength of a friend's recommendation... it arrived in perfect shape and seems to be a fine piece of hardware.
Ok, I have a Newton 2000. With this device, you write directly to the screen. Ive never had a problem of accidentally selecting a button when im trying to write. Usually, you are intelligent enough not to write on the control panel or tap the buttons that arent on the screen. The true reason for not doing it is most likely to make it cheaper. I want a palmpilot but its too simple for me, I love my newton but its not supported and too big. I'll see.
geoffeg
I slightly agree. It is expensiveish, but its also a newnewnew product. The price will drop a bit in a few weeks. Also, find me a laptop the size of the palm that has a fullsize keyboard and mouse. This is a PDA type device, not a laptop, they both have different uses. I dont intend to use Netscape and write presentations on my palm, I do intend to do that on a laptop. They both have niches to fill .
????
The Palm III already has hit $200 or so. Check out http://www.pdapage.com to get the lowest price. I've seen them for $199-$218 lately. Sadly, I bought mine a month ago for $250 and now I really want the IIIx if the new screen is as good as they say.
It's strange how different people's experience can be. I ordere my Palm III on a Thursday evening, and it shipped out the next day. UPS messed up and it got to me a day late, so buy.com refunded the difference between UPS ground and UPS Blue. I recommend them 100%. At the time they had the lowest price, and the service was great.
There was no Leisure Suit Larry 4(that was ever released), so 3Com skipped the Palm IV as a tribute.
With the new Palms looking that sweet I think it's time to update the logo for all Palm related news stories Taco, Hemos, or whoever sees this :)
Maybe a good poll idea if no one agrees with me??
To get devices as small as they are today requires surface-mount components and multi-layer boards. Most people aren't skilled enough with a soldering iron to mount SM components by hand. Further, someone would have to pony up the dough to get a board company to make up the PCBs, and then sell them to interested people.
What about the case? You're going to have a hard time making up something that's as small as the 3Com stuff.
What about all the other components? I've already touched on getting the PCB, but things like processors and the LCD glass are very pricey unless ordered in multi-thousand quantities.
It would certainly be possible to do, but it seems like it might not be worthwhile given the cost and logistical problems. What would almost be required is to develop the product, whip up the working prototypes, then contract with someone to actually manufacture it.
OK, here goes the geek opinion.
Good for new models (bad outweighs
good),
Palm 3:
no bootstap,no emulation;
Palm 5 and 3x: bootstap via serial,emul and hardware bps
Bad for new models chip capability,
Palm 3:
2 serial cont,static ram (fast),16 bit sound, 16Mhz;
Palm 5 and 3x: 1 serial cont, edo dram (slower), 8 bit sound,still 16Mhz
Of couse the palm dont use but 1 serial and no pcmcia, but it could have been designed to....also the grayscale capability is in the old and new processor...the EZ added to the new processor means stripped.
If you can do without the backlight and the slim design, the older palm pilot III is definetly the better of the lot. The newer models do have better display speed due to faster lcds
Randal aka Phant
I had good experiences buying from them. Excellent prices and timely shipping.
They even mailed me a free mouse pad the
other day.
True, they did screw up the thing with the
monitors, but those people KNEW it was a
screw up when they bought them. You could say
it's just as bad to take advantage of someone
that messed up.
BTW, if you forgot, the IIIx has 4M and is upgradeable.
(Update that pic.)
I've ordered things 2 times from BUY.COM, and both times everything has been great.
Yes, I ordered Palm III, pack of styluses, and CPU fan, and they came in 3 separate packages of humangous size (you could fit 3 cdrom drives in there), BUT, they only charged me $10 shipping TOTAL for all three packages.
Second time I ordered order came through in a couple days without any problems.
They DO have the best prices for most things. Go to shopper.com, and most of the time BUY.COM comes up first when you sort by price.
compuplus.com is pretty good, but they overcharge for shippinh.
I agree. And if your Palm-Phone breaks you are out two devices instead of one. I call that a pain in the butt.
It's not really a wast of screen space - the writing area is completely below the screen. There are no LCD elements under the writing area, only the touch membrane.
I still think having a space just to write in is a complete waste of valuable screen real-estate. I've heard they do it because writing directly on the screen will wear it out. There are plenty of palm-sized computing devices which you write directly on the screen... seems like a big waste :)
--
The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
While I certainly do like my PalmPilot Pro, and have used Palm products since they were first released, I've been sitting here thinking about these new Pilots this evening.
The decision I've been trying to make is whether or not to upgrade to a Palm V/IIIx, or to wait until the rumoured 'color' Pilots are released later in the year.
I'm essentially not happy with these new product offerings from 3COM. From my perspective, they are basically the same old thing, repackaged and made more 'sellable' from the same perspective as car manufacturers - in other words, they're using the same basic guts, but with 'luxury' accessories such as a metal case, rechargeable battery, or 'convenience' accessories such as extra RAM and expansion capabilities -but being produced and delivered in a MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE fashion! ARRRGGH!!
I've even thought about going over to the dark side and getting a WinCE machine. I could really use color for some of the applications I'm developing. WinCE just doesn't do it for me though, because I'd have to use more of the Win32 API than my decision at the beginning of the year to leave Win32 programming behind would allow.
I've been watching the Itsy stuff in hopes that it'll come out of the Digital/Compaq woodwork and be released as a product, but alas that's not looking like its going to happen any time soon.
So what we need is an OPEN DESIGN (software/hardware) project to develop a palm-held computer with *real* features. Make the *DESIGN* available, and let people pick their own part, based on rough guidelines.
This sort of concept has worked well in the past, and I have experienced it - I develop music software and run my own little studio, and last year I built an ASM1 analog synthesizer based on an Open Design, picking my own parts and getting it all working in just a few weeks. More info about the ASM1 can be found here, if any slashdott'ers are interested:
http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/ASM1/
Click the "Front Panel Design" link to get to the main info.
The point I'm making with the ASM1 project is that it *worked* as a fundamental OPEN project - Gene opened up his design for people to use in building an Analog Modular synthesizer, and many people have made them - some have contributed back to the design in area's that were lacking such as the front panel implementation, or additions/modifications that can be made to various modules to make interesting features available to the end-musician.
So why not something like this for a palm-based computing platform? People (such as a core section of the slashdot demographic) are getting more and more willing to deal with technology at a more intense level - though this project certainly wouldn't be for *everyone* - and as such, we could end up designing a more satisfactory platform for the end-user/hacker.
Anyway, I am personally willing to devote resources and time to a project with the goal to build the ultimate palm-based computer system for use by the hacking community to build and refine.
I know that there are some projects out there already that have started to get the Linux kernel running on interesting small, low-power platforms, and I will dig through my bookmarks and make a page of links to those projects.
These projects are useful and interesting - but what I foresee is a central site that someone could come to, download the plans, read the FAQ, get a shopping list of parts together, get it all together, build the system, and get help from a DIY-type community to get the final thing debugged and running.
Is this of *any* use at all? I know there are already sites out there that do this, but what we need is a central one that has links to all the references.
If you'd like to help, or have suggestions, send me e-mail with your advice/comments and I will pool it all together and get a basic web page running with the details... (use jv@teklab.com)
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
see above =]
Posted by Assmodeus:
i want one!
I have mixed feelings about buycomp. I, too, had to suffer a wait as they delayed my Hauppauge TV card. However, they sent me a giant mouse pad to make up for it. Of course, I use a Wacom tablet for input so this was a useless gift, but their heart was in the right place :) And their prices sure are nice...
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I've never had any problems either accessing their web site (although I prefer the text only version...the other one has too many images) or in their customer service. I will buy from them again and will recommend others to do so if that's where they can find the best price.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
seems Palm have refined the standard apps as well...(appUsage et.,al. if the shots are stock standard P4) notice the batttery now has a voltage reading (3.95v, my Palm3 runs at 2.83V when fully charged)...pity P4 mem cant be upgraded :(
http://www.palmstation.com/palmv/v_coveron.jpg
peterrenshaw ~ Another Scrappy Startup
Palm IIIx is more expandable. IIIx gives you all the advancements of the V except the Li-ION rechargeable battery and small size.
;-)
IIIx has an expansion slot. V can not be upgraded, or at least that's the official party line...
I just bought a Palm III and a Palm III Upgrade from them. I ordered after 5pm on Monday, they shipped them tuesday UPS ground ($12). UPS screwed up and delivered them to the wrong address on Wednesday then discovered the mistake on their own and delivered the package to me on Friday. It wasn't the absolute lowest price, but $219 and $50 plus $12 dollars shipping isn't bad.
I agree that I won't be buying a Palm IIIx or a Palm V, but just last week I upgraded my Palm Pro with the Palm III upgrade card for $50. There will probably be a Palm IIIx upgrade card, but it will probably be over $100. Just think of these new models as an opportunity to buy the older models cheap.
Anyone know it is possible for a trade in on the PalmPro or other palm pilot models?
Why did they skip 4 ?
I got my Palm III from http://www.buycomp.com/ and saved myself some money compared to Office Depot or similar stores. For example, they currently have the Palm III for $217.95. I don't see the Palm IIIx or Palm V listed yet, but they will be cheaper than the local electronics store when they get 'em.
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I got an LG Phenom H/PC (RRP 499UKP) for 230UKP a couple of days ago at Tottenham Court Road, London. That's roughly 300 dollars, give or take a bit. How do Palmpilots compare against WinCE2, 8Mb RAM, 16Mb ROM, built in software modem, pre-installed 3rd party fax & comms software, and a keyboard? I was considering getting a palm-like device (Nino? Palm V? Still undecided.)
Can anyone offer advice on this who has used a number of different H/PCs and P/PCs?
Does anyone know which one is best. I mean they
must be aimed at diffrent types of user. Is the plam V just really slimed down to look flash and the palm IIIx more "useful" so to speak..??
Just got my Palm III last week....$149!!!!
What do these new models do? I can't find any description or mention of it on the Palm Site...
-mark
If your computer says LINUX, run...computers can't talk! [unless you have text-speech software]
ClubComputer. I t was $199...then i had a nifty $50 rebate from 3com.
But....no one answered my question....What do the new models do? Is there some reference to them on palm.com that i missed?
-mark
If your computer says LINUX, run...computers can't talk! [unless you have text-speech software]
i've gotten like five emails about this....so i'll explain:
I got it for $199 from ClubComputer. I also got a $50 rebate from 3com for buy $100 worth of networking stuffs.
catches:
() You must join the Club at Cluubcomputer ($1 for 45 day)
() i think the price is now $219, but check back often
()as i said, you must buy other stuff for the rebate
Hope this clears everything up
mark
-mark
If your computer says LINUX, run...computers can't talk! [unless you have text-speech software]
Ummm.... Any PCI PowerMac can run LinuxPPC, and MkLinux can run on those as well as on many pre-PCI systems. I have LinuxPPC installed on my PowerCenter Pro right now, though I'm not actually running it at the moment. Linux isn't just x86, you know....
Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
I agree - comparing the Palm V with my trusty Palm Pro doesn't show enough of an improvement for me to want to spend $440 to upgrade. A new case, slightly better screen, rechargeable battery and extra 1Mb RAM (swoon!) just doesn't cut it for me.
;-)
Just my opinion (yeah, like anybody is listening anyway
The gift of death metal does not smile on the good looking.
Where are you seeing these amazingly cheap laptops, if I may ask.
Its the Form factor and the UI/apps you are paying for. If price were the only issue, I would say that I could get an emachine for $500.
Once again, it isn't screen real estate. It is the text input area. It can't display anything.
They bring down prices on old models to the point where you can get them for $149.
You forgot your trailing curly brace. You
will never be able to compile your code
without it. You should also change the
exit condition to a less than of equal to.
Presumably you would want to buy a PDA if
the price were less than $80.
It should read :
do {
sleep();
} until (price = 80);
In fact you might be better off with a while
loop. The do loop presupposes that no PDAs
currently exist at a price of $80. If you
executed your code you might find yourself
sleeping needlessly (I wonder if that is my
problem). Anyway you should try something like this:
while (price sleep(1);
}
P.S. I have assumed that you were meaning $80.
you should add some comments to remove confusion
over currency type. You may even want to go so
far as to define a "LegalTender" object to take
care of all monetary conversion.
Several people have asked why the Palm V is interesting.
/. virginity. First post, of a sort.)
I want one, and I want it for one reason: it'll actually fit
in my shirt pocket. I probably won't use it for anything
that my old PPP ro won't do, but it'll actually fit in my
shirt pocket.
(Hey, I just lost my
K<bob>
I want a Palm V!
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This also looks interesting, it's a "disk on chip" thing: http://www.advantech.com/epc/products/pcd2000.htm
What the...? I think I saw a penguin...
I too have had a terrible experience with Buycomp with an order as simple as a null ethernet cable. I'm at school and away from most of the world and nowhere near any sort of computer store. My attempt to crimp a crossover cable failed, so I turned to buycomp - the prices were very low. I placed my order, and was told it would ship in 2-3 days. I didn't get it. About three WEEKS later I got an email saying that the cables were backordered - what?!?! I emailed asking to cancel the order, and then they told me that they couldn't, because it had ALREADY shipped!! I called up customer support and was greeted hostily. I finally got my cable about a month and a half after I ordered it. I would not be surprised if the "happy customer" who started this thread is actually affiliated with Buycomp. Don't order from Buycomp - It's just not worth the hassle. On the other hand, onsale.com's atCost seems like a pretty good deal, though I've never ordered from them.