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Keynotes on Real Audio
C|Net Radio is at Linuxworld Expo, and they have now the keynotes
in Real Audio. First is Dr. Michael
Cowpland, President & CEO, Corel Corporation, who talks about Wine and Quattro, Word Perfect, and the Second is Mark Jarvis, Senior Vice President of
Worldwide Marketing, Oracle, who speaks about Oracle 8i and Linux. The third Real Audio clip will be Linus speaking about Linux on past, present and future and it will be at 6:30 PM (clip will be posted a bit later, and information
can be found here. I hope ZDNet will have clips with higher sound quality (and maybe Video), but currently they don't have anything yet (you can check it here for updates). Enjoy.
Update: 03/03 12:08 by CT : Linus also broke the keynote attendance record- it
was Steve Jobs with 6,000. Linus had 7,000.
Hi,
Does anybody have a application that could play real audio streams on LinuxPPC?
I would hate to switch back to MacOS just to hear Linus.
It just tells me I need to download a newer version of the player.
Of course, the newer version does not run on Linux.
Kind of ironic, I think.
How come the Windows version of RealPlayer 5.0 plays this but the 5.0 version for Linux complains?
dunno about RealAudio...try compiling icecast @ http://icecast.linuxpower.org/
I'm using redhat 5.2 & Kde 1.1, I have realplayer 5.0 installed and working properly but it won't work with these newer realplayer streams. So where do I get something that will work with this?
How come Linuxworld is getting such good keynote speakers while the Linux Expo (may 18-22) is looking so sucky?
So many people having problems with Real Audio. Can't say much here....Don't even have it installed. Where can I get it for Redhat 5.2, running 2.2.2 kernel? ANyway maybe someone will dl the whole ram file and convert it to something like mp3 or maybe we can get a high quality mp3 of it :)
Natas
http://www.mp3.com/pedophagia
New music made with Linux using SLab
People need to figure out that RealPlayer for Linux absolutely blows, and I mean it blows HARD. XForms is something you only wish upon horrible enemies.
Where?
I had to reboot into Wind-blows 98 to use Real audio to listen to these clips. When will Real get with the bloody game and give us a useable client!?!?
incidentally, has anyone had success using the Windows G2 player in Wine? mine GPFs after playing the first "note" of the welcome theme. the trace seems to indicate that its in one (or more) of the mixerOpen()/mixerGetLineInfo() functions... thanks! i'd try to help out if i knew anything about C hardware programming and wasn't already so steeped in Perl... 8)
That may be true, but all I know is that I can listen to some sweet, not-found-in-stores music from sites that dish out really quality streams. Check out astralwerks (some excellent fatboy slim live mixes) and the betalounge (ok, when their Real Server is back up) for some 40 bps stereo candies.
Damn, so much for this high tech stuff.
Can't get squat. hehe..
func_flame(float bait)
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Wonder, if a Server has been overwhelmed to hear
Bill Gates speak....
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I'm here. this is killer. I'm so stoked I'm reverting to my teenager vocabulary. Linus is just too kool a person. And I'm actully here.
teasea@linuxworld
I have real audio working with 2.2.1, Debian 2.1 (frozen version). I used the rvplayer package (which uses the Redhat rvplayer version).
.class files needed.
To get Netscape working I also had to download the vanilla Linux version to get the
No, the not-for-free version of RealAudio doesn't allow you to save the audio to the hard drive...that only depends of if the content provider allows it to happen or not.
BTW, I did pay more for the RealAudio and it still doesn't help. But then I really don't blame them...CNET is usually the source of bad audio quality from past experience.
Damn why cant we save these streams!!
Well, I fought for about an hour to get Netscape 4.5 to run the Real Audio 5.0 software. Pathetic ... so I switched to NT 4.0 and was up listening to this audio in about 5 minuts. I love Linux, but we need to improve.
Yeah. RealPlayer 5.0 doesnt work problemly with my 2.2.x kernel.. will work if you dont sneeze
but any interruptions - even with the reaplayer
wrapper made to fix the problem for the 2.1.xxx
series kernels.
I wish they'd release a fixed version or
the long long long awaited (did I state long?) arrival of the G2 player for linux..
I thought it was Xforms because of some of the mouse pointers... oh well...
It really isn't relevant. The simple fact of the matter is that the interface for Linux RealPlayer blows.
Hmmm, I click on the link, save the .ram file to disk, and then launch the realplayer from a shell. It'd be nice to just click the link and have everything else happen automatically but this works and I'm sure the situation will improve in the future.
rvplayer, then pulldown file, open location,3 6
enter this:
pnm://audio.cnet.com/1999/03/02/lwce03.ra/28_8.
I didn't get that one until you pointed out to me! I was at the conference. hehe
Funnie!
Remember those days when we read ascii texts? I want the keynote as TEXT. No, my realplayer doesn't work and I don't want it to work because it sucks.
Jarvis political incorrectness pleases me.
It is so pleasing to hear a major player
laugh at MS(not that I don't like them, but...)
Oracle is really looking to takeover the Net!
Gotta know.
can anyone get me one of the Compaq "Linux: live free or die" license plates? I'd pay to get one shipped to up north :)
rick
richarda@planet.eon.net
Sure it's not Motif? It has the same problem with menu selection with numlock on that Motif apps have.
you can have flashy videos and 3d shit
but nothing that works for normal people with crap computers, slow connections,
deafness, blindness, hearing impairment, etc.
oh well i guess linux never mattered that much anyways
I guess he's gone back on the pronounciation
he declared in the famous WAV file, "Lean-ux"?
I have problems listening to broadcasts from
news.com in general until I changed the transport
to TCP - NOT UDP in the preferences!
I am listening to it as I type! I love Linux!
Why the fuck does someone have to ask this every time a Real Audio file is linked on Slashdot?
Are you people too stupid to read the documentation?
I long for the days when people who used Linux knew what they were doing. Now Linux users seem to be a bunch of retards who like Linux because it's "31337" and because KDE and E are "pretty".
See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes. It holds the cure.
slashdot broke my sig
This is RealNetworks' problem, not Linux's.. I'm annoyed that Real hasn't put out a new G2 player for Linux (RealPlayer 5.0 is pretty unstable)
:-/ )
Of course, the configuration of MIME types and whatnot is a little more difficult on Linux than it is under Windows (it doesn't automatically prompt you for the type..), but if you take 5 minutes to think it through and learn it, it's not too terrible.. (unfortunately, it's highly undocumented, so you spend an hour just to find the info to spend 5 minutes reading
Just to add something positive to this mess...
I run Debian potato (2.2 unstable) with
2.2.2 kernel and a sb awe32...
Works like a charm if You ask me...
-- No, no -- Not that one!
I've read that rvplayer 5.0 has a bug that prevents it from working correctly with the 2.2.x kernel. They say there is some kind of workaround, could someone post it?
Tester
tester@videotron.ca
Is this the CNet of download.com/software.com/shareware.com/computers. com/browsers.com fame, the CNet of Amiga BBS Software fame, or a different CNet?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
slide 1
slide 2
What's the workaround?
I've got a 2.2 kernel and real audio doesn't work.
-randy
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to include /usr/lib/rvplayer according to 'set | more'.
.ram file.
The links are made to in the Netscape configuration.
rvplayer starts up when I click on a
That's all. silence. No attempt to download or play the file. No PPP traffic. nothing.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
Their player is the worst, and their support is the worst.
Real audio is a secret and proprietary format. You pay because you listen at the pleasure of the company that controls that format. You pay because the servers and encoders are not free, so whoever is sending to you has to charge. You pay in aggravation caused by buggy software that you can't fix and that is never up to date.
Real Networks is not a charitable organization. They can be found on the nasdaq stock exchange, symbol RNWK. I have no objection to them trying to make money, what I object to is how much they and their products suck. There are free alternatives out there, but people who should know better persist in patronizing this format.
Anyone having a player for:
- HP/UX 10.20
- GNU/Linux/68K
- GNU/Linux/AXP
- NetBSD/68K
The fine part about proprietary software is that
you only get it for mainstream platforms, i.e.
Windows, Mac and maybe GNU/Linux/i386 (and in
case of RA, SGI)
I really hope the FreeAmp MP3/RTP project will
be a usable free alternative to this RA crap.
-- Jochen
Its a shame that I can't get real aiudio to work...
--- Linux... a college project gone horribly right
Everyone get off C|Net so I can hear Linus! Yeesh!
--
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
A lot of people seam to have problems with their RealAudio player.
On my (redhat 4.0!!! , kernel 2.0.36) box, It works just fine.
I'm currently on another system (that does not have a RV-player), so this is 'of the top of my head',
but what does help is that you change the 'transport' from 'let the system choice best' to 'manual choice' and only enable TCP-streaming.
Otherwise, you get a lot of 'server disconnects'
At the end of linus' speech, he seams to show a slide with 'funny remarks'. (Well, we do hear everybody laughing).
Does anybody present at the conference care to send us these remarks so we can enjoy them too?
What difference does it make whether your hands are tied, when your swords are too big, slow and flawed to be of any use against your opponent's rapier?
In my view, Microsoft is in no way hamstrung from competing. They're just behaving like a driver with the police behind them, and (for once) obeying the law. If they can't win "the battle" within the law, they have no right to the market.
But I suspect you knew this, anyway. ;^)
Kythe
(Remove "x"'s from
Kythe
When I complain to windows users about making audio files available by Real Audio instead of mp3, the line I get is that there is a free Real Audio encoder for windows, but no good free mp3 encoder. Does anyone know of a pointer to a good free mp3 encoder for Windows, that works well at low bitrates (BladeEnc's one weakness)?
- Sam
The secret to enjoying Slashdot is to realize that it should not be taken too seriously.
Coming from the OS/2 world, I can assure you that Wine is a bad idea and nobody in the Linux world should accept a Windows app that has been linked with Wine.
It simply becomes a quick and dirty way for companies to give us software that works the way Windows works (hot keys, etc.) and generally even less reliably if that's possible.
* As is generally the case, my opinions do not reflect those of my employer.
I am running rvplayer version 5 under the 2.2.1 kernel without any problems after patching the rvplayer to fix the problem created by the workaround for 2.0.3x kernel...
Although I had a few problems with the stream timing out, it seems to be a little better now...
Rob or somebody sitting there... PLEASE upload the 'jokes' from that slide! We want to know what everyone was laughing about!
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Signature illegible, could be somebody else.
I've been disconnected 3 times in the last 5 minutes with "Server too busy" errors!
Not "Net Congestion" errors.
Go Rob, you lucky dog! Wish I was there.
And here he is a little further on down the road
http://www.widomaker.com/~cswiger/roadkill.jpg
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Take 2
And here he is a little further on down the road
RoadKill
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
What fun it would be to be seeing them in person... I sure hope you all lucky enough to be at the show are having a great time!
I love this man!!! :D
At one point Linus puts up some kind of slide with a bunch of questions on it that causes everyone to start laughing. He says something like "I'm not going to read these out loud" and "these are jokes, but they're serious at the same time"
What did they say?
W
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
about the future of linux. He's a real heads-down kinda guy. Someone needs to put up a Transcript - some of his lines were really good. I'd like to be able to quote him, but I'd just like to be accurate...
The most important thing to me that he mentioned was that it is important that we look beyond the hype - and focus on how we are all going to help linux continue to evolve. I personally want to go back to actively supporting Samba and Kde. I currently have good contact with IBM, so I hope to work with them too.
- wilkinsm
I get to hear about 20-some seconds and then the server boots me! Can someone post it in .ra instead of this damned .ram format? Thanks in advance.
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The glorious meept is worried. Some bad things are happening. There is a lot of support for linux, and Microsoft appear to have their hands tied at the moment. It appears temporarily that Microsoft is losing the battle because it cannot fight.
The Meept therefore requests that you all send him one dollar to meept@yahoo.com. Somehow. This is to enable meept to better help Bill Gates who is the Ally McBeal of us professional employed workers.
However, the meept doesn't want to appear selfish, and so will leave you all with a poem.
My bed is like your
Big and Flat
The end.
MEEPT!!
5.0 works for me. Redhat 5.2. Kernel 2.0.36. /usr/lib/Real.
I downloaded an rpm from real.com. Had to change
LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include
Now, if I could get more to listen to more than a
minute w/o a "server disconnected"...
I've been having problems getting rvplayer to work on my linux box. I keep getting "****audio: write error: 64 bytes errno:" type errors. I went searching for help on dejanews, and I read a post that said this problem is due to a bug that rvplayer has on linux 2.2.* machines---that realnetworks exploited a bug in the linux 2.0.* kernels that has been closed in the 2.2.*
series. Has anyone had similar problems, or (better yet) has anyone gotten it to work on current kernels?
Thanks,
-eldamitri