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Open Group spawns X.Org
Branden Robinson writes "The Open Group has created a new sub-organization, X.Org, to hold stewardship of the X Window System. X.Org will be a membership organization similar to the old I2O group, with open membership but voting restricted to paying members, and rules for expulsion of members. Check out their site and this NewsAlert story for more. "
ftp.x.org is older than that. IIRC, x.org didn't
used to belong to the open group. Maybe the record dates
from the changeover.
x.org is more than a decade old. The X Consortium used to be there _before_ The Open Group took over. ftp.x.org has _always_ been the master site for X. I guess TOG just found out what a valuble resource they were sitting on. (duh!)
Steinar
These "open group" guys are not very open. Has
anyone else ever tried to use the DCE 1.2 code?
The do provide a download of the source code
but it almost impossible to compile? I tried for
6 hours and gave up after fixing at least 100
bugs in the overly complex build process.
They also do not let people give away compiled
versions of the code so that you will be forced
to buy a copy of the precompiled code they sell.
These people inflicted Motif and CDE on us. I was hoping they'd keep that silly licensing issue the way it was so that the world would realize just how much they sucked and contribute to XF86 instead.
Maybe the world just just realize how much they suck and contribute to XF86 instead.
I see, instead of using an open development model X-Windows is run by a bunch of companies who all have their hands in Microsoft's pockets (for the most part that is).
:) PC's running Linux or *BSD* aren't the only machines on the planet running X.
:)
While Linux and alike champion open source software, I feel it is equally important to work in an open environment instead of this silly closed development model X-Windows has taken.
Sure, you can modify window managers which sit ontop of X, or toolkits which applications use... but just try adding new features to X itself and see how well it goes or modifying existing features in X (that would break standards that is).
And don't give me that, "you can add it to xfree86" crap
Of course, I'm slightly biased on this topic
--
The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
> >don't have a pdf reader available...)
Do you have 'gv'? It's primariliy a Postscript viewer but can read PDF as well. You'd have to download the PDF file of course.
It isn't new. The Open Group has owned the domain name for some time.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
In light of the Open Source/Free Software movement, maybe there should be a way for people who contribute source code (rather than paying money) to be voting members. This way non-profit entities like the XFree86 group can get involved without worrying about coming up with the funds.
Free Software: the software by the people, of the people and for the people. Develop! Share! Enhance! Enjoy!
Shurely shome mishtake.
Chris Wareham
I thought that IANA reserved all the one-letter second-level domains under .com, .net, and .org. Whois seems to verify this for all the other one-letter domains... Why's the Open Group getting special treatment?
Interesting to note is that all the engineers from The X Consortium have now been gone for almost a year, as TOG gets around to "doing something" with X.
My last month at TOG was working on the X Project Team. It gives me an interesting point of view, as AFAIR the new license was being driven by the corporate sponsors of the XPT (most of those companies you mention above), because they felt they were paying the development costs so that other companies (i.e. Linux distributors like RedHat) could "ride for free".
Too bad TOG melted down and disvolved the last part of OSF when they did, as a source release of Motif was in the works at the time!
Sheesh. Anyone thinking TOG is getting special treatment WRT x.org is just dating themselves as "Internet newbies". x.org belonged to the X Consortium right from when it spun out from MIT. That's nearly 10 years by now. The 1997 date reported by whois is only the time the record was created as belonging to TOG.
And, long before "The Slashdot Effect", the Internet trembled at whims of "The X Effect", which took place whenever a new release of X was made. It generally caused no end of routing havoc as links were saturated with X tar balls for days on end.
No so weird. x.org was registered before it was policy not to give out single-letter domains.
...Back in the days there were plenty of good domain names...
And they've been paying their bill for the domain every since.
this is new.... and really the only one I found...every other $char.dom I checked was marked as a reserved domain...wierd....
I've been only slightly involved with this.
Comments below are my personal opinion, and
are do not reflect either Compaq's or X.org's
position.
Several things of note:
1) the traditional UNIX vendors have not been
happy with The Open Group's stewardship of X;
this is mostly extricating X from TOG's grasp.
Shall we say that the copyright change TOG did last year upset them as much as anyone in the Linux community?
2) Current members are listed at: http://www.x.org/current_members.htm.
It includes: Compaq, HP, Hummingbird, IBM, SGI,
Sun, Astek, Attachmate, Barko, Jupiter Systems,
MetroLink, MITre, Peritek, Sequent, Shiman, Siemens, Starnet, WRQ, Xi Graphics.
3) I think the X Consortium registered X.org
before there were any restrictions on name length.
If you are interested in the future of X and
attending Linux Expo, you may want to attend the
BOF Thursday evening...
- Jim Gettys
I wonder if they'll sign anyone. (I also wonder where the money goes, but don't have a pdf reader available...)
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Registrant:
The Open Group ( X57-DOM)
Apex Plaza, Forbury Road
Reading, Berks RG1 1AX
UNITED KINGDOM
Record last updated on 01-Mar-99.
Record created on 18-Jan-97.
According to all the other single letter domains, they were registered in 1993.. So, the original question stands, why do these guys get special treatment?
#(!*$&%)@)@#(! politics...
In '91 I recall x.org as being an
"old and established" domain. It
was always used as "the 3 letter ping target"
that we used to test that a network
could talk to the world.
Based on my old Xlib programming manual
that I have on the shelf it was probably
registered ~1988. Before I was hacking X.
garyr
your web browser is Ronald Reagan - Neil Stephenson
-- your Web browser is Ronald Reagan
It was my understanding that Single Letter/Single Number domain names were "reserved".....
How can www.X.org have www.X.org?
Anybody???
read more rants: thunt.net
executive listed as:
Compaq, HP, hummingbird, IBM, SGI, SUN
premier members:
ASTEC, ATTACHMATE, Barco, JupiterSystems, Mitre, peritek,Sequent, Shiman Assoc, Siemens, starnet, WRQ,Xi Graphics
associate members:
i admit there wer none listed