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Chris DiBona wrote
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of Linus' talk over at the BALUG. Lots of pictures and
a good summary of the talk. Worth a gander.
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He was supposed to be in Ottowa, Canada early this week. What's more important? A meeting of the major Linux distros to decide the future direction and ultimate unification of all the Linux package variants or some uZ3r 6r00p meeting on the left coast?
And last, but not least, he told us what transmeta does: Cool stuff
So... what did he say?
...Sam Ockman (again).
If any of you ever get the chance to meet Sam, I think you'll agree with me that he is probably the only guy on the Linux bandwagon that knows how to make money of Linux without trying to pervert FREE software (notice I didn't say "open source")
A) It's a Ferrari
No, it's not.
I met him at Linux Expo '99 in Raleigh. Nice guy, very quiet. It is easy for him to fade into the background (but not while he's driving that fabulous looking car I'll bet)
his haircut, his fannypack, his devil-may-care countenance
Balug did a good job. Among other things, they learned how to handle several hundred hungry people who are tired of standing in line.
And no, Table 35, will NOT move, thankyouverymuch.
(And we didn't! pppthhhbbbbttt!!!!)
The usual AC here this time from post socialistic country in Europe. (Be afraid of commies, Americans, yes, this is a flame).
PS: do you really need bigger seats in public transport because you don't fit anymore in these "tiny" ones?
...we eat European tourists (but not the French... we do have to have some standards).
You mention you are from an eastern block country so you may not understand that when you don't have to stand in line for half a day and pay a weeks wages for a stale loaf of bread, you tend to eat things that taste good and get fat.
The other phenomenon in America is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. People are supposed to feel good about being fat because their true beauty is on the inside (barf). And to call someone fat is a bad thing.
Yes, I am fat. Not as fat as that bloated pig Chris DiBona but chubbier than Linus, yes.
If you look through his pictures on his site, you'll see that he drives a Mazda.
At one time he had a few pictures of the red car and the linux plate, and you could clearly see that they were taken at a car dealership.
On Marc's appearance, he's a nice enough looking guy, and he does a excellent job or writing up show happenings and taking pictures.
I think he kinda looks like Mike Myers. Should have him do some Austin Powers get-up ads for Linux. Grooovy baby!
Cushy, high paying, software engineering jobs lead to well stocked refrigerators, lots of free time to sit and code, lots of work time to sit and code, and other (physical) work is done by underlings.
I did. I gained 48 lbs in 8 months. I used to play basketball at least 3 times a week but here I spent 8-16 hours every day in front of a computer and no exercise at all. Now I weigh 220 lbs (I am 6'3" so it does not look as bad as it sounds) and my wife just told me that if I did not loose 20 lbs quick she would leave me : )
Welcome to the states.
A) It's a Ferrari
bzzzt. thank you for playing.
B) It's got a Bad Ass license Plate
However, you're right on this one. you still get the consolation prize.
I for one don't care that Linus went to babel too a bunch of fat geeks! I'm not sure that anyone is interested, the story is always the same. Here's an example of a typical story:
Linus talks about releasing Kernal 2.2.2xx next week!
I like the progress that Linux is making, i think there is a future for Linux on the Desktop. No I don't think that RedHat will hurt the open source movement.
Now someone prove that this summary is incorrect, good luck.
the problem is that even though you can create 64-bit files on NT, you still can't mmap them all into the same address space. Linux on Alpha/UltraSparc can mmap that 100GB file right into a tiny piece of your processes's VM.
p.s. regarding your audio/video stuff for Linux: YOU ROCK!
why would you say he has no friends? The guy seems pretty cool. And how the HELL would you know about his sex life? And why would you care on top of that? Sex ain't everything, if its THAT big of a thing to you you must lead a pretty empty life: as empty of a life as a fancy car and no friends.
the new K7 motherboards which are alpha compatible will reduce this further. look for em soon.
cool stuff=research.ibm.com/vliw
bah. i wanted to run linux on my 64 processor origin 2000. now he tells me 16 processors is the max. At least linux should support 256 since a lot of systems are going to be coming with that option soon (2005+)
Wrong. It depends on the problem.
Not every problem is clusterable. What is it
with Linux people who think everything in the
world can be solved by Beowulf?
Please go back to computer science class children.
And how much better can SMP get? I'll tell you. I have a cluster of 8 $2000 dual processor Solarisx86 boxes, and the performance on Oracle, NFS, my threaded web servers and mail servers destroys Linux. I have another two identical machines running Linux 2.2 and I get mucher lower transaction throughput.
Not to mention with Solaris, I have better RAID support, fibrechannel, veritas file system, logical volume management, etc.
It's depressing to see all of these people glutting out. Park that car and go for a walk once in a while.
So why no "summary" of the 64-bit development work that accidentally came out Chris? That's what _you're_ working on isn't it???
Wow, on one hand I feel bad for the poor guy whose photo inspired this conversation. On the other hand, this is the funniest discussion I've read in a long time. Americans are fat because (unlike, say, in Norway) there isn't enough snow in most areas to cross country ski wherever you want to go.
...but at least we BATHE.
Remember, Euroboy, cologne != soap & water.
Your mastery of the english language ceases to amaze me.
Besides penguin sh*t is high in protein;-)
Finally. Someone who makes sense. I think the lard might truly be our downfall. I cooked a fair amount of bacon mid last week. It was good. However, the next morning as I was going to throw out the jar of fat that had been cooked off the bacon, I caught a whiff of it. It smelled like.. FRESHLY COOKED BACON! I have been living off it for a couple days now and besides the fact that it makes me want to sleep a lot, and it makes me FAT, I have never been happier.
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Damn straight. And wealth also attracts women. Sure, when they're kids, I've learned that chicks dig jerks, until they grow up and figure out that that "cool guys" can't afford things like a home or provide for a family. Then they are drawn to the geekier guys. And that's ok because they soon learn that we really aren't all that geeky after all. Do I hate the cool guys for giving me a hard time and the women for ignoring me back then. Nah. I'm happy now. The best revenge is living well.
If you're that concerned about throughput, why the heck are you running Solaris on *PCs*?
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Get your fresh, hot kernels right here!
What's cheaper for getting a 64 bit fs: getting a 64 bit PC or installing Win NT? Linux bails out at 0x3fffffff bytes or 3 minutes of video, whichever comes first. Don't give me an anecdote. Give me a price.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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They are the users, hackers, et al that have made linux what it is today. Where was Corel when Linus posted his v0.x kernel code to USENET? Where were all these distros when there was no v2.x kernel? If they don't like it, perhaps they should arrange to meet with him, at his convenience instead of their own.
Linus has got his head on straight. He knows that linux goes nowhere, no matter how many or how few distros there are or what they do, without the grass root support that has brought it this far. Perhaps you should attempt to emulate him rather than criticize him.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
- W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
Oh, me too!! (Damn funny!)
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
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America is one of the few places in the world with a culture that absolutely, positively encourages people to be greedy. They never really develop control over those impulses. And though that overwhelming urge to have "more" is supposed to be directed towards money, property, etc., it inevitably extends to things like hamburgers, chocolate bars, etc. The brain doesn't make the distinction.
fish and pipes
That's for a 533Mhz 21264-based computer (yes, computer: everything but monitor) from Microway. You could probably go under $2000 if you looked harder, but in any case we're already talking prices low enough to make the NT Tax noticeable, and low enough to make the NT Maintenance Tax* and Code Maintenance Tax* the major factor in your purchasing decision.
*NT Maintenance Tax: cost of crashes/downtime, plus the cost of either hiring either an admin dull enough to want NT or an admin pricy enough to accept it anyways
*Code Maintenance Tax: the money you'll be paying expensive programmers someday to fix the kludges you used to try and use 64-bit addressing on a 32-bit system, when you eventually do upgrade to a 64-bit processor.
Cars and TV.
The only exercise most American's get is the twice-daily trot between the front steps to the car door.
When not working, most Americans are at home watching TV. The only thing that can distract us from the sparkly moving colors on the screen is the growling of our own stomachs. These gastric tantrums can only be kept at bay by a steady stream of starch and lard-based food items. In many cases, you can substitute the TV with a computer screen and attain similar results.
Come to America! Join us!
You'll adjust in no time, and soon have your own couch creaking like a frigate on the high seas.
**>>BELCH
We have a tendency to let ourselves go (not me - I run all this time). Especially women. It's disgusting, but most americans don't exercise at all.
To make matters worse, that was California. It's really gross in places like Louisiana where EVERYONE is simply freaking huge.
support gun control: take guns from cops
Actually if you look at the picture it's a laborgini Diablo....
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!" - The Tick, The Tick
s/ferrari/lamborghini
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A) It's a Ferrari
B) It's got a Bad Ass license Plate
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On to the other parts of the article...
Linus is looking at 8, maybe 16 CPUs, but not 256 or 512 CPUs. After 16 CPUs or so, he prefers to look at clustering because a lot of hardware, especially PC hardware, wasn't designed for such scalability anyway.
Efficent clusters can make good use of multiple nodes with multiple CPUs. You won't necessarily need a 200 node system with each node having 200 processors (although that would be SWEET). You could just as easily have 200 nodes, each with 16 CPUs. You have to balance necessity with realism.
For now, he doesn't have a list of what he will allow in 2.4. At this point, performance and USB are the main focus and we'll see afterwards.
USB support would be good, but I'm still not sold on the principle of USB. As for performance, I'm not sure how much further it can go (although, I DO believe in Linus and the Linux Development team). 2.2.X achieved a TREMENDOUS performance leap over 2.0.3X. If we see another one of those jumps, I'd be thrilled.
While the penguin was announced as a 2.0 mascott at the beginning, there's no plans for a new mascott for linux 3.0
Why the fsck do we need a new mascot?!?!?
Just some thoughts, rants, etc..
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We might actually get more than 10 people to show up to a meeting if he did...
maybe if we ask real nicely-like...
That's the official company line. If you ask Linus what Transmeta does he says "Cool stuff".
chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
I'd NEVER get away with a comment like that even if I really was tired...
But thats the diffrence between beening Vice press and botching it badly on the first ellection.
What can I pretend to have invented....
Hehe anyway it's a kicker no matter what brand name vehical it is.
I say lets rase funds to buy ESR and RS simmlerly cool transports...
GNU open hardware Starship perhaps?
Can I make the warp drive?
I don't actually exist.
Is the site _already_ down? Mirrors? Cached pages?
The day Transmeta give some informations about what they are doing this could be a cool motto for slashdot. No????
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
Who ever you are .. I want to be you. I want to be just like you.. consider yourself envied. I want to be able to drive to work, (linux related of course) pimpin in my bad ass red car with I love linux on the plates.
:)
Dude what I wouldn't give to be you.
$80k for a lamborgini was tempting, but I'll get the house first. In the meantime, you can still have fun with gimp.
Marc Check before and after
Having been to the zoo recently, I'd have to disagree, unless the maggots are a big factor (the zoo people clean up too fast). The aroma of Penguin droppings dominated by herring.
Linux smells like hot plastic. At least that's the change in the way my computer room smelled after I installed it. But then I realized my HP DeskJet 500c was overheating because I was leaving the whole system on all the time. With the printer turned off, Linux has a scent too subtle for my defective sinuses to detect.
Fear my wrath, please, fear my wrath?
Homer
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I am glad to hear about what Linus talked about. As others posted here before, the faster stable kernel deployment will be good for us "Joes" and distros. One new thing I am glad to have learned is USB support. I could really care less about it but I see its significance and I realize others really like it.
I really should get off my duff and attend some kind of Linux gathering or show. I could have gone to some L.U.G.s but the ones in my area were on Friday nights... I can't swing with that.
-Clump