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wrote in with prove that there will never be a shortage of
new distributions. This one is called
stormix and its based on
Debian, but has assorted advanced installation tools.
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Which operating system is better - RedHat or Debian?
This is getting way out of hand people. How many distros are there now? Let's see... Right off the top of my head there is RedHat (the best, IMHO), Slackware, Debian, SuSE, Caldera, Mandrake, Power Linux (or something), McLinux, YARD and now this one.
We will never defeat Microsoft unless we all pull together and focus our energy!
And i'm still looking for a distro mainly for programming. I've used mainly Redhat and Slackware. Redhat comes with actually more development tools (and more up-to-date/beta stuff) but I like Slackware better. I would love to see a distro like (or even based on) Slackware but with more development stuff (java, compilers for other languages, commonly used gfx. libraries etc.).
I could ofcourse build my system from scratch (source) but that would take too much time.
I suspect that what they mean is something similar to a project that I work on (on and off :) ) -- making an easy, sane way to get information from the user. Like dialog but more intelligent (hence, my project is called "Discourse" :) )
:) )
From what I've seen of theirs, though, it's just a scripting language with lots of support for the widget set, which is nice but (IMO) the Wrong Way[tm] to do this. The important thing, most of the time, is the information being presented to the user or retrieved from the user, and so I use something like the following:
dialog foo("PPP configuration")
{
boolean bar("Use PPP",true)
boolean frobozz(description="Autodial")
}
The sticking point for me is cases where imperative programming is *needed* -- eg, option X should disable option group Y when it's enabled. I'm trying to decide whether to give access to some sort of scripting language (breaking the purity of the scheme) or somehow use attributes to specify this (introducing lots of special cases)
This isn't a programming language or even a way to replace a programming language, just a way to generate dialog boxes automagically. (kind of like Emacs' Customize menu only different
Daniel
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more since they've added their own experimental extensions to our packages. But there probably aren't many more.
:)
I'm not aware, though, of a great number of exploits available against Debian; if you know of any please file Important or Grave level bug reports
You're probably safe.
Daniel
It's "like" Slackware, but is more appealing to hackers. Tons of devtools, libraries, etc.
"Distribution" is just the euphemism employed by Linux freaks to avoid the reality that these are fragmented, diverse, variant operating systems.
Heh. Just give me XForms, and I'll be *happy*. Simple callback model, *easy* GUI layout... it's nice for producing a decent GUI tool in an afternoon if you don't need featuritis.
(*gawd* the AWT makes me twitch)
A new distribution is hardly going to hurt the other ones. It can only lead to new ideas. A new distribution will adopt the best features of the others and, hopefully, improve on them. The other distributions will adopt any improvements by the new, etc.
Linux, unlike Windows, is very dynamic and alive. It is evolving at a phenomanal rate. For evolution to be successful you need new mutations, new genes, new blood. If a mutation is harmful it will rapidly die. This can only mean that the mutations useful to the fitness of the species will survive.
The problem of inbreeding is not limited to Alabama. It is also applicable to software systems such as Windows and political parties such as the Democrats and Republicans.
Linux is not UNIX but rather it is a "UNIX like" system. UNIX is to Linux as the Neandrethals are to Homo Sapiens. Without the Neandrethals we would not be here to create Linux which could not have existed without UNIX. Both are, I think, improvements.
>It just comes up with something like "root#" and sits there!
Also know as a command line interface. Learn to use it, and it shall become your friend. I suggest buying a good book on linux (or four good books), and reading them.
FYI, Redhat also has that command line interface behind XWindows. The reason you don't have XWindows with Debian is because you haven't set it up.
... and I wanted to hurt Linux, I'd find a
few unscrupulous Linux users and hire them to
create problems between distributions, between
Linux and *BSD, etc. Or maybe create an astroturf distribution just to bother the real users.
It might even be fun to do.
What the hell is "XWindows"? You mean X11r6, Mr. Gates?
I see it's time to spread the "Linux != Unix" lie again. Don't you people ever get tired of this? Microsoft is not Unix. Linux is. QED.
Yes, it's true. Each 'distro' is an operating system in its own right. But this isn't a weakness.
Fragmentation is inherent in the nature of operating systems. Different teams, given the same code base, will go in different directions based on what they feel the right solution is to users' needs. If Windows were opened up tomorrow, exactly the same thing would happen.
The difference with truly open operating systems is that competing vendors are allowed to copy each other's innovations. Proprietary OS'es prevent vendors from copying each others' features, and inevitably lead to lockin.
What is a 'weakness' in the proprietary OS model is a strength in the Linux world. Provided we stick with Free distributions like RedHat and Debian. Distributions like SUSE promote fragmentation, and should be avoided.
UNIX != Linux
Linux == Unix
problem solved.
QED is meant to be used when a theory is proven through evidence. You have presented no evidence, and simply made a statement as to your opinion, with nothing to back it up. Congrats, you've made yourself look like an idiot.
Lack of standards is the hobgoblin of the corporate and government world. Without standards, where would nearly any popular technology be today? Anarchy, I suppose. What if the whole VHS vs. Beta dispute was never settled by adopting a standard? Chances are, VCR's would not be a (nearly) universal presence in the average American home.
I have many friends working for the DoD and related agencies. *All* of them state 'no standards' as the reason Linux will not be widely accepted in the government. Things like Stormix and other "new, better" distributions (which they really are NOT) only serve to increase fragmentation and deter wide acceptance.
Linux needs to get it's cockeyed head on straight before the community claims any bit of credibility. No, folks, fragmentation is not an indicator of success. It's an indication of swift failure.
I love debian, but they could take a hint from the RPM guys. RPM is fast while debs are kinda slow. It rocks that they can ask you questions while they install, but it makes the "I just type apt-get install [whatever] and walk away" (that most debian users seem to say) a tragic lie (I am aware that you can override apt's the confirmation requests).
Also, RPMs seem to have more options and more of them are single letters (eg., -h instead of --help). dpkg and apt have a few, but not enough. also apts interface is clunky. For instance, should i wish to install ncurses simply typing "apt-get install ncurses" is no help as the real packages are ncurses-bin or ncurses-base.
If i did not know that I would have to go to the ftp site (or filewatcher) to find the file. I simply could then download it. Apt's ability to find dependencies rocks, but is every package dependent on a file or another package? Let me clarify: If i remove a package that is required by another and reinstall vi source, when adding new packages will they complain about the absence of the actual package even though the binaries are there? (RH does not as I understand Debian will... I hope not)
-matt
Assume they are the same operating system.
Therefore, you can interchange pieces without breaking anything.
But you cannot do that.
Therefore, your assumption was wrong.
They are not the same operating system.
QED
Slashdot has become the Mouth of Linux, eschewing other geek stuff despite its charter. Tell Malda about this. It sucks.
When's the last time we had a story about BSD? About Solaris? About Java? About SGI? About Gnome? About Digital Unix? About AIX? About Python? About CORBA? About Tcl? About HPUX? About PVM? About Jini? About Microsoft's legal troubles? Hell, they missed the verdict a few days back.
This is dangerous myopia.
> Geez! Shut your sorry whiny ass up!
you, sir, are the one who needs to shut up. your comment embraces the quintessential newbie linux user attitude - arrogant, brash, and uninformed.
get a spine and learn how to communicate, or go back to windoze you whiny luser.
not 40 million, but getting there.
at last count, there are 52 distributions. most of these are copycats of one of the major distros, but put their own little twist on administration or userland.
sad, sad, sad. bsd (with it's comparatively less 4 camps) looks mighty appealing right now.
My current understanding of the Linux development schema leads me to believe that all the tension surounding too many distros is not needed.
Many seem to think that every new distro is going to create a compatibility problem. That is just not so (unless the distro makes it so).
Any distro can be significantly different and stay completely within the realm of the standards.
What makes a distro different is its method of installation, the packages it comes with, etc. NOTHING should be proprietary if everything is gone about properly.
Most things are distributed as source anyway so RPMs, etc. just aren't needed and just don't create incompatibility problems.
What's the big BEEF? There's nothing to worry about if its a good distro...if not,...its bad and it'll go the way of any bad distro.
Um. Using something before posting random flames about it is recommended. Otherwise you just look like a troll.. [ how do I know this? Because what you should really be complaining about is that you can't get out of dselect :) ]
:) )
(yeah, I can see that your post may have been meant to be funny. I suggest buying a new sense of humor if that's the case
Daniel
Hey guys/girls have you heard about...
...
...
L33tLinux??
yeah it's r33t and run by me Mr.Hax0rz!
heh, just kidding. I think some of the distributions are getting about this useless. How long is it before we start making one for script kiddies? Ugh....a useful distribution is worth it's weight in gold, a useless one only weighs us down.
I think Stormix is a useful distribution. Will I be using it? No...I use plain 'ol Debian and I'm going to stay that way. But I do have a specific case:
A friend is sick of M$ and desperately wants to get off of that OS. She can wants to minimize her down-time so that she can keep in touch with those online.
I think that a case like this where people want to get it up and running quick with an easy install proves that Stormix is useful. It allows people who are intimidated by CLI installs to have a GUI to greet them in their entrance into Linux.
All of the CLI gurus should remember, not everyone enjoys it as much as you do. I personally perfer the CLI to GUI and I'm fine with Debian. There are so many distributions because there are so many different skill levels and perferences for people.
As far as the best distro, I feel that Debian or Slackware are the best. Get Debian if you want a package system and Slack if you want source files.
They may have missed the point, but maybe not. If you're technically proficient a GUI is unnecessary. But if not, then SOMETHING is needed to simplify all the things that need to be done. So what needs to be done to "simplify" Linux? How about:
.profile, hosts, etc)?
- window(s) that simplify adding/modifying/deleting users/groups?
- a File Manager/Explorer look-alike that can browse directories, make double-clicking launch the right app, make right-clicking show properties, etc.
- window(s) to simplify printer setup/configuration?
- window(s) to modify standard files (like
- a window interface to crontab?.
The list could go on and on and on and on and on...
What happens if you use app-get to upgrade and
one of the things being upgraded is the kernel? Does it automatically reboot?
Debian has two extreme branches, stable and unstable. Yes, I
....
know most distros do also, but the gulf between the two is much
wider with Debian.
The current Debian "stable" version includes an outdated X system
that doesn't support many newer cards, and is several versions
behind in most libraries that are heavily used by developers,etc,
The "unstable" version has all the latest stuff, but it seems
Debian waits too long to fold its own newer stuff back into the
stable version. Therefore the stable version of Debian is
way behind most other distros. Fine for an old 486 with an
old graphics card that one isn't going to use for development
work - like a mail server. But
How, then, can you expect Debiab to even consider
folding back derivative works into its stable branch?
(Especally considering Debian's position on politically correct
software in dealing with derivative commercial distros).
I like Debian too - especially its packaging system. But, a
distro governed by committess might be a little less inclined to
make dramatic changes than one without such controls.
So, it seems necessary for commercial distros and perhaps
others to take Debian's packaging system and basic structure
and do something more creative with it for the benefit of users
who need libs and apps which are more current with other
Linux distros. Right on, Stormix and Corel!
(The official Debian team prefers endless debates and white
papers on where to put the "non-free" stuff, etc. )
We will never defeat Microsoft unless we all pull together and focus our energy!
The Broncos will never beat the Yankees unless they play baseball. I don't want to play Microsoft's game. Linux is about freedom. Pulling together and focus is inherently a centralized notion. Freedom is inherently de-centralized. Although this may seem like a knock against freedom since centralization makes more efficient use of fixed resources, it is not the whole picture. Freedom makes MANY more resources available. In the 'people' world centralization leads to (or is a form of) oppression which in effect reduces the usable human resources. In the software world the free do-whatever-you-want sector has much more manpower than even Microsoft.
So if you want to defeat Microsoft by playing Microsoft's game be prepared to end up winning with something alot closer to Microsoft than I think any of us want.
"could care less" means the opposite of what "could not care less" means. Did you really mean to write what you wrote?
Children who don't understand the awesome, incomparable power of the CLI do not deserve it.
They deserve the idiocy of a GUI, long recognized as making hard things impossible.
And they deserve carpal tunnel syndrome, which they will surely get. Mice are evil.
Let me guess. That's one of the places where "yes" and "no" mean the same thing in answer to "Do you mind if I..."
Funny. I've installed Debian many times in environments of varying hostility and this has never happened to me. Even the time I tried some prerelease boot disks and ended up with a fried system afterwards :)
What did you do?
Daniel
MFC. Ever tear apart an MFC widget and have to override its methods in strange ways, 'coz of its event model? Building, say, a scrollable list of checkboxes out of a scrolling list is... weird.
This guy has never really created anything complex in VB which is why he is casting aspersions. Trust me, just about anything you create in c/c++/delphi/whatever you can do in VB, probably is half the time.
Oh yeah, sure. That's why Microsoft writes all their applications and their operating system utilities in BASIC. Uh huh. How's that real estate in Florida?
Stop wasting time trying to "defeat microsoft" and start spending quality time producing a QUALITY PRODUCT. Jesus, why is this so hard to grasp?
You want to defeat Microsoft? Here's how (and it's happening anyway, so I'm wasting my breath):
Create a system for the lowest common denominator, put a cute GUI on it, and cater to the morons.
And just *why*, after I wrote all that, would I want to "create my OWN distribution"? Did you even READ past the FIRST SENTENCE of what I wrote?
Yes, you're correct that UNIX in general is a chaotic mixture of "various ways of doing things".
But the point of my original post is not about "UNIX in general", it is about Linux. Now, given that, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.
As someone else said here: do we NEED more distributions and fragmentation? Havn't the past 30 years of UNIX history taught us something?
And along that same line of thinking, do we really need an install "window"? Seems a text interface is a little more reliable in general... nothing like accidentally selecting the wrong video hardware (easy to do if you're installing on 50 machines, all with different cheesy hardware!) and have to start the installation ALL OVER AGAIN
(listening, RedHat? Hmm?)
Of course, if the person is going to be USING the system, it might be well in their favor to LEARN a little about it...
You don't drive a car without knowing how the steering wheel and brake pedal work, do you?
I would have to agree. I'm quite tired of hearing all the Linux fanatics harping away constantly. However, Linux has become quite popular, and this has to be expected...
from the person who began this part...
The point of the distro is to make things convienent for the user, but at the same time it is important that the distro does not go too far and create an open source, yet proprietary system. That would leave us with what many are currently trying to escape: an OS that albeit has market support but lacks common sense in every other way.
If the distro can successfully make things grand for me, the IT depart., and my mom , kudos to them on a good job. And in making things easier, I expect that qmail, icq-clones, pine, etc. compile and run without too much strain.
No distro should cause incompatibility problems and if they do, that's a shame.
The more distros we get out there, the more users will thresh out the bad and we'll see what we really want. Limiting ourselves to RedHat, Debian, Suse, Caldera, and Slackware would limit ourselves to the possibilities. We won't get the perfect OS (figuratively of course).
Personally, I think the first distro to make the shit hit will be whoever can create a window manager than can top the current selections and package it in their own distro.
When that happens, things will start to get groovy.
In a way though, some of the big boys have already done this, albeit not for Linux; Mach-meets-Apple anyone?
Have fun
All good distros should run all Linux software almost equally (aside from the differences in a distro to run on a floppy as compared to something like RedHat or Slack).
Almost none of the ware I use is distributed in RPM or DEB, so I use source.
If big poppa exec is worried, tell 'em that. Programs just aren't disseminated the same in Linux, so the distro has nothing to do with what program will diffinitively run; rather, its just the look and feel
the look and feel (not the functionality)
Hey, that's what we pay for anyway. A 386 checks e-mail fine, it runs X or Windows like hell though. So, I choose to shell out for something of the 6th gen. Cause I want the look and feel.
According to your line of proof,
Windows is not an Operating System.
(ever tried to exchange a 3d-game between windows98 and NT ? - or ANY program between NT/x86 and NT/alpha? or NT/ppc?)
Linux is Unix as sure as NetBSD is Unix or Solaris is Unix or HP/UX is Unix or IRIX^H^H^H^H.
Jor
Counterpoint: how many of us can drive a car, but don't understand the camshaft, or clutch plates, or fuel injection (or carburetors for that matter) or disc brakes?
To dispense with the analogies, how many Windows users KNOW about their system? Let's face it, a lot of users don't want to learn all that stuff. It's not a crime (stupid maybe, but not criminal).
Or, why don't we just skip all that and run MS Windows? Same damn thing...
Seems it was everyone's goal to "get away from Windows" a while back, now they want to "be just like Windows"... Sad...
Counter-counterpoint:
How many experienced and highly trained Unix administrators and operators know how to write (or even interpret) a UNIX kernel or driver code? Not very many...
I agree with you up to a point: the point being that if we code for users who aren't willing to learn, then why bother? We'll just have to dummy down the system (just like everything else in our society) to accomodate the drooling point-n-clickers. Somewhere along the line, functionality is lost, performance suffers, configurability is forgotten in megabytes of binary config files or text files that no one dare to edit manually.
UNIX IS NOT FOR DUMMIES!
Redhat has lots of icons and windows. Debian scares me. It just comes up with something like "root#" and sits there! I type stuff and it keeps saying "command not found". What a piece of junk...
If anything will be the downfall of Linux (aside from the outbursts from the fanatics), it will be the multitude of "distributions".
/usr, /bin, /lib, /etc and so on. Put the "optional add-on packages" in /usr/local or /opt where they belong and don't interfere with system files.
Why? Quite simple: there is NO STANDARD. There is no way you can create a book on Linux that focuses on administration *from an admin's point of view* and say: "this is the way you do it...", etc... You can't do this when there are 40 million different distributions, each with it "own way of doing things".
The typical Linux "distribution" is not even *complete*, from a network or sysadmin point of view. There are various utilities that are simply missing from the base system (what good is a Unix without dump/restore?), which you then have to go out of your way to find, when you *could* be doing other things.
Perhaps if Linux developers would a) stop focusing on making Linux look (and run) like MS-Windows, b) concentrate on networking and server applications instead of desktop, c) make a consistent format that should be used as a *standard for all "distributions"* to provide a complete base system, then maybe Linux will stand a chance.
But as it stands, it is chaos. It will not last at this rate. Once it starts hitting the server market, admins will see it for what it has become: a chaotic, confusing waste of their time. I personally do not have time to fix "broken" distriutions.
Oh, and another thing: let's put the *essential system files* in
Linux's credibility has already suffered at the hands of the zealous fanatics, and now it's feeling the effects of its chaotic inconsistency of distributions.
Almost every small distro now has a GUI-install, but Red Hat and Debian have not. If we want to have "World Domination", we'd better shape up the installation process, and I find it very strange that Red Hat has not yet made a GUI-installer.
I hate the cli-installation-style. I hate IRQs. I hate system administration. I want to code.
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>Then make your own Super-Installer. Submit it to
>the community.
Perhaps, but I have to become a better programmer first. I could perhaps start after christmas.
>Just because the installer sucks ass (CLI)
>doesn't mean that you have to start a whole new
>distro. That's just stupid.
I agree, but Debian could use the installer from Stormix.
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I use Debian. I love Debian. I am an experienced sysadmin, so I don't personally have much use for a prettified GUI installation. Some of my friends would, however, and I would like to encourage them to use Debian.
So the question is, why aren't these enhancements folded back into Debian? I don't follow debian-devel anymore; are the developers simply not receptive to these ideas? Debian is a very free and democratic distribution. If your ideas are good, they will be included.
I have to wonder if the people behind this Stormix simply want to be a "name" and want to differentiate themselves for no particular reason other than ego.
Of course, I could be wrong. Besides, the best thing about the GPL is that the Debian project has the right to re-incorporate any derived works back into the fold, unless they make key components like the installer non-free. That would suck and would be cause to avoid Stormix altogether.
So, my question is, why not just contribute these packages to Debian itself?
The major ones are plenty. Choice is good and all, but for each new distribution we're just gonna screw ourselves in the end because of fragmentation. What, the last thirty years of UNIX history hasn't taught us anything? Jeez.
If I was a commercial vendor, I'm sorry - but I would support Redhat too - possibly Debian/SuSE and Pacific HiTech, but that's about it.
Gee, do we support Debian? SuSE? Caldera? Redhat? How about we just stick to Windows?
Stop the madness, I say!
How are ya gonna "differentiate" yourself then? If you follow the "standards" then that leaves you little room for customization. What? Different icons? Different versions of binaries? I don't need that kind of customizability... You can do that with the distros already out there.
Then make your own Super-Installer. Submit it to the community. Just because the installer sucks ass (CLI) doesn't mean that you have to start a whole new distro. That's just stupid.
Around these neck o' the woods, they're the same... As in "I don't care what distro you run."
Commercial vendors like to make money. That's what they're in it for. We, the community, like for the vendors to port to Linux. Why? So we get cool stuff. So Linux gets bigger and better. Everyone's happy.
However, if there are fifty distributions, then they will inevitably wonder, "Wait, if we're going to support Linux, which distro do we port to?" Sure, you can compile it for Linux, put it in a tarball and be done with it - and leave the install specifics to the user.
But what happens with support? "Oh, I see, you're using SuperDuper Linux?" Where is such and such installed? What version is your whatchamacallit binary? And so on...
From my perspective, I think it would make commercial vendors feel a whole lot better about getting into Linux if they didn't feel like they were porting to a moving target.
Personally, I could care less - use whatever you want or roll your own. I'm just thinking that commercial vendors will get scared off and end up not porting to Linux because "there are too many choices."
Strange. I've installed Debian many times on many machines, and only once had a problem (the mouse refused to work).
;-). Don't sweat it -- if the install doesn't take the first time, write to the maintainer(s) about it so they can fix it, then try again.
Compare this to my Redhat experience -- I've tried five different versions on four different computers more times than I care to count, with only three sucessful installs. Every other time, the installer corrupted the filesystem while doing the install. (Oops, make that six versions on five computers -- LinuxPPC installed perfectly without a glitch.)
My point?
Installing OSes sucks
-Billy
(A very happy Debian user -- although I do want a better install, I believe that ease of use and upgrading is FAR more important, and Red Hat just does not handle that.)
Of course registering makes you less anonymous -- if you _post_ with that ID consistently.
I don't use people's emails or read their stupid (or clever) nicks; I don't even care. To me, they are what they write -- and an AC is someone who doesn't want to be associated with what they've written in the past.
Fine for them, fine for me.
-Billy
"The Great Unwashed" that think they wanna try Linux, but don't know the first thing about using/installing it don't care weather or not the interface is GUI or CLUI. What they do care about are things like partitions, video drivers, IRQs etc. it is those things that you want to "shield" TGUs from [and have the ability for the power user to micromanage the install]
All this gui does is show everything the textmode has in a "cute" closable window. My grandmother doesn't want to know what a partition is/ what mount points are.
To reiterate, "normal" people don't give a rats arse if the install procedure is text based or gui based, they just don't want to have to understand things like video drivers, refresh rates, IRQs, etc.
I think Stormix is missing the point of the GUI install
Blocklevel: Practical Information Architecture
So many distros and nobody wants to do anything meaningful such as knocking off that crazy /usr/ stuff in the directory system. Now that would be interesting and worth supporting.
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dpkg and rpm are for uberl33tz! Slackware's installpkg ownz!
installpkg may not be very sexy, but it works. So what if you're missing packages? installpkg doesn't whine at you for it, you can just go and get them later! And in GUI tools, pkgtool makes glint and apt look like tinkertoys!
I felt like I had to stick in something for Slackware.
Armando Rojas
Go to the web site and have a look at the screenshots.
Could someone PLEASE tell me why in Ghod's name you would need miniaturize/maximize/close buttons on a fscking INSTALL window? Prettying it up is OK, but let's think while we're doing it, huh guys?
http://slashdot.org /article.pl?sid=99/07/08/2047257&mode=thread
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
Casting aspersions without downloading and testing is a Bad Thing, but what the fuck. I'm bored.
They're advertising a development environment 'without the need to learn a complex widget set'.
If you're a developer, you learn complex widget sets. It's what you do. If you use Visual Basic you're not a programmer. You're a lego builder.
Of course, just because you're not a programmer if you use this doesn't make it a bad thing; anyting that lets the average user build programmes can only be good for Linux. I'll happily download this new distro and stick it onto a laptop, after which I'll be able to offer some informed criticism. Of course, no-one'll listen. They never do. They're usually right.
Hmm...following your logic:
Microsoft is not better than BSD. Linux is.
I'm glad to be finally able to end that debate once and for all. It has been turning people against each other for far too long. Here's one:
Microsoft is not an operating system. Linux is.
OK, that one actually made sense. How about:
Microsoft is not pizza. Linux is.
I like Linux pizza. The ingredients are all open source. Here is my grand finale:
Microsoft is not good. Linux is.
QED
I am not an idiot. Please use my name to email me.
"That's right, I'm quoting myself."
-Upsilon
Well, I've just had a quick look at the screenshots.
The first was the most off-putting, with "Storm linux. We make linux look good." (in caps) totally contradicting the grammar in "You must now create partitions for Storm to install on top of". Eeeurgh!
FWIW I agree that there is no need for anyone to go round replicating the Windoze GUI under linux. It's fair enough that fvwm95 exists, of course, but I for one think it would help bring it home to the population as a whole that there are more ways to operate than Maximise, Minimise and Nuke.
I didn't see that many installation methods - what was it, CD, NFS and something else? What about multi-CD-over-samba or NFS, for example?
The installer does look cuter than debian's, even in text mode. But how do the run-time package-manglement tools look?
~P
~Tim
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Rushing on down to the circle of the turn
This is news for nerds, stuff that matters. Linux is in the media all the time currently, and linux news certainly is news for nerds, stuff that matters... So WTF is up your big fat ass? Fine, leave!
"Slashdot sucks. Slashdot readers are stupid. Slashdot is turning into a linux site." Geez! Shut your sorry whiny ass up!
I'm sick of hearing about nothing but linux too, so for a while I just skipped all the linux stories... And guess what, it was ok. I didn't have a heart attack, or a stroke, or die of cancer. It's really ok! And I STILL got to read plenty of "News for nerds, stuff that matters"!
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient... - High Road to China
I could say the same thing about you, you certainly aren't above slinging insults. You are also an Anonymous Coward. Your reply was also irrelevant, the reply before yours put me in my place. You on the other hand just insulted me with nothing to add to the topic at hand.
It's been a bad day, I think I'll take your advice anyway and shut up.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient... - High Road to China
Look, only a sheep would WANT a universal standard for a *nix OS. Any of the clued would realize exactly what kind of can of worms learning about a *nix is. EVERYBODY should know that there is fragmentation galore in the commercial unices and within an hour of research will be aware of the fragmentation in the Linux and *BSD areas. Deal with it.
I use the Linuces and *BSDs to port my knowledge that I learned while working on NT and Mac networks. If you know how to run a file/web/FTP server on one OS, run it on another. The variety of OSs and distros helps and I welcome it. 'Course, I'm smart enough to read man pages. It doesn't throw me that useradd and adduser have different names. Jeez.
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Ultimatly all these choices may seem slightly painful, but the extra competition will just feed Linux evolution. We will all benefit in the long run.
I've seen stories about all of those within the past few weeks. It's not like it's easy for them to go through tons of stories, back check them, AND move their stuff over to andover.net and keep you happy. Besides, it's not them digging up the articles, they just sort through what they can, and post what they do find. If you don't like it, don't be an AC, and start submitting stories.
I don't agree with comment you replied to but I don't understand how posting as AC reduces the value of comment. If I register as ABC with e-mail of abc@abcabc.com, does it make me less anonymous?.
I am somewhat new to Linux and all it's many wonders, so be gentle :)
It said that Stormix was based on Debian. Now, would that mean that it's likely the same exploits could be used against a machine running Stormix as one using Debian (e.g. DOSEMU)?
Killing spammers is too good for them.
I actually chose Debian for my home machine to play with/learn on because it was the distro I was able to find the least number of exploits for.
Thanks again,
Matt
Killing spammers is too good for them.