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MS Dirty Pool Against AOL?

Hobbes_ sent us an amusing little story that talks about some MS Employee forging some email to some guy trying to raise heat against AOL. Just read the article, its more than just a little bizarre.

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  1. Re:John Markoff by Matt · · Score: 3

    This was in the latest comp.risks digest. The article makes reference to a NewsScan Daily article called "Spy Who Messaged Me" -- Now Playing at Microsoft!, which in turn cites the New York Times article.

  2. Not to be paranoid.... by kevlar · · Score: 3


    But I've sometimes wondered who was really posting messages promoting MS on /. and other places. Of all the sys-admins I've ever come across in my life (which is short, and a small number compared to some), I've not once had one say they thought any of MS' OSes were coded well or stable. Anyone else truely meet an admin who advocated MS? I'd really like to know.

    1. Re:Not to be paranoid.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

      > But I've sometimes wondered who was really
      > posting messages promoting MS on /. and
      > other places.

      Haven't we heard enough about "fake
      Microsoft employees potsing pro-Microsoft
      messages"? I think people just enjoy using
      innovative software from the leader of our
      nation's technology industry. Folks around the
      world are amazed at the increased productivity
      they experience because of Microsoft software,
      and just want to share their satisfaction with
      the exciting technologies available today.

      Here's an example: we all know that Windows98
      makes computers easy to use, right? But that
      whole "point-and-click" thing doesn't work if
      you can't see the screen! That's why the
      patriotic innovators at Microsoft are hard at work
      developing verbal interfaces, such as a lovable
      talking parrot whose sassy, high-pitched voice
      guides the eyeball-impaired through their favorite
      programs. Who wouldn't feel a sort of
      "irrational exhuberance" at these innovations,
      and want to share word of them with the world?

      Yours,
      H. Humbert
      Humbert Consulting

    2. Re:Not to be paranoid.... by Fastolfe · · Score: 4

      It depends on the task. For back-end stuff (servers) or for people that know what they're doing and need power/stability in their workstations, I'll tend to promote non-MS products. For Jane Q. Secretary desktop stuff, I'll promote MS.

      Though my network at home is run by a Linux system acting as a NAT/gateway, I spend most of my time sitting in front of a Win98 system (running an X server of course). Though I'm thinking I'll try Be out here eventually...

      There's also a second NT head and a Linux/AfterStep box in the same room that I use occasionally.

      The best OS all depends on the task at hand... Windows is not the best OS for all tasks any more than Linux is.

      I tend to bring this attitude to Slashdot in my posts. Sometimes I'll step up and defend Microsoft because of unfounded/stupid/uneducated anti-MS posts, but just as frequently I'll be backing up posts that are critical of MS oeprating systems. It works the other way around, too.

      I rarely see many other "pro-MS" posts on Slashdot, except for the inevitable idiot/troll that's just trying to be funny/annoying.

      Of course, I doubt I'd ever come out and say that "MS' OSes were coded well or stable", but coding and stability aren't the only reasons one can prefer one OS over another for a particular task.

  3. Not necessarily a conspiracy; maybe just sociology by sethg · · Score: 3
    The August 16 issue of The New Yorker has an article about the Microsoft trial. The article also contains some tidbits about Microsoft's internal culture, such as this (p.42):
    [Gates and other Microsoft senior staff] invoked a phrase, "hard core," to describe both their stance and their corporate culture. To be hard core was to be a believer, a gladiator who preferred combat to compromise.... [Microsoft executives] would hold rallies in Redmond at which Steve Ballmer, now the company president, pumped up the troops by leading them in a war whoop, screaming for victory.
    I can imagine employees in that kind of culture performing dirty tricks on their own initiative. Their managers may formally disapprove of such antics--the managers may even sincerely believe that pulling stunts like that is a bad idea. But if an attitude of "Microsoft is under siege and we must defend it" pervades the campus, then some employees will pay more attention to that attitude than to ethical formalities.
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  4. AOL not promoting ICQ.... by Falshire · · Score: 3

    I find it interesting that AOL is doing nothing to promote ICQ. Which, IMNHO, is a much better instant messaging client than anything that is currently out there...

    A quote from the article:

    "Separately, America Online and Novell Corp. on Thursday announced that Novell, a network software provider based in Provo, Utah, had licensed the AOL Instant Messenger software and planned to build it into its Netware Directory Services software for corporate users."

    In light of all these 'licensing' deals that AOL is making, I recall that no mention of ICQ has ever been made.

    Once again, IMNHO, AOL is trying to kill any kind of 'IM' that isn't their own, despite the fact that they own ICQ now...

    What do you guys think?

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    "Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons...for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
  5. Re:Great Tactic however... by coyote-san · · Score: 3

    But what can you do?

    A company can do a lot, especially in this case if the author is identified. Remember, that message was (allegedly) sent from a system on the Redmond campus. The author didn't even bother to log into his own ISP account and then connect to the free service. (Or maybe I'm just spoiled by my unix shell account.)

    This means that an employee has:

    1) used corporate resources to
    2) publicly lie (about his affiliation with Microsoft, if not the buffer overflow problem), and thus
    3) bring his employer into disrepute.

    In the most extreme cases, Microsoft could dismiss such employees immediately. Any employee who inserts an actionable easter egg into a released product, *and* his immediate supervisor for failure to exercise sufficient oversight should be fired-for-cause, IMHO.

    In this case, it would not be unreasonable for MS to insert a "written reprimand" for lying about his employment status in a message sent from MS property, with either a few days suspension and/or an explicit reduction in his next performance raise.

    This response might sound extreme, but look at how much these antics are costing Microsoft. Right now it's only some techies who are outraged at "fluff" easter eggs in many (most?) MS applications, but what will happen if someone wins millions of dollars because one easter egg alleges that a particular individual is sexually assaulting his child, and it turns out that the egg was inserted by the spouse's new SO? Or thousands of users find their system compromised because a latter-day Excel flight simulator contains a serious security hole?

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    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
  6. Misunderstanding by Wonko42 · · Score: 3
    I think everyone needs to go re-read the article. And then read what the other sources have to say...this is a big news item; all the major online news sites have reported it. In fact, it's a few days old now. The issue here is not that some stupid Microsoft employee impersonated someone else and bashed AOL. The point is that the stupid Microsoft employee was right. AOL is exploiting a buffer-overrun backdoor in its Instant Messenger client which causes the client to automatically execute any source code that comes down the line from the server.

    This is such a huge security issue it's revolting. But of course, nobody noticed that part of the story, because everyone was too busy laughing at how Microsoft made this information known...

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    Wonko the Sane

  7. Not the first time - OS/2 5 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    The name then was "Steven Barkto" back when MS pulled this exact same trick trying to tank OS/2 in the discussion groups - I think it was on CompuServe at the time. I'll be curious to see how soon the same stuff is pulled against Linux.

  8. Anyone notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    That the guy who sent the E was named Phil Bucking, which sounds interesting if you phonetically switch the first consonent sounds in the first and last name...

  9. Disgruntled Employee... by sheldon · · Score: 3
    This story is so old now, and as usual people are seeing some major conspiracy instead of the humor of the whole thing.

    The name of the individual who supposedly sent this email was "Phil Bucking"

    Switch the syllables around and you get:

    "Bill Phucking"

    Read that backwards...

    And now you know the rest of the story...

  10. A quick analysis of the Dilbertian PHB by daviddennis · · Score: 3

    I think it's important to understand the reasons behind the attitude of the PHB. The character appears entirely irrational to most technical types, and yet there are reasons for what PHBs do. The good news is that, in my view, PHBs are coming around, for reasons you will shortly discover.

    See, the person who gets me most of my work is a somewhat enlightened PHB. He's intelligent, has a lot of business savvy and knows a lot about where the bodies are buried. I'm slowly starting to understand his point of view, which is likely to be useful to my future - after all, you can't stay a coder forever, not if you want that inexpensive house on Sunset Plaza Drive in the Hollywood Hills [minimum price $495,000 and rising], anyway.

    The primary concern of any boss is to keep the business running. The boss's nightmare is if the IT staff either quits or holds him up for more money. The boss knows that as long as there are plenty of MSCE's ready to help him out, his current IT staff can be replaced. If he uses technology nobody's ever heard of, that requires people that are difficult to locate, then his head is on the corporate chopping block.

    Now, note that this doesn't require the executive to like Microsoft. He may find the company's products every bit as wretched as we do. But he knows that he can always find people who can use the stuff, even if the worst happens and his workers all leave.

    There is a second, related reason bosses like Microsoft: Applications and software tools are inexpensive and plentiful. Oracle, Sybase and SQL server are all cheaper on Windows than any other platform due to the level of competition that exists. This is, again, something bosses love. They can pitch the salespeople against each other.

    Finally, they have someone to blame when things go wrong. I'm not sure how much satisfaction they get from blaming Microsoft, because the company certainly isn't going to help them much, but the idea is there.

    These strike me as valid reasons to use Microsoft, even if you hate their products. The good news is that it looks like the younger computing generation has rapidly assimilated Linux, thanks to its extremely low price and compatibility with existing Unix systems they may have in school. This is, no doubt, why MS is trying so hard to get people in academic environments to use their stuff - but they have met considerable resistance. From the perspective of people like Steve Ballmer, who I'm sure can see this as clear if not clearer than I can, this is disasterous news, far worse than any tiresome antitrust trial.

    So the good news is that I see a very hopeful future for Linux and free software. What's happened in my own office is instructive - two additional people have been hired, both of who have an interest in Linux. So we are starting to get a critical mass of rebel geeks in the organization I work with, which has traditionally been a "Windows Uber Alles" type shop.

    D

    PS: You're probably telling me, "David, everyone knows MSCE's are incompetent boobs who studied very hard to pass a simple multiple-choice test." And I'm sure you're right. But at least it means some minimum level of ability, and that reassures the PHB.
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