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deCSS Listed On Download.com
Abscissa writes "I just discovered that Download.com has listed the hottest illegal utility for "bypassing" DVD copy protection. It won't be long before they get contacted by the motion picture association!" And deCSS is also mirrored on many other, lower-profile Web sites. There's simply no way it can be stopped.
Shades of Fahrenheit 451 :)
Once the genies is out of the bottle it's very hard to put it back in.
I'm sure we'll see a concerted effort to sue the planet though.
Remember when CDs and DAT came out? The Music Industry tried to restrict copying by legislation. Now we're using $200 CD writers for portable data, and Panasonic is running commercials for their CD copiers. And the Music Industry still sells a lot of CDs.
Well, it happened, The RIAA found out the hard way that you can't bolt the barn door once the Horse has run. The only thing that threats have done on the Internet, in my experience, has added coverage to what would have been a boring topic, and to strengthen resolve to do exactly what the plaintiffs don't want. The RIAA played rough, they found that netizens can get very rough indeed, and if they want any sympathy from me, Merriam-Webster comes to mind.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
It seems that download.com is not really hosting it themselves, but in fact linking to a site in Denmark. It also seems that said site has taken down this software.
It is "illegal" in very few countrys. The web is world wide - so they are just threatening everyone elsewhere with lawsuits to keep this under wraps. These are just threats though - in Austrailia for example, reverse enginering for interoperability is explicitly allowed - so any files there are "safe". This won't stop them trying of course. However cutting off heads of an exponentially growing hydra is a very boring (and expensive) task...
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This is just the binary windows program, it can descramble the CSS but that is OK becouse it will not run on Linux.
OTOH Derec Fawcus posted the source to CSS decryption and that might be used to watch DVD on Linux so he must be stopped at all costs.
However, if they can intimidate its programmers and prevent any future development or related programs, they're happy. This especially goes for the LinuxDVD project - if you really want to stick it to The Man, rather than provide another mirror of DeCSS, which ain't going away any time soon, find some way of helping the LinuxDVD project.
Programs are ephemeral. Source code is forever.
Just in case, there is another mirror here: http://killer.discordia.ch/Politics/Copyprotection .phtml
It's a friends website. I bet he will get a letter from those boneheads in the movie-industries. But hey, mirror that tool at all costs! When they want to send out dead trees to anyone, they have to write not 100 but 100'000 letters!
Information should be free!
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no more movies are going to be made, since everyone is going to download this app and become a hardcore pirate, thereby breaking the motion picture industry. Woe is us. I myself have already put out of business a couple of studios by making illegal copies of my massive DVD collection. The MPAA needs to hurry up and sue download.com, cnet and affiliate sites, and everyone that visits them to protect the fragile movie industry.
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Sheesh. I can only imagine the witchhunts that will follow once this lil' app gets around now.
Off topic, but I wonder if napster can be configured to transfer *.vob's now?
Demona's Law - "User data expands to exceed available bandwidth." ("User data" being pr0n, mp3's, vob's,
this utility is probably not illegal in many countries, but cnet.com is definetely posed with civil legal action by the MPAA or some other lawyers. (even more so, now that it's been posted on hackernews and slashdot) it's obvious that DeCSS, the Livid stuff, and articles explaining how it was done will live forever. the question is: will the MPAA give up and just forget about it? or will the MPAA go on a 30 year hunt to try to discourage all DVD pirating and ultimately destroy itself and the format well before a more viable solution comes along? or will they come up with a different format and screw everyone over?
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I do wish people would be more careful with the posting on Slashdot. Calling DeCSS an 'illegal' utility immediately gets motion picture lawyers backs up and will possibly have a negative impact on when/if you can happily view DVDs in Linux. This slashdot article is almost as bad as the initial Wired article that seemed to started the problems with Linux DVD development in the first place.
AFAIK, DeCSS is *not* an illegal tool - the development of DeCSS was perfectly legal in the country in which it was developed and it would have been legal to develop it in the US and most other countries [possibly till the Digital Millenium Copyright act comes into force]
DeCSS, at least in its Linux form, is not intended as an aid to making illegal copies, hopefully it is just a means of assisting you in viewing DVDs under Linux.
Even the use of DeCSS in the UK, where there are specific provisions that appear to block it, is in doubt - there are a number of hurdles that someone taking the case to court would need to overcome.
P.S. IANAL, if you are please feel free to correct any mishtakes....
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Since copy protection was invented, there have been ways around it.
With DAT there was some sort of digital signature (i forget the TLA) that was written to the tape that ment that the tape had to copied by the machine that produced the master. A box of tricks costing £100 (ish) got rid of that and you could freely copy DATs.
The duplication of CD's used to be protected by the high cost of CD writters but we just copied them to tape and all was fine. CD writters now cost around £180 and everyone is freely coping CD's (either audio or MP3) and distributing copywritted material.
The MP3 audio format was one of the final nails in the coffin. Fast, high quality and small audio files distributed freely are rapidly killing off sales of CD's. Well, so we are lead to believe by the music industry.
All this little application does is break the current encryption/protection method used. I'm sure that within a few months a new format will come out and all the DVD hardware/software/content vendors will adopt it and proclaim it to be secure. A few months later someone will break it and announce who easy it was and how stupid the industry is for using such a weak encryption/protection method. Repeat the cycle. Do until end.
Does not matter. Even if the employee has done it jumping across his terms of employment this still leaves CNET with this material on the web site.
And there is noting wrong about it:
Selling guns is not illegal. Firing them at people is.
Distributing tools for commiting a crime is (mostly) not illegal. Using them is.
Distributing software that breaks copy protection is (usually) not illegal. Using it for breaking copy protection is.
The exemptions to these rules are listed in the laws of each country but they usually very old and do not include any computer related equipment (mostly the restrictions deal with specific tools for picking locks and stuff, tools usable for copying bank notes, etc).
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Are there *realy* people still out there that haven't gotten a copy yet ???
Since the download.com has stopped working, go grab yours here
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...can be downloaded from the CVS server [instructions on the web site] at: http://livid.on.openprojects.net
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They are not stupid. They know that a few years from now, 6 gigs of disk space won't mean jack and the movie they release today on DVD could wind up everywhere in a few years.
Fortunately for us, DVD home players are near critical mass. If deCSS happened two years ago, DVD for playing movies would have died a quick death. It still could. At the minimum, I predict, the studios will delay releases of DVD until well after they bleed the VCR market.
Yeah, it pisses me off that I can't play DVD movies on my DVD-equipped computer with Linux. But imagine if Red Hat or some other distro made a deal to get a license for making a driver to play these disks. We'd all probably crucify them for releasing a proprietary, non-redestributable driver with no source.
Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it without upchucking the mess at the most inopportune time....
Don't expect companies to perform civil disobedience or be the revolution - that's what individuals are for.
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip p - auth.tar.gz s /8877/index.html g z . gz and ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-st uff-only.tar.gz h tml g z and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS.zip
http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zi
http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren/css-auth/css
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campu
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vreeken/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/DeCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/css-auth.tar.
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
http://www.humpin.org/decss/
http://www.unitycode.org/
http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.html
http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVid.tar.gz
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.tar
http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~adrian/css/index.
http://www.dvd-copy.com/
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/css-auth.tar.
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/ (very slow - 33.6 line)
http://members.tripod.co.uk/bap/css/css.html
http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/dvd/
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/DVD/
http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-auth_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz
The RIAA used to be a technical standards organization for the recording industry - they would set things like standard equilization curves and provide technical support for studios. Now, they're more of a marketing and lobbying organization, apparently trying to protect the music industry's profits.
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It's sort of funny. People put locks on things so others can't get in. If you have a crappy lock, you can't blame the /theif/ for getting in: you get a new, better, lock so he can't. Duh. If you could prevent the theif from getting in without the lock, why have a lock?
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The artificial barrier erected by studio-led organizations against access to DVD by the free operating systems is not dissimilar to a fault in the (information) network.
Well, the Internet is good at dealing with network faults, ie. with the classic response of routing around the problem. In this case the problem is that lawyers and other luddites can prosecute website owners. No big deal: just post the sources repeatedly and automatically to appropriate Usenet newsgroups, and automatic news archiving worldwide will ensure that anyone that needs the code will be able to find it without presenting a target for slobbering lawyers.
[And no, I do not accept that lawyers can get away with "just doing their job" without accepting responsibility for their luddism, just like I do not accept that it is moral for scientists to place tools of destruction in the hands of brainless politicians. If the legal profession wants to be well regarded, it needs to stop washing the blood of its actions off its hands.]
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Until you programmed a seat-kicking, loud whispering, cell phone and beeper carrying jackass simulation... at least, every time I go to the movies, that's who ends up sitting behind me... Oh, and toss in some surround-sound crying babies belonging to the "we're too cheap to hire a babysitter, so we brought our baby to see the Matrix, I'm sure the gunshots won't upset him/her/it" couple in the front row.
I don't know whether there are any laws forbidding this kind of practice; I'm just saying it's wrong.
Look at it this way -- *some* form of digital medium for the sneakernet distribution of video will become the single de facto standard, and it's likely that DVD will be the one.
With the DVD consortium in control of the keys necessary to create disks and read them, a small number of companies effectively become in control of that significant chunk of media. Free speech? Dead. Indie movies? Dead.
Bah.
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CNet have just listed this in their "download dispatch", with a live link for download from: http://www.dvd-copy.com
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DECSS
File size: 60K
License: Freeware
Minimum requirements: Windows 98/NT 4.0
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Hmmm. Most of the *old* software licenses I remember (especially for products that came out on a single 5.25"...) specified that the user had the right to make *one* copy for archival purposes only. Those that were copy-protected, like "GATO" and "Silent Service", often included a "coupon" for ordering a backup/replacement, usually to the tune of $10.
OTOH, I don't remember that on any recent software licenses... so that may have only been a custom. I certainly don't remember it popping up in, say, the MS WinNT EULA...
A Stanford site seems to imply that "fair use" doctrine only covers educational and research purposes. There are also special provisions for libraries...
Judging from that, the "right" to make a backup may only have been a privilege granted explicitly by the licensing terms -- one which may be increasingly rare nowadays.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
But we still have many businesses (including the motion picture industry) which are still operating under the old industrial age rules. Those rules favor protecting property to preserve scarcity to help assign higher product value. That we can copy movies with no real overhead, threatens the scarcity, which in turns lowers the assigned value of the product. They see the need to try to protect their property, so that they can continue to retain value assigned to it. A great example of the extreme of this mindset was Disney (until recently) which not only protected their IP, but actually would take products off the market for extended periods of time to drive up the 'value' (by making the product more scarce).
The Electronic world compensates. Its just the beginning of the new economy, and what we are seeing is that the wired folks are starting to act in a new way. Notice the increase of attention regarding issues of intellectual property and privacy. Both of these issues have to transition to a new set of rules in this new economy and we have a conflict of the old-economy businesses and the new-economy public. Expect to see more of this for the next few years.
The popularity of DeCSS (in our community) and the proliferations of MP3s are just two examples of the new rules in action. DeCSS is a correction to the old rules, and MP3 is the principals of the new economy in action. Not that most people have any idea that this is going on. Like rules of any economy, they 'just make sense.' We like MP3s cause it just makes sense to distribute and collect music this way.
Of course, I could be just blowing smoke.
That's a bit of a false analogy, unless you include the idea that you can buy the ability to read Navajo.
After all, if you have a licensed player, they'll let you play DVDs; it's *not* that they've made the product impossible or illegal to use, which is what you're disingenuously implying.
What it *is* similar to are things like using colored paper to inhibit copying (been done, but not that lately AFAIK; perhaps copying tech has made this obsolete?), and burning a sector 15 on a floppy to make DISKCOPY.EXE fail. In neither case is it impossible, using their licensed method, to actually *use* the product.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
DVD for Linux is good, and encrypting content is bad, however...
I think the media is going to overblow this, aided by drooling w@r=z d00dz who think this is the Holy Grail or something.
I tried this out myself. Yep it rips movies flawlessly. But then what? Do I RE-compress the movie - further degrading quality? As it is I can see DEFECTS in the ORIGINAL DVD... compressing will only make it worse. True, I tried a Windows software DVD player which accounts for most of the defects, but this is a respectable playback platform (Voodoo3, AMD K62/450 128 MB RAM).
I don't remember all of biology, but I recall the human eye is much more sensitive than the human ear, so defects are much more obvious than say frequency clipping in an MP3... especially if you look for these things. I still grab the occasional MP3, but mostly they suck like car factory speakers suck and Microsoft ASF sucks .
I encode my own MP3's not because I want to be legal, but because that's the opnly way for me to get 320/44 kbps which tends to preserve the upper frequencies.
With compressing video, we're talking inter-frame compression which takes 100% of your CPU for (I'm guessing) 8 hours or more. What a sorry way to avoid $19 for a movie.
Don't get me wrong - I think the freedom to copy content you own is a GOOD THING, and I rank encrypting content right up there with evils like sterile plant seeds (designed to make addicts of the third world). I'm sure the music industry makes a KILLING of scratched and discarded audio CD's... backing up is your right.
Is it actually possible (for somebody without an industrial-grade pressing machine...) to burn a movie-length DVD?
I was under the impression that there were some consumer-targetted RW DVD methods, but that they didn't have the full capacity of the pressed ones for whatever reason... and that thus, the industry doesn't (yet) have to worry about people distributing unlicensed DVD disks so much as online methods...
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No, you are wrong.
The idea was to prevent the wholesale copying of DVDs like the CD problem they have in Asia.
There are some patent issues if you wanted to manufacture a DVD player and didn't license the appropriate patents, but itwould be far easier to just sue you, rather than going through this encryption stuff.
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If it can happen with DVD then presumably it will happen with Digital TV soon. What is going to stop people from downloading illegal decryption software for STB's or TV cards?
Speaking of this, I got a TV tuner last night and then while looking for better viewer software thant the piece of MS trash that comes with it I stumbled across the semi-german version of a program called FreeTV or MoreTV that descrambled cable PPV channels, but because the most of the docs and the program were in german I wasn't able to get it working, anyone know of an english version of this prog or a similar one? It would be interesting to look at, plus I could watch ALL the 'Wrastlin' PPVs for free! >:)
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Where did you get all of those links? Were you in contact with the authors that maybe knew where it had been distributed?
2 links would have been good. 5 links would have been great. This is just awesome. Already got the binary and the source. Thanks a lot.
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Explanation on legality of this information:
The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed. It was written by authors who expressly permitted and encourage the redistribution of this software and information. The purpose of this software is not, I repeat not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site are purely written by 3rd parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods, which is, again, completely legal. This software and information below make it possible for people who legally obtained their DVD movies to view them on their Linux systems.
Attention
www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:
NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.
UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.
I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:
Page last updated: Tue, Nov 16, 2:19pm EST
Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)
This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/
Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/
Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.t
Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
I was under the impression that there were some consumer-targetted RW DVD methods, but that they didn't have the full capacity of the pressed ones for whatever reason... and that thus, the industry doesn't (yet) have to worry about people distributing unlicensed DVD disks so much as online methods...
No, not YET. I think the DVD-R (orwhatever) are missing a GB or two, but the writeable DVD media are still in development, no single standard has 'won' yet. Somehow I think the winner will have large capacity. After all, that is the point of upgrading from CD-R...
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FreeTV works with the european systems which use a different protection method than the US. The european system uses VideoCrypt which actually scrambles the video by transposing and rotating scan lines. The US system just supresses the h-sync in the video. So, FreeTV won't work with the US cable system.
Theoretically, the US system should be easy to defeat if you have a tuner card which will dump the raw data from the cable. (I think I've figured out how to do this with a bt828 card, but I haven't actually tried it yet.)
Conceptually I know how to break it, since it's just the scrambled looking thing which is crystal clear, but all swapped around. I just don't have the programming skills to create one. Any idea where I might locate such a program that will work with the US cable system?
Anyone with info can e-mail me at the above address if you don't want to answer here for some odd reason.
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No, you are wrong.
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The idea was to prevent the wholesale copying of DVDs like the CD problem they have in Asia.
No, you are wrong.
Wholesale pirates have access to commercial grade DVD copying and pressing equipment, which as another poster noted is not affected by CSS at all.
Furthermore, wholesale DVD pirates have the option of recording from the analog output, redigitizing the result with only a small loss in quality, and pressing as many unencrypted DVDs as they wish. Minimal effort, minimal cost. Given the kinds of pirated movies that have been sold in the past (taken with a video camera in front of a screen for crying out loud!), quality is not a very important issue to pirates.
CSS is designed to restrict playback and limit fair use as provided for under the law, including but not limited to making backup copies or moving the data to a more convenient medium.
The MPAA has plenty of legal recourse, and muscle, to go after wholesale pirates. CSS is an effort to make an end-run around laws permitting individuals fair use, something the MPAA and movie studios can't stand, but have absolutely no LEGAL method of stopping (except by encryption and excersizing the draconian new rights they have been granted in the US through the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, which was snuck through on a voice vote during the height of the Clinton/Monica sex scandal.)
As I noted in another post, I will not be giving any money, directly or indirectly, to Hollywood until such a time as DVD is supported under Linux and their witch hunts stop. Yes, this means I'm making allot of use of the public library, local book stores, and local theaters and comedy clubs. Now that I'm hooked on the latter, I will probably be much less inclined to watch movies again even after the MPAA cleans up their act (should that optomistic expectation actually ever happen), as plays and comedy acts have actually turned out to be much more entertaining than any movie I've seen in the last several years. But that's another story altogether
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If I recall, there was a court ruling that indicated that making copy of software for archive purposes qualified as "fair use", and was therefore legal. Part of the reasoning behind the ruling was the fragility and unreliability of the floppy disks used to distribute software. I'm not sure if the same ruling would hold for software distributed by CD, and I'm pretty sure it would not hold for entertainment distributed by DVD.
On the other hand, I am not a lawyer, but I feel that the main argument for legality is a strong one. DeCSS is designed to enable private viewing of legally purchased DVD's, and the fact that it can be adapted to enable illegal copying of copyrighted materials is an incidental side effect and does not render the software illegal. Furthermore, it was reverse engineered in a country whose laws explicitly allow reverse engineering for interoperability purposes (i.e. making your DVD-Video work with Linux).
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Is it possible that when CNet gets the inevitible Cease and Desist letter from the RIAA, they plan on fighting for their right to distribute the software? That would be interesting.
Does anyone know of CNet's previous responses to such threats?
Greg
You didn't read the question I was responding to. My point is that the encryption scheme did not exist to get companies to join the DVD consortium, but to provide copy protection.
Yes, this means I'm making allot of use of the public library, local book stores, and local theaters and comedy clubs.
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Nor, for that matter is IP. Both are endowed by the lawmaking bodies of the nations where they exist.
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Hahaha, nice one! :-)
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