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SourceForge Goes Public Beta
Thanks to Tony for sending me the information on SourceForge. They've gone into public-beta, and having seen it yesterday, it looks super-cool. It's a free (as in beer) service to Open Source developers offering easy
access to CVS, mailing lists, bug tracking, message
boards/forums, task management, web site hosting, permanent file
archival, ftp downloads, full backups, and total web-based administration. Check out - and put your stuff in.
I'm puzzled. I thought that the Apple Public Source License has been certified by OSI to be Open Source compliant?
rm125 it was positive!
rm125 in the gazabo with the dildo
This is in response to a question about whether the site can be used for non-open source projects.
LILO boot: linux init=/usr/bin/emacs
That Verisign page claims that Netscape 4.06 and later are not affected. And the Y2K CA rollover is not supposed to happen until after 1/1/2000: "Netscape Communicator version 4.05 or earlier and Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 for Macintosh include a root CA certificate set to expire at the end of 1999. Users of these browsers will experience an additional dialog box when connecting securely with your site after January 1, 2000..."
Reading about this here, i found this project really interesting. I went to the site and was surprise to discover that they already have a lot of high-profile projects online( e.g. SAMBA, PCMCIA, cdrecord, MUTT and even Linux!!), i've visited these projects pages and continuously get the forementioned notice. The only thing that bothers me though is that they've put in projects that are already maintained somewhere else, and this is done by VA Linux Staff, not the original maintainers of the packages... Are the original maintainers aware of this? Or is this an attempt to rob their nest? I'm all for open source and i realize that anybody can distribute the results of open source projects but it bothers me when we're given the impression that this is the primary(official) site of development for the projets. Why not only host those projects that freely decide to make this there development site?
Sorry for the confusion there. Our intent was to promote these products in general and to give users something to download initially from our servers... sort of 'seeds'. We do print at the top of all 'seeded' project pages: NOTE: This project entry is maintained by the SourceForge staff. We are not the official site for this product. And we link to their own homepages as the project homepage. Should we not provide access to these projects at all, or is there a better way we could do this?
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Drew Streib, dtype.org
Oddly enough, I don't want to post this as myself, but if you go and look at the archives of the OpenProjects admin list, you'll see the real reason why VA dropped support for that and created SourceFrog: they're complete control freaks who can't stand anyone but their staff having root on a box that they provide, it seems.
There are real hosting projects (for software) or box sponsors (for large websites) out there if you're not willing to hand all your work over to the mercy of a private company. For example, OpenProjects Network is run by a deity of the small screen (lilo) in a truly open fashion.
And no, Mr Moderator, I'm not trolling. Check the sources: DiBona's message her e and lilo's startled response her e. You might like to get some idea about Chris DiBona's ego from the fact that his personal website is a Linux.Com "partner". I don't know of anyone else's personal site there.
i use a local cvs repository on my box for development. it'd be nice to have a pserver (why's it called pserver, anyway) so that other people can see the latest code or so i can when i'm not at home. the only problem is, i commit often and i don't want to have to have ppp up everytime i want to commit something.
possible solutions:
1. cvsup -- this is what freebsd uses extensively. only problem is, it's writting in modula-3. modula-3 compilers aren't available for every arch (eg, the ppc box i have at home)
2. rsync -- i've never used rsync before, but afaik, it should work fine for mirroring repositories.
thoughts?
I agree that you should promote these projects, but i think that there ought to be a better differentiation between those projects and the one that are really maintained at SourceForge. I would rather talk about a links or references page where you could get access to all these projects that are part of the Open Source community at large than to confused people about the actual maintenance site.
In the summary of services in the 'doc' area, it points to ftp space available... that of course doesn't have anything to do with CVS.
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10G = 10 Grand = ten thousand
SourceForge doesn't mandate that you use all of their services. You can pick and choose to use forums, CVS, mailing lists, etc. So, sure, if it fills a need put it up. You might also consider putting the program as a module alongside XCDRoast if you can arrange this with the XCDRoast developers.
This does not seem to be what's happening. The pages you referred to specify that this problem has to do with Versions older than 4.05.
I am Using Netscape Communicator 4.51, and still got the message that the site was using an unrecognized root certificate.
Hmm, just tried to view the site again, and the original pop up warning is now gone.
Ah. Now the pop-up appears when I click on 'New User via SSL'.
Anyone have additional information?
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I am having the same problem. I am using Communicator 4.7 (Linux)... This is interesting, cause they SAID it only happens with 4.07 and lesser. I am happy to see that Netscape is so up to date.
--Evan
what is the difference between free beer, and free free...?
Doesn't it seem like this could actually _make_ money? I mean, it's such a cool service by people who already know Open Source well. Why couldn't they do more than just give the service away?
Could they sell CDs, with SourceForge hosted software on them? As long as the authors approved?
I wonder if they've thought of this?
Would anyone give permission to do this? Especially if the per CD cost was low. I mean, you're getting hosting for free. If the CDs supported that service, would that be okay? You're already giving the software away.
More over, would people pay money to get authoritative versions of linux software compilations on CD?
Just a thought,
-c
"If you are an idealist it doesn't matter what you do or what goes on around you, because it isn't real anyway."-R.P.W.
I'm working on a game project with a friend of mine, and we're in desperate need of a CVS server. Unfortunately, I can't convince him that an open-source project is the way to go. Is there a commercial CVS service available somewhere? So I could pay X dollars a month for access to a CVS repository for myself and a friend? It seems like someone somewhere would have this service, but I've never been able to find it. All of the CVS services on the web (like sourceforge) are for open source projects only, which is fine, it just doesn't help me out.
All right. I am now very, very annoyed. I shouldn't be, but I am. Please forgive me.
I have been running a site (www.xnot.com) dedicated to hosting open source projects for four months now. CVS, Jitterbug, mailing lists, you name it, it's there. For four months, I have been paitently trying to get the word out about my site. Nada. Nil. Nyet. VA Linux basically turns and coughs and gets smack on the main page of Slashdot.
Please understand that this is not a criticism of VA Linux, nor of Slashdot, fine organizations that they are. I'm just very, very, very frustrated. And sometimes a little public venting helps.
Cameron Wellock
I got an account there, and then one day it just disappeared. Someone else appears to have bought the domain now, and they're selling a CD of some sort.
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Apparently they are working on an "Are you the owner of this project?" kind of link to get people in control of their own projects.
I am definetely going to put Source Forge to work. I've been needing a well-connected public CVS server for a while, and complete mailing list, bug tracking, and task list is just frosting.
Apparently there *are* other projects (XNOT) out there, but I had not heard of that until today either! I'm afraid I'm going to go with source forge.
Hey, dt, you've never actually seen XNOT, have you?
Just a thought.
I'm sure I'm being a little bit too sensitive here, but to me it seems that Mr. dtype is implying XNOT couldn't reliably host a tea party for grannies. How very unkind. VA's got what, a quarter of a billion dollars behind it, and dt has to stop to point out he's bigger than me? Bite me, you godless communist.
OK, I think I've got all that out of my system. I'll stop flaming now, I promise.
- Cameron Wellock, the profoundly irriated sysop at XNOT.
Disclaimer: The author of this post was not in a rational state of mind at the time this posting was made.
I'm planning on starting an open source project during winter vacation. It's interesting to find out about SourceForge offering all these services to open source developers. What further made me salivate was that while reading the comments, I found out about XNOT, and they've been doing the same thing for months.
I'm choosing to go with XNOT for my project for service reasons besides the fact that Slashdot frequently hosts VALinux ads. My project is going to be an RPG for the SVGALib. I don't need a database or ssh for a single player game. I pretty much chose XNOT because of their advertising policy. It would be nice to make a little bit of money for spending countless hours on a free and open source game. 50% of advertisement revenue is very generous. That wouldn't be possible if I went with SourceForge.
That's not what I got. Either you're not running a full strength Netscape or you need to go into your security configuration and disable all the insecure ciphers.
sadly to be offtopic.. but if RPI is rensaeler and RIT is rochester (no idea what else they are..), RPI is all NT except for some IBM RS/6000s (I think) running behind the scenes. course, my college runs IRIX & novell which I here isn't great either..
I've got something to do this weekend. I've still got a pretty bitter taste in the back of my throat after the Geocities/Yahoo! licensing fiasco, and have been looking for a new home. My congrats to the team at SourceForge for putting this together!
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What if it cost companies (consultants, agencies, etc.) more -not- to open-source their projects. What if it cost $10G in tools to get a closed-source project off the ground, but you could get world-class development tools for your open-source project for free.
Ack!
It's a free (as in beer)...
Mmmm...beer
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I suppose that they impose GPL or something else. I looked around but I couldn't find a word this though. Can somebody tell me if they enforce a liscence or can you choose something like a BSD liscence or a GPL liscence or can you make your own half-breed liscence?
This space for sale
A cool idea. I hope many emulate the spirit in which this was done.
However...
For legal reasons, we can't host strong-encryption products with code that originated outside of the US
This is the sort of thing we're going to see more and more. As far as I can see, the US government has two options:
1. Get rid of this silly 'munitions' rule
2. Accept that US companies will perpetually be at a disadvantage in international projects. I'm beginning to see this 'no encryption' message with increasing frequency; one pops up about once a week.
The policies look very generous (100MB web space, more if it seems justified, cgi-bin/, anon ftp) I just hope they don't get abused by those annoying folks that insist on putting warez and illegal mp3s on any free service they can.
When I tried to follow the suggested link, I got a certificate warning. The certificate appears to have been signed by Verisign, but the version of Netscape I'm running (4.5) doesn't recognize it. Anybody know what's going on here?
Had a dodgy certificate that explorer didn't like...
And the projects that are there seem to be focused mirroring other projects
Finally - could you/would you trust someone else to keep a server up 24-7 for your source code? My experience of projects is that they need more than cvs/mailinglist. They need coordinated web site and people close by to make it all work
So. I am not moving from my work machine yet. But I guess this is the way things are going to go
ewan
Slashdot: quit posting retarded shit slashdot: geo: your rr routher is going down tonight hehe
There are a -lot- of servers offering these kinds of facilities, so what does SourceForge have that the others don't?
(I'm not saying it doesn't have an advantage, only that someone needs to point it out to me, if I'm to even get an inkling why someone wouldn't use one of the other facilities.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
> Finally - could you/would you trust someone else to
/lot/ of things that can go wrong), you're hosed.
/really/ cool is if they rolled up all the software that they use and distributed /that/. Each of the components (CVS, a mail server, mailing list software, etc) is easy. Tying them all together is not so trivial. If I could go to a new development team here at work and say, "Good, your new server is working. Here are all the tools you'll need, tied together," type a little, and be done... ohhhhh...
> keep a server up 24-7 for your source code?
This is a very good point, but there's an obvious bigger problem. Not only do their machines have to be up and running, but you have to be able to get to them. If something between you and them goes down (and there are a
What would be
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
My company developped a killer server but decided to focus on other stuff so we still have the code lying around.. This is just what we need to facilitate opening up the source.
Our fear is that if we open up the source then we might do a Mozilla and screw up royally. Even with this great site, we still would need to support the server in some manner, but as this site grows in acceptance - as more and more developpers/testers/users use it for various projects- the more likely that other people could take over support.
A lot of eyes will be focused on sourceforge.com.
Female Prison Rape in NY
Well.. basically I think of it as a one stop shop. I get all the bug tracking, forums, mailing lists, anything that I want for my OSS project. And if you can think of something that we're missing.. submit a feature request, there's a decent chance it'll get done.
- U
XNOT has been doing this for a while, only better. Not beta, free CVS, page hosting, chat, FTP, an' all that. I'd take a look there too if you're interested in finding a host for a free software project.
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You need to be logged in to submit a bug. I just submitted a bug about the blank page you get back when trying to submit a bug and not logged in. :) As for the certificate, it works for me (Netscape 4.7) -- I'll put a report in about that as well.
This sounds extremely cool... but what advantages does it have to what is already around? I suppose there are some... I have never used it, if you have please reply and inform :) Oh, and I ordered a Gnome shirt from Copyleft seven weeks ago and it still isn't here so if you are or know someone who works there accost them until I get the goods ;)
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
jdube is who I am.
I must sya that this is the first time of have heard of a service like this, even though there are apparently others (XNOT).
/. when I wrote this. I like Mozilla. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Similar to, but not quite the same as a quick shot of whiskey. No, mozilla is not on sourceforge.)
So does this mean that in the future we'll see a lot more of the following: ?
New Mozilla Milestone Release
Posted by Roblimo on 03:94 AM November 18th 2019
from the about-time-they-got-around-to-it dept.
Mozilla Milestone 1,256 is out. Go for it! Get it from Sourceforge
(Note: I in no way mean to insult Rob or mozilla. It's just the example I pulled off
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How about Freshmeat at http://www.freshmeat.net?
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Gauging from the number of insolent pezboy lameass hacker wannabe script-kiddie posts, I'd say the kids riding the short bus just got home. Go back to your little IRC cave and inbreed some more or something.
Based upon the "free, as in beer" comment in the article, I'm guessing that the SourceForge software (scripts and friends) are not available for public consumption. However, I was unable to confirm this after several minutes of perusing. Does anyone know for sure that the source is not available? If so, will it ever be available?
While we're on the subject of free resources for open source/free software developers, I would like ot take this opportunity to shamelessly plug Advogato, a new site I'm launching.
Advogato is an advocate for free software developers, as opposed to free software users or free software businesses. The main features now are a Slashdot-style news flow and a cool diary server.
One of the central features is an implementation of the peer certification work I'm doing for my PhD research. The site uses a group trust metric to determine membership in the community of free software developers. Only members can post, which is my crack at the S/N problem.
If you are a free software developer, you are warmly invited to join, poke around, and participate. Others are welcome to poke around.
ObOnTopic: From a look over their site, SourceForge looks impressive as hell. With VA's backing, they inspire quite a bit of confidence that they'll be able to handle the load. This can only be of benefit to Linux, free software in general, and of course VA.
LILO boot: linux init=/usr/bin/emacs
nice comments on that latest article
Ack....
Well, there goes my hosting of open source projects. And heck, while I'm at it guess I'll drop my own projects on their server, save me some admin hassel.
This looks to be a serious, shattering even development. Anything wrong with the way things are set up? I read the docs and I can't see anything wrong at this time.
Lando
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The main difference is probably the hardware and a full time staff and Linux company behind it. We're not trying to compete with anyone on this, just trying to give something to the OpenSource community. In the end, I think having 'competing' services like this will drive them all to be better.
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Drew Streib, dtype.org
Ok so I wrote a small program that converts an mpg into a format suitable for XCDRoast (including the information file). I'd like to give others access, but I don't want to trudge through CVS and all of the other administrivia. Where can I drop a small hack for the rest of the world to pick it up?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
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