even so, using the plural "bases" would be appropriate if the quote were more like "these are just opinions with no bases in fact" rather than the case where this was being used ("an opinion that has no bases in fact"). it seems like it's understood that even multiple components of a root for a single item would be referred to as a singular "basis".
I sometimes think that the moderatos don't have sufficient classifications for the work they do. "Pedantic" would probably get a LOT of starters if it were available, as would "Droll", "Boring" and "Provocative", but not necessarily on the same post. Perhaps "Off Topic but Funny" deserves a chance, as well.
The expedition of the fishing writes inside with a history in Ars that it discloses that the RIAA has decided to repeal the decision of a judge to the honoraria of the lawyers of the concession to the demanded Debbie to foster in files of capitol v. to foster. If the concession is stopped, the RIAA could be in numerous hardship in other cases, and he knows it. Its true fear, than the honoraria of the lawyers, is more the judge who finds that the discussions of the RIAA for the contributarias demands and vicarious of the infraction in cases as this one is not viable.
On the other hand, you're lucky to get a month out of those bulbs, while you won't be replacing the tubes for something on the order of 10 years.
I hate to be a killjoy on thios topic, but so far I haven't had a single example of a 10 year fluoro bulb. Closer to 5 tops, by my reckoning, and as I said above, i have a house where all the light fittings that can do, carry this type of bulb.
Admittedly, a lot of the time I'm buying on price rather than brand rep[utation, but even when i've purchased GE or Philips, I've seen very little difference in that life.
It's not a bad life for a bulb, but neither is it as good as ten years, I'm afraid.
Garage is fine for Aussies - the shed may or may not be synonymous with the garage (my "shed" is actually inside the house - I call it my study - the rest of the family call it "his room!").
Just to make saure all are on the same wavelength (no pun intended), the fluorescents that they are talking of here are not the 4 ft long monsters that festoon every public place you walk into, but raqther the Edison Screw and Bayonet Fitting lightbulb replacement, that has two, four or six thin fluore\scent protruberences up to about six inches long protruding from them. I've been using them throughout my house for nearly 15 years, now, and am happy with the light produced, and more than happy with the cost savings.
A couple of caveats, though. One is that if you use current-style light dimming, you can't use current generation fluorescent bulbs. Another is that unless the manufacturers ramp up pretty quickly, there is a whole raft of light bulb types that will not adequately be replaced by fluorescent bulbs, including all those high power halogen types, used in outdoor area lighting, projecters, and such, high power outdoor flood lights, small (oven iterior type) lamps, and all types of car illumination.
As long as they don't throw the baby out with the bath water (you shouldn't throw bath water out here - we're in the middle of a drought), I don't see too many problems with most people switching to the cheaper form of power.
I've never heard a francophone - is it anything like a sousaphone?;)
On a serious note, I like to think that I live in a country with the best police force that money can buy.
We have a state government who will pay for the defence of any police officer hauled up by the state's own corruption investigator on corruption charges, and some very strong links between certain officers of the serious crimes unit and their opposite numbers on the other side of the law enforcement fence.
As for speed cameras - a LOT of them are run for the state by private concerns, but like you, we don't often hear of police officers being "blued" for speeding.
Copyright and patent have little to do with plagiarism
"The false presentation of someone else's writing as one's own. In the case of copyrighted work, plagiarism is illegal." (from Google definition of plagiarism - plagiarism by me, of course)
OK, so remove copyright, and plagiarism isn't illegal any more, so what do you do to stop it, then? OK if you're in acedemia, but the rest of the world no longer has any rules against it.
Again, the world doesn't owe anyone a living. Copyright and patent law, however, assume just that. If you invent something, and you don't profit as much as you'd like, tough titties. It was your free choice to sink the costs on invention, and it is just wrong for you to expect the rest of us, who can actually play well together, to prop you up.
Interesting, but beside the point. Without copyright and patent, just about the ONLY way to make a profit out of your intellectual work is to keep it secret from the rest of the world - as happened before the patent laws came into being - and just sell the end results to people who don't have any insight into the process that produced the product. Making information freer by removing such laws? The opposite, actually!
No amount of hurt feelings or shattered worldview on your part will change that. My feelings aren't hurt, and my world view is quite solid, thank you very much.
There's nothing healthy about the way the likes of the RIAA
The RIAA has about as much to do with the proper use of copyright as a pork sausage has to do with Jewry. The RIAA is a knee jerk reaction by a group of people who never actually invented / developed / wrote anything, are stealing the original authors inventors of just about everything,and don't want to see their little monopoly destroyed by people pirating "their" wares. They have nothing whatsoever to do with where I am coming from in this. I don't pirate music, video or film, but I don't condone RIAA, either.
IBM, MS, SUN (and yes, even SCO - sometime back in the dim, dark ages), along with Warner Brothers, Sony, Apple Merck, Ford, GM and many other organizations own works that they have paid for the development of, and have furnished the environment, the facilities and the people to develop. Remove the protection of copyright and patent, and they have absolutely no reason to continue to develop products and ideas - they will sit back and wait for someone else to develop it, so that they can take it and use it for their own purposes.
Currently, Linux is actually protected by the same conventions that protect IBM and MS. Take them away, and you'll see the likes of MS and IBM actively marketing Linux for their own profit, and under your vision of the patentless model of the future, they would be fully entitled to do so. You want that?
Why? To prove that we aren't a bunch of hypocrites?
YES!
And by steal I do not mean copy, I mean make a trivial change, then take credit for it, and copyright it under your own name as if it were entirely your own work, and then deny its use to all who do not pay you extortionate fees
And as I pointed out above, that is EXACTLY where you are heading if you do away with patent and copyright laws. Instead of weakening them, you should be arguing for strengthening them, to remove the ability of the likes of the hackers of this world to subvert copyright because they are too cheap to actually pay for what they consume.
Stop putting those words in our mouths.
Sounds awfully like the pot calling the kettle black, to me. Microsoft et al are tried, convicted and executed on the basis of an article on the web "attributed" to anonymous persons, and you talk about people putting words into people's mouths!
BTW, I also have produced my fair share of freeware, downloadable by anyone who would like to do so, but I don't think of that as anything other than a hobby, and not something that I would for an instant want to prevent anyone from taking, modifying and reposting. It would be no skin off my nose if they did.
Seriously, if you don't like openness, what the hell are you doing on slashdot of all places? You don't have to be here, you know.
Still anonymous, od course. And who gave YOU the right to determine who "fits" in/. and who doesn't? Freedom of speech OK as long as everyone agrees with everything you want them to say, but not when someone disagrees with you? Nice person!
You think that the Linux etc "model" is the only one that should apply? Let's see you develop, in a group, a cure for one of the cancers, or an answer to the atmospheric carbon dioxide problem. Not a chance! And remove the ability of whoever invents it to recoup their costs, as well! You selfish turd!
And no, I haven't patented anything, and am unlikely ever to patent anything, but I do agree that you get what you pay for, and that is a major reason why I, and many others, have stayed away from Linux in droves. If the model worked, everyone would be using it. But they don't, and they won't, because it's basically badly flawed. Same goes of oOo, and your beloved Wikipedia.
So rather than whining like a little bitch that some people are willing to step up and do something about a criminal organization, you should maybe think about showing some integrity and not work for a company who's entire business model is based on crime.
Look shithead. You are the one who chose to go to work for the mafia, take some fucking responsibility for yourslef and quit blaming other people for holding you responsible for your actions.
In short, eat shit and I dearly hope that you do get gunned down. You made your choices and that would be a positive result of such a sleazy immoral choice. If you honestly have a problem with this, the solution is easy. Get a job at a non criminal company.
Oh, right, another big brave AC, I see.
I would brand this juvenile, only it isn't
It's peurile, yes, but on the "sicko" side rather than just the wandering ravings of a pre-teen dickhead with aspirations to be Batman or similar.
Grow up, kiddy. Microsoft isn't a single corporation, and the people who i have had contact with in the Games area are as decent a set of people as you would find anywhere, unlike yourself.
No, I don't work for Microsoft, have never worked for Microsoft, and never will work for Microsoft, but I can at least respect the personal integrity of the vast majority of the people working for them.
They don't deserve this crap, even for a pre-pube twat like you.
The mathematics of information are just not those of physical property, and it's just wrong to treat it as such. Pandering to the psychopathic corporate control freaks in the USA is not the direction humanity should take, it's time to abolish the patent system worldwide.
And you'll come out and say this openly (not behind the AC tag) when?????
The holes in your argument are astounding. Patents and IC laws have absolutely nothing to do with "corporate control freaks in the USA", and everything to do with healthy competition. You suggest, break down all the barriers, let anyone use any design, any idea, without payment! OK, then, let's see your earth shattering design that has been your life's work, and that you're willing to put out there for everyone to benefit from, for free.
It's usually the people who know nothing, think nothing, and will never, ever add to the store of man's knowledge who are all in favour of "opening up" the intellectual capital of the world (and everything else - cheaper petrol, electrical power is my right, water shouldn't cost, medicine should be free, etc, etc) for their own exploitation, and you, my friend, sound as though you fit right into that category.
I'm sorry, but I can't accept the absolutely piratical attitude that comes out sounding so self righteous and pious in posts like this. The world obviously owes you a living, and you would have no hesitiation to take without returning, as long as you can get away with it.
Back in the 20th century, there was a (then) well documented case of one of the early viruses being developed and distributed by a couple of enterprising Pakistanis, who only infected software thast they sold to westerners "passing through", on the basis that the westerners who purchased pirated software could afford to buy the real product, and they shouldn't be mean and buy o product at a price that the people who couldn't afford to pay top dollar for the original product were being offered! Some sort of warped sense of responsibility, there, I'd suggest.
Patents are logically justified on the position that it is impossible to run out of ideas.
No, patents are logically justified on the position that the person who devised the object or idea being patented should be rewarded for their insight and effort. Removing patents effectively removes a major incentive for coming up with workable objects or ideas, or at least dissuades the inventor from making the invention available to the public.
If Microsoft couldn't patent, say, the intellectual capital in it's latest tools, so that all and sundtry could copy them without any paying back to the inventor, why on earth would Microsoft bother to invent new tools and processes? Same goes for any intellectual capital (patent or copyright), especially in the transient worlds of software, music, film, and print.
I am not an aircraft enthusiast and so this may be a silly question: exactly how is a WWI biplane a stealth design?
If I remember rightly, there was a NATE exercise back in the 20th century, where one of the objects was to penetrate US air space without being bounced by some supersonic jet-jock. The Poms managed it with a WW1 biplane at the time - even when it was picked up on radar, no-one on the ground could tell what it was, or in which direction it was going.
British Stammering Association (or should that be the BSSSSA
British Socialogical Association
or the British Swimming Association
With that lot to choose from, who'd a thunk it was the Business Software Alliance that everyone was thinking of when they saw those letters. Must be a lot of guilty consciences out there, fo sure!
Oh, I dunno. As a poor student living in Cambridge (England - town, not gown), spam fritters were quite a good Saturday night supper, provided you also had mushy peas and lots of dead horse.
Not unless the volume of broadband available has some correlation with IQ. I'd just reckon that the cities that made the list are the havens for the biggest black patch brigades - you know, P2P file "sharing"?
And games - don't forget about computer games.
Not to mention the indulgence of those communities in the pornographic "arts".
Sorry, call me a bad loser, but there's no way that I would accept that the penetration of the internet can ever equate to intelligence - rather the opposite, in fact!
I don't doubt that there are major problems with their process and/or software - just questioning whether the bugginess is actually "hiding" real pirated software from some people. If Microsoft had gotten it right, 100%, first time, we would have no reason to question why the shring-wrapped copy from the shop was genuine or not, and I'm suggesting that when this is the case, we should probably be asking that question - of Microsoft.
Just because you have purchased a shrink-wrapped copy from a high street vendor, how can you be certain that they are not pirate copies? Microsoft (in a link from one of yesterday's threads) showed a genuine and a pirated "retail OEM" side-by-side, and I'd have to agree that spotting the difference, at least from the packaging, was very difficult.
How many of you with "legal / pirate" copies actually asked Microsoft just what is going on? I understand that they have (in the past, at least - not sure about today) taken a very fair look at people who have been cheated, and have followed up to close down the actual pirates.
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I sometimes think that the moderatos don't have sufficient classifications for the work they do. "Pedantic" would probably get a LOT of starters if it were available, as would "Droll", "Boring" and "Provocative", but not necessarily on the same post. Perhaps "Off Topic but Funny" deserves a chance, as well.
Which language pair was this translated through?
I hate to be a killjoy on thios topic, but so far I haven't had a single example of a 10 year fluoro bulb. Closer to 5 tops, by my reckoning, and as I said above, i have a house where all the light fittings that can do, carry this type of bulb.
Admittedly, a lot of the time I'm buying on price rather than brand rep[utation, but even when i've purchased GE or Philips, I've seen very little difference in that life.
It's not a bad life for a bulb, but neither is it as good as ten years, I'm afraid.
Garage is fine for Aussies - the shed may or may not be synonymous with the garage (my "shed" is actually inside the house - I call it my study - the rest of the family call it "his room!").
Just to make saure all are on the same wavelength (no pun intended), the fluorescents that they are talking of here are not the 4 ft long monsters that festoon every public place you walk into, but raqther the Edison Screw and Bayonet Fitting lightbulb replacement, that has two, four or six thin fluore\scent protruberences up to about six inches long protruding from them. I've been using them throughout my house for nearly 15 years, now, and am happy with the light produced, and more than happy with the cost savings.
A couple of caveats, though. One is that if you use current-style light dimming, you can't use current generation fluorescent bulbs. Another is that unless the manufacturers ramp up pretty quickly, there is a whole raft of light bulb types that will not adequately be replaced by fluorescent bulbs, including all those high power halogen types, used in outdoor area lighting, projecters, and such, high power outdoor flood lights, small (oven iterior type) lamps, and all types of car illumination.
As long as they don't throw the baby out with the bath water (you shouldn't throw bath water out here - we're in the middle of a drought), I don't see too many problems with most people switching to the cheaper form of power.
I'll throw another shrimp on the barby for ya!
I've never heard a francophone - is it anything like a sousaphone? ;)
On a serious note, I like to think that I live in a country with the best police force that money can buy.
We have a state government who will pay for the defence of any police officer hauled up by the state's own corruption investigator on corruption charges, and some very strong links between certain officers of the serious crimes unit and their opposite numbers on the other side of the law enforcement fence.
As for speed cameras - a LOT of them are run for the state by private concerns, but like you, we don't often hear of police officers being "blued" for speeding.
And because YOU say that, Mr/Mrs/Ms Anonymous, it MUST, of course, be true!
"The false presentation of someone else's writing as one's own. In the case of copyrighted work, plagiarism is illegal." (from Google definition of plagiarism - plagiarism by me, of course)
OK, so remove copyright, and plagiarism isn't illegal any more, so what do you do to stop it, then? OK if you're in acedemia, but the rest of the world no longer has any rules against it.
Again, the world doesn't owe anyone a living. Copyright and patent law, however, assume just that. If you invent something, and you don't profit as much as you'd like, tough titties. It was your free choice to sink the costs on invention, and it is just wrong for you to expect the rest of us, who can actually play well together, to prop you up.Interesting, but beside the point. Without copyright and patent, just about the ONLY way to make a profit out of your intellectual work is to keep it secret from the rest of the world - as happened before the patent laws came into being - and just sell the end results to people who don't have any insight into the process that produced the product. Making information freer by removing such laws? The opposite, actually!
No amount of hurt feelings or shattered worldview on your part will change that. My feelings aren't hurt, and my world view is quite solid, thank you very much.Oh, and by the way, Thank you for not hiding behind AC, as every other responder in this mini-thread has done. I appreciate it.
Isn't it past your bed time?
The RIAA has about as much to do with the proper use of copyright as a pork sausage has to do with Jewry. The RIAA is a knee jerk reaction by a group of people who never actually invented / developed / wrote anything, are stealing the original authors inventors of just about everything ,and don't want to see their little monopoly destroyed by people pirating "their" wares. They have nothing whatsoever to do with where I am coming from in this. I don't pirate music, video or film, but I don't condone RIAA, either.
IBM, MS, SUN (and yes, even SCO - sometime back in the dim, dark ages), along with Warner Brothers, Sony, Apple Merck, Ford, GM and many other organizations own works that they have paid for the development of, and have furnished the environment, the facilities and the people to develop. Remove the protection of copyright and patent, and they have absolutely no reason to continue to develop products and ideas - they will sit back and wait for someone else to develop it, so that they can take it and use it for their own purposes.
Currently, Linux is actually protected by the same conventions that protect IBM and MS. Take them away, and you'll see the likes of MS and IBM actively marketing Linux for their own profit, and under your vision of the patentless model of the future, they would be fully entitled to do so. You want that?
Why? To prove that we aren't a bunch of hypocrites?YES!
And by steal I do not mean copy, I mean make a trivial change, then take credit for it, and copyright it under your own name as if it were entirely your own work, and then deny its use to all who do not pay you extortionate feesAnd as I pointed out above, that is EXACTLY where you are heading if you do away with patent and copyright laws. Instead of weakening them, you should be arguing for strengthening them, to remove the ability of the likes of the hackers of this world to subvert copyright because they are too cheap to actually pay for what they consume.
Stop putting those words in our mouths.Sounds awfully like the pot calling the kettle black, to me. Microsoft et al are tried, convicted and executed on the basis of an article on the web "attributed" to anonymous persons, and you talk about people putting words into people's mouths!
BTW, I also have produced my fair share of freeware, downloadable by anyone who would like to do so, but I don't think of that as anything other than a hobby, and not something that I would for an instant want to prevent anyone from taking, modifying and reposting. It would be no skin off my nose if they did.
Still anonymous, od course. And who gave YOU the right to determine who "fits" in/. and who doesn't? Freedom of speech OK as long as everyone agrees with everything you want them to say, but not when someone disagrees with you? Nice person!
You think that the Linux etc "model" is the only one that should apply? Let's see you develop, in a group, a cure for one of the cancers, or an answer to the atmospheric carbon dioxide problem. Not a chance! And remove the ability of whoever invents it to recoup their costs, as well! You selfish turd!
And no, I haven't patented anything, and am unlikely ever to patent anything, but I do agree that you get what you pay for, and that is a major reason why I, and many others, have stayed away from Linux in droves. If the model worked, everyone would be using it. But they don't, and they won't, because it's basically badly flawed. Same goes of oOo, and your beloved Wikipedia.
Look shithead. You are the one who chose to go to work for the mafia, take some fucking responsibility for yourslef and quit blaming other people for holding you responsible for your actions.
In short, eat shit and I dearly hope that you do get gunned down. You made your choices and that would be a positive result of such a sleazy immoral choice. If you honestly have a problem with this, the solution is easy. Get a job at a non criminal company.
Oh, right, another big brave AC, I see.
I would brand this juvenile, only it isn't
It's peurile, yes, but on the "sicko" side rather than just the wandering ravings of a pre-teen dickhead with aspirations to be Batman or similar.
Grow up, kiddy. Microsoft isn't a single corporation, and the people who i have had contact with in the Games area are as decent a set of people as you would find anywhere, unlike yourself.
No, I don't work for Microsoft, have never worked for Microsoft, and never will work for Microsoft, but I can at least respect the personal integrity of the vast majority of the people working for them.
They don't deserve this crap, even for a pre-pube twat like you.
And you'll come out and say this openly (not behind the AC tag) when?????
The holes in your argument are astounding. Patents and IC laws have absolutely nothing to do with "corporate control freaks in the USA", and everything to do with healthy competition. You suggest, break down all the barriers, let anyone use any design, any idea, without payment! OK, then, let's see your earth shattering design that has been your life's work, and that you're willing to put out there for everyone to benefit from, for free.
It's usually the people who know nothing, think nothing, and will never, ever add to the store of man's knowledge who are all in favour of "opening up" the intellectual capital of the world (and everything else - cheaper petrol, electrical power is my right, water shouldn't cost, medicine should be free, etc, etc) for their own exploitation, and you, my friend, sound as though you fit right into that category.
I'm sorry, but I can't accept the absolutely piratical attitude that comes out sounding so self righteous and pious in posts like this. The world obviously owes you a living, and you would have no hesitiation to take without returning, as long as you can get away with it.
Back in the 20th century, there was a (then) well documented case of one of the early viruses being developed and distributed by a couple of enterprising Pakistanis, who only infected software thast they sold to westerners "passing through", on the basis that the westerners who purchased pirated software could afford to buy the real product, and they shouldn't be mean and buy o product at a price that the people who couldn't afford to pay top dollar for the original product were being offered! Some sort of warped sense of responsibility, there, I'd suggest.
No, patents are logically justified on the position that the person who devised the object or idea being patented should be rewarded for their insight and effort. Removing patents effectively removes a major incentive for coming up with workable objects or ideas, or at least dissuades the inventor from making the invention available to the public.
If Microsoft couldn't patent, say, the intellectual capital in it's latest tools, so that all and sundtry could copy them without any paying back to the inventor, why on earth would Microsoft bother to invent new tools and processes? Same goes for any intellectual capital (patent or copyright), especially in the transient worlds of software, music, film, and print.
If I remember rightly, there was a NATE exercise back in the 20th century, where one of the objects was to penetrate US air space without being bounced by some supersonic jet-jock. The Poms managed it with a WW1 biplane at the time - even when it was picked up on radar, no-one on the ground could tell what it was, or in which direction it was going.
Boy Scouts of America
Birmingham Small Arms
Broadcasting Standards Authority
Boston Society of Architects
Building Societies Association
Botanical Society of America
British Stammering Association (or should that be the BSSSSA
British Socialogical Association
or the British Swimming Association
With that lot to choose from, who'd a thunk it was the Business Software Alliance that everyone was thinking of when they saw those letters. Must be a lot of guilty consciences out there, fo sure!
Oh, I dunno. As a poor student living in Cambridge (England - town, not gown), spam fritters were quite a good Saturday night supper, provided you also had mushy peas and lots of dead horse.
i fyny eiddo, mabolgamp
Not me!
I'll give you a clue.....G'day sport!
Not unless the volume of broadband available has some correlation with IQ. I'd just reckon that the cities that made the list are the havens for the biggest black patch brigades - you know, P2P file "sharing"?
And games - don't forget about computer games.
Not to mention the indulgence of those communities in the pornographic "arts".
Sorry, call me a bad loser, but there's no way that I would accept that the penetration of the internet can ever equate to intelligence - rather the opposite, in fact!
I don't doubt that there are major problems with their process and/or software - just questioning whether the bugginess is actually "hiding" real pirated software from some people. If Microsoft had gotten it right, 100%, first time, we would have no reason to question why the shring-wrapped copy from the shop was genuine or not, and I'm suggesting that when this is the case, we should probably be asking that question - of Microsoft.
Just because you have purchased a shrink-wrapped copy from a high street vendor, how can you be certain that they are not pirate copies? Microsoft (in a link from one of yesterday's threads) showed a genuine and a pirated "retail OEM" side-by-side, and I'd have to agree that spotting the difference, at least from the packaging, was very difficult.
How many of you with "legal / pirate" copies actually asked Microsoft just what is going on? I understand that they have (in the past, at least - not sure about today) taken a very fair look at people who have been cheated, and have followed up to close down the actual pirates.