That's the point... electric universe doesn't try to address unresolved problems, it tries to tell us that problems we've solved over the past 100 years were solved wrong, even though there's technology built and used EVERY SINGLE DAY based on those solutions. The sin is some lying little conman trying to make money off the pseudo-science electric universe crap when it is WRONG. You're either too stupid to understand that, or you are the lying conman.
I get it, physics is hard... and stupid people who can't learn it wish it was easier. It ain't. Deal with it.
"At best, the 'electric universe' is a solution in search of a problem; it seeks to explain things we already understand very well through gravity, plasma and nuclear physics, and the like," said astronomer Phil Plait, who runs the blog Bad Astronomy at Slate. "At worst it's sheer crackpottery like homeopathy and astrology, making claims clearly contradicted by the evidence."
And here's part of the con....
One hundred seventy-five people donate $1,905 per month to the Thunderbolts Project Patreon campaign for video production.
"We know stars generate energy through nuclear fusion, not plasma discharge; we know craters are formed from asteroid and comet impacts, not huge electric arcs; we absolutely know that special and general relativity work, despite some EU proponents' claims," said Plait, who has tangled with EU commenters a time or two. "From what I've seen, most EU claims are on the cranky end of [the] scale. That's why most astronomers ignore it: No evidence for it, tons of evidence against it, and no support mathematically or physically."
Electric universe is bullshit, regardless of whether you post using your name or as an anon coward. The "bias" against EU is because it is pure shit, explains nothing, and requires us to throw away the last 100 years of progress. Only a fucking idiot would suggest that.
Tell yah what, my new theory is the universe came into being when my pet 6 foot tall invisible rabbit shit it out. Guess what... that has as much "science" behind it as the electric universe shit. Actually, as electric universe made some predictions that proved WRONG, and i haven't done that with my rabbit... my rabbit is better scientifically than the electric universe bullshit.
You're not doing science... you're doing religion trying to masquerade as science, and you're either incredibly stupid and have no understanding of the scientific method, or you're a fucking con artist trying to make a buck.
The predicted outcome: no one takes electric universe seriously because it is bullshit pseudo-science... yet we'll keep having out planes, ships, cars, and hikers navigate fine because RELATIVITY WORKS. The "crux" is, you're either lying, or have fallen for a lie. Your choice, and i don't really care, because you can't talk to someone who doesn't even acknowledge reality.... Relativity works, and electric universe hasn't done shit (and requires relativity to not work). You are nothing more than a religious zealot, too stupid to understand reality.
Every time relativity has been put to the test, it's been shown to be correct. As for Newton, most everyone knew there were problems with his gravitational theory in the 1890's... try to keep up. http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/use... Newton gravity doesn't even account for the time differences from the ground to a GPS satellite. Newton didn't have satellites to contend with, so he never saw that particular problem... so he never knew it was a problem to fix. But, that's what science does... as technology progresses, we have to revisit earlier ideas to account for new observations. Hence, yes, Relativity replaced Newton's gravity.
Gravitational lensing has been a mathematical thing longer than General Relativity has been published. http://www.einstein-online.inf... In 1979 the first one was found, just as had been predicted. We understand them fairly well (the mechanism). So, just like EVERY OTHER prediction Relativity makes that has undergone experimental testing, Relativity was shown to be correct.
Electric universe bullshit, on the other hand, has no math behind it, has no observational data, and can't even find what few things it predicted we'd find. It's complete and utter bullshit trying to legitimize itself as science via really stupid people continuing to bring it up every chance they get. Additionally, Relativity has to be wrong for the electric universe cult of stupidity to be right. Yet experiments keep showing Relativity is correct.
Electric universe wise, even Alfvén can't find his radio transmissions that are REQUIRED. EU is complete and utter bullshit. It's not a new idea, it's an older idea that was disproven a couple decades ago.... it's just really stupid people keep bringing it up. It's not science, it's a quasi-religious pseudoscience cult of stupidity driven by their need to con people out of money for their t-shirts.
If you put forth a scientific hypothesis, and the only predictions it makes are shown to be wrong, your hypothesis is wrong. In the case of electric universe, that doesn't dissuade the fucking idiots from trying to make a buck off it conning people... or posting anon to try to defend complete rubbish. EU is the very definition of your cargo cult science, while people suggesting relativity, which has been verified EVERY SINGLE TIME it's been tested for 99 years now is... those people are complete fucking idiots.
Electric Universe crap is bullshit. It explains nothing, and requires Einstein to be wrong.... he wasn't, and the electric universe cult of morons can't even come up with math to show their own bullshit might be right, let alone any observational data that does. Give up your religious Eu bullshit and quit being stupid.
And from a human point of vantage on planet dirt, it's anywhere... at least until your eyes burn out. Advisor tip #47a: stick with looking at the moon.
There's lot of lensed galaxies, but few that show on both sides of the object as a ring; most are a single image lense. Abel 1689 is a great view of a lot of single sided ones (just because i absolutely love this pic) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
His only familiarity with finance is how to con people out of their money. His only skill is to con idiots into believing he's smart, well, and filing bankruptcy papers... he's damn good at that.
The problem with the USPS... republican congress shitheads who don't know a fucking thing about business.
Trumps a whiny little narcissistic piece of shit with the emotional stability of a two year old with crap filled diapers... a perfect representative for the anti-American fascist GOP.
No, the accounting wasn't wrong. Because you don't like the way they did it, like virtually EVERY OTHER BUSINESS doesn't mean it was wrong... kit means you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Learn about what you're discussing before spewing bullshit. You clearly don't know shit about accounting.
And when Fedex and UPS are asked if they want to reach EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT IN THE COUNTRY EVERY SINGLE DAY..... their answer is no. Fedex and UPS don't want to compete with USPS, a small fact republicans can't seem to understand.
USPS is part of the government. The points you make are entirely moot, as the federal government pays none of those. The articles you've read are bullshit for stupid people, most likely written by people who hate the fact we actually have a federal government. Your post isn't informative, it's just fucking stupid.
USPS actually posts a profit UNTIL you take in to account the forced 100% funding of retirement benefits for workers they'll have in the future who are not even born yet. Why? Stupid fucking idiot republicans in the 2006 congress who didn't know shit about business. When you put stupid in office, you get stupid shit like this.
The reason "science" is losing it's credibility is really stupid people, who don't understand "science," and who prefer to be intentionally stupid and not learn, keep making posts like yours. Or rather, it's why "science" is losing credibility with really stupid people.
Complete bullshit... that's all you have. You're not doing science, you're not learning science... EU is a quasi-religious cult trying to gain some acceptance as science, and is nothing more than trash for imbeciles. You want it to be 1918, before the first (of many) experiments corroborated Einsteins predictions.... it's not. You put forth trash, and wonder why people with a decent education call you on your bullshit. You really shouldn't, because what you're really doing is trying to sell Piltdown Man; air, earth, fire, and water are not the four elements that make up everything.... and the electric universe bullshit is on the same level as both those.
I get it, you come to forums like this because you're stupid fucking arguments get shredded when you talk to anyone who actually has a high school level education in physics. Get used to it, because you're not doing anything useful by intentionally being a fucking idiot.
GPS works. Old television sets worked. Particle accelerators work. Radar guns work. Supercomputers work. Telecommunication satellite work. THAT is Relativity. Your worthless shit electric universe does nothing, period; it predicts nothing, it explains nothing.... and along the way we'd have to abandon the past 50+ years of technology that actually DOES work. That is fucking stupid.
You are a cultist. You're either one of the conmen, or one of the sheep, but intentionally being stupid isn't the way to go. EU isn't science, and defending Relativity is pretty fucking easy with 99 years of positive experimental confirmations, as well as a pretty fucking significant array of technology that requires it.... technology that actually works. EU isn't innovation... it's a backwards step into the steaming pile of shit of intentional ignorance.
You're right... EU has no central thesis because it's a mashed up bunch of shit. The few predictions it can make have been shown to be wrong, and it still requires relativity wrong.... but relativity has always had positive experimental conclusions. EU is a shithole of a con, and the people who still adhere to it are idiots who refuse to accept reality for some unknown reason.
Relativity works. There has been no experiment where it has had a negative outcome. Until you can explain why we need to throw away a working, tested, verifiable theory (relativity) for a mixed up pile of shit that has no math, and who's predictions can't be experimentally verified (and in actuality, are experimentally disproven), then you're peddling bullshit... nothing more. You're not a scientist, you're a crackpot. I don't have to discredit EU because it has no credit except with a handful of idiots and conmen who want you to buy their t-shirts. Do yourself a favor, quit being a fucking idiot.
Electric Universe - it's actual central thesis is:
* Einstein's postulates are wrong.
* General relativity (GR) is wrong.
* The Universe is not expanding.
* The electric force travels faster than the speed of light with near-infinite velocity.
* Gravity has two poles like a bar magnet; dipole gravity.
* A plenum of neutrinos forms an all-pervasive aether.
* Planets give birth to comets.
* Stars do not shine because of internal nuclear fusion caused by gravitational collapse. Rather, they are anodes for galactic discharge currents.
* Impact craters on Venus, Mars and the Moon are not caused by impacts, but by electrical discharges. The same applies to the Valles Marineris (a massive canyon on Mars) and the Grand Canyon on Earth.
Relativity -
* Einstein saw a problem with the existing science (he wasn't alone in that)
* he formed his hypothesis (with actual math, apparently it's a thing in physics to use real math)
* a bunch of predictions are made using his hypothesis
* from 1919 to present day, every experiment done to verified those predictions has a positive outcome.
Electric Universe - wow, i mean just wow (talk about crackpot dipshtis on this list)
* was it Velikovsky thinking Earth was a moon of Saturn until just a couple thousand years ago until *BOOM* electricity!, or was it the new earth creationists who saw it as a way to explain the Grand Canyon without the long term effects of water erosion? Everyone had some problem (other than the mental one) that *BOOM electricity! could solve
* all sorts of ideas floated... but no math, none at all...cause pseudo-science cultists can't do math it appears. Besides, using basic math would show that basic physics also say's the whole EU thing is bullshit
* a few predictions are made, some predictions required already observed things to not actually have happened, and a whole bunch of experimentally verified physics (including Relativity) to be completely wrong.
* experimental predictions verified to date = 0 (even Alfven couldn't find the radio emissions he predicted)
Your problem is you got to the point where actual scientists would discard a hypothesis that is wrong, but decided you could con people out of a bunch of money by keeping at it.
Every time an actual astronomy thread pops up, some dipshits from the EU cult starts talking about things that a 9th grader would know is bullshit. I place people like you as nothing more than liars and conspiracy theorists. Your certainly not a scientist, and what you say is simply a lie...actually, it's more like a con job given how the leeches who run the EU crap support themselves selling t-shirts and convention tickets.
Bullshit. Stupid fucking bullshit. Your EU is nothing more than crap, which requires things we've observed, and experimental results from the past 99 years to be completely wrong. Either Relativity is right, or EU is right.. can't be both... and EVERY experiment done has shown Relativity is correct, and on the EU side, they've all shown EU doesn't explain anything experimentally.
Seriously.. what the fuck is wrong with you EU cultists?
Except EU is complete bullshit. It' not science, it's a pseudo-science cult for batshit stupid fanbois. I seriously cannot fathom why dipshits still think it's anything; it doesn't have any math behind it, and it requires Relativity to be completely wrong... yet every experiment and observation shows Relativity to be correct. What mental defect does someone have to have to continue to deny reality in the face of stupidity; what benefit does your ignorance give you?
It's the way international postage works. They pay for their cost where it originates, not where it ends up.... something like that. Go to a site like Ebay, for example, and search for some little low value item. You'll see all sorts of sales for less than a dollar, with free shipping.... all from China. With a minimum $2.66 just in postage, US companies simply can't compete; and that's not mentioning cost increases. 6 years ago, my first class package cost was $1.68 (i believe... maybe it was $1.63) for 3oz.
E-commerce is the future, but one that US is losing to almost everyone else.
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....and yet, it wasn't (in my opinion) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt04...
That's the point... electric universe doesn't try to address unresolved problems, it tries to tell us that problems we've solved over the past 100 years were solved wrong, even though there's technology built and used EVERY SINGLE DAY based on those solutions. The sin is some lying little conman trying to make money off the pseudo-science electric universe crap when it is WRONG. You're either too stupid to understand that, or you are the lying conman.
I get it, physics is hard... and stupid people who can't learn it wish it was easier. It ain't. Deal with it.
"At best, the 'electric universe' is a solution in search of a problem; it seeks to explain things we already understand very well through gravity, plasma and nuclear physics, and the like," said astronomer Phil Plait, who runs the blog Bad Astronomy at Slate. "At worst it's sheer crackpottery like homeopathy and astrology, making claims clearly contradicted by the evidence."
And here's part of the con....
One hundred seventy-five people donate $1,905 per month to the Thunderbolts Project Patreon campaign for video production.
"We know stars generate energy through nuclear fusion, not plasma discharge; we know craters are formed from asteroid and comet impacts, not huge electric arcs; we absolutely know that special and general relativity work, despite some EU proponents' claims," said Plait, who has tangled with EU commenters a time or two. "From what I've seen, most EU claims are on the cranky end of [the] scale. That's why most astronomers ignore it: No evidence for it, tons of evidence against it, and no support mathematically or physically."
http://dealingwithcreationismi...
Electric universe is a con. Are you a conman, or just a stupid rube?
Electric universe is bullshit, regardless of whether you post using your name or as an anon coward. The "bias" against EU is because it is pure shit, explains nothing, and requires us to throw away the last 100 years of progress. Only a fucking idiot would suggest that.
Tell yah what, my new theory is the universe came into being when my pet 6 foot tall invisible rabbit shit it out. Guess what... that has as much "science" behind it as the electric universe shit. Actually, as electric universe made some predictions that proved WRONG, and i haven't done that with my rabbit... my rabbit is better scientifically than the electric universe bullshit.
You're not doing science... you're doing religion trying to masquerade as science, and you're either incredibly stupid and have no understanding of the scientific method, or you're a fucking con artist trying to make a buck.
The predicted outcome: no one takes electric universe seriously because it is bullshit pseudo-science... yet we'll keep having out planes, ships, cars, and hikers navigate fine because RELATIVITY WORKS. The "crux" is, you're either lying, or have fallen for a lie. Your choice, and i don't really care, because you can't talk to someone who doesn't even acknowledge reality.... Relativity works, and electric universe hasn't done shit (and requires relativity to not work). You are nothing more than a religious zealot, too stupid to understand reality.
Every time relativity has been put to the test, it's been shown to be correct. As for Newton, most everyone knew there were problems with his gravitational theory in the 1890's... try to keep up. http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/use... Newton gravity doesn't even account for the time differences from the ground to a GPS satellite. Newton didn't have satellites to contend with, so he never saw that particular problem... so he never knew it was a problem to fix. But, that's what science does... as technology progresses, we have to revisit earlier ideas to account for new observations. Hence, yes, Relativity replaced Newton's gravity.
Gravitational lensing has been a mathematical thing longer than General Relativity has been published. http://www.einstein-online.inf... In 1979 the first one was found, just as had been predicted. We understand them fairly well (the mechanism). So, just like EVERY OTHER prediction Relativity makes that has undergone experimental testing, Relativity was shown to be correct.
Electric universe bullshit, on the other hand, has no math behind it, has no observational data, and can't even find what few things it predicted we'd find. It's complete and utter bullshit trying to legitimize itself as science via really stupid people continuing to bring it up every chance they get. Additionally, Relativity has to be wrong for the electric universe cult of stupidity to be right. Yet experiments keep showing Relativity is correct.
Electric universe wise, even Alfvén can't find his radio transmissions that are REQUIRED. EU is complete and utter bullshit. It's not a new idea, it's an older idea that was disproven a couple decades ago.... it's just really stupid people keep bringing it up. It's not science, it's a quasi-religious pseudoscience cult of stupidity driven by their need to con people out of money for their t-shirts.
If you put forth a scientific hypothesis, and the only predictions it makes are shown to be wrong, your hypothesis is wrong. In the case of electric universe, that doesn't dissuade the fucking idiots from trying to make a buck off it conning people... or posting anon to try to defend complete rubbish. EU is the very definition of your cargo cult science, while people suggesting relativity, which has been verified EVERY SINGLE TIME it's been tested for 99 years now is... those people are complete fucking idiots.
Electric Universe crap is bullshit. It explains nothing, and requires Einstein to be wrong.... he wasn't, and the electric universe cult of morons can't even come up with math to show their own bullshit might be right, let alone any observational data that does. Give up your religious Eu bullshit and quit being stupid.
Yeh, that's not enough lens flare to be one of his.
Interestingly.... https://www.nasa.gov/content/g...
Maybe not perfect all the time.
And from a human point of vantage on planet dirt, it's anywhere... at least until your eyes burn out. Advisor tip #47a: stick with looking at the moon.
There's lot of lensed galaxies, but few that show on both sides of the object as a ring; most are a single image lense. Abel 1689 is a great view of a lot of single sided ones (just because i absolutely love this pic) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
His only familiarity with finance is how to con people out of their money. His only skill is to con idiots into believing he's smart, well, and filing bankruptcy papers... he's damn good at that.
The problem with the USPS... republican congress shitheads who don't know a fucking thing about business.
Trumps a whiny little narcissistic piece of shit with the emotional stability of a two year old with crap filled diapers... a perfect representative for the anti-American fascist GOP.
No, the accounting wasn't wrong. Because you don't like the way they did it, like virtually EVERY OTHER BUSINESS doesn't mean it was wrong... kit means you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Learn about what you're discussing before spewing bullshit. You clearly don't know shit about accounting.
And when Fedex and UPS are asked if they want to reach EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT IN THE COUNTRY EVERY SINGLE DAY..... their answer is no. Fedex and UPS don't want to compete with USPS, a small fact republicans can't seem to understand.
USPS is part of the government. The points you make are entirely moot, as the federal government pays none of those. The articles you've read are bullshit for stupid people, most likely written by people who hate the fact we actually have a federal government. Your post isn't informative, it's just fucking stupid.
USPS actually posts a profit UNTIL you take in to account the forced 100% funding of retirement benefits for workers they'll have in the future who are not even born yet. Why? Stupid fucking idiot republicans in the 2006 congress who didn't know shit about business. When you put stupid in office, you get stupid shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The reason "science" is losing it's credibility is really stupid people, who don't understand "science," and who prefer to be intentionally stupid and not learn, keep making posts like yours. Or rather, it's why "science" is losing credibility with really stupid people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Complete bullshit... that's all you have. You're not doing science, you're not learning science... EU is a quasi-religious cult trying to gain some acceptance as science, and is nothing more than trash for imbeciles. You want it to be 1918, before the first (of many) experiments corroborated Einsteins predictions.... it's not. You put forth trash, and wonder why people with a decent education call you on your bullshit. You really shouldn't, because what you're really doing is trying to sell Piltdown Man; air, earth, fire, and water are not the four elements that make up everything.... and the electric universe bullshit is on the same level as both those.
I get it, you come to forums like this because you're stupid fucking arguments get shredded when you talk to anyone who actually has a high school level education in physics. Get used to it, because you're not doing anything useful by intentionally being a fucking idiot.
GPS works. Old television sets worked. Particle accelerators work. Radar guns work. Supercomputers work. Telecommunication satellite work. THAT is Relativity. Your worthless shit electric universe does nothing, period; it predicts nothing, it explains nothing.... and along the way we'd have to abandon the past 50+ years of technology that actually DOES work. That is fucking stupid.
You are a cultist. You're either one of the conmen, or one of the sheep, but intentionally being stupid isn't the way to go. EU isn't science, and defending Relativity is pretty fucking easy with 99 years of positive experimental confirmations, as well as a pretty fucking significant array of technology that requires it.... technology that actually works. EU isn't innovation... it's a backwards step into the steaming pile of shit of intentional ignorance.
You're right... EU has no central thesis because it's a mashed up bunch of shit. The few predictions it can make have been shown to be wrong, and it still requires relativity wrong.... but relativity has always had positive experimental conclusions. EU is a shithole of a con, and the people who still adhere to it are idiots who refuse to accept reality for some unknown reason.
Relativity works. There has been no experiment where it has had a negative outcome. Until you can explain why we need to throw away a working, tested, verifiable theory (relativity) for a mixed up pile of shit that has no math, and who's predictions can't be experimentally verified (and in actuality, are experimentally disproven), then you're peddling bullshit... nothing more. You're not a scientist, you're a crackpot. I don't have to discredit EU because it has no credit except with a handful of idiots and conmen who want you to buy their t-shirts. Do yourself a favor, quit being a fucking idiot.
Electric Universe - it's actual central thesis is:
* Einstein's postulates are wrong.
* General relativity (GR) is wrong.
* The Universe is not expanding.
* The electric force travels faster than the speed of light with near-infinite velocity.
* Gravity has two poles like a bar magnet; dipole gravity.
* A plenum of neutrinos forms an all-pervasive aether.
* Planets give birth to comets.
* Stars do not shine because of internal nuclear fusion caused by gravitational collapse. Rather, they are anodes for galactic discharge currents.
* Impact craters on Venus, Mars and the Moon are not caused by impacts, but by electrical discharges. The same applies to the Valles Marineris (a massive canyon on Mars) and the Grand Canyon on Earth.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/...
for a longer read: https://briankoberlein.com/201...
EU is pseudo-science with a cult following. Why? It doesn't take any actual work to be a brain-dead follower (that's my guess).
It's real plain and simple:
Relativity -
* Einstein saw a problem with the existing science (he wasn't alone in that)
* he formed his hypothesis (with actual math, apparently it's a thing in physics to use real math)
* a bunch of predictions are made using his hypothesis
* from 1919 to present day, every experiment done to verified those predictions has a positive outcome.
Electric Universe - wow, i mean just wow (talk about crackpot dipshtis on this list)
* was it Velikovsky thinking Earth was a moon of Saturn until just a couple thousand years ago until *BOOM* electricity!, or was it the new earth creationists who saw it as a way to explain the Grand Canyon without the long term effects of water erosion? Everyone had some problem (other than the mental one) that *BOOM electricity! could solve
* all sorts of ideas floated... but no math, none at all...cause pseudo-science cultists can't do math it appears. Besides, using basic math would show that basic physics also say's the whole EU thing is bullshit
* a few predictions are made, some predictions required already observed things to not actually have happened, and a whole bunch of experimentally verified physics (including Relativity) to be completely wrong.
* experimental predictions verified to date = 0 (even Alfven couldn't find the radio emissions he predicted)
Your problem is you got to the point where actual scientists would discard a hypothesis that is wrong, but decided you could con people out of a bunch of money by keeping at it.
Every time an actual astronomy thread pops up, some dipshits from the EU cult starts talking about things that a 9th grader would know is bullshit. I place people like you as nothing more than liars and conspiracy theorists. Your certainly not a scientist, and what you say is simply a lie...actually, it's more like a con job given how the leeches who run the EU crap support themselves selling t-shirts and convention tickets.
Bullshit. Stupid fucking bullshit. Your EU is nothing more than crap, which requires things we've observed, and experimental results from the past 99 years to be completely wrong. Either Relativity is right, or EU is right.. can't be both... and EVERY experiment done has shown Relativity is correct, and on the EU side, they've all shown EU doesn't explain anything experimentally.
Seriously.. what the fuck is wrong with you EU cultists?
....our Sun is not the brightest.
Neither are any of the mentally challenged that kneel before the genitalia of the cult of EU.
Except EU is complete bullshit. It' not science, it's a pseudo-science cult for batshit stupid fanbois. I seriously cannot fathom why dipshits still think it's anything; it doesn't have any math behind it, and it requires Relativity to be completely wrong... yet every experiment and observation shows Relativity to be correct. What mental defect does someone have to have to continue to deny reality in the face of stupidity; what benefit does your ignorance give you?
It's the way international postage works. They pay for their cost where it originates, not where it ends up.... something like that. Go to a site like Ebay, for example, and search for some little low value item. You'll see all sorts of sales for less than a dollar, with free shipping.... all from China. With a minimum $2.66 just in postage, US companies simply can't compete; and that's not mentioning cost increases. 6 years ago, my first class package cost was $1.68 (i believe... maybe it was $1.63) for 3oz.
E-commerce is the future, but one that US is losing to almost everyone else.