I have to laugh about this. The parent in this thread received a +0 for troll, and the response just after it that started off by saying that they agreed with it was marked as a +3 inciteful.
Get it together mods, you guys usually do a horrible job, but now you're just out doing yourselves.
I'll refrain from saying anything more obvious than that.
BTW, the Belgium newspapers, when asked about why they didn't just use robots.txt, stated that it should not be on their shoulders to have to keep others from misuing their copyrighted work.
What this translates to is that not only are they too lazy to spend 5 minutes updating their site so that Google doesn't index it, but then they fail to understand the benefit that they obtain from Search engines. Which in reality is probably quite great.
Think about it, search engines make the internet go round. Well, not really.. we could in many ways survive without search engines, but it would be inefficient and problematic.
Content owners that try to make somebody pay to search for their content are going to find that the desire to find that content "miraculously" dries up.
Things might eventually change a bit in how pay sites are indexed so their content isn't made free to all, but as you'll find with the companies that got one leg up on Google this time, they will be the ones that end up suffering in the long run.
Search Engines are your friends... they drive content to your site. The game is how to get the traffic to your site and make money on it once it gets there. Not trying to charge people to help bring you money.
On the part of companies to inform their customers when there is a security breach and that might compromise their information. That is something that, despite efforts by many security professionals, most companies still fall quite short in.
Unfortunately, we as the customers are often the ones that suffer from company's attempts to always escape from this sort of thing unscathed.
Definitely interesting stuff... pretty soon the reality of taking your computer around with you and plugging it in to a console for access to it (whether at work, etc) will be pretty common place. So it is "neat" to be able to what kind of progress is being made and what is being mass produced these days.
My question is, is anybody here familiar with general costs for the parts that they utilized for their units? I was just wondering what an estimate would be simply for the parts involved. Of course there is alot more cost to look at, from their employees to having custom boards fabricated... but it seems quite pricey for what is involved.
I could really care less about making calls on a plane. In fact, I WOULD HATE IT. You know why? Because every annoying person in the world would converge on my airplane and make calls through-out the flight. This would result in me not being able to sleep or relax, and I would then arrive at my destination tired and strained.
Slippery slope? Not really, think about all the boring calls you have to listen to on a shorter transit system. Now put 300 bored people on a plane and see how they go about trying to relieve that boredome.
Now. I would certainly be happy to have internet access on the plane... and the slight tapping of keys I could deal with. Plus, give me something to do on my computer and I'd easily forget what else was going on.
So what do I say? Spare me having to listen to cell phones or VOIP for the whole plane trip. If you can limit it to 10 minutes of calling per passenger, then fine. Otherwise, stop trying to make my co-passengers even more annoying.
One of these days when they get a great calendar program built into Thunderbird I'll consider migrating from Outlook. As is though, without an excellent calendar I won't really consider it as I need that functionality. And before anybody tries to point this out, no, I don't find any of the current add-ons to be adequate.
If someone can afford to purchase a 1080p television, surely they can afford to spend a few bucks to purchase a XBox 360. I'm sure some people have moved past that, but for many console gaming is still a great way to spend a little time now and then.
So the question I have in response is:
Why wouldn't I have my XBox hooked up to my plasma or LCD?
By the way, CNET just did a little video telling people about Ubuntu Linux and how to download and run it from a disk so that they can give it a no-risk try.
No, it won't happen. Why? Because these people are even slower to convert to a new type of OS than those that had headed into Win2000 and XP before them. Switching to Linux would be an ever larger step.
My parents just upgraded from MS Millenium (worst OS release ever). That really wasn't any better than 98. In my experience, the average user has a better chance of converting to Apple's offering than switching to Linux.
Thats not knocking Linux, but just pointing out the reality of people that would be willing to keep 98 until now.
I mean, really.. that is a completely inaccurate description of Net Neutrality. Not only is it deceiving in its results, but it also misrepresents net neutrality to those that potentially have never heard of it before. What bothers me is that if this is the first instance of some of these people learning about net neutrality, then the poll not only came to the wrong conclusions but also might negatively affect these people's future feelings on the manner.
It seems to me that it is extremely unethical for a committee to try and shape public opinion through the misuse of untrue information on their survey.
Ahh, well that is always the problem, and it could happen to any browser.
Many exploits (though not all) are revealed before they are in the wild. Not all of course, but one has to accept a certain amount of risk. One should definitely take as many security precautions as possible.. but there will always be some risk.
This is the reason why I have two browsers... I use IE7 and Firefox, and if an exploit pops up, I can switch to the other until it is plugged. I generally prefer to use IE7 and keep the Firefox for back-up.
Of course, there are also tons of other browsers out there.. but I recommend to everyone to have two so that they can move to the other when an exploit is found in one of them.
Ouch, thats unfortunate. You'd think somebody would review some of the past problems before signing up a country to create the same piece for an International endeavor.
Does anybody know what kinds of problems they encountered with the Mir? I know that it is not exactly applicable to this situation, just was curious.
I t0o second that the ISS has a remarkable track record considering just what it is. A man made object that has to house several people 24/7/365 in space.
It does seem like the Elektron system has had some problems though. I wonder if after all this any member nations will chip in for a new model.
I think not for Google. It is funny.. that the newspapers don't keep their content, but are offended when somebody else picks up the ball for them.
In reality, there is value to keeping articles around, and I really wish that newspapers would take the initiative and do a better job with that.
Regardless, this is unfortunate. Perhaps the companies should just keep the articles around... and then they could make all this "money that google is making from the articles" for themselves.
One one hand, I sympathize for HP. To have a board member that fails to respect the privacy of board room material can be very hard, and the fact that he leaked that previous information was very uprofessional.
Of course, on the other hand, the way this was handled by HP was totally out of hand. Young adults walking out of business school know that to hit somebody up with a wiretap is illegal and should not be done. How is it that the chairman and the head of their Ethics group don't? So those two should definitely go away. As to anybody else remaining, it is quite hard to see what other roles were played in this. I don't think that people should take this as an indicator of what the whole company is like though.
I think that the reaction to this is in part wrong. Lets note that the it was select individuals who were doing this... and not all of HP. Certainly, in this case the problems came from the top, but in that it has also been handled and said parties are stepping down.
In something like this, I don't think you should blame the whole company and try to take it out on HP as a whole. The perpetrators in this instance are quite identifiable, and it is they who should be taken to task.
What should we expect of HP? More oversight in how they handle their internal leak hunts, etc. Also, to do some work cleaning up their image after this and distancing themselves from those involved. Well, and other things. My point is, why would it make sense to try and punish the company as a whole for this?
And no, I don't work for HP. It just doesn't make sense to me to blame this on the whole company, as there are tons of great people that work there.
In fact, gas prices over here have decreased dramatically in the last couple of weeks. Right now, I can go to GasBuddy and find gas that is $2.25 a gallon, which is down from a high of $2.80 or so.
Regardless, gas prices are higher over here. It is hard for people in much of Europe to understand just how that affects us, because from my experience (especially in Scandenavia) we just drive way more than you do. It isn't out of the question for many people to commute an hour each way to work, or to drive an visit family 4 - 5 hours away quite often.
So yes, gas is cheaper here. It is certainly a luxury. However, also understand that we don't have the public transportation system that you do, and that the US is large. Along with that, the US isn't set up to work well with public transportaton systems. So, luxury or no, it is very much a crucial item in our lives.
That said, I'd gladly take a good public transportation system and bike paths to get around over simply paying lower gas prices.
Anyways, on to a few calculations. Lets say I blow 20 gallons a week in my Jeep Liberty, and can go oh, about 27 miles on that. Just kidding, the gas mileage isn't that bad, we're probably looking at 350 miles as I'd estimate in city it gets around 17.5mpg. So if we go with the cheapest place on GasBuddy.com, then we end up paying $45 for that vehicle for one week of service. If we didn't shop for cheaper prices, we would easily pay $2.60 a gallon, a jump of $.35 a gallon, which is reflected in a weekly expense increase of $7. (Or $52 a week). That doesn't seem like much, but then lets crunch some numbers. In a month we'd pay close to $180 for that vehicle for the cheaper gas prices, but it would be $28 less than going to the expensive station. In a year, we'd pay $2,160 in gas for that vehicle... and we'd save $336. Now, we have two vehicles... lets just be sloppy and say that we'll spend twice that amount. So the estimated savings of going a little out of the way to refill gas is close to $700 a year. That is a good bit of money, but I certainly wouldn't drive across town and go 20 minutes out of my way to get that.
I think that is the main thing that people need to realize. Cheaper gas prices are important, but even more so than that is the cost of time spent on it. I had a grandfather that would drive us across town to get gas for a few pennies cheaper a pop. Now, he was a great guy and certainly frugal, but I think that the dollar he ended up saving wasn't worth the extra 20 minutes of driving to the station and back.
Back to the point at hand, the construction of cities and towns in Europe is very different than in the US. On top of that, we drive a whole lot more on average. Thats not something I'm proud of, but simply a fact. So please understand that while we pay alot less per gallon, in the long run I'd bet we spend more in gas than you do.
Are you saying that a few workers from Fox (that were probably fired or whose bosses made their life hell so they'd quit) made a documentary about the company they used to work for?
A big -5 flamebait for the rediculous article about a rediculous topic that a majority of the people in the US have moved past a rediculously long time ago.
Now theres redundant for you. Stop rehashing uninteresting garbage, and if you really want to go all out I hear there is a new "docu-drama" on a 9/11 conspiracy floating around.
You have to admit, at first glance it is a bit worrisome to use a product that is totally open for all the worlds eyes and ears to see. Combine that with the fact that most of the guys in charge aren't particularily computer savvy, and it isn't hard to see why open source would held back.
MS has worked quite well for most things that the military has needed in the past. At least it was when I was in. I can see how "open" might be construed negatively.
I think it is pretty much in the cards that this will be in our future. As to the backlash, people are pretty quick to adapt to new things, even things such as being scolded by a CCTV camera. We'll see though.
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I have to laugh about this. The parent in this thread received a +0 for troll, and the response just after it that started off by saying that they agreed with it was marked as a +3 inciteful.
Get it together mods, you guys usually do a horrible job, but now you're just out doing yourselves.
I'll refrain from saying anything more obvious than that.
BTW, the Belgium newspapers, when asked about why they didn't just use robots.txt, stated that it should not be on their shoulders to have to keep others from misuing their copyrighted work.
What this translates to is that not only are they too lazy to spend 5 minutes updating their site so that Google doesn't index it, but then they fail to understand the benefit that they obtain from Search engines. Which in reality is probably quite great.
Think about it, search engines make the internet go round. Well, not really.. we could in many ways survive without search engines, but it would be inefficient and problematic.
Content owners that try to make somebody pay to search for their content are going to find that the desire to find that content "miraculously" dries up.
Things might eventually change a bit in how pay sites are indexed so their content isn't made free to all, but as you'll find with the companies that got one leg up on Google this time, they will be the ones that end up suffering in the long run.
Search Engines are your friends... they drive content to your site. The game is how to get the traffic to your site and make money on it once it gets there. Not trying to charge people to help bring you money.
On the part of companies to inform their customers when there is a security breach and that might compromise their information. That is something that, despite efforts by many security professionals, most companies still fall quite short in.
Unfortunately, we as the customers are often the ones that suffer from company's attempts to always escape from this sort of thing unscathed.
Definitely interesting stuff... pretty soon the reality of taking your computer around with you and plugging it in to a console for access to it (whether at work, etc) will be pretty common place. So it is "neat" to be able to what kind of progress is being made and what is being mass produced these days.
Netstix goodies.
My question is, is anybody here familiar with general costs for the parts that they utilized for their units? I was just wondering what an estimate would be simply for the parts involved. Of course there is alot more cost to look at, from their employees to having custom boards fabricated... but it seems quite pricey for what is involved.
I could really care less about making calls on a plane. In fact, I WOULD HATE IT. You know why? Because every annoying person in the world would converge on my airplane and make calls through-out the flight. This would result in me not being able to sleep or relax, and I would then arrive at my destination tired and strained.
Slippery slope? Not really, think about all the boring calls you have to listen to on a shorter transit system. Now put 300 bored people on a plane and see how they go about trying to relieve that boredome.
Now. I would certainly be happy to have internet access on the plane... and the slight tapping of keys I could deal with. Plus, give me something to do on my computer and I'd easily forget what else was going on.
So what do I say? Spare me having to listen to cell phones or VOIP for the whole plane trip. If you can limit it to 10 minutes of calling per passenger, then fine. Otherwise, stop trying to make my co-passengers even more annoying.
One of these days when they get a great calendar program built into Thunderbird I'll consider migrating from Outlook. As is though, without an excellent calendar I won't really consider it as I need that functionality. And before anybody tries to point this out, no, I don't find any of the current add-ons to be adequate.
If someone can afford to purchase a 1080p television, surely they can afford to spend a few bucks to purchase a XBox 360. I'm sure some people have moved past that, but for many console gaming is still a great way to spend a little time now and then.
So the question I have in response is:
Why wouldn't I have my XBox hooked up to my plasma or LCD?
By the way, CNET just did a little video telling people about Ubuntu Linux and how to download and run it from a disk so that they can give it a no-risk try.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/4660-10165_7-6639061.html
No, it won't happen. Why? Because these people are even slower to convert to a new type of OS than those that had headed into Win2000 and XP before them. Switching to Linux would be an ever larger step.
My parents just upgraded from MS Millenium (worst OS release ever). That really wasn't any better than 98. In my experience, the average user has a better chance of converting to Apple's offering than switching to Linux.
Thats not knocking Linux, but just pointing out the reality of people that would be willing to keep 98 until now.
I mean, really.. that is a completely inaccurate description of Net Neutrality. Not only is it deceiving in its results, but it also misrepresents net neutrality to those that potentially have never heard of it before. What bothers me is that if this is the first instance of some of these people learning about net neutrality, then the poll not only came to the wrong conclusions but also might negatively affect these people's future feelings on the manner.
It seems to me that it is extremely unethical for a committee to try and shape public opinion through the misuse of untrue information on their survey.
Ahh, well that is always the problem, and it could happen to any browser.
Many exploits (though not all) are revealed before they are in the wild. Not all of course, but one has to accept a certain amount of risk. One should definitely take as many security precautions as possible.. but there will always be some risk.
This is the reason why I have two browsers... I use IE7 and Firefox, and if an exploit pops up, I can switch to the other until it is plugged. I generally prefer to use IE7 and keep the Firefox for back-up.
Of course, there are also tons of other browsers out there.. but I recommend to everyone to have two so that they can move to the other when an exploit is found in one of them.
Ouch, thats unfortunate. You'd think somebody would review some of the past problems before signing up a country to create the same piece for an International endeavor.
Does anybody know what kinds of problems they encountered with the Mir? I know that it is not exactly applicable to this situation, just was curious.
I t0o second that the ISS has a remarkable track record considering just what it is. A man made object that has to house several people 24/7/365 in space.
It does seem like the Elektron system has had some problems though. I wonder if after all this any member nations will chip in for a new model.
I think not for Google. It is funny.. that the newspapers don't keep their content, but are offended when somebody else picks up the ball for them.
In reality, there is value to keeping articles around, and I really wish that newspapers would take the initiative and do a better job with that.
Regardless, this is unfortunate. Perhaps the companies should just keep the articles around... and then they could make all this "money that google is making from the articles" for themselves.
One one hand, I sympathize for HP. To have a board member that fails to respect the privacy of board room material can be very hard, and the fact that he leaked that previous information was very uprofessional.
Of course, on the other hand, the way this was handled by HP was totally out of hand. Young adults walking out of business school know that to hit somebody up with a wiretap is illegal and should not be done. How is it that the chairman and the head of their Ethics group don't? So those two should definitely go away. As to anybody else remaining, it is quite hard to see what other roles were played in this. I don't think that people should take this as an indicator of what the whole company is like though.
I think that the reaction to this is in part wrong. Lets note that the it was select individuals who were doing this... and not all of HP. Certainly, in this case the problems came from the top, but in that it has also been handled and said parties are stepping down.
In something like this, I don't think you should blame the whole company and try to take it out on HP as a whole. The perpetrators in this instance are quite identifiable, and it is they who should be taken to task.
What should we expect of HP? More oversight in how they handle their internal leak hunts, etc. Also, to do some work cleaning up their image after this and distancing themselves from those involved. Well, and other things. My point is, why would it make sense to try and punish the company as a whole for this?
And no, I don't work for HP. It just doesn't make sense to me to blame this on the whole company, as there are tons of great people that work there.
In fact, gas prices over here have decreased dramatically in the last couple of weeks. Right now, I can go to GasBuddy and find gas that is $2.25 a gallon, which is down from a high of $2.80 or so.
Regardless, gas prices are higher over here. It is hard for people in much of Europe to understand just how that affects us, because from my experience (especially in Scandenavia) we just drive way more than you do. It isn't out of the question for many people to commute an hour each way to work, or to drive an visit family 4 - 5 hours away quite often.
So yes, gas is cheaper here. It is certainly a luxury. However, also understand that we don't have the public transportation system that you do, and that the US is large. Along with that, the US isn't set up to work well with public transportaton systems. So, luxury or no, it is very much a crucial item in our lives.
That said, I'd gladly take a good public transportation system and bike paths to get around over simply paying lower gas prices.
Anyways, on to a few calculations. Lets say I blow 20 gallons a week in my Jeep Liberty, and can go oh, about 27 miles on that. Just kidding, the gas mileage isn't that bad, we're probably looking at 350 miles as I'd estimate in city it gets around 17.5mpg. So if we go with the cheapest place on GasBuddy.com, then we end up paying $45 for that vehicle for one week of service. If we didn't shop for cheaper prices, we would easily pay $2.60 a gallon, a jump of $.35 a gallon, which is reflected in a weekly expense increase of $7. (Or $52 a week). That doesn't seem like much, but then lets crunch some numbers. In a month we'd pay close to $180 for that vehicle for the cheaper gas prices, but it would be $28 less than going to the expensive station. In a year, we'd pay $2,160 in gas for that vehicle... and we'd save $336. Now, we have two vehicles... lets just be sloppy and say that we'll spend twice that amount. So the estimated savings of going a little out of the way to refill gas is close to $700 a year. That is a good bit of money, but I certainly wouldn't drive across town and go 20 minutes out of my way to get that.
I think that is the main thing that people need to realize. Cheaper gas prices are important, but even more so than that is the cost of time spent on it. I had a grandfather that would drive us across town to get gas for a few pennies cheaper a pop. Now, he was a great guy and certainly frugal, but I think that the dollar he ended up saving wasn't worth the extra 20 minutes of driving to the station and back.
Back to the point at hand, the construction of cities and towns in Europe is very different than in the US. On top of that, we drive a whole lot more on average. Thats not something I'm proud of, but simply a fact. So please understand that while we pay alot less per gallon, in the long run I'd bet we spend more in gas than you do.
Are you saying that a few workers from Fox (that were probably fired or whose bosses made their life hell so they'd quit) made a documentary about the company they used to work for?
Now thats gotta be factual.
A big -5 flamebait for the rediculous article about a rediculous topic that a majority of the people in the US have moved past a rediculously long time ago.
Now theres redundant for you. Stop rehashing uninteresting garbage, and if you really want to go all out I hear there is a new "docu-drama" on a 9/11 conspiracy floating around.
You have to admit, at first glance it is a bit worrisome to use a product that is totally open for all the worlds eyes and ears to see. Combine that with the fact that most of the guys in charge aren't particularily computer savvy, and it isn't hard to see why open source would held back.
MS has worked quite well for most things that the military has needed in the past. At least it was when I was in. I can see how "open" might be construed negatively.
I think it is pretty much in the cards that this will be in our future. As to the backlash, people are pretty quick to adapt to new things, even things such as being scolded by a CCTV camera. We'll see though.
I love it when the first post is marked as redundant.
Brilliant!
How would they actually go about pairing a password to a login then?