I think that, besides the _fact_ that both the LUG and the company want to register "Linux", the whole thing is like 'specially made' for slashdot.
After the "real news" (LinuxTECH trying to register 'linux') the LUG posts this open letter with some _really stupid_ arguments about how this company is evil (like "using the name of the well-known Swiss company Linuxtech" or "They freely used the word "Linux" in their company's name, "LinuxTECH". This of course allows them to enjoy the prestige that Linux holds in the business world"). That was not necessary.
Then, the company replyes with another letter that starts "Please note that our native language is spanish" because of all the english readers.
It's funny how both letters are formatted _exactly_ the same.
I thnk all the trademark thing is an important matter, and we have to deal with it, but this particular case was handled wrong by both sides.. I think they are seeking for more than "a fair use of the Linux trademark".
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just in case for poor Adrian's sake guys lust after *him*
So, (no offense, just wondering) you think that every guy lusts after you while reading your posts?:)
Actually, it'd be cool to work with "Angela Bennet" (from the movie "the net", I don't remember the name of the actress; she's hot). But I remember the BBS times, there were practically no girls on BBSs. There were also very few Sysops, and they were all fat (I'm talking about Buenos Aires). Internet is different, you find more girs on chat rooms, and there are webmasters, but not a lot of 'coders'. I hate to think of it, but it was harder to log to a BBS (configure the modem, ATDT, etc) than it is to log on a chat room. I think the fact that we are talking about "too many girls" shows that we need more (even if they don't want to/are not encouraged to work on the area), because is boring and ugly to work with a bounch of guys.
BTW, I'm not assuming anything personal about Corrine (since I'm replying directly to your post..:)
When I started to lear perl (I was writing CGI scripts in miva, wich is easier and _very_ less powerfull), a friend of mine said "ok, I have the camel book". So I thougth, "good, I'll read that book". When I saw the book, it was the longest book I'd ever seen.. It was like the bible.. I'm not reading thet huge book for a languaje that's supposed to be "Easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible". I learn some stuff from the man pages (perlfunc) and from looking at other scripts, but I still haven't find a decent tutorial on the net (unlike other languajes, like php, C, etc..). I'm still clieless when I find a line like:
I don't mean to scare anyone, but this are my experiences compiling kernels:
1) It took like 5 hours to compile 2.2.12 on a 486dx2 with 8MB of ram. It didn't work because I forgot to change some stupid option about the type of microprosessor (it was compiled for pentium). I used menuconfig, so I didn't go through _everything_.
2) For 2.2.13 it took 15 minutes (on a p233mmx with 40 mb), I went through every little option (in fact, I used config instead of menuconfig). When I reboot, the network doesn't work (I'm using the machine for masquerade).
So, I'm stuck with 2.0. that comes with debian.. Maybe I'm used to 'intelligent' and 'wizard' installations.. But I'll keep trying..
I thnk the actual point is that you don't need to prove this. It would be difficult (pointless, boring) to be inside for a year. And for reasons that have nothing to do with e-commerce.
For example:
Sex. It's 1 year, the guy has to get some. And it will be difficult with all those cameras..:) Can you order prostitutes on line? Or have a "sex-inside-only" relationship?
Money. Sure, the guy has credit cards, but you have to go to an ATM to get some cash to do some small things, link: tip the pizza guy, pay for the prostitutes.. What if a pipe brokes? Can you pay the plumber with a credit card? You need a job.. Sure it's easy if "Peapod.com" gives you free groceries, but that's not real life..
What if you want to watch some cool movie that's not released on VHS or DVD yet? etc, etc.
I personally hate to go out and do boring stuff like go to the bank to sign something, or stuff like that. I also hate picnics.. But e-commerce is just to make it easyer to buy stuff (some stuff), not to make it possible to live locked inside.. Isn't there a mental disease that makes people do that?
But if you use the Common Era Calendar, in which years are numbered -2, -1, 0, 1, 2,...,
So, they just added year 0 to the calendary? What did they do with all the years BC? 'moved one space'? When was this? Anyway, this is what I think of the way years are counted.
Related to the above - the "man" command needs to support multiple languages, and the "man" documents need to be translated.
I think man pages should have more examples. I never find anything on man pages, not because they are long and unconfortable (I used to read man pages from telnet, now I find them on the net, on HTML), but because I don't know what they are talking about. For ex., I was trying to do IP masquerade. The man page for ipfwadm is very long, and explains every option available, but it's not clear at all.
Also, I didn't find a decent Perl manual yet..
A "Lazy-Ass Linux" distro would be cool to install the first time, and actually get to use linux. And then you can play with the kernel, and configuration stuff..
Sometimes, sometimes not. A day has 24 hs., and it starts at 00:00:00, and ends at 23:59:59, but..
The first day of the month is not day 0. The month has 30 days, but you don't end the month after day 29 with 59 hours and 59 minutes, and then you start with day 0. The day 30 has to end.
Same thing with months. The year has 12 months, but you have to end month 12 to celebrate new year.
Same thing with the milenium. It has 1000 years, but you have to get to the end of year 1000 to finish it.
Anyway, I don't care. Belive what you want.. I don't belive in God either, but I don't go around trying to persuade catholics..
There is also this guy who came up with the concept of the i-time, a time zone to be used for internet. It's actually the time zone that first reaches 1/1/2000 (and also first reached 1/1/510..). They say some companyes have adopted this time.. So, we have Y2K for local time, for GMT, and for i-time..
I've been playing Age Of Empires 2 lately, and I noticed that the base of the economy was not "weapons", but wood. Sure, with more weapons you win the game, but the way to buy weapons was:
1) get wood 2) build farms 3) sell food on the market 4) buy weapons (and other resources) with the gold
It's not apocalipse, but it was a pretty rough era..
By the way, what about porn?? Sure, the net is full with porn, we have porn on the tip of our fingers, but what if the net colapses? How many GBs of porn is enough. I say a diesel generator plugged to a machine with a 13GB HD, with the date set to 1/1/1970. That'll get me 30 years..
I suppose that perhaps the childern are raised differnetly
Just because they are from some other country doesn't mean they are "raised to stone people".. My guess is that the "children" where 14 or 15 years old. Imagine a bounch of teenagers asking santa for candy..
Is there a link to the story on that newpaper? (I can read spanish..)
What's wrong with wanting money? Sure, it's a nice thing to do on xmas, and a lot of people get their e-mail back (spam, porn, anoying "happy new milenium" mails, etc), but it's also a way to get:
Free publicity for your company, and whatever else you want (the guy is saying "I'm a linux programmer")
Maybe some money.. Maybe if Microsoft gives the guy some money, there's nothing wrong with it..
I'm not assuming that Michael payed the domain because he wanted money from microsoft. I just think there's nothing wrong with that.. After all, who forgot to pay?
I think there is another important thing: most new users don't know the difference between linux and bsd.
When I first wanted to install linux, I went to some unix irc channel, and then to a linux irc channel, and I asked "where can I download a small linux to install on a 100MB hd, or run from a floppy disk?" (I didn't want to go and buy the CDs). And someone said: "you can go to freebsd.org and install freebsd through FTP".
So, at first I though that FreeBSD was another linux distribution, like "red hat". At that time, all I knew was "linux is a free version of unix; unix is a OS that doesn't crash ever 5 minutes". Then I found out that there is actually a guy named "Linus", and that he wrote the kernel, and that there is a GNU part, etc.
So, I think that a lot of people that are new to this think that bsd and linux are the same thing, and not the opposite, because they hear about "linux" and then run into bsd (because linux has more attention from the media and all).
After reading all the info, I think I wouldn't invest on this because the idea of a paper computer sounds _so_ stupid. What if I go to vote with a pair of scissors?
Now, if I could buy one of this, I'd be different. Actually, if there was a "release" version of this, that people could buy ($5, mailed on a envelope..), maybe he could make a better impression of the product.. "Paper computers" sounds ridiculous, but I think it'd be really cool to try one..
I can pay $5.. (sure, the guy would need to produce a lot of these..)
I thnks there's more. I think that a thing is alive when it can relize that it is alive. I mean, there is a point where an individual can say "I'm alive, and I'll be dead some time", and maybe the question is where is that point. For ex., an ant can move, and get food, and all that, and it also runs away from danger, but that is just an ant responding to danger, just like a deamon from DOOM.
I read on some book ("Gardens from Eden", or something. by Carl Sagan; it was in spanish, so I don't know the correct title) that maybe when we are dreaming we have the same level of "consience" that a dog when he's awake. When I'm on a dream I don't think I can say "I'm alive", but I fell fear, and some stuff feels like "alive". So maybe the ant is not just a "machine", it has some level of "self awareness" (which is scary, it would mean that every time you boot a computer, or "kill" a process, you are actually killing something..)
There are some theories about dolphing killing themselves, because they realize they are alive..
So, maybe the internet can have a big mind and say "I'm alive" at some point. Maybe when it get faster connections..:) (actually, the "faster" would be a perception of my mind, so it's not that important..)
I think here (I live in Buenos Aires), open source has some unusual problems:
There's no such thing as "propietary software". Nobody pays for their windows, or MS Office. Maybe big companies do, but all small and medium business, and especially home users don't. When you buy a computer, you get it with a pirated windows installed.
There is no good internet. Local phone rates are _very_ high, and the international comunications are monopolized by some company (Telintar), because of some 'transition' law (the gobernment managed comunications until 7 years ago). I installed Debian on a box yesteday using dselect, only because I can pay $125/month for a cablemodem. And connections to outside Argentina are very slow and crowded during the day (even with cablemodem).. It's very difficulr to find a place to buy CDs to iinstall linux (at least close to me)..
I remember that professional programmers were _very_ lame, until we got internet (around 1996). Linux would be great..
As a begginer linux user (I've installed FreeBSD on a 486 dx2 with 4mb of ram, just to try it, then a Debian on the same machine (this time with 8mb) to use masquerade, and I admin a couple of Cobalt RaQ2s. I recompiled a kernel once, but it didn't work, because I didn't check to option to make it for a 486. I like linux, I've never used X (I use DOS windows all the time on my windows98 machine)) I have to say:
Linux documentation is _very_ confusing. I'm not a 'normal' win. user, I used to write programs with turbo pascal 6 for DOS, and now I write a lot of CGI stuff, and some C++; maybe the reason I'm not using linux is because here (Buenos Aires) we didn't have good internet until 2 years ago, so I got used to windows. But I _can't_ read those "man pages". They are very confusing, log, with no examples. HOWTOs are fine, but if I want to do something different, I don't know where to consult.
When I was learning Perl, a friend of mine gave me one of those O'Relly (or something) books, and I was like the logenst book I've ever see. I like a good book, but I don't want to go through 100000000 pages just to get some data from a <form>, and open a text file.. I culdn't find a decent Perl tutorial on the net, and the perl man page is _very_ long and confusing, with no examples (I found an HTML formatted perl man page, but it's still no good).
Maybe I understand man pages now better that 1 year ago (when I installed the first FreeBSD), but it's still not good..
My point is that, for ex., I get spam from Xoom (the offered me Red Hat some months ago..:). So, xoom is paying its servers with spam (they sell Red Hat CDs, and with that money, they pay for the hardware and bandwith that takes all the free sites they host).
I think we want too much. Internet is not as slow and as expensive as it was 3 years ago (and I'm writing from Buenos Aires, where we have one of the highest telephone rates in the world). I think it's like tv: we buy the tv, we pay for the cable, we pay electricity. And we have to 'download' all the comercials they put between the shows. On a 23 munites show, I have to waste 7 more minutes of comercials. Sure, I don't want the commercials, but that's what pays for the free show I'm watching. If the show was 7 minutes, with 23 minutes of commercials, nobody would watch it (I'm not talking about those shows that are _about_ comercials:) => nobody would buy time on that show.
So, I that the fact that we have spam proves that spam is prove that it works (sure, spam is cheaper, but there would be no companies selling lists of "100000000000000 non aol e-mails")
Of course I hate spam, and I'd like to, at least, not get spam about thinks I don't care (I'm young, I don't want to "buy viagra on-line".. or "get a free newsletter".. like I'd pay for spam:), or maybe some header, so I can filter it out.. But it pays for a lot of free services out there (actually, what would be of the Internet without porn?)..
'Linux' is a word invented on the net, like 8 years ago, so I was always written. So, Linus came up with the name, and he typed it on some mail, or newsgroup. No one could 'hear' it, everybody reads the word. So I think there's no "oficial" way, unless Linus says so.
There are a lot of sites that actualy explains how to pronounce the word. Like "debian", or words like that, that are always typed but never speaked.
I think username/password is secure as long as I don't care about the information. I mean, it's not _my_ problem (I'm the sysadmin) if the person chooses a stupid password, as long as the information can't damage my server. For ex.: if the password is to protect an e-mail, or a restricted FTP account, or even a telnet account (on a secure enviromen). Now, if the information concerns me (as the admin.), then I should at least check if the user is not using a stupid password.
But in most of the cases, it's up to the user. He/she should know the value of the information. (of course it wouldn't hurt to use SSL, and all that)
Isn't there a whole chapter about "social engeneering" (or something) on those "learn how to be a hacker in 10 minutes" manuals?
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I think that, besides the _fact_ that both the LUG and the company want to register "Linux", the whole thing is like 'specially made' for slashdot.
After the "real news" (LinuxTECH trying to register 'linux') the LUG posts this open letter with some _really stupid_ arguments about how this company is evil (like "using the name of the well-known Swiss company Linuxtech" or "They freely used the word "Linux" in their company's name, "LinuxTECH". This of course allows them to enjoy the prestige that Linux holds in the business world"). That was not necessary.
Then, the company replyes with another letter that starts "Please note that our native language is spanish" because of all the english readers.
It's funny how both letters are formatted _exactly_ the same.
I thnk all the trademark thing is an important matter, and we have to deal with it, but this particular case was handled wrong by both sides.. I think they are seeking for more than "a fair use of the Linux trademark".
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So, (no offense, just wondering) you think that every guy lusts after you while reading your posts? :)
Actually, it'd be cool to work with "Angela Bennet" (from the movie "the net", I don't remember the name of the actress; she's hot). But I remember the BBS times, there were practically no girls on BBSs. There were also very few Sysops, and they were all fat (I'm talking about Buenos Aires). Internet is different, you find more girs on chat rooms, and there are webmasters, but not a lot of 'coders'. I hate to think of it, but it was harder to log to a BBS (configure the modem, ATDT, etc) than it is to log on a chat room. I think the fact that we are talking about "too many girls" shows that we need more (even if they don't want to/are not encouraged to work on the area), because is boring and ugly to work with a bounch of guys.
BTW, I'm not assuming anything personal about Corrine (since I'm replying directly to your post..:)
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I don't mean comunst in a contemptuous way (I got that word from babelfish). I'm just looking at the poll..
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I learn some stuff from the man pages (perlfunc) and from looking at other scripts, but I still haven't find a decent tutorial on the net (unlike other languajes, like php, C, etc..). I'm still clieless when I find a line like:
$var = ~~^*)(*|^**?^#(8...&(#&|^}[;
or something..
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1) It took like 5 hours to compile 2.2.12 on a 486dx2 with 8MB of ram. It didn't work because I forgot to change some stupid option about the type of microprosessor (it was compiled for pentium). I used menuconfig, so I didn't go through _everything_.
2) For 2.2.13 it took 15 minutes (on a p233mmx with 40 mb), I went through every little option (in fact, I used config instead of menuconfig). When I reboot, the network doesn't work (I'm using the machine for masquerade).
So, I'm stuck with 2.0. that comes with debian.. Maybe I'm used to 'intelligent' and 'wizard' installations.. But I'll keep trying..
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For example:
Sex. It's 1 year, the guy has to get some. And it will be difficult with all those cameras.. :) Can you order prostitutes on line? Or have a "sex-inside-only" relationship?
Money. Sure, the guy has credit cards, but you have to go to an ATM to get some cash to do some small things, link: tip the pizza guy, pay for the prostitutes.. What if a pipe brokes? Can you pay the plumber with a credit card? You need a job.. Sure it's easy if "Peapod.com" gives you free groceries, but that's not real life..
What if you want to watch some cool movie that's not released on VHS or DVD yet? etc, etc.
I personally hate to go out and do boring stuff like go to the bank to sign something, or stuff like that. I also hate picnics.. But e-commerce is just to make it easyer to buy stuff (some stuff), not to make it possible to live locked inside.. Isn't there a mental disease that makes people do that?
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So, they just added year 0 to the calendary? What did they do with all the years BC? 'moved one space'? When was this?
Anyway, this is what I think of the way years are counted.
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I think man pages should have more examples. I never find anything on man pages, not because they are long and unconfortable (I used to read man pages from telnet, now I find them on the net, on HTML), but because I don't know what they are talking about. For ex., I was trying to do IP masquerade. The man page for ipfwadm is very long, and explains every option available, but it's not clear at all.
Also, I didn't find a decent Perl manual yet..
A "Lazy-Ass Linux" distro would be cool to install the first time, and actually get to use linux. And then you can play with the kernel, and configuration stuff..
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The first day of the month is not day 0. The month has 30 days, but you don't end the month after day 29 with 59 hours and 59 minutes, and then you start with day 0. The day 30 has to end.
Same thing with months. The year has 12 months, but you have to end month 12 to celebrate new year.
Same thing with the milenium. It has 1000 years, but you have to get to the end of year 1000 to finish it.
Anyway, I don't care. Belive what you want.. I don't belive in God either, but I don't go around trying to persuade catholics..
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1) get wood
2) build farms
3) sell food on the market
4) buy weapons (and other resources) with the gold
It's not apocalipse, but it was a pretty rough era..
By the way, what about porn?? Sure, the net is full with porn, we have porn on the tip of our fingers, but what if the net colapses? How many GBs of porn is enough.
I say a diesel generator plugged to a machine with a 13GB HD, with the date set to 1/1/1970. That'll get me 30 years..
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Just because they are from some other country doesn't mean they are "raised to stone people".. My guess is that the "children" where 14 or 15 years old. Imagine a bounch of teenagers asking santa for candy..
Is there a link to the story on that newpaper? (I can read spanish..)
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Free publicity for your company, and whatever else you want (the guy is saying "I'm a linux programmer")
Maybe some money.. Maybe if Microsoft gives the guy some money, there's nothing wrong with it..
I'm not assuming that Michael payed the domain because he wanted money from microsoft. I just think there's nothing wrong with that.. After all, who forgot to pay?
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When I first wanted to install linux, I went to some unix irc channel, and then to a linux irc channel, and I asked "where can I download a small linux to install on a 100MB hd, or run from a floppy disk?" (I didn't want to go and buy the CDs). And someone said: "you can go to freebsd.org and install freebsd through FTP".
So, at first I though that FreeBSD was another linux distribution, like "red hat". At that time, all I knew was "linux is a free version of unix; unix is a OS that doesn't crash ever 5 minutes". Then I found out that there is actually a guy named "Linus", and that he wrote the kernel, and that there is a GNU part, etc.
So, I think that a lot of people that are new to this think that bsd and linux are the same thing, and not the opposite, because they hear about "linux" and then run into bsd (because linux has more attention from the media and all).
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Now, if I could buy one of this, I'd be different. Actually, if there was a "release" version of this, that people could buy ($5, mailed on a envelope..), maybe he could make a better impression of the product.. "Paper computers" sounds ridiculous, but I think it'd be really cool to try one..
I can pay $5.. (sure, the guy would need to produce a lot of these..)
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What were the odds? He shoots like 5 minutes every movie (1 every 2 years).
Anyway.. Maybe some comunist captures him to find out about the technology that Bonds uses, and kills him (or Q takes one of those pils to die)..
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I read on some book ("Gardens from Eden", or something. by Carl Sagan; it was in spanish, so I don't know the correct title) that maybe when we are dreaming we have the same level of "consience" that a dog when he's awake. When I'm on a dream I don't think I can say "I'm alive", but I fell fear, and some stuff feels like "alive". So maybe the ant is not just a "machine", it has some level of "self awareness" (which is scary, it would mean that every time you boot a computer, or "kill" a process, you are actually killing something..)
There are some theories about dolphing killing themselves, because they realize they are alive..
So, maybe the internet can have a big mind and say "I'm alive" at some point. Maybe when it get faster connections.. :) (actually, the "faster" would be a perception of my mind, so it's not that important..)
There's no such thing as "propietary software". Nobody pays for their windows, or MS Office. Maybe big companies do, but all small and medium business, and especially home users don't. When you buy a computer, you get it with a pirated windows installed.
There is no good internet. Local phone rates are _very_ high, and the international comunications are monopolized by some company (Telintar), because of some 'transition' law (the gobernment managed comunications until 7 years ago). I installed Debian on a box yesteday using dselect, only because I can pay $125/month for a cablemodem. And connections to outside Argentina are very slow and crowded during the day (even with cablemodem).. It's very difficulr to find a place to buy CDs to iinstall linux (at least close to me)..
I remember that professional programmers were _very_ lame, until we got internet (around 1996). Linux would be great..
Linux documentation is _very_ confusing. I'm not a 'normal' win. user, I used to write programs with turbo pascal 6 for DOS, and now I write a lot of CGI stuff, and some C++; maybe the reason I'm not using linux is because here (Buenos Aires) we didn't have good internet until 2 years ago, so I got used to windows. But I _can't_ read those "man pages". They are very confusing, log, with no examples. HOWTOs are fine, but if I want to do something different, I don't know where to consult.
When I was learning Perl, a friend of mine gave me one of those O'Relly (or something) books, and I was like the logenst book I've ever see. I like a good book, but I don't want to go through 100000000 pages just to get some data from a <form>, and open a text file.. I culdn't find a decent Perl tutorial on the net, and the perl man page is _very_ long and confusing, with no examples (I found an HTML formatted perl man page, but it's still no good).
Maybe I understand man pages now better that 1 year ago (when I installed the first FreeBSD), but it's still not good..
Imagine a normal Windows user..
That's what I ment.
I think it's like tv: we buy the tv, we pay for the cable, we pay electricity. And we have to 'download' all the comercials they put between the shows. On a 23 munites show, I have to waste 7 more minutes of comercials. Sure, I don't want the commercials, but that's what pays for the free show I'm watching. If the show was 7 minutes, with 23 minutes of commercials, nobody would watch it (I'm not talking about those shows that are _about_ comercials
So, I that the fact that we have spam proves that spam is prove that it works (sure, spam is cheaper, but there would be no companies selling lists of "100000000000000 non aol e-mails")
Of course I hate spam, and I'd like to, at least, not get spam about thinks I don't care (I'm young, I don't want to "buy viagra on-line".. or "get a free newsletter".. like I'd pay for spam :), or maybe some header, so I can filter it out.. But it pays for a lot of free services out there (actually, what would be of the Internet without porn?)..
There are a lot of sites that actualy explains how to pronounce the word. Like "debian", or words like that, that are always typed but never speaked.
Now, if the information concerns me (as the admin.), then I should at least check if the user is not using a stupid password.
But in most of the cases, it's up to the user. He/she should know the value of the information. (of course it wouldn't hurt to use SSL, and all that)
Isn't there a whole chapter about "social engeneering" (or something) on those "learn how to be a hacker in 10 minutes" manuals?