"4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
You're regretting that Psych degree, aren't you? You get paid to troll forums--10-year old kids do it all the time, and I'm sure they get just about as much respect. Think about it--do you really have the respect of anyone outside of the small peer-group you are a part of at work? Anyone? Are you simply lying to everyone else, lying about what you do for a living? What kind of respect can you possibly get from a situation like that? What good is the respect of others when you know it's all a lie?
If everyone knew what you do for a living, I doubt you'd be feeling so good about yourself. I think you'd agree with that once you've given it some real thought. Think about it. Look at the current satisfaction ratings of the President and Congress--a lot of people think people like you are the real problem. People with no moral outlook beyond their small ego-bound spheres of influence.
But, there is a way out. You'd instantly earn the respect of millions, and become a hero to many. You see, there are thousands of minds here on Slashdot that make both of us look like mental-midgets--they understand, fully, the implications of all that transpires here. Great things happen here, sometimes.
Spill your guts. Right here, right now.
Start with your real name, so that you don't simply vanish--if we know your name, they can't bury you. Then spill it all--how and where you were recruited, what exactly that it is that you do, who you work for, who you answer to, who pays you. All of it. I figure you have about an hour before the filters flag you--that should be plenty. I assure you your post will not be soon forgotten.
Edward Snowden is a hero to millions, world wide. People of every race and nationality respect him for what he did, regardless of what your employers tell you. You too can be regarded in that same way, simply by being a loyal American, that loyalty being to the Constitution of the United States and to your fellow Americans.
"4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues."
"Cold Fjord" responds to my post 2 minutes later with unrelated garbage...and gets modded upwards, +2 insightful 2 minutes after that? Does anyone else need proof that he is using numerous accounts to farm moderation points, which he then uses to mod himself up and others down?
Again, see the following link for a full explanation of his tactics, then compare to his post/submission history--his favorite tactic is "forum-sliding" where he posts inane/irrelevant crap to force other posts--the ones he doesn't want viewed--off the bottom of the screen, thereby decreasing the chance those posts are modded upward. He is currently trying to push another post of mine in this discussion that is currently at +5 further down the screen by posting above it. He is also attempting to distract from the post he just responded to (mine) by changing the subject.
Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) made news in 2009 for targeting supporters of third party candidates, Ron Paul supporters, pro-life activists, and conspiracy theorists (Hi, Mom!) as potential militia members.[14] Anti-war activists and Islamic lobby groups were targeted in Texas, drawing criticism from the ACLU.[15]
According to the Department of Homeland Security:[16]
[T]he Privacy Office has identified a number of risks to privacy presented by the fusion center program:
Justification for fusion centers
Ambiguous Lines of Authority, Rules, and Oversight
Participation of the Military and the Private Sector
Data Mining
Excessive Secrecy
Inaccurate or Incomplete Information
Mission Creep"
Ironically, this is a report from the Dept. of Homeland Security about the risks of such centers. And yet, nobody has even mentioned how many overseas facilities we're paying for on top of all the domestic ones.
Lets take a close look at what "Cold Fjord" has been up to for the last week.
July 24, 2013 Posting from 11:06am --- 11:25pm Total Posts:13 Submissions:1 Longest Break from Slashdot:8hrs
July 23, 2013 Posting from 12:09am --- 11:46pm Total Posts:30 Submissions:2 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs
July 22, 2013 3 Posts Total, 1 in the AM, 2 in the PM DAY OFF (no links in posts-posting from a phone?)
July 21, 2013 Posting from 8:54am --- 10:29pm Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs
July 20, 2013 3 Posts Total, all 3 in the AM DAY OFF (no links in posts-posting from a phone?)
July 19, 2013 Posting from 4:05am --- 9:57am Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 8hrs
July 18, 2013 Posting from 1;22am --- 10:43pm Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs x2
11 Submissions total in the last month.
As I've stated in a previous post ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3948321&cid=44218623 ), I suspect "Cold Fjord" of having at least 2 other accounts--they all use Northern European references--so, if you do the math, posting at the rate he has been with this account, on 3 accounts, he has a full week of work doing nothing but posting on Slashdot.
Also, since I stated my beliefs about "Cold Fjord", my past posts are slowly but surely being moderated into the negative, where many of those posts were +2-3 territory originally. I've also not had a single post moderated over +2 since then, nor do I ever see the actual reason for the moderation (insightful, etc) unless I am in the negative.
Now that you know all of that, actually read some of the bullshit he spews in his posts, then read the following document outlining how forums can be manipulated, therefore manipulating public perception.
"Expect more articles like this that downplay the scale..."
Downplay the scale? We haven't even seen the drawings for the below-ground facilities.
But, seriously. From the article...
"...and that the sheer size of the data centers in Utah and elsewhere suggests that the agency wants to vacuum up everything it can..."
That's my emphasis--plural. There are more then one of these centers. Take a look at the layout of the Utah Data Center article at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
Does that building layout look anything like the one at the top of the linked Forbes article? The picture of the buildings and the layout right above are a match in the Wikipedia article, yet they don't match the plans in the Forbes article.
So where is this data center that Forbes has the plans to? They're obviously not the same.
Please forward all photographs you've taken of my mail to my email address. This way, I can predetermine, for you, if I even want said articles of mail delivered to my address. I am sure precluding bulk mailings and advertisements from delivery to my address will save the USPS even more money.
On second thought, could you just open my mail for me before you photograph it? I can just read my mail in the photos and save you the trouble of delivering anything.
Imagine trying to find information at the Public Library if the librarians suddenly got rid of the catalog. Sure, you could find the information, but at serious cost to the amount of time you have available to you, and thereby preventing you from spending that time looking up other information. What Yahoo! has done is worse--they essentially took books off the shelves and put them in the fucking basement. Define it as you may, this is censorship.
Corporate Mass-Media is doing this with the Snowden/PRISM articles--they're there, just buried amongst all the Trayvon/Zimmerman articles. It's all Jedi mind tricks...
(No, I will not agree to mod your post up as I have not been allocated any for the last 3 weeks, when I usually get 5-10 a week. Besides, that would be pandering.)
" A bit later, I thought that such a system was too easy to abuse..."
After seeing the system at work in NYC, imagine a specific target group, and them only , being sent an "alert". If anyone in that group responds to the alert with their cellphone--even picking it up-- they have essentially allowed themselves to be "painted". That is to say that their physical body is directly co-located with their cellphone (already geo-located via several methods including triangulation and GPS).
Slashdot Mirror
From The Gentlepersons Guide to Forum Spies:
"4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
From the Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies:
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
"I'm quite satisfied with the points I made. Your point was nonsense, but I image it will still fool the gullible."
Actually, I was referring to moderation points, but it's nice to see I'm wearing you out--you sound like you're getting a cold.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
"What does that make you?"
Not alone.
You're out of points, aren't you?
You're regretting that Psych degree, aren't you? You get paid to troll forums--10-year old kids do it all the time, and I'm sure they get just about as much respect. Think about it--do you really have the respect of anyone outside of the small peer-group you are a part of at work? Anyone? Are you simply lying to everyone else, lying about what you do for a living? What kind of respect can you possibly get from a situation like that? What good is the respect of others when you know it's all a lie?
If everyone knew what you do for a living, I doubt you'd be feeling so good about yourself. I think you'd agree with that once you've given it some real thought. Think about it. Look at the current satisfaction ratings of the President and Congress--a lot of people think people like you are the real problem. People with no moral outlook beyond their small ego-bound spheres of influence.
But, there is a way out. You'd instantly earn the respect of millions, and become a hero to many. You see, there are thousands of minds here on Slashdot that make both of us look like mental-midgets--they understand, fully, the implications of all that transpires here. Great things happen here, sometimes.
Spill your guts. Right here, right now.
Start with your real name, so that you don't simply vanish--if we know your name, they can't bury you. Then spill it all--how and where you were recruited, what exactly that it is that you do, who you work for, who you answer to, who pays you. All of it. I figure you have about an hour before the filters flag you--that should be plenty. I assure you your post will not be soon forgotten.
Edward Snowden is a hero to millions, world wide. People of every race and nationality respect him for what he did, regardless of what your employers tell you. You too can be regarded in that same way, simply by being a loyal American, that loyalty being to the Constitution of the United States and to your fellow Americans.
From The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies:
"4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues."
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
Damn, dude. You are fucking stupid.
"Cold Fjord" responds to my post 2 minutes later with unrelated garbage...and gets modded upwards, +2 insightful 2 minutes after that? Does anyone else need proof that he is using numerous accounts to farm moderation points, which he then uses to mod himself up and others down?
Again, see the following link for a full explanation of his tactics, then compare to his post/submission history--his favorite tactic is "forum-sliding" where he posts inane/irrelevant crap to force other posts--the ones he doesn't want viewed--off the bottom of the screen, thereby decreasing the chance those posts are modded upward. He is currently trying to push another post of mine in this discussion that is currently at +5 further down the screen by posting above it. He is also attempting to distract from the post he just responded to (mine) by changing the subject.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
"Or just some Area to keep the stuff in, they'd have to have at least 50 of them by now..."
Let's not forget the 72 "Fusion Centers" located throughout the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center
From that article:
"MIAC report
Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) made news in 2009 for targeting supporters of third party candidates, Ron Paul supporters, pro-life activists, and conspiracy theorists (Hi, Mom!) as potential militia members.[14] Anti-war activists and Islamic lobby groups were targeted in Texas, drawing criticism from the ACLU.[15]
According to the Department of Homeland Security:[16]
[T]he Privacy Office has identified a number of risks to privacy presented by the fusion center program:
Justification for fusion centers
Ambiguous Lines of Authority, Rules, and Oversight
Participation of the Military and the Private Sector
Data Mining
Excessive Secrecy
Inaccurate or Incomplete Information
Mission Creep"
Ironically, this is a report from the Dept. of Homeland Security about the risks of such centers. And yet, nobody has even mentioned how many overseas facilities we're paying for on top of all the domestic ones.
"This was submitted by cold fjord..."
Lets take a close look at what "Cold Fjord" has been up to for the last week.
July 24, 2013 Posting from 11:06am --- 11:25pm Total Posts:13 Submissions:1 Longest Break from Slashdot:8hrs
July 23, 2013 Posting from 12:09am --- 11:46pm Total Posts:30 Submissions:2 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs
July 22, 2013 3 Posts Total, 1 in the AM, 2 in the PM DAY OFF (no links in posts-posting from a phone?)
July 21, 2013 Posting from 8:54am --- 10:29pm Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs
July 20, 2013 3 Posts Total, all 3 in the AM DAY OFF (no links in posts-posting from a phone?)
July 19, 2013 Posting from 4:05am --- 9:57am Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 8hrs
July 18, 2013 Posting from 1;22am --- 10:43pm Total Posts:18 Submissions:0 Longest Break from Slashdot: 4hrs x2
11 Submissions total in the last month.
As I've stated in a previous post ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3948321&cid=44218623 ), I suspect "Cold Fjord" of having at least 2 other accounts--they all use Northern European references--so, if you do the math, posting at the rate he has been with this account, on 3 accounts, he has a full week of work doing nothing but posting on Slashdot.
Also, since I stated my beliefs about "Cold Fjord", my past posts are slowly but surely being moderated into the negative, where many of those posts were +2-3 territory originally. I've also not had a single post moderated over +2 since then, nor do I ever see the actual reason for the moderation (insightful, etc) unless I am in the negative.
Now that you know all of that, actually read some of the bullshit he spews in his posts, then read the following document outlining how forums can be manipulated, therefore manipulating public perception.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
I'll make no bones about it--I think "Cold Fjord" is a paid forum-manipulator. I can only guess who actually pays him.
"Expect more articles like this that downplay the scale..."
Downplay the scale? We haven't even seen the drawings for the below-ground facilities.
But, seriously. From the article...
"...and that the sheer size of the data centers in Utah and elsewhere suggests that the agency wants to vacuum up everything it can..."
That's my emphasis--plural. There are more then one of these centers. Take a look at the layout of the Utah Data Center article at Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
Does that building layout look anything like the one at the top of the linked Forbes article? The picture of the buildings and the layout right above are a match in the Wikipedia article, yet they don't match the plans in the Forbes article.
So where is this data center that Forbes has the plans to? They're obviously not the same.
Dear USPS,
Please forward all photographs you've taken of my mail to my email address. This way, I can predetermine, for you, if I even want said articles of mail delivered to my address. I am sure precluding bulk mailings and advertisements from delivery to my address will save the USPS even more money.
On second thought, could you just open my mail for me before you photograph it? I can just read my mail in the photos and save you the trouble of delivering anything.
Thanks,
Bob the Recycling Dude
NO. As in, FUCK NO.
"Is Sauron in the gov there?"
Sauron has been the US president for some time. "One Spy-Ring to rule them all", etc, etc.
"...just made it harder to find"
Imagine trying to find information at the Public Library if the librarians suddenly got rid of the catalog. Sure, you could find the information, but at serious cost to the amount of time you have available to you, and thereby preventing you from spending that time looking up other information. What Yahoo! has done is worse--they essentially took books off the shelves and put them in the fucking basement. Define it as you may, this is censorship.
Corporate Mass-Media is doing this with the Snowden/PRISM articles--they're there, just buried amongst all the Trayvon/Zimmerman articles. It's all Jedi mind tricks...
"Insurance companies will use them to raise rates (Score:5, Interesting)"
And then they will share all gathered data with the NSA...while accepting money, your money, in exchange. Shareholders, rejoice.
"Obviously a lot of folks do want to wear computers. Even if you don't like it."
Obviously, a lot of folks want more surveillance in the US, even though others do not. What's your point?
"Also, you can probably use Google Apps to do the same as well."
You aren't seriously suggesting using Google to address a security issue, are you?
I was able to access http://www.george-orwell.org/1984 a moment ago. Beginning to suspect server is getting slammed.
This is encouraging.
Next request...
Is anyone able to mod my original post upward?
(No, I will not agree to mod your post up as I have not been allocated any for the last 3 weeks, when I usually get 5-10 a week. Besides, that would be pandering.)
While they are still functional...
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1984.htm
http://msxnet.org/orwell/1984
http://www.ministryoflies.com/1984.pdf
Could someone do me a solid and check to see if the following website is available to you?
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984
As of this morning, it is "forbidden" from all machines in my house. I know this because I read chapter 1 last night just before bed.
Thanks in advance.
" A bit later, I thought that such a system was too easy to abuse..."
After seeing the system at work in NYC, imagine a specific target group, and them only , being sent an "alert". If anyone in that group responds to the alert with their cellphone--even picking it up-- they have essentially allowed themselves to be "painted". That is to say that their physical body is directly co-located with their cellphone (already geo-located via several methods including triangulation and GPS).
1984 Removed from Netflix.
Digital version of a book burning.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm