I said the government can come and tell Apple to give access to the data.
How? ON what basis? Apple is not based in China, and there certainly isn't any international law that would compel Apple to do so. You argue:
Apple can't conduct business on the Chinese soil unless the Chinese government lets them, so they have no other choice than to do anything the government tells them to.
So you really think China would willy-nilly force Apple out of the country, and in the process (because they would have no choice) shut down some of their own largest companies, which make Apple products?
You really don't get it. Governments can't just do any old shit they want, and damn the economy. I mean, we know Obama thinks he can, and look at the mess he's made.
Even if it's not legally extortion (I think it is), it still violates the contract users have with their ISPs. My contract doesn't allow any such thing.
For Christ's sake, let's just make them all Title II Common Carriers and have done with all this bullshit. It might not solve everything but it solves about 95% of it.
By "every few years" I mean every new docsis/dsl version. Even the worst monopolies have been adopting the latest docsis/dsl protocols over the years albeit at a slow pace. The cost of staying on copper is lots of maintenance and minor upgrades in the future, the cost of switching to fiber is an initial investment and then smooth sailing for a long time because it's more reliable and such a significant jump in speed that you won't need to upgrade equipment for decades.
You're talking reason, which doesn't work in this context. They don't want to invest in infrastructure. Instead, they keep traffic slow on purpose, in order to create a fake "shortage" of bandwidth, thereby allowing them to charge more for less service.
It's typical monopolistic bullshit. And they get away with it because they're gigantic corporations that don't really compete in most of the U.S., because they have defined, doled-out territories.
Your argument makes sense in a free-market, business context. But it ain't a free market, and it ain't normal business. On the contrary, it has been government-collusion monopoly.
Apple just confirmed what the Chinese government has been saying. The NSA has access to data they store. The keys are deliberately kept where the NSA has access to them. Of you don't want the US to steal your data, don't store it on an Apple server.
This is funny because every server I have worked on in the last 15 years -- and that means a lot -- has gotten regularly port-scanned and other penetration attempts from Chinese IP addresses. EVERY ONE of them.
Then China can, and will, close the server farms in China. Or arrest the managers in China for the equivalent of "contempt of court".
Just as easily as Apple can, and will, pull its jobs back out of China. Which, it should be noted, support some of the largest and most successfull businesses in the country.
First of all, a company doing business in a country must respect and obey the laws of said country. That goes without even saying, moron. Apple has registered subsidiaries in China, nevermind their huge manufacturing sourcing business in mainland.
Show me where there is a law saying that Apple must store its encryption keys on-shore. Guess what? There isn't one. See, Apple isn't breaking the law because it isn't IN China, it just does business there. But there's more to this... very much more.
As for "gradually been bringing its manufacturing back home" this means you are too stupid to cross the street. No consumer IT / electronics company in the US, Apple included, can bring manufacturing back to the US
You still aren't getting it. The whole point here is that unlike Chinese citizens, Apple does not have to ask for permission to store its encryption keys offshore. It can store them anywhere it damned well pleases. And if the Chinese government doesn't like that, well, they can just close down those companies that work for Apple. Which... coincidence? I think not... are some of the largest, most successful businesses in China.
You do? I don't understand why. I think we're in agreement. I wasn't being sarcastic.
Yes, I think we are in agreement. I just thought your comment was awkwardly worded.
Let me think...Thomas Paine style classical liberalism? No, not that...
Um... just no. The press which follows the current administration (which means most of it) has been spouting pretty much the OPPOSITE of "classical liberalism", which today is called libertarian.
This is about end-users, not manufacturing. Even if Apple managed to completely move all of their manufacturing to the U.S. they wouldn't want to lose all the possible end-users of their products in China.
Yes it is, and that's precisely where you're getting it wrong.
"End users" in China don't want the government to control their information. This is the 21st Century. They're not fucking stupid.
No, that's just marketing. They can just order Apple to decrypt the data since Apple has the keys. Their location doesn't matter since the data is in the country already.
What a silly-assed thing to say. Sure, they could order it. And Apple could completely ignore them. Big fucking deal.
Guess what? Apple has been gradually been bringing its manufacturing back home. If China pressed them, they'd just do it quicker.
Only when you look at it from an immediate perspective. Yes it's a big investment but doing incremental copper equipment upgrades every few years is too, the small upgrades just allows them to pass the cost onto the customers over a long period of time.
No, and this is the crux of the point. What do you consider "every few years"? Cable around here hasn't been upgraded in any significant way for AT LEAST 10 years, and I know damned well that the (big name) ISP has no plans to do it soon.
Apple's statement that its move is to "improve speed and reliability" is clearly bullshit, in light of the recent Chinese government demand that such data be stored in-country. So much is clear and obvious.
However, Apple should be given huge kudos if their claim that they store it encrypted, and that the encryption keys are offshore, is correct. If so, it's a brilliant move. Eat that, China!
The cost of going from the neighborhood to the home is ANYTHING BUT minimal. It's arguably one of the largest expenses.
Rough comparison: cable (or fiber) to the neighborhood from the local station: 2500 feet. Cable from the neighborhood hub to each of 50 homes: 5000 feet. And often the latter has to be underground.
I think you mis-read GP. It would be a surprise to those people, yes. And I think it's legit to include many who haven't read Hazlitt. An awful lot of people get their ideas from the TV these days. And guess what kind of BS the news tends to spout, in the days of a "Progressive" administration?
Whup, there's your problem. App Store is not designed to serve developers. It serves Apple. That's all.
This, and obviously this.
There is no other plausible explanation for why they left out many ridiculously obvious yet easy-to-implement features. Like for example, being able to do a search, or choosing a category, then sorting (forward and reverse) by:
Sub-category (Genre for games, for example. Why isn't that there now?)
Name (Seriously Apple, you can't sort a search or most categories by name? Really? WTF?)
Last updated.
First uploaded.
Price
Also, pagination that actually works. If I use the page links at the bottom to go to, say, page 3 of a category, then try to go back, as often as not (but not always) it takes me all the way back to the first page. I mean, really? Shit, I can do web pages a lot better than that.
In this day and age, you almost have to have a driver's license. How is it fair that they make you get one, and then they use privacy-violating facial recognition software on it? They shouldn't be allowed to use this information as they please. They should need a specific warrant to even look at it, and I don't think all these government organizations should be sharing information. Freedom and privacy are simply more important than safety.
doesn't disgust me.
Because you're anti-freedom. Enjoy the fruits of your labor, the very same fruits that have grown time and time again throughout history.
The 5.6 software's good, and I use "AirPort Utility 5.6.1 Launcher" which allows it to run on Mavericks, which it otherwise wouldn't due to Apple's attempt to force users to the crappy, ball-sucking 6.x version.
Yes, I use the Launcher too. But because 5.6 is no longer supported, it probably won't work with the AC router. That's the whole problem.
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I said the government can come and tell Apple to give access to the data.
How? ON what basis? Apple is not based in China, and there certainly isn't any international law that would compel Apple to do so. You argue:
Apple can't conduct business on the Chinese soil unless the Chinese government lets them, so they have no other choice than to do anything the government tells them to.
So you really think China would willy-nilly force Apple out of the country, and in the process (because they would have no choice) shut down some of their own largest companies, which make Apple products?
You really don't get it. Governments can't just do any old shit they want, and damn the economy. I mean, we know Obama thinks he can, and look at the mess he's made.
Even if it's not legally extortion (I think it is), it still violates the contract users have with their ISPs. My contract doesn't allow any such thing.
For Christ's sake, let's just make them all Title II Common Carriers and have done with all this bullshit. It might not solve everything but it solves about 95% of it.
Who didn't see this coming?
By "every few years" I mean every new docsis/dsl version. Even the worst monopolies have been adopting the latest docsis/dsl protocols over the years albeit at a slow pace. The cost of staying on copper is lots of maintenance and minor upgrades in the future, the cost of switching to fiber is an initial investment and then smooth sailing for a long time because it's more reliable and such a significant jump in speed that you won't need to upgrade equipment for decades.
You're talking reason, which doesn't work in this context. They don't want to invest in infrastructure. Instead, they keep traffic slow on purpose, in order to create a fake "shortage" of bandwidth, thereby allowing them to charge more for less service.
It's typical monopolistic bullshit. And they get away with it because they're gigantic corporations that don't really compete in most of the U.S., because they have defined, doled-out territories.
Your argument makes sense in a free-market, business context. But it ain't a free market, and it ain't normal business. On the contrary, it has been government-collusion monopoly.
Apple just confirmed what the Chinese government has been saying. The NSA has access to data they store. The keys are deliberately kept where the NSA has access to them. Of you don't want the US to steal your data, don't store it on an Apple server.
This is funny because every server I have worked on in the last 15 years -- and that means a lot -- has gotten regularly port-scanned and other penetration attempts from Chinese IP addresses. EVERY ONE of them.
Then China can, and will, close the server farms in China. Or arrest the managers in China for the equivalent of "contempt of court".
Just as easily as Apple can, and will, pull its jobs back out of China. Which, it should be noted, support some of the largest and most successfull businesses in the country.
Apple can afford to do it. If it wants.
I think you're really a special kind of stupid.
I think we'll let others decide that.
First of all, a company doing business in a country must respect and obey the laws of said country. That goes without even saying, moron. Apple has registered subsidiaries in China, nevermind their huge manufacturing sourcing business in mainland.
Show me where there is a law saying that Apple must store its encryption keys on-shore. Guess what? There isn't one. See, Apple isn't breaking the law because it isn't IN China, it just does business there. But there's more to this... very much more.
As for "gradually been bringing its manufacturing back home" this means you are too stupid to cross the street. No consumer IT / electronics company in the US, Apple included, can bring manufacturing back to the US
Yeah? How about this? And this? And this? And this?
And many, many more. Hmmm. It seems just maybe I knew a bit more about it than you, eh?
You still aren't getting it. The whole point here is that unlike Chinese citizens, Apple does not have to ask for permission to store its encryption keys offshore. It can store them anywhere it damned well pleases. And if the Chinese government doesn't like that, well, they can just close down those companies that work for Apple. Which... coincidence? I think not... are some of the largest, most successful businesses in China.
You do? I don't understand why. I think we're in agreement. I wasn't being sarcastic.
Yes, I think we are in agreement. I just thought your comment was awkwardly worded.
Let me think...Thomas Paine style classical liberalism? No, not that...
Um... just no. The press which follows the current administration (which means most of it) has been spouting pretty much the OPPOSITE of "classical liberalism", which today is called libertarian.
Are you retarded? Do you have any idea how much the Chinese market is worth to Apple? Here's a clue: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gr...
THE END MARKET is what Apple is going for. Screw the Chinese government. What they're doing is in the interest of the Chinese CUSTOMER.
And if you don't see that, then let's talk again about who's retarded.
This is about end-users, not manufacturing. Even if Apple managed to completely move all of their manufacturing to the U.S. they wouldn't want to lose all the possible end-users of their products in China.
Yes it is, and that's precisely where you're getting it wrong.
"End users" in China don't want the government to control their information. This is the 21st Century. They're not fucking stupid.
No, that's just marketing. They can just order Apple to decrypt the data since Apple has the keys. Their location doesn't matter since the data is in the country already.
What a silly-assed thing to say. Sure, they could order it. And Apple could completely ignore them. Big fucking deal.
Guess what? Apple has been gradually been bringing its manufacturing back home. If China pressed them, they'd just do it quicker.
Only when you look at it from an immediate perspective. Yes it's a big investment but doing incremental copper equipment upgrades every few years is too, the small upgrades just allows them to pass the cost onto the customers over a long period of time.
No, and this is the crux of the point. What do you consider "every few years"? Cable around here hasn't been upgraded in any significant way for AT LEAST 10 years, and I know damned well that the (big name) ISP has no plans to do it soon.
BECAUSE it costs so much.
Apple's statement that its move is to "improve speed and reliability" is clearly bullshit, in light of the recent Chinese government demand that such data be stored in-country. So much is clear and obvious.
However, Apple should be given huge kudos if their claim that they store it encrypted, and that the encryption keys are offshore, is correct. If so, it's a brilliant move. Eat that, China!
It happens in a number of states right now, including some around here. Go ask them if they're dreaming.
Very well put.
The cost of going from the neighborhood to the home is ANYTHING BUT minimal. It's arguably one of the largest expenses.
Rough comparison: cable (or fiber) to the neighborhood from the local station: 2500 feet. Cable from the neighborhood hub to each of 50 homes: 5000 feet. And often the latter has to be underground.
Hint: that's the real "last mile".
Sorry, doesn't work for people who wear their underwear on the outside.
I think you mis-read GP. It would be a surprise to those people, yes. And I think it's legit to include many who haven't read Hazlitt. An awful lot of people get their ideas from the TV these days. And guess what kind of BS the news tends to spout, in the days of a "Progressive" administration?
Whup, there's your problem. App Store is not designed to serve developers. It serves Apple. That's all.
This, and obviously this.
There is no other plausible explanation for why they left out many ridiculously obvious yet easy-to-implement features. Like for example, being able to do a search, or choosing a category, then sorting (forward and reverse) by:
Sub-category (Genre for games, for example. Why isn't that there now?)
Name (Seriously Apple, you can't sort a search or most categories by name? Really? WTF?)
Last updated.
First uploaded.
Price
Also, pagination that actually works. If I use the page links at the bottom to go to, say, page 3 of a category, then try to go back, as often as not (but not always) it takes me all the way back to the first page. I mean, really? Shit, I can do web pages a lot better than that.
... so is the value-added tax or sales tax, which hits poor and middle class disproportionately to the percent of income taxed.
No, it isn't, if you don't tax necessities like food, and tax obvious luxuries like yachts more in proportion.
On another note, somewhat surprising is that Gartner says the "cloud computing" is not just hype anymore, but becoming a mainstream technology.
Wrong. It may be mainstream technology, but it's still mostly hype.
In this day and age, you almost have to have a driver's license. How is it fair that they make you get one, and then they use privacy-violating facial recognition software on it? They shouldn't be allowed to use this information as they please. They should need a specific warrant to even look at it, and I don't think all these government organizations should be sharing information. Freedom and privacy are simply more important than safety.
doesn't disgust me.
Because you're anti-freedom. Enjoy the fruits of your labor, the very same fruits that have grown time and time again throughout history.
Too bad it's an AC comment. I agree 100%.
THIS.
This is a non-issue. Open Source (or specifically GPL) has no genuine relationship to the actual problem here. .
The 5.6 software's good, and I use "AirPort Utility 5.6.1 Launcher" which allows it to run on Mavericks, which it otherwise wouldn't due to Apple's attempt to force users to the crappy, ball-sucking 6.x version.
Yes, I use the Launcher too. But because 5.6 is no longer supported, it probably won't work with the AC router. That's the whole problem.