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Rightscorp's New Plan: Hijack Browsers Until Infingers Pay Up

A few weeks ago, Rightscorp announced plans to have ISPs disconnect repeat copyright infringers. mpicpp (3454017) wrote in with news that Rightscorp announced during their latest earnings call further plans to require ISPs to block all web access (using a proxy system similar to hotel / college campus wifi logins) until users admit guilt and pay a settlement fine (replacing the current system of ISPs merely forwarding notices to users). Quoting TorrentFreak: [Rightscorp] says 75,000 cases have been settled so far with copyright holders picking up $10 from each. ... What is clear is that Rightscorp is determined to go after "Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Cable Vision and one more" in order to "get all of them compliant" (i.e forwarding settlement demands). The company predicts that more details on the strategy will develop in the fall, but comments from COO & CTO Robert Steele hint on how that might be achieved. ... "[What] we really want to do is move away from termination and move to what's called a hard redirect, like, when you go into a hotel and you have to put your room number in order to get past the browser and get on to browsing the web." The idea that mere allegations from an anti-piracy company could bring a complete halt to an entire household or business Internet connection until a fine is paid is less like a "piracy speeding ticket" and more like a "piracy wheel clamp", one that costs $20 to have removed.

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  1. "Hard redirect" by Megane · · Score: 5, Informative

    aka "extortion"

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    1. Re:"Hard redirect" by meglon · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

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    2. Re:"Hard redirect" by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      Tribute. but, it's the same thing.

    3. Re:"Hard redirect" by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      Would this technique still work on OS X browsers? If so, Apple needs to get a patch effort going.

    4. Re:"Hard redirect" by chew8bitsperbyte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course it would. The redirect happens at your ISP's level. Unless you're doing some fancy ICMP tunneling or some such business, you're going to get hit by this regardless of your OS choice.

    5. Re:"Hard redirect" by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it would work on almost all browsers and there likely would never be a patch that would get around it. Well not a legal one- you would basically have to hack the authentification system.

      The browser is only in play in order to display messages with this. Access control is typically on the hardware level with the packets being redirected to control access. Of course if done by proxy, its a software/hardware combo but the router will not forward packets outside what they allow.

      I see some consumer protection laws comming into play. Currently, if they shut you off, you do not continue to be charged. If they keep ylur account active but deny you the internet (which would be neccesary to display the messages) you aren't getting what you payed for. I'm also thinking some RICO statutes might be in play too if it can be determined they colluded in ordr to defraud the consumer.

    6. Re:"Hard redirect" by davydagger · · Score: 1

      so basicly like malware.

    7. Re:"Hard redirect" by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

      As other 2 said it would be ISP redirecting it all, But no ISP would do it as it would be a massive legal issue for them.

    8. Re:"Hard redirect" by sixoh1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IANAL but this definitely seems to fall within Tortious Interference or similar acts which would serve to break the contract between you and your ISP. Then again there is probably a clause in your ToS which they will attempt to use to allow this based on their "need" to charge Netflix extra for network peering.

      Don't forget to read your contract and notifications of change!

    9. Re:"Hard redirect" by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Similar logic applies to having the ISP cut off your connection entirely -- if they got statutory authority for one of them, I bet they could get the same kind of permission for the other (if the original language of the law doesn't cover both already).

      Next up: Booting all of your connectivity -- mobile as well as hardline -- through one, integrated, Big Brother-ish app.

    10. Re:"Hard redirect" by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Silly rabbit. Property rights and contract laws don't apply in the digital world. Control is 99/100ths of the law.

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    11. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Similar logic applies to having the ISP cut off your connection entirely

      What the GP is mentioning, Tortious Interference, is what Rightscorp would be doing: interfering with your contract. Your ISP has a clause that allows them to end your contract whenever they want. Rightscorp has no right to trigger that clause, and if they do, you can sue for tortious interference. You won't win, but you can sue.

    12. Re:"Hard redirect" by joocemann · · Score: 1

      Without a case in court, it is absolutely extortion. This is, in itself, a potentially worse crime than piracy. Wow.

    13. Re:"Hard redirect" by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the correct way to handle this is to put Rightscorp staff in jail . And if that is not possible, then kill them at first sight with extreme prejudice.

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    14. Re:"Hard redirect" by Adriax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah. My question is what malware are they stealing the idea from.
      Something their CEO caught probably.

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    15. Re:"Hard redirect" by meglon · · Score: 1, Funny

      You'd have to ask him to be sure, but i understand those gay, interracial, midget, sailor, bestiality, latex, bdsm sites are brutal when it comes to viruses.... well, actually, any site with a sailor on it... i guess the rest of that is kinda moot.

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    16. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then kill them at first sight with extreme prejudice.

      Because two wrongs make a right?

    17. Re:"Hard redirect" by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You can't fly. You can't for, but you can jump off a skyscraper and flap your arms.

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    18. Re:"Hard redirect" by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Even if it's not legally extortion (I think it is), it still violates the contract users have with their ISPs. My contract doesn't allow any such thing.

      For Christ's sake, let's just make them all Title II Common Carriers and have done with all this bullshit. It might not solve everything but it solves about 95% of it.

    19. Re: "Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they are multiplied, yes.

    20. Re:"Hard redirect" by Chas · · Score: 1

      No. Because, if the law is prevented from doing its job, it's the duty of every freedom-loving citizen to draw attention to the injustice.

      Promising and then following through with giving these people "David Carradine Happy Endings" will draw appropriate amounts.

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    21. Re:"Hard redirect" by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

      and all music "wants to be free"

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    22. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... then kill them ...

      That's the wrong outcome. Give their soul a hard re-direct to another existential plane until their corpse pays the fine for causing "extreme prejudice": Then their corporeal existence can resume.

      Remember, buzz-words are your friend.

    23. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Send them to Africa!

    24. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change ISP at first sign of this. Then contest the contract. Then contest the past bill. Let them take it tocollections. Good luck with that. Make it cost the ISP more than the $10-20 that shitheads want. Let the ISP slam the door in there face.

    25. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing an idiocy like shooting people would draw is a sentence and an execution. Hopefully, a botched one.

    26. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only classified as murder when you kill a human being.
      Seeing as these people do not have any idea on how humans behave, then it stands to erason taht they are aliens, and thus we can call it planetary defence.

    27. Re: "Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not only that, he ignored the heterosexuals!!!

    28. Re:"Hard redirect" by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      They do not need statutory authority to turn your internet off. They can just cancel your contract and sever ties with you. In a lot of instances, this cann be done for any reason not barred by law.

      The problem with this scheme is that in order for it to work, they have to keep your contract and deny your rights under it while demanding extra payment to a third party.

    29. Re: "Hard redirect" by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

      You are a very naive guy. When the pen fails to do their job, is the time of sword.

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    30. Re:"Hard redirect" by Entrope · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The key element of a tortious interference claim is not the existence of a contract, it is third-party interference with a business or contractual relationship. sixoh1 was suggesting that someone might have a cause of action against Rightscorp, not the ISP, so the ISP's prerogative to terminate customer contracts is not relevant.

    31. Re:"Hard redirect" by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Yes, it would work on almost all browsers and there likely would never be a patch that would get around it.

      No, unless they made a big stupid error, it would work on every browser past, present and future; as well as every other application trying to use the Internet; and no patch can get around that. That's because you cannot access the Internet if your ISP does not want you to. You could however get a contract from another ISP, assuming Rightscorp did not put you on some sort of industry-wide blacklist.

    32. Re:"Hard redirect" by Chas · · Score: 1

      Hey, I never said there wouldn't be consequences.

      It's up to the individual to determine whether or not said consequences are acceptable.

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    33. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a nice Internet you have there. It'd be a shame if something happen to it.

    34. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL...

      Quit bragging - my wife just gets mad at me any time I bring it up.

    35. Re:"Hard redirect" by kheldan · · Score: 1

      It comes to this? My solution is simple: Call Comcast (in my case) and cancel my service. I tell them I'm going to go with AT&T U-verse instead, they'll change their tune and remove the block rather than lose a customer. If not, then even if I have no other choice for internet? I just do without. Life does not depend on having internet access.

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    36. Re:"Hard redirect" by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      And what to do when justice fails, dumb one? lick the balls of the offender?

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    37. Re:"Hard redirect" by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I used the phrasing almost all specifically because it may be possible to bypass the controls using UDP. However, this would require a lot if things to happen like the ISP only restricting tcp/ip and a proxy server on the isp's network within the same segnent as your ip block (udp is not routable without some help).

      There are some tools on the internet that can explain it way better than i can snd help you achieve it but i used some of them a few years ago to bypass the login screens on some free wifi connections in the past when i wanted truly anonymous access.

    38. Re: "Hard redirect" by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      Similar logic applies to having the ISP cut off your connection entirely -- if they got statutory authority for one of them, I bet they could get the same kind of permission for the other (if the original language of the law doesn't cover both already).

      I am not sure how it works in the U.S., but for example in South Africa, retail internet access products are usually provided subject to Terms of Service, which would allow for remedial action of some kind for abuses such as spamming, port-scanning etc.

      Next up: Booting all of your connectivity -- mobile as well as hardline -- through one, integrated, Big Brother-ish app.

      You say that as if there isn't a billion-dollar broadband policy (PCRF) and control (PCEF/"DPI") market

    39. Re:"Hard redirect" by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Change ISP at first sign of this. Then contest the contract. Then contest the past bill. Let them take it tocollections. Good luck with that. Make it cost the ISP more than the $10-20 that shitheads want. Let the ISP slam the door in there face.

      Actually, if you do any "consulting" (think hard!) with your computer, using the internet (as many, many Slashdotters do), or if your job requires you respond to work emails in a timely manner, the MONETARY DAMAGES to you can mount up PRETTY FAST...

      THINK!!!

    40. Re:"Hard redirect" by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      Even if it's not legally extortion (I think it is), it still violates the contract users have with their ISPs. My contract doesn't allow any such thing.

      More than likely, if you have a residential contract with your ISP it has a clause to the effect of "we can change this agreement any time we like". True, you can cancel your service at that point without penalty, but in some (many?) places that might mean going without broadband, at least in the US. And how long will it take Comcast, etc. to come around to Rightscorp's way of thinking if they offer to split their settlement^W protection money? Sure, this could be a boon for some small ISP with morals and a backbone, but there aren't too many of those around.

      BTW, total agreement on the common carrier thing.

    41. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should I bother to read the contract? It's not like I can go to some other company that has a better one. They're all anti-customer crap.

    42. Re:"Hard redirect" by fgouget · · Score: 1

      I used the phrasing almost all specifically because it may be possible to bypass the controls using UDP.

      If the block can be bypassed using UDP then the ISP made a 'big stupid error' as I mentioned. Their router should simply not forward any packet outside the local network until the customer provided his credentials. That covers IPv4 (TCP, UDP, ICMP, others), IPv6, and anything else, whether they support it or not. For ADSL it should be pretty easy to identify the customer's line and redirect anything coming from that line, leaving no possibility of escape. Customers who connect to their ISP through a shared medium, like cable or WiFi, there's an escape route which is to hack their hardware/software stack to impersonate another customer on that shared medium. But that's obviously illegal and furthermore there's no point for them to keep paying for Internet access in the first place.

    43. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL but I/my company am/is currently involved in litigation against former customer and 2 third parties for something along these lines (fundamental breach of contract, not related to IP infringement but which is also involving aspects from codes IL700 including but not limited to tortious interference, inducing breach of contract, civil conspiracy and anticipatory repudiation - hence the AC posting).

      With things like breach of contract, there are aspects of the law concerning "reasonable remedies" and such in that the parties are supposed to be allowed to remedy a situation within a certain time frame before one can be considered to be breaching their contract (ie a breach isn't always immediate - applies usually in the case of a supplier failing to supply a product or service, they have time to supply a product or service that is equal to or better than the original).

      Even if there is an accusation from Rightscorp or other entity, it would stand to reason that a judgement needs to be made before anyone (ISP or otherwise) can take an action like that which is being proposed, otherwise the ISP is breaching the contract, and Rightscorp would probably be inducing this breach, which, depending on the state, might be covered by a number of sections including those I mentioned in my first paragraph.

      As it turns out many contracts have clauses which aren't even technically enforceable or even legal under law, but the company will use them and it only gets noticed once you get in to a court room - which most cases don't. Under law, for example, a supplier (in this case, your ISP) technically can't change the contract with zero notice (or indeed, retroactively) - there has to be a reasonable time-period for notice of change, and of course if you don't agree to the new terms you *should* be allowed to terminate for cause.

      Ideally, anyway. Whether a termination would standa up based on Rightscorps accusation that you have infringed - which is probably a "violation" of the ISP's ToS and thus they might claim that you have breached the contract first and they are being the good guys by keeping you connected despite this - would depend on too many other things, then there's still the issue of burden of proof - and if it got really ugly, the results of the forensic investigation.

      Alternatively, depending on how the traffic is redirected, there could be other things which I've not researched which are likely to be completely illegal:-
      If they're planting malware in your machine(s), there's the computer fraud and abuse act (and probably stuff like the patriot act and a bunch of other things).
      If they're targeting your account to redirect traffic through a proxy server they control, there's probably something about the adulteration of the product you're being sold, plus all sorts of other things like invasion of privacy (especially if you're not made aware first).

      I would also suggest that there's probably some good stuff in the areas concerning conspiracy - ISP is colluding with a third party without authorization from yourself or a court by supplying information that shouldn't be supplied without a warrant etc.

      There are probably hundreds of other aspects they, I and the myriad of lawyers that go through these things haven't even considered yet. If I were to take the bar, I'd certainly be attacking these idiots from every possible vector.

    44. Re:"Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people who caused failed justice did you kill recently, brave fella. You slashdot couch crowd are a joke.

    45. Re:"Hard redirect" by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhh I hurt your fragile feelings? My bad. And look who's talking, a guy too coward to post your opinion using a name. Therefore, your petty opinion is worthless.

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    46. Re: "Hard redirect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem to have categorically intimate knowledge of such things...literally.

  2. Hahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  3. Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you download stuff that the rights-holders don't want to sell you, and you end up paying $20, of which $10 goes to the copyright holder, that's pretty damn decent.

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    1. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot prove a negative.

      The thirst is real.

    2. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      how is that not an advertising slogan.. "New! Radioactive Horse Piss - The Thirst is Real! " (Pepsi makes some sick energy drinks brah!)

    3. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by sexconker · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you fucking can. Anything defined in such a way as to exclude other possible definitions can have the latter definitions be proven in the negative just as surely as the former definition can be in the positive.

      3 != 4.
      A triangle is not a square.
      Red is not blue.
      Hydrogen is not helium.
      A dog is not a cat.
      If the coin landed heads-up, the coin did not land tails-up.
      If someone was in location A at time T, they could not have been in location B at time T committing crime C.
      You are not smart.

    4. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So, if I say that I have evidence that you're using water flowing into your house to make drugs, I guess you're absolutely fine with having that water cut off until you can prove that you're not indeed using it to make drugs. If you are making drugs, I guess you're ok with your family going thirsty even though it's not their crime.

      What's this - BadAnalogyGuy posting anon, or what? Seriously ... if someone gets hit with a redirect, it's not like they still don't have other avenues to pursue. For one, they can fight the ban legally with their ISP (unless, of course, they're guilty and their ISP has the records to prove it). Then there's free wifi networks. Going to a friends. The library. Buying a data plan for your smartphone. Switching ISP.

      What it boils down to is simple. If you're not guilty, you have both the right and the duty to fight. If you are, then maybe it's time to grow up and face the music, because these programs only exist because people ARE breaking the rules in the first place. And if you don't think a particular program/show/song is worth the asking price ("how much? What a ripoff"), that's not an excuse for downloading (ripping it off).

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    5. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you can. I was once falsely (and maliciously) accused of something, and was able to prove that I was 100 km away in a different city for the extended weekend, with hundreds of witnesses. 7 witnesses was more than sufficient.

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    6. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you fucking can. Anything defined in such a way as to exclude other possible definitions can have the latter definitions be proven in the negative just as surely as the former definition can be in the positive.

      3 != 4. A triangle is not a square. Red is not blue. Hydrogen is not helium. A dog is not a cat. If the coin landed heads-up, the coin did not land tails-up. If someone was in location A at time T, they could not have been in location B at time T committing crime C. You are not smart.

      In your examples you are not actually proving a negative (that something didn't happen). You are proving that something is not possible or could not have happened.


      Possible or not possible are easy by comparison. Proving a negative means, "take this thing that really could have possibly happened, and prove that it didn't happen". A shape cannot both be a triangle and a square. A pure color at a single wavelength cannot both be red and blue. You are drastically underestimating the scope of how difficult it is to prove a negative. "This couldn't have happened because it is impossible" is actually a positive claim and as such, can be proven.

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    7. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you can. I was once falsely (and maliciously) accused of something, and was able to prove that I was 100 km away in a different city for the extended weekend, with hundreds of witnesses. 7 witnesses was more than sufficient.

      Then you're a durn sight luckier than this guy http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/justice/new-york-wrongful-conviction/ who spent 25 years in prison on a false accusation despite having evidence in his pocket that proved he was more than 100 km away at the time of the crime.

    8. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You mean as opposed to buying something they do want to sell you for $20 and the artist only gets $0.20?
      You've mixed up artist and rights holder.
      In this case you'd pay $20 and the artist gets $0.00

    9. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      If you're not guilty, you have both the right and the duty to fight.

      This is a terribly scary proposition. We've been here before, and it didn't work well the last time, either. This is why we Americans now have the Fourth Amendment, requiring due process (with various levels of proof) before interfering with someone's life.

      For one, they can fight the ban legally with their ISP (unless, of course, they're guilty and their ISP has the records to prove it). Then there's free wifi networks. Going to a friends. The library. Buying a data plan for your smartphone. Switching ISP.

      It's amusing that all of the things you mention, if used for illegal downloading, would generate "proof" at the ISP. If I used a coffee shop's free network for downloading, there would be records of that at the ISP tracing back to the coffee shop. Under your guilty-until-proven-innocent system, the coffee shop would be legally stuck behind a redirect until they pay the ransom or pay to fight. Of course, a coffee shop won't likely have a sysadmin able to prove that it was a guest (rather than an employee) that performed the downloading in question. Even if they miraculously win and get reconnected, I can just walk in next week and download again.

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    10. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      And if you don't do that, but some twats claim you are doing it or their shitty system has a false-positive, you can pay for something you didn't do or lose a vital service.

      I'm fine with them doing this. Once they have taken you to court and received a judgement in their favor against you.

    11. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about just cancel service from your ISP if this happens?
      If they see it as losing $2000 per year in subscription fees over the next 5 years, then they may tell Rightscorp to take a hike.

      Just because your connection did something doesn't mean that you or anyone else in your household did it.

    12. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by anarcobra · · Score: 1

      Police shouldn't be allowed to make deals with people to testify against other people. Often enough when you hear one of these things it's because the cops convinced someone to lie that they saw that person.

    13. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Are you sure that $10 is going to the actual copyright holder, not the multinational corporation that holds the distribution rights? If it is, then I'm going to have to start pirating content to support the artists. Because that's a much better deal than they're getting under their current contracts.

    14. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like proving that there's actually no cosmic teapot floating around in space? But then again according to Bertrand Russell, at least in philosophy, we don't really need to prove a negative because the burden of proof doesn't lie upon us.

    15. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      First, due process already interferes wit a person's life. Having to go to court to defend yourself is not something you do lightly - but if you're innocent, you should be ready to make the sacrifice in time and resources to prevent future abuse - to "pay it forward". As Thomas Paine said "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”

      All the alternatives are there - but not for something that's illegal, or, in your own words, "illegal downloading." The lesson is simple - don't do the crime unless you're ready to do the time. Someone who has been wrongfully blocked can use those alternatives legitimately and without fear while the fight for what's right.

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    16. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, due process already interferes wit a person's life.

      Yes, but it comes with all sorts of checks and balances, and a punishment that someone wants you to get is not handed out beforehand. Not having these checks in place only makes the system highly susceptible to abuse; it's absolutely hilarious how you have such unwavering faith in random companies that you spew forth vomit like "don't do the crime unless you're ready to do the time." I could point out a billion instances of corruption, negligence, etc. on the part of companies and the government to show why having checks and balances is a good thing, but it would probably be wasted on an ignoramus such as yourself.

      Stop being an authoritarian copyright troll and face the music: This is morally repugnant.

    17. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Copid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This sort of makes the statement, "You can't prove a negative," break down into, "You can't prove something that can't be proved." Well, now that's out of the way.

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    18. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by mark-t · · Score: 2

      You cannot prove a negative.

      This is false. The most obvious example from history is the Michaelson-Morley experiment,. which disproved the existence of a luminiferous aether.

      You can easily prove a negative, as long as there are enough constraints on the positive to do so.... for example, you can prove entirely by a process of elimination that there is no prime number between 31398 and 31468. On the slightly crazier side, you can also prove that there are no elephants in your freezer by stipulating that the English definition of the word "elephant" be applicable to your scope of search, etc.

      There is a difference, however, between proving something and making somebody believe it, however. You can prove things without the proof being believed, and a person can believe in thins without proof. They are entirely independent of eachother.

    19. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The old business model of "small artist gets a small percentage of each sale" has been replaced with the entirely shittier business model of "small artist gets a very small percentage of each Spotify stream". The old model had advances, which while they had their own abuses at least served as a minimum guarantee of income. You made music for the label, you got paid at least a little.

      That's opposed to nowadays, where...

        * Advances have gone away or shrunk dramatically. Why pay for an artist's early period when we can just wait for the artist to appear on YouTube and then contract him for a ridiculously low but still better than YouTube rate?
        * Album sales - the thing which made recorded music lucrative in the 90s - have since been disrupted, and digital single sales have not closed the gap. People largely buy singles to avoid paying for the other 11 tracks on the album.
        * Streaming royalties only benefit those whose songs get lots of replay - i.e., established, 20+-year-old hits made by people who were already popular when the song came out and has long since earned back their revenue.

      The thing is, all of these are the consequences of creative disruption. For the 15 years after everyone started rightfully pointing out how screwed up the music industry is, the technology industry has responded mainly by cannibalizing the profitable bits, removing any illusion of fairness in the system, using their trademark brand of "disruption" on the concept of making a profit, etc. Keep in mind that these things are not incompatible with, and in fact are enhanced by, obsessive levels of copyright protection. And, in fact, nobody, at least in public, in the technology industry, will talk about copyright reform anymore. Sure, Google releases their Free Software - sorry - Open Source projects every once in a while, but they're also one of the biggest pushers for putting DRM plugins in the browser, they ship half of Android as proprietary junk while maintaining the core as open mainly for blog cred, etc.

      I don't mean to single out Google - they are hardly the worst in this industry. My main point is more that the technology industry is too interested in maintaining the lucrative bits of copyright law; they've lost interest in reforming it and would rather just keep the bits they can use to make it harder for people to compete with them.

    20. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      remind me how many dollars sony was sued for over the walkman.

      remind me how much has apple had to pay for illegal downloaded music playing on ipods.

      the internet is a service, and with net neutrality it is not up to the isp to issue a court order to stop the infringement. they are not a court. neither is these stupid companies who harass people for using bittorrent or jigdo or ftp for crying out loud. the DMCA has clauses for takedown notices which the isp is allowed to essentially ignore unless the burden of proof is achieved. which these companies don't care about. this is shakedown money. and without net neutrality it is a forgone conclusion that to use the internet will require shakedown money for all future generations.

    21. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Presumably, because they realize that going without internet will create more of an inconvenience for yourself, discouraging you from actually doing it.

    22. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Pay $20 versus hiring a lawyer and attempting to sue a wrongful accusation. I don't think it's going to happen. This needs a class action suit to get anywhere, and in much of the country there is strong political pressure to disallow class action suits, or to mandate binding arbitration (which the poorer guy _always_ loses).

    23. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      No one even needs proof though. Just a letter from Rightscorp to the ISP is enough.

    24. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you can. I was once falsely (and maliciously) accused of something, and was able to prove that I was 100 km away in a different city for the extended weekend, with hundreds of witnesses. 7 witnesses was more than sufficient.

      Nope, you provided proof that you were somewhere else.
      The conclusion drawn from that proof is that you could not have been there at that date and time.
      Proof was still positive, even if a conclusion drawn from this proof is phrased in a negative form.

    25. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which disproved the existence of a luminiferous aether.

      It didn't. It only showed that light travels a certain distance in the same time in two directions, one parallel and one perpendicular to the movement of the Earth.

    26. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think you can define one integer to be equal to another? Think again.

    27. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Pay $20 versus hiring a lawyer and attempting to sue a wrongful accusation.

      Or hold the ISP responsible for being complicit it this extortion scheme and take a chain saw to their fiber bundle.

      --
      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
    28. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      In the case of music, it's rare for the artists to hold copyright in their own work. Usually the label holds it, and just pays them a fractional royalty.

    29. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to prove that a possible thing did not happen is to have a perfect record of everything that DID happen and show that the thing is not on it.

      We then have to create a way to implement perfect records.

    30. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like mailing orders to show up to prison for smoking pot to everyone. Statistics tell you'll get more hits than misses. How the hell are you going to prove you didn't smoke anything? You really want to go to court and pay a lot of money to tell them you didn't? I guess you would if the penalty was prison. What if they olny mailed you a fine of $50 ? PAy up and you are ok, fight it and you'll lose way more, and possibly go to prison. Still sound fair? This is the exact same.

    31. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you can. I was once falsely (and maliciously) accused of something, and was able to prove that I was 100 km away in a different city for the extended weekend, with hundreds of witnesses. 7 witnesses was more than sufficient.

      That is still a positive. On the other hand try to prove or disprove that god is female or that you never owned a certain file on your computer.

    32. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 != 4.
      A triangle is not a square.
      Red is not blue.
      Hydrogen is not helium.
      A dog is not a cat.
      If the coin landed heads-up, the coin did not land tails-up.
      If someone was in location A at time T, they could not have been in location B at time T committing crime C.

      That are some nice claims, can you prove any of them?
      I bet that a lot of smarter minds than yours have tried to prove the first one and failed.
      As for the others, a presumption of inequality is not proof.

    33. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by bingoUV · · Score: 0

      Using b(1) definition of "negative" here, negative can be proven.

      Since using one definition of negative, a negative can be proven, the statement "you cannot prove a negative" is false. If you randomly redefine negative as "that something didn't happen", probably it might be correct - depending on how precisely "something" is defined. If "something" includes time, place and manner of its happening, its not happening can be proven.

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    34. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      You cannot prove a negative.

      Sure you can. I was once falsely (and maliciously) accused of something, and was able to prove that I was 100 km away in a different city for the extended weekend, with hundreds of witnesses. 7 witnesses was more than sufficient.

      So, you proved that you were somewhere else, which is a positive.

    35. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your examples you are not actually proving a negative (that something didn't happen). You are proving that something is not possible or could not have happened.

      I did not win the lottery yesterday.
      I could have (someone else did win) but not me.

    36. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I'd fight it, and hope that enough other people would that the whole approach would be dropped, preferably with compensation, and whoever thought up the bright idea would get fired/fined/thrown in jail under RICO (US) / Gangsterism (Canada) laws.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    37. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But can't things like
      >prove entirely by a process of elimination that there is no prime number between 31398 and 31468.

      Are you not just proving a set positives?

      Can you prove that the tiny elephant god Fred does not live in my freezer? T

    38. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why we do not have the legal concept of proving someone is 'innocent', only guilty or not guilty. And not guilty is not the same as innocent.

      Can you prove you're not an utter idiot? No longer an alchoholic? Or a drug user? Or a serial copyright violator?

      That's the claim by Rightscorp, and it is absolutely a shakedown/extortion ploy and de facto tortuous interference. However, their plan is that it is less expensive to pay the $20, admit said terms are agreeable for future alleged infringements (but not guilt, of course), than to go to court and file civil charges of tortuous interference against them (and for them to file criminal copyright charges against you - where you *are* protected by presumption of innocenceIin court, but not from the financial costs to exercise that right, unfortunately).

    39. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      There is nothing special about positive and negative in formal proofs, in fact, using contraposition, they can be seen as equivalent (A->B !B->!A !A|B).

      It only matters in law due to the presumption of innocence, and even then it isn't absolute, otherwise the judicial system would be pretty much powerless. The idea is that the accusation only has to prove that you are very likely to have committed the crime. After that it's up to you to prove that you didn't do it. Defense is a negative proof.

    40. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      If you download stuff that the rights-holders don't want to sell you, and you end up paying $20, of which $10 goes to the copyright holder, that's pretty damn decent.

      Don't you mean "If RightsCorp claims you downloaded stuff, you end up paying $20"? Because that's all it would take, a claim. If I were RightsCorp and this was in place, I could claim you downloaded my copyrighted material and have your ISP block all of your access. You would then have 3 options:

      1) Cancel your ISPs account and sign up with another ISP. If there's another ISP in your area, that is. And if that other ISP isn't participating in RightsCorp's program and/or hasn't blocked you already. (In other words, chances are you could only do this once.)

      2) Lawyer up and sue to clear your name. Meanwhile, you have no Internet access and you are spending much more than $20 (in time AND money) to fight the case. Then you have to fight more to get attorney fees paid. Or maybe RightsCorp will just drop the fee after the initial lawyer letter that cost you a couple hundred to draft up.

      3) Pay the $20 and move on with your life.

      Like the RIAA before them, RightsCorp is counting on the fact that the best option for most people is option #3. They don't need to detect any actual copyright infringement. They can just make claims where ever they feel like it and let the money flow in.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    41. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Can you prove that the tiny elephant god Fred does not live in my freezer?

      No, but that is because you cannot lay out any unambiguously defined parameters for a god that would preclude such a being from living in your freezer. That is not the same thing claiming that it is impossible to prove a negative in general, however.

      >prove entirely by a process of elimination that there is no prime number between 31398 and 31468.

      Are you not just proving a set positives?

      Yes, but the proof of the set of positives affirmations (that every number in that range is composite) still constitutes a proof of the absence of the opposite notion (that there are no primes in that range). With primes vs composites, absence is especially easy to prove in any natural number range because barring the number 1 (which is neither prime nor composite), there are otherwise only two states to deal with, and the presence of one state corresponds directly to the absence of the other. You can, however, do this with many other things, as long as the definition of the terms involved has a specific enough scope that you can apply such reasoning to preclude something's existence. You can prove that using commonly accepted definitions of words, there are no elephants living in your freezer for instance, since elephants are not invisible, nor particularly tiny, not unable to survive for prolonged periods without consuming oxygen, all three requirements of which would preclude an elephant living your freezer for very long, if at all. If you start messing with the definitions of words, however, or try to make exceptional cases, then you can always contrive an example of something that is impossible to disprove the existence of. Again, that is not the same thing as concluding that it is generally impossible to disprove the existence of something.

      But you can't always even necessarily prove the existence of something either.... like you can't actually *prove* that you love someone... you can attempt to demonstrate it, or always do things that seem to show it, but in the end, none of those actions actually prove that you genuinely feel a particular way. You can, at most, potentially observe that with brain scans, your brain exhibits certain traits in matters dealing with that person which might indicate the presence of particular chemicals that may, in samples of other people, be associated with feelings of love, but we already know that no two brains are identical, so while this may constitute some evidence in its favor, in the end it is actually largely circumstantial, and quite far removed from proof. The reason this is so is again, because we often lack clearly defined ways to unambiguously describe what we are actually talking about.

    42. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're proving negatives by definition. If you redefine '3', '!=', or '4', you can get equality (for some definition thereof). Proving a negative is like trying to prove that there are no other stars like ours.

    43. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      3 != 4.
      A triangle is not a square.
      Red is not blue.
      Hydrogen is not helium.
      A dog is not a cat.
      If the coin landed heads-up, the coin did not land tails-up.
      If someone was in location A at time T, they could not have been in location B at time T committing crime C.

      That are some nice claims, can you prove any of them?
      I bet that a lot of smarter minds than yours have tried to prove the first one and failed.
      As for the others, a presumption of inequality is not proof.

      They are all proven by their definitions, which are to the exclusion of the other possibilities.

    44. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You don't think you can define one integer to be equal to another? Think again.

      Numbers are numbers. They are distinct quantum values (in any base). You cannot redefine them. That's why they're often referred to as constants.

      Go ahead. Prove 3=4.

    45. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

      There is such a thing as reasonableness. This conversation is just pedantry and nothing more.

      But while this is happening, the statement was, "You cannot prove a negative." If you can prove any negative, whether it's possible or not, then you've debunked that statement.

    46. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

      In your examples you are not actually proving a negative (that something didn't happen).

      Nonsense. If someone challenges you to prove that someone did not draw a square circle, then you can prove them wrong. "You can not prove a negative." is an absolutist statement that can easily be debunked, and already has been. The type of negative is irrelevant, as that person did not distinguish between them.

    47. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

      What a bunch of nonsense. You're playing nonsensical semantic games. By providing positive proof, you disprove the negative simultaneously. The absolutist statement "You cannot prove a negative." did not distinguish between types of negatives and is therefore trivially debunked. Redefining "negative" will not help you.

    48. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      So, if I say that I have evidence that you're using water flowing into your house to make drugs, I guess you're absolutely fine with having that water cut off until you can prove that you're not indeed using it to make drugs. If you are making drugs, I guess you're ok with your family going thirsty even though it's not their crime.

      That's why Congress stopped all the "Forfeiture" stuff that didn't require anything more than a "Confidential Informant" pointing a finger.

      Now, Forfeiture requires a CONVICTION.

      That's why you stopped hearing about it allofasudden about a decade and a half ago. Before that, there were even software packages that showed how Police Departments could Fund themselves through "Forfeiture".

      That really stemmed the tide of "[Governmental Entity] v. $50,000, a Corvette, and 2915 Any Street" cases...

    49. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Michelson-Morley didn't disprove the existence of the ether. It was an unexpected experimental result, and had a lot to do with the development and acceptance of Special Relativity, but there were ways to fix the ether theory.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    50. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      The problem with all these arguments is that due process is NOT being violated. Due process only applies to court procedings and elsewhere where it has been mandated by legislature. A good example of something that is morally wrong but does not violate due process is firing for any or no reason in "at-will" states.

      Pointing out the facts is not being a "copyright troll." And if you are guilty, the $20 fee is a lot better than the $150,000 per song that copyright law allows. And by implementing this, ISPs are no longer at risk of being sued for contributory infringement, so their exposure to humongous fines that would necessitate jacking rates up through the roof is reduced.

      Remember - without copyright law, even the GPL would be unenforceable. Don't be so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    51. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with all these arguments is that due process is NOT being violated.

      The problem with your argument is that due process is not being applied *at all*. What people are saying is that there *should be* due process, and the above post mentions tons of good reasons why.

      Remember - without copyright law, even the GPL would be unenforceable.

      Why assume everyone here agrees with the GPL?

      Besides that, that's a very strange conclusion to reach. Rejecting draconian copyright enforcement methods != rejecting copyright completely.

    52. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      You asked how much apple has to pay for illegal downloaded music playing on iPods.

      Here's your answer

      Currently, private copy royalties are generated in the US by the sale of "blank CDs and personal audio devices, media centers, satellite radio devices, and car audio systems that have recording capabilities

      That includes iPods. In other parts of the world, the list is more extensive, and the levies much higher. So, if we could eliminate most piracy, the argument for the need of the levy would be gone, and honest people would be able to buy their stuff cheaper.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    53. Re:Amost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

      That's like saying, "If we could eliminate crime, there'd be no need for cops to bust into people's houses at random looking for criminals!" No, even if that works, it's completely unjust. Likewise, the people at fault for these draconian solutions are the people implementing the draconian solutions. You can't blame it on "piracy" (copyright infringement) as they didn't implement it. Reject both 'solutions,' as they are immoral.

    54. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you prove to me that yesterday there was not a tiny elephant in your freezer?

      Sure, it's extremely unlikely that there was, but can you prove it?

    55. Re: Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm just going to steer off this discussion since it's not fruitful to argue about semantics and nature of mathematical objects with someone who only knows high-school math and thinks that's where it ends.

  4. As long as... by mad-seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they can be sued out of existence for every mistake they make, I'm cool with it.

    1. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      they can be sued out of existence for every mistake they make, I'm cool with it.

      They should not be sued out of existence. The key people involved need to spend a decade or two in a federal prison. That is the only way to make these copyright trolls understand that crime doesn't pay.

    2. Re:As long as... by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      You can sue for damages. Please provide documentation of monetary damages resulting from being disconnected from the internet.

    3. Re:As long as... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      You can sue for damages. Please provide documentation of monetary damages resulting from being disconnected from the internet.

      Actually, I'm contracted with my ISP to provide Internet access. Could Rightscorp be sued for tortuous interference with a business relationship?

    4. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work from home. They will have to compensate me my pay, reputation loss and for the stress they caused.

    5. Re:As long as... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You can't sue anyone if the ISP is following the law. That would be a clause in the contract.
      All Rightscorp need to do is lobby hard enough.

    6. Re:As long as... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      The difference is, you can't do much to force them to pay up, while they can cut off your internet access (and your livelihood) to get *you* to pay up.

    7. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That contract isn't there to protect YOU. It is there to protect your ISP's interests. If it doesn't already say that they don't have to actually provide service, it will at least say that they can change the contract at any time upon giving you written notice, so they can add that feature in when they need it.

    8. Re:As long as... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I run my own business from home where the internet is critical. I literally have to stop working if it goes offline. Now I have redundant internet connections because of that but if they turned those off it would be very easy for me to prove substantial losses.

    9. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then I sue them for damages. Always can find a lawyer that does that sort of thing. Thing is here if they piss the wrong person off they will pay and big. Most will just pay and move on. But some out there will nail them.

    10. Re:As long as... by Kythe · · Score: 1

      I think you need to re-read the post above yours.

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      Kythe
    11. Re:As long as... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      what crime? copyright infringement doesn't kill or maim anyone, and the owner still has their words or pictures after a copy made

      Yes, they still have their words or pictures, but after an unauthorized copy is made, what they do *NOT* have is the exclusivity to control who may make copies that is supposed to be intrinsically what copyright is about.

      Whether one believes that anyone should or should not have such exclusivity is entirely moot... it is something that is supposed to be offered by holding a copyright, and when somebody infringes on copyright, some portion of that exclusivity is permanently compromised.

    12. Re:As long as... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's why it needs to be a class action suit.

    13. Re:As long as... by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      The difference is, you can't do much to force them to pay up, while they can cut off your internet access (and your livelihood) to get *you* to pay up.

      Once you have a judgement against them you can turn the process over to a collection agency for a portion of the proceeds. Use the court to file a lien against their assets, equipment, etc. There's all kinds of fun you can have with this if you wish.

      --
      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
    14. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading is hard!

    15. Re:As long as... by Nethead · · Score: 2

      Which is why I'm glad my ISP is run by the Tulalip Tribes. See how far you get sending lawyers after them!

      --
      -- I have a private email server in my basement.
    16. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you could decide that because of Rightscorps meddling you need to use a different more expensive ISP and then sue them for the difference.
      They have the means to fight you in court for a couple of decades so you will never see that money.

    17. Re:As long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Base rate of $80/hr. Assume standard 40 hour week.

      $80 * 40 hrs * x weeks disconnected = Pay me my fucking damages you cocksuckers.

    18. Re:As long as... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see this happen to them instead.

    19. Re:As long as... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Whether one believes that anyone should or should not have such exclusivity is entirely moot...

      On the contrary, that is the entire point. If they don't have a natural right to exclusivity then their rights have not been infringed and no crime has occurred. Punishing someone for an action which did not violate anyone's natural rights, on the other hand, would be a crime.

      Exclusivity isn't a natural right; it's a side-effect of scarcity. Demanding exclusivity where there is no natural scarcity makes a mockery of property rights.

      --
      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
    20. Re:As long as... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Your claim that if a right is not natural then it does not deserve to be respected is certainly a valid opinion, but it is still only a subjective viewpoint, The federal mint has no "natural" right of exclusivity to print legally valid currency, but that exclusivity is still recognized by law.

    21. Re:As long as... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You know, I've got a whole lot of stuff around that was copyrighted by other people, and which I have acquired legitimately. At this point, the original copyright holders do not have the exclusivity to control what copies are made, since there's nothing actually stopping me. They do have the exclusivity to control what legal copies are made, but that's true no matter what illegal copies are made.

      I'm not arguing for copyright violation, but the copyright holder loses nothing directly when it happens.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  5. Infingers? by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 1

    none of my fingers are going to pay up.

    1. Re:Infingers? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      none of my fingers are going to pay up.

      Oh, so you are going to NOT give them the middle finger then?

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    2. Re:Infingers? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The infingers fatfingered it

    3. Re:Infingers? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Apparently they think it's ok to put your fingers in, so long as you pay.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    4. Re:Infingers? by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 1

      No, but I'm willing to put my third leg straight into their ear. Or maybe their eye, I haven't decided.

      --
      Buck Feta. You know what to do.
    5. Re:Infingers? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      none of my fingers are going to pay up.

      I was just wondering if RightsCorp was now run by the Yakuza, and were extracting payment in fingers.

  6. Tor by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    It's what's for dinner.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Tor by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Can you run a P2P connection through Tor with any efficiency?

    2. Re:Tor by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      If the ISP is redirecting every port coming from your IP, it doesn't matter what protocol you use. Instead of getting the "hotel" like page, you get nothing.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    3. Re:Tor by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      I think he's saying use Tor to avoid being caught in the first place. Of course there's nothing stopping Rightscorp from just accusing people at random, since there's absolutely no recourse for the falsely accused but to pay up or lose your Internet connection.

    4. Re:Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's what I2P is for.

    5. Re:Tor by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Depends on how they do this. The cheap way is to just catch HTTP and HTTPS at some router someplace then do some filtering on IP addresses. Problem for the ISP is that now they have to actually THINK about their network design, because it has to work at some point, then redirect at others.

      For me, this would be loads of fun to bypass. About all I'd have to do is change my MAC address and restart the router and presto, I am somebody else. I even managed to run TWO independent connections from time to time (both getting my full bandwidth). I didn't do that on purpose, it just happened once when I plugged in a new router to my switch network. I think the ISP figured it out before I did and killed one, but it was a day or so, and swapping the MAC got it back while I transitioned everything over.

      I don't think ISP's would be very good at doing this, but it doesn't matter to me... At least until I get hit for something I never do..

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    6. Re:Tor by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hey, thanks for that, Mr AC. I didn't know about I2P.

      https://thetinhat.com/tutorial...

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    7. Re:Tor by sexconker · · Score: 2

      If the ISP is redirecting every port coming from your IP, it doesn't matter what protocol you use. Instead of getting the "hotel" like page, you get nothing.

      If the ISP is redirecting/blocking everything, there will be hell (and a lot of its lawyers) to pay the moment someone with VOIP tries to dial 911 after they were blocked.

      If data of any form can get out of the pipe to a host not controlled by the ISP, then the blocking can be circumvented.

    8. Re:Tor by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 2

      I'm sure they wouldn't just accuse people at random. They'd do market research and select targets that meet a profile. Something like middle class households with parents that aren't particularly tech savvy but with teenage kids that might be, all of which use decent amounts of data. All they'd have to do is convince the parents that the kids downloaded something that could illegal or hint to the fathers that it might be the porn their wife doesn't know about. And boom $20 faster than you can blink.

    9. Re:Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Depends on how they do this. The cheap way is to just catch HTTP and HTTPS at some router someplace then do some filtering on IP addresses. Problem for the ISP is that now they have to actually THINK about their network design, because it has to work at some point, then redirect at others.

      For me, this would be loads of fun to bypass. About all I'd have to do is change my MAC address and restart the router and presto, I am somebody else. I even managed to run TWO independent connections from time to time (both getting my full bandwidth). I didn't do that on purpose, it just happened once when I plugged in a new router to my switch network. I think the ISP figured it out before I did and killed one, but it was a day or so, and swapping the MAC got it back while I transitioned everything over.

      I don't think ISP's would be very good at doing this, but it doesn't matter to me... At least until I get hit for something I never do..

      They can already decide based on their switch's port and it is pretty common to decide who you are based on the port you come in. Allowing the same person twice on the same incoming port is something most don't expect and a different matter.

    10. Re:Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's say they redirect all of your HTTP/HTTPS traffic. What if you start sending loads of traffic (DoS levels) to some IPs which you control. Could you be sued? You are using your connection to send data to somewhere that is designed to accept said traffic. If the ISP decides to hijack said traffic and it ends up being too much traffic for their servers to handle, wouldn't that be their own damn fault?

    11. Re:Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pot of honey. Want some? It's government honey.

    12. Re:Tor by z0rprim3 · · Score: 1

      Well that's good to hear. I use a web based softphone to connect to a FreeSWITCH instance. I sure do hope they block me and I have an "accident".

  7. nuisance fee by bored_engineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The trouble is, that this is just a nuisance fee. I can pay $20 out-of-pocket to make a bogus "piracy claim" go away. I'm sure, though, that they'll include contractual language asserting my guilt, even though I've never downloaded from The Pirate Bay or its ilk. Once they've confirmed that I'm willing to pay, how many times will they come back? The article mentioned settling accounts exceeding $300 for multiple "infringements."

    Also, how are they going to convince my ISP, with whom I have both an ongoing relationship and competitive alternatives, to do this?

    1. Re:nuisance fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have competitive ISP alternatives? Must be nice! I'm still waiting on a single competitive ISP option.

    2. Re:nuisance fee by bored_engineer · · Score: 2

      "with whom" -->"with which"

    3. Re:nuisance fee by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      They offer a kickback to the ISP for doing a good job, and everyone is happy!

    4. Re:nuisance fee by mcl630 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the article states, it's very rarely only $20... they're charging $20 per song. And yes, they expect you to admit guilt along with the payment.

    5. Re:nuisance fee by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once they've confirmed that I'm willing to pay, how many times will they come back?

      You know the answer to that... once you've paid the Danegeld, you'll never get rid of the Dane.

    6. Re:nuisance fee by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      They are going tp say they will sue them if they don't take steps to prevent you from pirating their material. That is what they did to get the 3 strikes process started.

      So The ISP has a choice of caving to their demands and getting a kickback or fight a costly battle that they may or may not win.

    7. Re:nuisance fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've never downloaded from there, then you won't be caught. The false positives are much less frequent than slashdot commenters would have you believe. We are all saints around here. Neverhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/18/2259202/rightscorps-new-plan-hijack-browsers-until-infingers-pay-up?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed# done anything the slightest bit wrong.

    8. Re:nuisance fee by sjames · · Score: 2

      Worse, unless they agree in writing that the $20 settles the matter in full, they'll then sue you and use your payment as an admission of guilt (true or not).

    9. Re:nuisance fee by sjames · · Score: 1

      The false positives are much less frequent than slashdot commenters would have you believe.

      But presumably you're not claiming zero false positives, right? If it's non-zero then some innocent people will inevitably get hit up for the fine.

    10. Re:nuisance fee by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      I'd rather pay this "fee" with a bullet in the head of the lawyer making the charging and send him back to their office ... Just the head.

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    11. Re:nuisance fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a dick.

    12. Re:nuisance fee by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I would offer them the allegation that they are just randomly charging these fees without any substantiation whatsoever - that it is simple extortion for what is very nearly an essential service, and even if the program itself to suspend copyright infringes is legitimate, they are also arbitrarily targeting whomever they wish, knowing that the fees are small enough that most will pay just to make the problem go away, effectively charging more for the service than what the contract is for. Such activities are highly illegal, and I would report them to the police for doing so.

    13. Re:nuisance fee by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      So The ISP has a choice of caving to their demands and getting a kickback or fight a costly battle that they may or may not win.

      Or, the ISPs can support being re-classified as "common carriers" by the FCC and then the DMCA requirement goes away, so Rightscorp wouldn't have any leverage of a lawsuit.

    14. Re:nuisance fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *ahem*

      Jawohl mein Herr.

      You were saying? Something about this sort of crap being far less likely to fly in the Fatherland perhaps?

  8. CFAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These Rightscorp asshats should be prosecuted under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and serve multiple-lifetime prison sentences each.

    1. Re:CFAA by mcl630 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Extortion laws ought to apply here as well.

    2. Re:CFAA by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Extortion laws ought to apply here as well.

      Right, and now. IANAL, but it sounds to me like this already counts as criminal conspiracy.

    3. Re:CFAA by suutar · · Score: 1

      racketeering?

    4. Re:CFAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nah. If peoples internet gets disconnected because of these asshats, someone might get a bullet in the head. Most likely the upper C-Level team of said "Rightscorp". Extortion doesn't pay, either. Hopefully whomever the gunman might be, they'll make sure to stop in and pay a visit to the legal team that represents Rightscorp to be sure to get all the vermin.

      I'd gladly pay $25 dollars (a premium of $5 over the Rightscorp extortion fee per song) to play whack-a-mole at their corporate headquarters for every skull they cave in :-)

    5. Re:CFAA by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What if half of Slashdot filed with the FBI to investigate RightsCorp for racketeering?

    6. Re:CFAA by powerlord · · Score: 1

      I think we'd all be happy if they charged the company's heads with RICO violations.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

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  9. Amost sounds like a good deal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, if I say that I have evidence that you're using water flowing into your house to make drugs, I guess you're absolutely fine with having that water cut off until you can prove that you're not indeed using it to make drugs. If you are making drugs, I guess you're ok with your family going thirsty even though it's not their crime.

  10. SMH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cryptolocker malware creators should sue Rightscorp for stealing their idea.

  11. ISPs becoming liable? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems to me that any ISP that redirects browser HTTP requests becomes liable to suit from the customers - for substantially more than $20.

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    1. Re:ISPs becoming liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Wouldn't this negate ISP's safe harbor protections?

    2. Re:ISPs becoming liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think most ISPs are already doing it. Try entering a non-existent domain. You'll be directed to a server that has search and advertising. Your ISP is making money off this.

    3. Re:ISPs becoming liable? by jargonburn · · Score: 1

      most ISPs are already doing it. Try entering a non-existent domain. You'll be directed to a server that has search and advertising.

      Yes, but that's not a "hard redirect". By default, your internet connection relies on the DNS servers indicated in your ISP's provisioning.
      You request a webserver's address, the DNS server returns a result. If that server doesn't exist (bad address or typo), the DNS should return a message to that effect. They simply modify the behavior to return their own custom search/astro-turf page. I find this behavior distasteful, but you can always change your DNS configuration to point to a better-behaved server. Google's public DNS has treated me pretty well.

      But I stray from the point; with this hard-redirect, they are FORCING you, not just tricking your computer.

    4. Re:ISPs becoming liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when Comcast started doing that. It's infuriating and should be illegal. I can't recall off-hand if they still do it in my area or if I just switched my DNS servers to Google's/MIT's.

  12. wouldn't that be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The Computer Misuse Act (1990) was introduced to help deal with the problems caused by the misuse of computers and communication systems, especially that of âhacking' and âunauthorised access.' The Act introduced three offences; it is illegal for any unauthorised person to access programs or data, the unauthorised modification of that data, and having unauthorised access with further criminal intent."

    Seems clearly within the description of this law.

    1. Re:wouldn't that be... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Only applies to plebes. As a corporation with serious sounding people in positions like CEO, and names like "Mr. Steele" they are in fact exempt. Parasites that they are.

    2. Re:wouldn't that be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only applies to plebes. As a corporation with serious sounding people in positions like CEO, and names like "Mr. Steele" they are in fact exempt. Parasites that they are.

      That didn't help the Pretenda Law people, they had a Steele at the helm and they still were forced out of business by the courts over their fraudulent and illegal activities.

    3. Re:wouldn't that be... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      How many of them ended up in prison?

    4. Re:wouldn't that be... by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Mr. Steele is my porn name. Am I exempt?

    5. Re:wouldn't that be... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      That didn't help the Pretenda Law people, they had a Steele at the helm and they still were forced out of business by the courts over their fraudulent and illegal activities.

      So, John Steele's brother Robert Steele?

  13. Why would I pay my ISP for service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If I can't use it?

    1. Re:Why would I pay my ISP for service? by laughingskeptic · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Not only will affected people switch providers, but this will cause participating ISPs to become viewed as unreliable. Unreliable internet has become unacceptable. This may also drive more apartment and condo complexes into the hands of providers like Grande which simply provide bandwidth to the whole building. Its a cheaper solution, but the hassle factor has limited penetration of these types of services. The ISPs would be greatly upping their hassle factor and reducing their competitiveness by participating in this Rightscorp scheme.

    2. Re:Why would I pay my ISP for service? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Not only will affected people switch providers, but this will cause participating ISPs to become viewed as unreliable. Unreliable internet has become unacceptable.

      A free market for ISPs, where people could pick an ISP with the terms they like, would be fantastic. Most people live in an area where you have one, perhaps two broadband providers. I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I have a few more ISPs available, and I chose one which will never let RightsCorp in the door, but I have no allusions that my situation is typical.

  14. Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A top-notch, full-speed, multi-country VPN service can be had for $40/year, with $20/year deals available if you shop around a bit.

    1. Re:Useful Tip by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      It would work by you using the VPN service as soon as your ISP installs the blocking plan, thus avoid ever being caught by it.

    2. Re:Useful Tip by redback · · Score: 2

      dont close the door after the horse has bolted.

      you use the vpn BEFORE so you dont get caught.

    3. Re:Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That won't stop the maffiaa from claiming your IP was involved in downloading their songs.

    4. Re:Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, when the ISP has blocked all your ports, how do you establish a VPN connection?

      You ever try to get a VPN up and running in a hotel? Some places have logic that even after you hit the "i accept" page they still wont let you establish a VPN.

      Let me try again to be more clear:

      If the ISP has blocked all your traffic, how do you contact your "VPN provider"?

    5. Re:Useful Tip by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Again, when the ISP has blocked all your ports, how do you establish a VPN connection?

      Again, you dolt, the suggestion is to use VPN before they block your ports.

    6. Re:Useful Tip by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      you do it BEFORE they block all your traffic.

    7. Re:Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, once the carrier-level NAT takes over, websites will either be forced to stop doing that kind of thing, or risk cutting off a large portion of their user base.

    8. Re:Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would literally catapult the demand for IPv6 into orbit. Just what we need in all seriousness as IPv4 is on its last legs already.

    9. Re:Useful Tip by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I've been happy with this one: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/

      The claim to not log anything.

  15. Thats a mighty fine internet connection you've got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be a SHAME if something happened to it..........

  16. interference with communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a crime on most countries... Good luck.

    1. Re:interference with communication by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Only if they have common carrier status... ISP's do not. At least in the USA..

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    2. Re:interference with communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea well ,that's just stupid. If ISPs are not common carriers what are they then? Shouldn't the ISP be responsible if they offer the illegal content? Why or how should their customer know what's illegal and what isn't? If the ISP is a common carrier they just carry the bits, without knowing what's inside, and without any legal responsibility for the content. If they are not, they should be responsible for the content.

      What kind of deal is "we give you access to this content, but beware, some of it is illegal!" ?

  17. Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Explain how that would work when the ISP has blocked all your access? did you think they would block 80 and leave VPN open allowing this? Somewhat defeats the point doesn't it?

  18. Now what could go wrong? by mikeiver1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So just how would one handle the issue of not ever having ever downloaded any copyrighted content and still having gotten locked out wrongly? Oh yah, just pay the $20.00 fee and then challenge it later to get reimbursed....SURE! This friends is the business model of the future of entertainment. Grab your ankles and say "thank you sir, may I have another?"

    1. Re:Now what could go wrong? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everyone who has used the Internet has downloaded copyrighted content. You've done so just now, in fact -- the very text you're currently reading is copyrighted (by me).

      The issue is whether you have not been authorized to download the copyrighted content, and that's what should require a strong burden of proof on the part of the copyright holder.

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    2. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh for fucks sake, you KNEW what he meant by the post.

    3. Re:Now what could go wrong? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you didn't sign it over to dice when you posted here? No, I am not willing to go wade through the Slashdot TOS to check right now.

    4. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Hey if I signed over any comment so it becomes their property, then I can't wait to see and what happens when someone posts something that falls under libel laws.

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    5. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      Are you sure you didn't sign it over to dice when you posted here? No, I am not willing to go wade through the Slashdot TOS to check right now.

      No need. Just read the bottom of the page.

      Comments owned by the poster.

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    6. Re:Now what could go wrong? by m00j · · Score: 1

      Just above the comment section it says:
      "The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way."

      So I guess you own it!

    7. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Point still stands. Pretty much everyone has downloaded at least some photos or images whose creator did not get paid and did not give permission to use them. People don't even think about this. Web designers routinely just steal material off the internet and use it on their sites without permission. You visit the site, you downloaded the illegal gaphics. If you don't think images are copyrighted also feel free to substitute "background music" for graphics.

      This is bs. Pure bs. Any ISP cutting me off would see the last dime of my money at the same instant. They offer the connectivity, they don't have to police me. If someone wants to sue me please contact me, not my ISP in an effort to blackmail me into paying some ridiculous fee.

    8. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! In true slashdot spirit, we now also do not read the fine print at the bottom of every slashdot page. Look entirely down the page. There you can find:

      Trademarks property of their respective owners. Comments owned by the poster. Copyright © 2014 Dice. All Rights Reserved. Slashdot is a Dice Holdings, Inc. service.

    9. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that I never agreed to handing over the rights of my comment to them, claiming ownership to my comment would be copyright infringement by itself.

    10. Re:Now what could go wrong? by ruir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the ISP point of view, why should I work for free for this bastards, and damage the relationship with my customers?

    11. Re:Now what could go wrong? by fractoid · · Score: 2

      and that's what should require a strong burden of proof on the part of the copyright holder.

      Not any more! That's kind of the point of these pushes to alter the way copyrights are enforced online: They want to shift the burden of proof from the copyright holder to the alleged infringer.

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    12. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Cenan · · Score: 1

      Because your relationship with the customer can't get any worse either way? By being "compliant" you at least still have a chance to gouge Rightscorp for some "administration fees" or some such nonsense.

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    13. Re:Now what could go wrong? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I remember recently an ISP being told by the gov he could not charge whatever was the fee to recoup the costs of some actions he was required to do. Cannot remember if it was copyright related or requests from law enforcement, although I am inclined to the later. Could not find the link.

    14. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Oh for fucks sake, you KNEW what he meant by the post.

      Of course he knew what the OP meant, but I have to side with mrchaotica and I'll tell you why. A large part of the population thinks that copyrights are something that only big companies own. When people say "it's illegal to download copyrighted content" they perpetuate that myth. Nearly everything I download in a given day is copyrighted, it's just that the author has given permission for it to be downloaded. All the posts on /. are a great example.

      So the issue is about whether it's unauthorized sharing, not whether it's copyrighted. I make that distinction simply because I don't want to help lay the groundwork for a fundamental change in copyright law at some point.

    15. Re:Now what could go wrong? by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      From the ISP point of view, how much of a percentage do I get from this extortion racket, and how do I write my advertising to focus my customers' irritation on Rightscorp so they don't realize we're collaborating?

    16. Re:Now what could go wrong? by GNious · · Score: 1

      This is written, literally, RIGHT BETWEEN THE SUMMARY AND THE COMMENT SECTION:

      The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.

    17. Re:Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are failing to realize that your ISP, unless you have google fiber, likely owns a large share of Rightscorp. Remember that Comcast, Time Warner, and the others are also extremely large copyright holders.

      I tried rather hard to find out for sure who does own large shares of it but I cannot find any information about it anywhere.

  19. This is actually called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Walled Garden.

    I mean, at least call it what it is. It's a Pay Walled Garden based on how bad you are.

  20. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does anyone know who owns the copyright to this? I think we need to shut off someone's access to the cosmonaut.

  21. One word for these parasitic scum : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sneakernet.

    Try and stop that, you pathetic bloodsucking turds.

    I walk around with a 128GB flash drive full of all kinds of goodness,
    and I charge nothing and I share it ALL. Take that and shove it up
    your cunt, Rightscorp.

    1. Re:One word for these parasitic scum : by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I go further: I own a piratebox that occasionally makes an appearance in a public place.

  22. Reverse hack the B@$ta@rd$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous needs to reverse hack these B@$ta@rd$! enough of this kind of cr@pola!

  23. Only two ways will work to fight this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first way is to guillotine all the executives of Rightscorp. This is messy, they probably can take counter-measures in terms of security, and it's probably technically illegal (although you could mount a plausible defense against murder charges by arguing that the execs are not, in fact, human beings). Plus, we're in general a lazy lot, so that option is probably not feasible.

    The second way is to identify all companies and artists, of all media, who use Rightscorp services, and stop buying their shit. Don't buy their DVDs, don't buy their Blu-Rays, don't buy their CDs, don't buy their streaming videos, don't buy their downloaded mp3s, don't go to their movies, don't go to their concerts. Don't even torrent their shit either! Carve them out of your life, in all ways, completely.

    Deny them the two things they need to survive: money and attention.

    If enough people would do this, Rightscorp would have no clients (or at least, no paying clients). But not enough people will do this. We never do.

  24. Unconstitutinal by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the USofA, there's a little thing known as "the presumption of innocence," meaning that the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. This does the exact opposite by assuming that anybody who's accused must be guilty and penalizing them without allowing them to present a defense. No judge would ever be stupid enough to rule in favor of Rightscorp, making the idea DOA at best, even if they don't get sued into bankruptcy the first time they try to enforce it.

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    1. Re:Unconstitutinal by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      Can't you get anything related to "intellectual property" passed in East Texas?

    2. Re: Unconstitutinal by AveryRegier · · Score: 2

      For the same reason speed cameras with automated fines should be unconstitutional too, but we still have them.

    3. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Didn't you get the memo? The constitution only applies to the government, everyone else is permitted to do whatever they please to to. Don't like it? Quit breathing. -- Libertarians

    4. Re:Unconstitutinal by sixoh1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While its nice to think that the Constitution prevents this kind of thing, it is generally ONLY applicable to criminal defense. You can still be indicted, arrested and jailed awaiting trial, and until you enter the courtroom this presumption of innocence doesn't event matter. You only get the benefit from this Constitutional right _AFTER_ you have been through all of the previous steps, so don't expect to pull out your laminated copy of the Bill of Rights as a shield.

      In a civil matters, particularly a trial, you are not entitled to automatic presumption of innocence as a defense, and not even a tiny amount of deference is due to you in the exercise and enforcement of a contract you might have with your ISP.

      About the only legal protection an individual might have is a class-action lawsuit alleging fraud against the ISP, and that's something that takes years to work its way up to the pain threshold of settlement or trial.

    5. Re:Unconstitutinal by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correct in concept, wrong in practice. Today you are guilty first, and parallel construction will be used to ensure guilt if someone want's you that way. Unless of course you have a whole lot of money, in which case you will never see charges let alone a trial.

      I hope you are right that it never happens, but in practice how long was that porn company extorting money from people? Nobody from the company went to jail for extortion to my knowledge, they were just told by a judge to stop. I'm not going to dig past a summary, you can surely do more if you like.

      The point is that you should never say never, especially with the high level of corruption we are seeing in the USA. It may be implemented just to test the waters, I personally would not be shocked.

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    6. Re: Unconstitutinal by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      From what I have heard all you have to do is claim it wasn't you driving your car and that you don't know who it was. I haven't tried it. I was told that works though.

    7. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the presumption of innocence"?
      You've got to be kidding. Ever since the Patriot Act, even the innocent are suspects. The USofA has become France. France is where the accused is assumed to be guilty and must prove herself not-guilty/innocent.
      Need proof? Just ask a cop or, if you've the money, a lawyer.

    8. Re:Unconstitutinal by jythie · · Score: 1

      That is one of the downsides of having a 'DIY justice' civil suit oriented legal system. At no point in this process is criminal law brought in, at no point is guilt even on the radar. It is purely agreements between companies and the crippling cost of engaging with the legal system. One can not even get a public defender if one can not afford to defend themselves.

    9. Re: Unconstitutinal by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      At least in Canada the reasoning is that the ticket is issued against the car and not the driver. That's why there are no points issued against the driver when a ticket is issued via a red light camera.

    10. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the state. Many states don't allow them because of the constitutional questions.

    11. Re:Unconstitutinal by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That's all very well and good, except that copyright infringement actually *IS* really against the law. So why shouldn't a presumption of innocence exist?

    12. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuckle, for those that give Texas a lot of grief, the banning of automated ticketing systems ( eg unattended radar with cameras ) is one the State actually got right.

      They are illegal to use in the State of Texas :)

    13. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Because it's a civil and not criminal matter?

    14. Re:Unconstitutinal by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That only applies to the legal system. Rightscorp is bypassing the legal system and instead getting the ISPs to do the work of law enforcement, and with no analogue to the court system. Basically there are three private parties, Rightscorp, the ISP, and the ISP's customer, and any of the three is legally allowed to presume the other two parties are guilty bastards without proof. Also any of the three are able to sue if they feel unfairly treated if they think some laws are being broken, and they can countersue if anyone sues them, if they'd rather spend that kind of money doing so.

    15. Re:Unconstitutinal by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Actually, willful infringement is definitely criminal. Far and away the clearest standard for showing willful infringement is commercial gain, but there are a handful of others that do not require any commercial gain at all.

    16. Re:Unconstitutinal by suutar · · Score: 2

      I think he meant that because Rightscorp isn't a government, they cannot initiate criminal proceedings, just civil proceedings, and under civil proceedings, there's no presumption of innocence or need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, just "preponderance of evidence". If the FBI got into it, then presumption of innocence would come into play. But at the scale Rightscorp likes to try to play, the FBI doesn't want to deal (too many folks, too little money involved).

      So essentially, it's highly likely that if Rightscorp is taking an interest in you and a court gets involved, it's a civil case and presumption of innocence is not applicable.

    17. Re: Unconstitutinal by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Has the argument been made that the car doesn't have agency, and therefore can't be held responsible for its actions?

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    18. Re:Unconstitutinal by mark-t · · Score: 2

      If Rightscorp took an interest in me and my ISP did their "hard-redirect", I would offer the allegation that Rightscorp are just randomly charging anyone that they think will pay money to make a problem go away that was never even a real thing. Such activities are illegal, and I would report their activities to the police, turning the matter into entirely legal proceedings.

    19. Re: Unconstitutinal by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      No, that may not work. One way a city and their red light camera operating partner has devised to get around those pesky legal requirements that you get to confront your accuser and that they have to prove you were driving is to change the offense from a moving violation to a mere violation of a city ordinance. Doesn't matter who was driving, the owner gets punished regardless. It's similar to being penalized for not mowing your lawn. Your insurance rates do not go up, you don't get a strike on your driving record.

      Making the crime into a violation of a city ordinance makes it harder for them to collect, as it's not as serious. An easy way to deal with an accusation is to refuse to pay. But they've also worked out ways to get you if you try that. Even though it's not a moving violation, somehow, you can't renew your driver's license until you've paid the fine. They can also call on a debt collection agency who will happliy trash your credit rating.

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    20. Re: Unconstitutinal by bzipitidoo · · Score: 0

      Funny. I live in Texas. Cities use red light cameras. From Plano, I've received a, well, not exactly a ticket, but a notice that the car violated a city ordinance for running a red light, and the owner must pay a $75 fine.

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    21. Re:Unconstitutinal by countach · · Score: 2

      Yes, the real problem is not so much presumption of innocence, but rather lack of due process.

    22. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Making the crime into a violation of a city ordinance makes it harder for them to collect, as it's not as serious. An easy way to deal with an accusation is to refuse to pay. But they've also worked out ways to get you if you try that. Even though it's not a moving violation, somehow, you can't renew your driver's license until you've paid the fine. They can also call on a debt collection agency who will happliy trash your credit rating.

      1) If it's a city ordinance and it violates the state or federal constitution, it's invalid and enforcing it can be considered a criminal violation of my rights. Take them to federal court. Don't let it go.
      2) You renew your driver's license with the state. If the city ordinance violates the state constitution (or the federal one that the state government derives its powers from), the state has to ignore it and let you renew anyway. Take them to federal court. Don't let it go.
      3) If they call a debt collection agency, call all three credit bureaus and put a fraud block on your credit history, mentioning by name the municipality that is trying to "shake you down" and their stooge credit agency that called you. Then take them both to federal court. Don't let it go.

      Do you see a theme here? Federal Pound Me In The Ass Court is exactly where they don't want you to take that case. Do it anyway. Thrust!

    23. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red light camera's I'm fine with. Speed enforcement cameras, absolutely not. There are differences:

      Red light cameras:
      - Fixed positions
      - Signs clearly indicating enforcement
      - You shouldn't try to rush a red light you moron. All you need is to get T-boned and you're dead. These should be a requirement at any rail crossing as well.

      Speed enforcement cameras:
      - Random "profitable" locations picked
      - No warning unless you see a van parked on the side of the road. Often the damn van is impeding traffic anyway by forcing drivers to drive away from the shoulder, which means they aren't checking their speed, they are checking the clearance.
      - Even school zone "enforcement" with this method is problematic as there are school zones that are also on high ways, so the speed zone is only enforced during certain hours.

      Like I get why certain enforcement is better than others and why certain jurisdictions choose to use them, but "profit" over safety should not be one of them. In a similar line of thinking, traffic cops should be stationed in areas that are prone to accidents, because as a matter of safety they can call in fire or ambulance services if something major happens, instead of waiting for a passerby to call 911.

    24. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is this 'intellectual property' you're talking about? And if it is property, why can't you just lock it up inside a fence?

    25. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The owners, however, have agency over the key and, unless the vehicle was reported stolen, they should be responsible for the consequences of lending it to someone even if they choose to hide him/her.

    26. Re: Unconstitutinal by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Atleast speed cameras are regulated and operated by a government agency.
      This is just a corporation randomly pointing it's finger at somebody and saying "This week, YOU must give us $20. Why? Well, because you want your internet back, don't you?".

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    27. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the USofA, there's a little thing known as "the presumption of innocence," meaning that the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.

      I think you have misunderstood. What we have is "the presumption of the presumption of innocence", the idea that you can't just be thrown in jail or killed by the cops for "resisting arrest" without a fair trial if someone rich enough doesn't like you or if you are in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
      Another thing we have is a plutocracy, deal with it.

    28. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the same reason speed cameras with automated fines should be unconstitutional too, but we still have them.

      They automatically prove you guilty.

    29. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean this old ancient idea of Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat. This idea was rather temporarily deployed in Ancient Rome. Ever since Germans took over you can only hope that they use lube when you bend over.

    30. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obey the fucking speed limit.
      It is neither unfair nor arduous.

      If you feel like the limit in a particular area is incorrect, complain about the limit, get it changed. Don't speed, get caught and then cry like it's someone else's fault.

    31. Re: Unconstitutinal by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      There are no state powers granted by the US constitution. The US constitution purports to delegate powers of the people and the states.

      "Purports" being the operative word...

    32. Re: Unconstitutinal by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      - Red light cameras are not at all red lights, only on random "profitable" red lights
      - There may or may not be signs on red light cameras, same with speed cameras
      - Rushing a red light is bad, but it is not always more dangerous than exceeding the speed limit. Crossing when the light just turned red or during traffic congestion is more of an annoyance than a real danger. And while you are clearly at fault if you get T-boned because you rushed a red light, it may not have been deadly it the other guy obeyed the speed limit. Excessive speed not only causes accidents, it also makes accidents worse even if you are not the one who caused it.

    33. Re: Unconstitutinal by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

      So if I lend my car to someone who has a valid driver's license, and a note from the doctor, but unbeknownst to me, they stopped taking their psychiatric medication, Then while I am sleeping, they run over 12 people, am I responsible for the murders?

    34. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Paraguay, those cameras were briefly introduced, then banned on Constitutional grounds.

    35. Re:Unconstitutinal by dosius · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised. I bet a LOT of judges would in fact be that stupid.

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    36. Re: Unconstitutinal by houindcon · · Score: 1

      We got a red light notice (rolled through red light on a right turn) so yeah, lot's of cities still do it.

    37. Re: Unconstitutinal by oshkrozz · · Score: 2

      Yes and no: You could be considered an accessory to the crime. You would have to:
      1) Divulge the person responsible
      2) Have the court fail to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that when lending your keys to the person you were not aware of the consequences
      3) you would still be on the hook for the insurance for civil damages

      Now onto Red light and Speeding cameras, the tickets issues are parking tickets, just like the car can get a ticket for being parked in an illegal sport and the owner of the car is responsible (unless they rat out the responsible party) the same is true with speeding cameras. What that means is that if you drive your car cross country you are free to speed and run red lights all you want since other states have no way to collect (Doesn't apply to rental cars) ... unless you get pulled over and then you will have to pay up.

    38. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that logic, the car should pay the fine.

    39. Re:Unconstitutinal by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the USofA, there's a little thing known as "the presumption of innocence," meaning that the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. This does the exact opposite by assuming that anybody who's accused must be guilty and penalizing them without allowing them to present a defense. No judge would ever be stupid enough to rule in favor of Rightscorp, making the idea DOA at best, even if they don't get sued into bankruptcy the first time they try to enforce it.

      You really do not understand how the US legal system works. I'm not an attorney, but my best friend is. He has taught me a lot about how the legal system really works here. I can assure you that it is indeed quite possible to find a judge who would rule in favor of Rightscorp. Anything can happen in a US court - anything. I know of a case involving a business dispute in my city where an appellate court ruled that the court that decided the case made up the law out of thin air. Think about that - a court was found to have made up the law they ruled on. My friend told me he had never heard of that happening before. The Naxos vs. Capitol case,which had devastating results for those of us who hoped that copyrights might actually expire one day, in my opinion also resulted in a ruling where the court that heard the case made up the law they ruled on out of nothing. If the US Supreme Court was to get some kind of hypothetical case where the law technically was very clear and required a certain ruling but actually giving that ruling would destroy the United States, plunge it into civil war and directly lead to the deaths of tens of millions of people, at least 4 members of the current court would shrug their shoulders and give that ruling, acting powerless to do anything else. There were all kinds of crazy decisions made by courts allowing mass mailings of infringement notices some years ago and that was probably as big a violation of due process as is even possible, yet it took years before judges in general began to oppose the practice. And this isn't even getting into the practice of having juries decide complex patent cases. All I can tell you is that if you haven't served on a jury, you really cannot even comprehend how stupid and technically challenged many if not most jury members are.

    40. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they did that, it was called bush v gore...

    41. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they would promptly ignore you. Who do you think really runs this shit? I mean, come on. You can't be that naive!

    42. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What speed limit is that? The one on the interstates which say "state limit 55" or the same highway 5 minutes later which now says "state limit 35 fines doubled" because it has now become a "safety corridor".

      Same highway, same roads just now it is some small backwater city which was able to have a "STATE LIMIT" changed to suit them?
      How can it be called an "interstate" and have "state limits" when it changes every 25 - 30 minutes in some places?

      Here (Ontario) the highway speed limit rarely changes (usually only during construction when it is lowered form 100 KPH to 80 KPH).
      We also have large blue signs telling you what the fine will be for each 10kph over the limit.

      In the US, there is no such warnings, no such rules around what a "state limit" means and cities are free to lower it intentionally to raise money.
      Often it is at the bottom of a large hill where the limit suddenly goes from 65 - 45.

      PS. I generally agree with you, if you speed you should be fined but the governments can also knock it off with the tricks.

    43. Re:Unconstitutinal by mark-t · · Score: 1

      If I had reason to suspect they were ignoring me, then I'd just keep calling them again about it until I knew what action they were going to take. In the case of a false positive, which is what would be the case if they were ever to take any interest in me, we'd be talking about an actual law being broken here.... just as certainly as it would be if a credit card company occasionally threw random charges on customer's bills under the expectation that they would not notice them, and would probably just pay them without saying anything about it.

    44. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try that in NSW, Australia:
      if you don't identify the driver, the fine is issued to the owner of the vehicle.
      And in addition to the original fine (say, $300) there is an added penalty of $11,000 !

    45. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      speak for yourself, traffic cameras are illegal in Mississippi. Meanwhile, Texas has the things around in spades.

    46. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have no way to collect, however i believe those other states could issue a warrant for you and then could detain you the next time you enter the state

    47. Re: Unconstitutinal by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > Rushing a red light is bad, but it is not always more dangerous than exceeding the speed limit.

      This is true, but what is really most annoying about this whole issue is.... there is already, and has been for MANY YEARS a better solution, and its very simple.

      All you need to do to virtually eliminate the kinds of accidents that happen from light running is.... to delay the green slightly. Put in a 2 second delay between one road getting the red and the other getting the green. Done. Do people still rush lights? Yes they do....but.... a lot less collisions.

      Once again showing where tightening regulations and enforcing them even more strictly is not always the best solution in fact, its a bone headed one.

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    48. Re:Unconstitutinal by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Not in civil cases - there's only apreponderence of the evidence. Besides, I'm pretty sure the ToS you agreed to with your ISP would never let you get past a mediator, let alone into a courtroom.

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    49. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to 5 years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000"

      ?

    50. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of states of reciprocal agreements where the state that issued the ticket reports it to the state that issued your drivers license, then that state typically will treat it the same as a ticket from within. Fun times happen when you get pulled over in a state your state doesn't have an agreement with (or, oddly, you don't have AAA for your insurance) because then you typically have to pay the fine immediately.

    51. Re: Unconstitutinal by redeIm · · Score: 1

      they should be responsible for the consequences of lending it to someone even if they choose to hide him/her.

      Should? You are mistaken. Your authoritarian thinking only leads to people being punished for copyright infringement even when they had nothing to do with it. There are all sorts of ways to abuse people when you use this sort of 'logic.'

    52. Re: Unconstitutinal by redeIm · · Score: 1

      Red light camera's I'm fine with.

      I'm not fine with any sort of mass automatic government surveillance of public places. Anyone with any sort of knowledge of history should be opposed to it, too.

    53. Re: Unconstitutinal by redeIm · · Score: 1

      They don't prove anything, as they dish out punishments before you ever see a court room. I think our system of having 'petty' matters handled outside of courts is deeply flawed, as there is simply too much room for abuse. You force everything to go to court (automatically, not just when people feel like it) and suddenly you less focus on petty nonsense and less lying from cops and corporations.

      Automation of surveillance is part of the problem.

    54. Re: Unconstitutinal by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Put in a 2 second delay between one road getting the red and the other getting the green. Done. Do people still rush lights? Yes they do....but.... a lot less collisions.

      Well, where I live, it is already the case. I thought it was the same everywhere...

    55. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speed and red light cameras have a LEO review the data and sign the issuing ticket.

    56. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would fall under "unless you get pulled over"

    57. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not work; the registered owner is responsible for all fines unless they can provide information that would indicate another party had control of the vehicle.

    58. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's a city ordinance and it violates the state or federal constitution

      It doesn't. They aren't giving you a ticket for driving thru a red light. They're giving you a ticket because you're the owner of a car which was driven thru a red light. They're not accusing you of anything, they're just presenting a fact. Unless you can prove that it wasn't your car, or that you couldn't have reasonably been responsible for its whereabouts (stolen), you have to pay the ticket. Same as if it was parked in a no-parking zone. They don't have to prove that you parked it there. You have to pay the ticket because it's your car. If somebody else parked it there... sorry, your problem. Don't let that person drive/park your car anymore.

    59. Re:Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civil actions and criminal actions are completely different. It is completely legal for a member of the public (not a lawyer) to harass someone with civil demands through the 'proper channels' without restraint. This is because otherwise it turns into a "this lawsuit is stupid, go to jail" which of course would only be applied to unpopular/poor people. Only recently has it become illegal to send people real actual bills and demand money for services/goods you didn't provide...the only reason that is true is because companies can ding your credit history. It isn't a "come on man give me money" it's a "give me money or I'll fuck your credit score up." Civil demands cannot do that unless they use specific procedures...which won't be used by settlement trolls. Settlement trolls count on you paying up or not showing up to court which means you also pay up. Showing up to defend yourself is just part of their cost of doing business, which means that 9/10ths of the time they get nothing.

      Criminally, you really are presumed guilty to a point...if you're arrested and jailed it's because you're being a danger to yourself or to others or are a flight risk. That is why people get arrested and have to sit in jail until an initial trial or bond. Slick way they have of circumventing our founding principles there.

    60. Re: Unconstitutinal by idontgno · · Score: 1

      The 14th Amendment explicitly extends Constitutional Due Process (4th Amendment) to all states.

      Only a shill or a moron would claim that incorporation to the states doesn't extend to any sub-state legal jurisdictional level, including piss-ant "municipalities".

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    61. Re:Unconstitutinal by macs4all · · Score: 1

      That only applies to the legal system. Rightscorp is bypassing the legal system and instead getting the ISPs to do the work of law enforcement, and with no analogue to the court system. Basically there are three private parties, Rightscorp, the ISP, and the ISP's customer, and any of the three is legally allowed to presume the other two parties are guilty bastards without proof. Also any of the three are able to sue if they feel unfairly treated if they think some laws are being broken, and they can countersue if anyone sues them, if they'd rather spend that kind of money doing so.

      Well, Alrighty Then! You just stumbled on the solution.

      Since (I assume) no agreement exists between Rightscorp and the ISPs, said ISPs can (and should) simply tell Rightscorp to POUND SAND, because they are simply not under any statutory nor contractual obligation to even READ Rightscorp's request; let alone HONOR it.

      Bottom line: If Rightscorp wants to take alleged "infringers" to court, they have to do it the "right" way (i.e., through the DMCA).

      They simply cannot turn ISPs into Police, Judge and Jury, at least not in the USA.

      INAL, but AFIK, even in civil cases, there are still a modicum of Due Process Rights that one has. Yes, I know this isn't in a Court; but I'm about to change that...

      Every single alleged infringer needs to file a Small Claims Court case against their ISP and Rightscorp, suing for the statutory maximum (usually $5k to $10k). It only costs about $50 in most jurisdictions, and in most jurisdictions, corporations MUST hire an attorney (there goes a minimum of about $2500 for them).

      Better yet, If you file in regular (Superior or Circuit) Court in your Jurisdiction, it costs a little more (usually around $100-200), but then, the Corporation MUST hire an attorney (while you can ALWAYS represent yourself "pro se"). In both cases, your meme is going to be "extortion", due process violations, and "frivolous and vexatious litigation". Also throw the words "professional misconduct" around.

      Speaking of which, while you're at it, when they DO retain an attorney, then write up a "Grievance" to their local Licensing Board (often the Supreme Court in the State they are practicing), alleging Professional Misconduct (attorneys cannot advance frivolous claims), and that you have Standing to do so even though it isn't your attorney, because your Grievance is based on the "Proper Administration of Justice" and because every Attorney is an "Officer of the Court" FIRST, and MUST uphold their Jurisdiction's Rules of Professional Conduct for Attorneys (you can find them online on your State's website), EVEN ABOVE their duty to "zealously defend their client".

      Even if the Licensing Board doesn't formally start a Professional Conduct procedure against the law firm (which they won't), said law firm/attorney HAS to inform their Malpractice Insurance Carrier of the Grievance, which can cause them to be dropped by their carrier, or at least, pay increased insurance rates. Most states also list on their Roll of Attorneys how many Grievances have been filed against them, which can limit their future business, and possibly affect their local Bar Association's "Rating" for them.

      IOW, since they are playing fast and loose with the concept of "Justice", you can play "Hardball" with the tools at your disposal, too. All it takes is a few hours of research and typing.

      To quote a great line from "Boston Legal": "I like to put the Adversary back into the Adversarial Process."

    62. Re:Unconstitutinal by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Not in civil cases - there's only apreponderence of the evidence. Besides, I'm pretty sure the ToS you agreed to with your ISP would never let you get past a mediator, let alone into a courtroom.

      I am also pretty sure that:

      1. You can only sign your Constitutional Rights away with a SPECIFIC, KNOWING Statement. Burying something like that on Page 115 of a 130-page Click-Through User Agreement will NOT hold up in Court.

      Hmmm. On second thought, I wonder if Rightscorp is trying to circumvent your Right to a Jury Trial by making the sum $10 (rather than $20)?

      2. Even if you have to use Mediation against your ISP, you signed no such agreement with Rightscorp, period.

      3. See my other posting, above, regarding filing Professional Conduct Grievances against Rightscorp and your ISP's Counsel. NOTHING stops that; and actually, if enough people do it in a particular Jurisdiction (while forwarding a copy of same to the American Bar Association and the Solicitor General and Attorney General of the U.S., as well as your State Attorney General's Consumer Fraud Div, and your local Assistant U.S. Attorney), eventually SOMEONE will come up for air...

      But one thing that won't help: Bitching about it on Slashdot (other than perhaps to mobilize others, too)...

    63. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 14th imposes a constraint. It doesn't convey a power. Get a clue about what a federation of states is supposed to be.

    64. Re: Unconstitutinal by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget to mention that in a large portion of the intersections with red light cameras there is no delay between red and the green, and the yellow light is intentionally shortened in order to increase the number of citations. This also routinely increases the number of accidents in the intersection.

    65. Re: Unconstitutinal by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the speed cameras, but the red-light cameras are not owned by a government agency. They are owned by a corporation which contracts out their use and gets a large portion of the profits from the tickets.

    66. Re: Unconstitutinal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That presumption only applies to criminal cases prosecuted by a government. Rightscorp is a private entity; so, the presumption need not apply. Even then, the presumption is one of statute law and not constitutional law.

  25. they can't do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are forcing you to admit guilt for something you MAY or MAY NOT do, without a trial, in exchange of your right to use a service you already payed... that's because more than 90% of their prosecutions end with inocense, because more than 90% of their "proof" is false and or circunstancial (there are ransomwares that produce traffic to illegal/copyrighted content sites and wifi users that hijack accesspoints to access to that kind of content without risking their own connections, and just because you acces p2p servers dowsn't mean you are downloaded copyrighted material... ISPs may know you are using a p2p network but they doesn't know WHAT you are downloading)

    1. Re:they can't do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that is certainly a new line of defence...purposely infecting your computer after you get a copyright notice.

  26. Rightcorp: meet VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm....$20 per song, or $60 for a year of VPN. This could take a bit of thinking.

  27. Sign me up! by jd2112 · · Score: 1

    It's implied that I've paid their extortion fees I'm free to download as much as I want. Right? Sure it costs a bit more than Netflix but TPB has a better selection anyway...

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  28. Darknets... by DMJC · · Score: 1

    Isn't this just another problem for encrypted darknets to solve?

    1. Re:Darknets... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope. Imagine this: Your ISP redirects ALL your traffic, no matter the destination IP, to the one IP of the machine that tells you that the extortionists want money from you. There is very little you can do at this stage except hack and take over said machine.

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    2. Re:Darknets... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Or put my phone on "personal hotspot" while I call my ISP and complain. Heck, I don't use near enough data to vaguely approach my cell data cap in the time it'd get me to change ISPs. (I like my present service up to the point where they do something like this, but my wife doesn't, and unlike many people I've got four reasonable ways of getting to the net at well over 2Mb/s.)

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  29. How about um NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had some software I bought legitimately and one day it was suddenly deactivated with the company saying I stole the product key. That was the last time I paid for software.

    1. Re:How about um NO by ruir · · Score: 1

      Windows?

  30. No service = no payment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really is that simple. If my ISP signs up for this, and subsequently cuts off my access, I simply stop paying my ISP. They cannot legally charge me for a service they do not provide.

    Hit them in their pocketbook, money is the only thing they understand.

  31. Focus on cable ISPs because.... by Dan+B. · · Score: 2

    I note in the OP that they are focussed on "Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Cable Vision and one more" which is basically means they are only going to bother with cable providers that have localised monopolies where subscribers can't just switch to a new ISP.

    While that may work where cable monopolies exist (i.e. USA) it would fail utterly in markets where xDSL is the more predominant carriage method as most people would just churn from one ISP to the next rather than pay a "fine" and admit guilt, especially if the "fine(s)" add up to more than the cost of changing.

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    1. Re:Focus on cable ISPs because.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Also ISPs would not willingly put up with something like that and try to push back. Word spreads quickly and people would just as quickly start to move away.

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  32. lel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironically, it'd still be cheaper than paying for them.

  33. The 4th amendment... RIP by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why we Americans now have the Fourth Amendment, requiring due process (with various levels of proof) before interfering with someone's life.

    Well, but that was a while ago. Now the legal system is using rationales like "hey, your MONEY doesn't have any rights, so we don't need due process to seize it, just suspicion" and also "terrorism", "you are on this list", and the big winner, "I think I'll just shoot you" (and often your dog, even, every once in a while, your cat), plus "we like searching your finances and communications without a warrant, so we do (IRS, NSA, DEA, other TLAs)", etc.

    You gotta keep up a little better.

    Also, the 4th constrains the federal government. With significant optimism poured on the 14th amendment, plus a judge who hasn't received his most recent bribes, the 4th also constrains state governments. It does not, however, constrain corporations or individuals. That is, of course, if anyone was still paying it serious notice, which is clearly not the case anyway.

    This stuff actually depends upon civil law, and there, the rules are *completely* different and not at all what you expect. Or will enjoy. Civil law exists specifically so the system can hammer you in the event that criminal law is not up to the job. Any other usefulness is wholly coincidental.

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  34. Wouldn't Hold Up in Court by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    I'd really love to see them do this to somebody who takes them to court for it. Rightscorp and the ISP will have to prove the guilty party is the account owner. If they can't, then they still have to prove who the guilty party is, and make them pay. It's called burden of proof. This company is simply attempting to circumvent the U.S. legal system because in most cases, they won't be able to prove who was downloading the copyrighted material.

    The problem is rooted in the fact that an IP address is not the same as an individual. Take for example, a household of Dad, Mom, and two children. Which device in the house was used to download the copyrighted material? Which individual was using that device at the time? How does anyone know if maybe a family friend was visiting and used the device? Is it possible that a trojan or other malware was on the device and did it without any user consent? The company would have to be able to prove which individual was using the device that was downloading the material at the time it was downloaded, and probably need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was downloaded with the user's consent. Determining all that, is next to impossible in almost all the cases.

    Rightscorp & The ISP's case, is very weak if anyone challenges it.

    1. Re:Wouldn't Hold Up in Court by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's the whole reason for the spiel. That the whole thing is standing on SUCH thin ice that in the meantime every judge and their dog knows that these carpet bombing filesharing accusations don't work and throw the whole thing out before the John Doe lawsuit is filed in full.

      That's the reason for the extortion. People get inconvenienced and asked for rather little money. It's likely that they'll just pay, ignoring that this also seems to admit guilt. It's like a weaker form of torture, just instead of skinning someone to make them admit guilt, you take away their beloved toy.

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    2. Re:Wouldn't Hold Up in Court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no no! You are mistaking the civil justice system with the criminal justice system. In this case, you would need to prove you are innocent, not the other way around. Read the link you posted, it's all right there: "In civil cases, the plaintiff has the burden of proving his case by a preponderance of the evidence." Burden of proof is on you as the plaintiff.

      Even if you keep meticulous network traffic logs, a jury wouldn't understand them, and Rightscorp lawyers would just obfuscate them or have them thrown out as evidence completely. This is no win short of a class action lawsuit and settlement.

    3. Re:Wouldn't Hold Up in Court by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see this happen.

    4. Re:Wouldn't Hold Up in Court by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

      I think the example I gave above, along with the questions it raises about the "evidence" against me, would be easy enough for any non-technical minded jury to grasp. Those questions, really make it clear that anybody could've done it. Basically, if there's just 3 people who had access to my internet account, then the likelyhood of any single individual being the one who did it, is only 33%, not 100% or even 50%. Therefore, it's more unlikely that said individual downloaded the copyrighted material, than it is likely they did it.

      By the time the prosecution gets a search warrant to comb through all the files on all the devices, the downloaded copyrighted material could have been moved to another device or hard drive. If they finds signs that it existed on one of the devices & no longer exists, the defendant can claim they downloaded the file but it wasn't what they wanted or that they decided not to keep it, so they deleted it. That wouldn't be much different than buying something from Walmart & returning it to get your money back. Even better, it's like a thief who walks out of a store with something, but then returns it to the shelf before anyone busts him. Even if he's noticed on security camera's after the fact, they can't legally make you pay for something you're not keeping or using.

      So the case against an individual is so weak that even preponderance isn't really a problem. In fact, it just wouldn't be worth the money it costs to try to fight it in court. For argument's sake though, imagine Rightscorp & the ISP's did allow cases like these to be brought to court and they win a lot of them. The moment ONE of them ends with the defendant being innocent, it creates a precedent. That'd be their worst nightmare, and they do NOT want to risk that happening. The gig would be up, forever.

  35. That actually gave me a really funny idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody needs to get a red light ticket, then when they come into court to challenge it, either demand the state brings the traffic camera into court so you can face your accuser, or just have somebody go tear it off and bring it in yourself.

    Not that you'd ever get into the courthouse with it, but it might bizarre enough to get media attention to the issue and convince some people to complain about red light cameras in a more organized manner.

  36. all traffic? more than just web ports? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    suppose you run a vpn from home. they can't easily put a redirect in when its not port 80 (etc) traffic.

    wonder what they plan to do with us vpn guys?

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  37. There Is a Minor Flaw In This Endeavor by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Robert Steele is not a god. But maybe someone could prove me wrong?

    1. Re:There Is a Minor Flaw In This Endeavor by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There's just one way to find out for sure. Anyone got a shotgun?

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  38. Doing it wrong. by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    You don't want to cut off their web browsing, you want to cut their power. Get the electric companies to cut the power till they pay up. Can't download or watch them infringing files with no power.

    Cut the power!!!!

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    1. Re:Doing it wrong. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      You don't want to cut off their web browsing, you want to cut their power. Get the electric companies to cut the power till they pay up. Can't download or watch them infringing files with no power.

      Cut the power!!!!

      Actually the analogous action would be to drop their line voltage to 30V and perhaps change the frequency to 20Hz.

    2. Re:Doing it wrong. by newcastlejon · · Score: 1
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  39. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can sue for tortious interference. You won't win, but you can sue.

    What a country!

  40. Time to disband rightscorp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find em, arrest them (RICO violations), sentence them to minimum life in prison per violation.

    We won't see them til the entropy death of the universe.

    It's called Hacking / Wire Fraud -it's illegal to tamper with DNS / internet streams as that violates net neutrality.

    So Rightscorp, go fuck yourselves, or the people of the internet will fuck you over.

  41. Uhh - no, Rightscorp isn't law enforcement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have no rights whatsoever to illegally block customer internet services.

    If someone hacks another person's internet service, what right does Rightscorp have to block a family that's done absolutely nothing to infringe from accessing the internet.

    They have to catch the *person* in the act - ie physically be there and then arrest the person in question, which can only be done by law enforcement.

    Anything else is heresay or worse and will not stand up in court.

    End of discussion. Time to disconnect rightscorp and all of their employees from the internet forever for their illegal antics.

  42. 75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by linearZ · · Score: 1

    Only a matter of time before Rightscorp gets sued. No one will get their $20, but the lawyers will win and Rightscorp will end up with a nice bill.

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    1. Re:75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      The purpose of shell corporations like Rightscorp is that they own nothing. So the people running them have legal immunity.

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    2. Re:75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, pooling the 20 bucks 75k people should have enough money to hire a pretty good hitman for their CEO. Unless he's the bulletproof monk that should work out well.

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    3. Re: 75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you hinting at starting an anonymous crowd-sourced funding site for hitmen? Say, hitstarter? hitmangogo?

      Genius! You my friend put the sapiens in homo sapiens.

    4. Re:75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1
    5. Re:75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But to file a copyright action, they have to be attached to the copyright.

      So the folks in internet timeout could end up owning the copyrights in question.

    6. Re: 75,000 Sounds Like Class Action Territory by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd guess governments around the globe would suddenly and for the first time agree on this needing to be eradicated IMMEDIATELY.

      Simple self interest.

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  43. metaphors by Tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is less like a "piracy speeding ticket" and more like a "piracy wheel clamp"

    No, it is not. A wheel clamp is attached by police, i.e. the executive branch of the government elected by the people. Like it or hate it, it's part of the democratic system and it is authorized to do this.

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    1. Re:metaphors by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Just like that speeding ticket. Rightsflop is, at least last time I checked, not part of the executive branch of the legal system. In other words, they have no right whatsoever to demand anything like this.

      Unless someone bought a new law and I missed it...

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    2. Re:metaphors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not here in the UK - here it's done by private firms that have the contract to enforce parking in a specific area. And there are lots of resulting law suits for abuse.

    3. Re:metaphors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A wheel clamp is attached by police

      Hate to burst your bubble but most wheel clamps are put into place by 'parking enforcement' companies that have dubious authority to do so.

      Also it isnt against the law in nearly all countries just to drill out the lock of the clamp or otherwise remove it like any other junk that somebody put on your car.

      (posting as anon as I never had a /. account and aint getting one now just for this comment)

    4. Re:metaphors by Tom · · Score: 1

      Hate to burst your bubble but most wheel clamps are put into place by 'parking enforcement' companies that have dubious authority to do so.

      Then I'm glad I live in a country that hasn't yet privatized law enforcement. Thanks for the data.

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  44. Re:all traffic? more than just web ports? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    If that gets to be a problem they can always just block all traffic except for the payment site.

  45. sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds familiar, looks like a protection racket to me.

    time for the old anti-mafia laws to be broken out and used against these people with extreme prejudice.

  46. Browser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another lame attempt by people who don't know how the Internet works.
    I have not had a single non-VPN connection in the Snowdon era.

  47. Some ISPs will love this by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

    Consider from their point of view with MPAA, RIAA and other trolls constantly harassing them. They cannot police their users. They often turn over lists of IP addresses and customers.

    This would allow ISPs to turn over traffic inspection, enforcement, and resolution, and let someone else deal with the headache.

    I can see large ISPs having teams to deal with these issues, but small ISPs having their hands forced :(

    1. Re:Some ISPs will love this by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

      I can envision a brave new future with me dealing with their support system after waiting on phone for 30 minutes trying to explain that bittorrenting knoppix is not illegal. Sigh :(

  48. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Dunno, but we should all get a tab and drop by Rightscorp to let them know how we feel about them.
    http://www.rightscorp.com/cont... I personally found it exhilarating.
    BOMBS AWAY!

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  49. It's much more than $20 and dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They say $20 in the headlines, but tfa says more like $200-$500 is a typical 'settlement'.

      What I don't understand is that a household usually has more than one person.
        Even if a person lives alone, he sometimes has guests.

    How do they turn of the internet for the unknown 'bad' guy without collateral damage to the rest of the household?
      Surely they are not intentionally also targeting non-infringers.
      Or, if they are, they need their hands slapped.

    Perhaps there is a potential for money to flow the other way for damages to the rest of the household.
    No doubt, it's just a matter of time before their internet timeout causes an innocent real damage.
    Lawyers must be lickin their chops!

    Rightscorp is saying folks should be responsible for their actions.
    I think this may make them the folks being made responsible.

  50. Now what could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This sort of thing is best handled by turning their weapon against them. If a corp can block anyone's internet connection because they maybe pirated something - then you can do the same. We all create "content". Write an essay - or a forum posting. Or take a picture. Whoops - content! Now you can troll arround just like that corp. Claim that someone pirated your stuff.

    And who to bother? Anyone in Rightscorp and their friends and families would be a good start. Also, anyone in the justice system; cops, lawyers, judges. And the corporations themselves - corps are "persons" and can surely have internet access revoked by their ISPs.

    People in power won't like to loose internet access themselves. So striking back like this will either have the law repealed - or strict punishment for falsely claiming piracy. In the latter case, apply that punishment to trigger-happy corps. You win either way.

  51. Theys Guys will save consumers millions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This actually sounds like a brilliant savings plan to me. Now I can pirate all that I want for $10/mo. I can consolidate Spotify, Netflix, Hulu....

  52. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    ... and your argument depends on people being sheeple. If people don't want to defend their rights, then maybe they don't deserve them - or "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur.

    We have freedoms because others fought for them; either pay it forward when your turn comes, or stop complaining, because by caving in, you're part of the problem.

    Sometimes "paying it forward" just means inconvenience. Sometimes it costs money. Sometimes it means more ... it's for each person to decide - and if they want to make that decision based on a cost-benefit analysis ("it costs more to fight than to give in") rather than what's right or wrong, that's their decision - but it means their principles are for sale.

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  53. infinger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per the headline, what's an infinger? Possibly the finger used to respond to this action.

  54. No browser by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

    So what if I only have an ubuntu server running at my house with no graphical browser.... I don't think Lynx is up to the task.

  55. Infingers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sheesh.

  56. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls by beschra · · Score: 1

    "This site has been blocked because it has been determined by Web Reputation Filters to be a security threat to your computer or the corporate network. This web site has been associated with malware/spyware."

    Love it.

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  57. in other words... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    "[What] we really want to do is move away from termination and move to what's called a hard redirect,

    Is this a fancy phrase for extortion?

  58. I'd call that a move to Termination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If my ISP did that I'd call them , asked them to remove it and if they will not I'd disconnect service. $20 worth my $100/mo indefinitely?

    Not everyone has multiple ISP options but I do and I'll swap providers in a heartbeat.

  59. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Not "sheeple" so much as having other pressing financial concerns. If your money is being driven towards home repairs, car repairs, medical costs, and trying to maintain a decent standard of living (not extravagant but putting food on the table and clothes on your family) despite rising costs of living and non-rising-to-match salaries, you aren't going to have the money to hire a lawyer and you aren't going to have the time to take off of work to fight a court case. Unfortunately, our legal system is set up so that fighting for your rights takes money that many people don't have. So if you sue someone and offer a quick low-cost settlement, they will take it because it's the one that will eat less of their precious income.

    Just because someone can't afford to do X doesn't mean that person is a "sheeple" for not doing it. Especially if doing X would cost money that instead is being used to feed their family and put a roof over their head.

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  60. aka "extortion" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice internet connection you have there. hate for something bad to happen to it.

  61. It's EASY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,

    My internet connection no longer works please cancel. Phone up ISP B yes I would like to open an account. When ISP B starts redirecting you could probably setup service again with ISP A. The smarter way of course is to cover your tracks so you don't get the attention of for profit copyright whore's to begin with.

    What's amazing to me however is that the content providers don't see the correlation with piracy and their pricing models.

  62. Many small claims equals one big headache... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone affected but such a scam should file a small claims suit for the maximum in their state. Let Rightscorp fight each one.

  63. Great idea! by superdave80 · · Score: 2

    Watch as I refuse to pay my internet bill due to my internet no longer working. Why would an ISP agree to such a thing?

    1. Re:Great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll get a kick back from every subscriber that pays. How long until the ISP adds it on as a fee (which will go unnoticed by many automatic payers) and puts a short pop-up that says to continue using the internet you agree to these terms. The terms will be in small text, include an admission of guilt, and include a promise to pay the fee and not sue.

  64. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

    ... and your argument depends on people being sheeple.

    By and large, people don't have the time, money, or knowledge to challenge petty nonsense like this. But it's still morally wrong to have a system in place where a mere accusation results in an actual punishment.

    I wish more people would fight it, but they demonstrably won't. Does that make any of this right? Absolutely not. This company should be punished severely.

    "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur.

    That's practical advice. None of this makes it right. You absolutely have a right to complain when someone does unethical things like this.

  65. Useful Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only problem with VPN is that some pages block you. More and more often when using VPN and google I'll get messages that my IP has exceeded the number of certain actions for the day... so I can't search anymore, or sign up for thing. All because the VPN is used by most people to do no good...

  66. Robert Steele by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

    Is apparently heavily involved with this company: https://www.google.com/finance...

    He is a regular speaker at HOPE, and tries to stay involved with open source and hacker communities, and is a looney tune. It's gotten to the point where people who attend his talks play "the Robert Steele drinking game" and have to drink whenever he makes ludicrous unsupportable claims.

  67. how is this going to work with comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast is in the middle of turning home wfi into hotspots http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/16/technology/security/comcast-wifi-hotspot/

    so now that the ISP has gone and done this to many of their customers who bares the burden of guilt when its some one using your ISP's hotspot from your home?

  68. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is a mondegreen - it's confidante, not cosmonaut

  69. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    If the company is doing wrong to so many people, then there's always a shark willing to take 30% for a class action. Now, what the company is doing is not illegal if they have proof of illegal downloading. To the contrary, it's better to have only violators pay rather than all users pay a "piracy tax" like we do now on CDs and other storage media. Why should you or I pay for someone else's actions?

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  70. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

    If the company is doing wrong to so many people, then there's always a shark willing to take 30% for a class action.

    Not good enough. Subverting the court system that provides checks and balances is simply a fundamentally flawed and morally wrong idea to me and other freedom-minded individuals.

    To the contrary, it's better to have only violators pay rather than all users pay a "piracy tax" like we do now on CDs and other storage media. Why should you or I pay for someone else's actions?

    I don't, so here's an idea: Reject both ideas, because they're both unjust. Defeating false dichotomies is easy.

  71. A Good Start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the concept, and hope it works well in actual execution.

  72. BarbaraHudson: Step inside, backup your b.s.! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points that give users added speed, security, reliability & more here this week where YOU started up your usual b.s. with me, then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    "and one way to monetize your hosts file is to put a few bogus entries in that go to bogus "monetizing" sites" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    I don't "monetize it": I give it away so folks have more speed, security, reliability & more for FREE - it's the right thing to do. I have the ability to do so & it's better than ANY single competitor by far, doing more with less.

    (ALL I let users add is their favorite sites (for speed, & reliability) + to import known bad sites or adbanners (for safety & speed) blocking entries from 12 reputable sources in the security community - & users control it, not I!)

    ---

    "Who has independently vetted it?" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently, http://www.av-test.org/en/news... who also host my program for hosts, is who -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    The best in the business recommend it as "best of breed" @ the TOP of that last link's page (MalwareBytes' hpHosts page).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "After all, you post anonymously" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Better than having multiple sockpuppet accounts like you for upmodding yourself & downmodding those you can't get the best of:

    http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...
    http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson...

    Which YOU have used to libel me with falsehoods like where you attempt to libel me & harm my professional programming career http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  73. BarbaraHudson: Step inside, backup your b.s.! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points that give users added speed, security, reliability & more here this week where YOU started up your usual b.s. with me, then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    "and one way to monetize your hosts file is to put a few bogus entries in that go to bogus "monetizing" sites" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    I don't "monetize it": I give it away so folks have more speed, security, reliability & more for FREE - it's the right thing to do. I have the ability to do so & it's better than ANY single competitor by far, doing more with less.

    (ALL I let users add is their favorite sites (for speed, & reliability) + to import known bad sites or adbanners (for safety & speed) blocking entries from 12 reputable sources in the security community - & users control it, not I!)

    ---

    "Who has independently vetted it?" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently, http://www.av-test.org/en/news... who also host my program for hosts, is who -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    The best in the business recommend it as "best of breed" @ the TOP of that last link's page (MalwareBytes' hpHosts page).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "After all, you post anonymously" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Better than having multiple sockpuppet accounts like you for upmodding yourself & downmodding those you can't get the best of:

    http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...
    http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson...

    Which YOU have used to spread falsehoods like where you attempt to libel me & harm my professional programming career http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  74. BarbaraHudson: Step inside & backup your b.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points that give users added speed, security, reliability & more here this week where YOU started up your usual b.s. with me, then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    "and one way to monetize your hosts file is to put a few bogus entries in that go to bogus "monetizing" sites" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    I don't "monetize it": I give it away so folks have more speed, security, reliability & more for FREE - it's the right thing to do. I have the ability to do so & it's better than ANY single competitor by far, doing more with less.

    (ALL I let users add is their favorite sites (for speed, & reliability) + to import known bad sites or adbanners (for safety & speed) blocking entries from 12 reputable sources in the security community - & users control it, not I!)

    ---

    "Who has independently vetted it?" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently, http://www.av-test.org/en/news... who also host my program for hosts, is who -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    The best in the business recommend it as "best of breed" @ the TOP of that last link's page (MalwareBytes' hpHosts page).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "After all, you post anonymously" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Better than having multiple sockpuppet accounts like you for upmodding yourself & downmodding those you can't get the best of:

    http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...
    http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson...

    Which YOU have used to spread falsehoods like where you attempt to libel me & harm my professional programming career http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  75. Oh crap. by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Rightscorp was harassing me for a time because my phone number once belonged to an Army Sgt. who, apparently, violated a copyright. I shudder to think what could happen to other innocents.

  76. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    The last time I looked, small claims courts were still both cheap and had less of a backlog. If you've been blocked because you've been unjustly accused of piracy, just filing a claim against them should resolve the issue pretty quickly. Sheeple look for every excuse NOT to take the initiative. It's part of our culture of learned helplessness, "wahh omg this is wrong someone ELSE needs to do something."

    We see grannies in Kiev dodging bullets to fight for basic freedoms, and we're too unmotivated, too helpless, to even take a stand on minor irritants that, if unopposed, just encourage others to do come up with similar tactics to bleed us dry by the death of a thousand cuts? I simply don't buy it.

    That's why I'm saying that we have a duty to ensure our rights continue to be respected. All rights come with duties, responsibilities, or obligations. Freedom simply isn't free.

    I'm not saying this as idle speech. I've taken quite a few hits for standing up for people's rights. One of the latest examples is the ongoing battle between 100 tenants and the new landlords, who want to kick everyone out and integrate the 4 buildings into a housing co-op with significant rent increases. At the public meeting on October 31st, I tore apart their claims that they could unilaterally terminate the tenants leases without cause, and pointed out that what they claimed was "the maximum compensation permitted by law" wasn't even the minimum. To try to shut me up, their director proceeded to me as a transsexual to all my neighbours who were at the meeting, as well as others. That's the sort of toothpaste that not only can't be stuffed back in the tube, but spread quickly through the community. Between December and January I was assaulted 3 times. Connection?

    2 weeks ago the director had to publish a public notice. In the largest daily newspaper. In the regular news section. It reads, in part, "I, Daniel Lefebvre, sincerely apologize to Madame Barbara Hudson if I I offended her in any way with words making reference to her transsexuality at the information meeting for residents of Anthony Street."

    It's one thing to be out on slashdot (2006, iirc), quite another in my own community. I paid the price for standing up for my neighbours and I'd do it again, even though it's caused quite a bit of friction in the family. After all, it's everyone's duty to "pay it forward" out of respect for the men and women who throughout history have fought to give us the rights we have today. Those who won't because it's "too inconvenient" are pissing on the sacrifices of previous generations.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  77. BarbaraHudson = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points that give users added speed, security, reliability & more here this week where YOU started up your usual b.s. with me, then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    "and one way to monetize your hosts file is to put a few bogus entries in that go to bogus "monetizing" sites" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    I don't "monetize it": I give it away so folks have more speed, security, reliability & more for FREE - it's the right thing to do. I have the ability to do so & it's better than ANY single competitor by far, doing more with less.

    (ALL I let users add is their favorite sites (for speed, & reliability) + to import known bad sites or adbanners (for safety & speed) blocking entries from 12 reputable sources in the security community - & users control it, not I!)

    ---

    "Who has independently vetted it?" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently, http://www.av-test.org/en/news... who also host my program for hosts, is who -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    The best in the business recommend it as "best of breed" @ the TOP of that last link's page (MalwareBytes' hpHosts page).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "After all, you post anonymously" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Better than having multiple sockpuppet accounts like you for upmodding yourself & downmodding those you can't get the best of:

    http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...
    http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson...

    Which YOU have used to spread falsehoods like where you attempt to harm my professional programming career via libeling me http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  78. Medical Alerts/911 voip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They better fucking hope my uncle's 911 service through his voip service doesn't get fucked with or some serious lawsuits are coming their way.

  79. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    Class action lawsuits don't subvert the court system - they allow for people who otherwise wouldn't have the means to seek redress, or where businesses take unfair advantage, to have their day in court, and they send a message to other would-be predators to think twice.

    Well, why NOT have violators pay? You speed, you get caught, you pay. You steal, you get caught, you pay. You kill someone, you get caught, you pay. In all these examples, there are exceptions for mitigating circumstances. If you're speeding because you have a passenger who needs to get to the hospital ASAP or they die ... If you steal because someone's holding a relative hostage ... If you kill someone in self-defense ...

    The current situation requires everyone to pay for illegal downloaders via levies on storage media and devices that incorporate storage media. I don't illegally download, why should I be penalized by those levies? And why shouldn't illegal downloaders, when caught, not be held accountable for their actions, barring any mitigating circumstances?

    There have always been, and always will be, those who are falsely accused, whether it's speeding, theft, or murder. We don't deal with this by refusing to bring charges against anybody, ever, but by allowing everyone to have their day in court. To do otherwise would be to subvert the justice system, and the public of their rights to recourse. How would you like it if there were no laws against theft? Or doing 150 in a school zone? Or bumping someone off, 'just cuz'?

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  80. Re:Almost sounds like a good deal ... by redeIm · · Score: 1

    Class action lawsuits don't subvert the court system

    No, they don't, but then again, I didn't say they did. Rightscorp's scheme is what doesn't use the court system, and their scheme is immoral.

    The current situation requires everyone to pay for illegal downloaders via levies on storage media and devices that incorporate storage media. I don't illegally download, why should I be penalized by those levies?

    Take that up with the copyright thugs.

    And why shouldn't illegal downloaders, when caught, not be held accountable for their actions, barring any mitigating circumstances?

    Take them to *court* if you want them punished. Don't just have the ISP try to force them to cough up money based on an accusation and faulty evidence. This shit should go to court, and nowhere else. That's what pretty much everyone is saying.