You can get the bullets in a dime-sized group with an AK? That's good! At what range? What firing position?
That's a rather dramatic video, but it's over done. I'm sure we've both seen enough miracles to full up an entire Youtube with.
By the way, that armour looks to break differently than ours does. The black plate that he was holding looked to be intact except for the point of impact. Is that the same material that your plates were made of? Could that thing block another round at the same point of impact? As the range was merely 75 meters, and it was Iraq, could I assume that the sniper (or sharpshooter, really) was using an AK? Or do they have real sniper rifles over there?
No mention of Clinton sending troops into Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo, et al. with soft body armor that couldn't stop 9mm.
If that's the stuff I'm thinking of, then it's not designed to be bullet proof, only explosion and shrapnel proof. I mention that in another post here. It depends what type of mission those soldiers were on.
I see, I did not realize that there was politics involved! That tends to muck everything up!
I can tell you that they crack, but I did not know until I read another post here that cracked armour still protects. We don't shoot at our own armour to test it (At least, the infantry troops don't do that. I hope some agency is, though!), so in the rare instances where they've been pushed to the extreme limits we were not in a position to start examining them.
Also, our enemies have a real mess of different rifles, even among otherwise unified groups. Their mess of ammo is even worse. So we never really know what type of weapon (M16, AK47, AK74) was used, or which bullets. I've even pulled green tipped bullets out of magazines from standard thin-barreled AR15's (we call them M16's, but they really are AR15's). I'm assuming that American bullets use the same colour coding as we use, if not, then green-tipped bullets are the ones for M4, A3, and other thick-barreled 5.56 rifles.
I spent 7 years in the Infantry, and 6 in the Artillery. I've been to Iraq. I've heard lots of pouges, REMFs, newbs, and PONTIs talk bullshit over the years. I've heard lots of PAC clerks talking about cutting throats, etc.
You've obviously never SEEN a body armor plate.
Obviously, compared to your amazing service I'm just some idiot who's never even SEEN a body armor plate. I bow to your excellence, and apologize for stepping in your domain. I've proven that I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, by the way, here's a pic of me _in_ ceramic body armour vest: http://dotancohen.com/eng/pictures/photo/dotan_his_way_work_equipment.html I wonder where I dreamed _that_ up. Oh yeah, Jenin, how could I forget?!?
In any case, hot shot, I would expect a bit more disciple and questions than "your equipment is different than mine! lier!" from A) someone with 7 years of infantry behind him and B) a slashdot poster. Unless you are one of those jerks in American movies who likes to make himself feel all big and tough because he thinks that he can attack others. Then again, from what I've heard about your military, maybe that is just the type of soldier that they breed.
(why do I feel a pissing contest about to start? better grab me a beer)
Actually, I didn't think it was so much a troll as a smart-ass. The GP should brush up on his history and see where his US technology is being perfected. Notable of course are the first kill of an F-15, first kill of an F-16, a quite a few others. The US and Israel have a very symbiotic relationship with regard to technology in general and military technology in particular.
Indeed, the greatest danger would be from either mis-directing the backblast into your team, or the blunt-force trauma of hitting someone with the projectile.
I did think about the blast, but didn't think about the trauma! Ouch!
It's also rather moot, as the LAW isn't generally fielded anymore, being 40+ years old and not good against modern armor. Might as well be talking about bazookas and Messerschmidts. It's mostly the AT4 now....
Huh. Apparently, as of 2006, they're pulling M74 LAWs out of storage and using them in Iraq because they're lighter than the AT4 and insurgents don't travel in armored vehicles.
The LAW and RPG are also great for punching through buildings. Just be sure to do it in an area that you know has no civilians.
Sorry about that. We'll try to get those US taxpayer dollars to you on the first of the month from now on.
US taxpayer dollars do not pay for locally-developed and produced technology, only technology imported from the US. If I'm not mistaken, the US _imports_ personnel-protection technology from my nation. In fact, it's the fact that _I_ test it in Lebanon that US soldiers can wear it and feel [relatively] safe.
Put your hands on Natalie Portman's tits, and bring your trolls to life! And it's the model of trust (group hack, group hack, group hack, group hack) that makes security insane! Let's do the slashdot again.
Oh no. The first time I hear "Goatse" on a Friday night I'm getting up (oh no my seat is wet) and and getting (the fuck) out of there.
If the wearer is about to pull the trigger on his M72 LAW when someone fires a rifle at him, do you think it's a Good Idea (TM) to jerk the person around?
Without the suit, you WILL be hit by a bullet. WITH the suit, you MIGHT accidentally blow up your whole team.
The LAW rockets have to travel a short distance (I think 17 meters) before they are armed. So if you fire it into the ground or your nearby APC, nothing really bad happens.
And the ceramic body armour breaks after only one bullet. After that you are on your own.
Actually, the plates generally in use by NATO nations are designed to stop up to 3 hits from 7.62 rounds. Now, granted "designed to" doesn't mean they will, but if you're suggesting that the plate is useless after only one hit from a 5.56 round, then you're just plain wrong.
Fortunately, I've never actually been hit with either a 5.56 or a 7.62 myself. But I've seen people get hit, and I'm not sure if there were multiple hits on the same plate or not. In Lebanon two years ago we couldn't even exchange our equipment for two weeks, and I wasn't keeping score of who was getting hit or where (front, back). But I can attest that no one was seriously injured by a bullet through the armour. I should probably mention that we were absorbing a nice mix of 5.56 (M16), 7.62 short (AK47) and 5.54 (AK74) rounds (and the occasional mortar or RPG!).
Can we all agree to just casually walk into these stores and secretly drop a paperclip on the floor each time we're in the area? I relish the idea of the guy sweeping up night after night saying "what the hell is with all of these stupid paperclips?"
Paperclips, dirty diapers, Ubuntu discs, the possibilities are endless.
Right into the path of another bullet. Or a truck. Or an electric fence. etc.
You've obviously never been hit with a 5.56 round while wearing ceramic body armour. That little 8 gram bullet is like getting punched. You don't really feel the point of impact, but you are knocked sideways anyway. And the ceramic body armour breaks after only one bullet. After that you are on your own.
To the first person who obtains, and releases into the Microsoft retail store, a dog bearing an uncanny resemblance to the horrible Windows search dog.
The "grudge" the US right holds towards Cuba has to do with the fact that they hold the belief that because Cuba is next door the US has the right to determine the type of government in Cuba. This is the same "problem" they now have with Venezuela and Bolivia.
The phenomenon is called "sphere of influence" and it actually helps stabilize areas of the world because it helps ensure that conflicting mindsets and governments do not border each other. Not that I think it's right, especially in this case where there are some good tens of kilometers of ocean between Cuba and the US. But think of Eastern Russia, circa 1950-1970.
Of several Russians that I lived with a few years ago, several speak Chinese and only one speaks fluent English (I am not American either, so not everyone here speaks English). Of course, I do not know what level of Chinese they speak, and the fact that they are from Birobijan (East Russia) may be of influence.
I happen to speak some Russian and I am familiar with the Russian (and Greek) alphabets. I still think that a distro that fosters ties to a neighboring economy as huge as China's would be of great benefit. Of course, I may simply be overestimating the importance of the distro wars!
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You can get the bullets in a dime-sized group with an AK? That's good! At what range? What firing position?
That's a rather dramatic video, but it's over done. I'm sure we've both seen enough miracles to full up an entire Youtube with.
By the way, that armour looks to break differently than ours does. The black plate that he was holding looked to be intact except for the point of impact. Is that the same material that your plates were made of? Could that thing block another round at the same point of impact? As the range was merely 75 meters, and it was Iraq, could I assume that the sniper (or sharpshooter, really) was using an AK? Or do they have real sniper rifles over there?
No mention of Clinton sending troops into Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo, et al. with soft body armor that couldn't stop 9mm.
If that's the stuff I'm thinking of, then it's not designed to be bullet proof, only explosion and shrapnel proof. I mention that in another post here. It depends what type of mission those soldiers were on.
I see, I did not realize that there was politics involved! That tends to muck everything up!
I can tell you that they crack, but I did not know until I read another post here that cracked armour still protects. We don't shoot at our own armour to test it (At least, the infantry troops don't do that. I hope some agency is, though!), so in the rare instances where they've been pushed to the extreme limits we were not in a position to start examining them.
Also, our enemies have a real mess of different rifles, even among otherwise unified groups. Their mess of ammo is even worse. So we never really know what type of weapon (M16, AK47, AK74) was used, or which bullets. I've even pulled green tipped bullets out of magazines from standard thin-barreled AR15's (we call them M16's, but they really are AR15's). I'm assuming that American bullets use the same colour coding as we use, if not, then green-tipped bullets are the ones for M4, A3, and other thick-barreled 5.56 rifles.
I spent 7 years in the Infantry, and 6 in the Artillery. I've been to Iraq. I've heard lots of pouges, REMFs, newbs, and PONTIs talk bullshit over the years. I've heard lots of PAC clerks talking about cutting throats, etc.
You've obviously never SEEN a body armor plate.
Obviously, compared to your amazing service I'm just some idiot who's never even SEEN a body armor plate. I bow to your excellence, and apologize for stepping in your domain. I've proven that I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, by the way, here's a pic of me _in_ ceramic body armour vest:
http://dotancohen.com/eng/pictures/photo/dotan_his_way_work_equipment.html
I wonder where I dreamed _that_ up. Oh yeah, Jenin, how could I forget?!?
In any case, hot shot, I would expect a bit more disciple and questions than "your equipment is different than mine! lier!" from A) someone with 7 years of infantry behind him and B) a slashdot poster. Unless you are one of those jerks in American movies who likes to make himself feel all big and tough because he thinks that he can attack others. Then again, from what I've heard about your military, maybe that is just the type of soldier that they breed.
(why do I feel a pissing contest about to start? better grab me a beer)
Actually, I didn't think it was so much a troll as a smart-ass. The GP should brush up on his history and see where his US technology is being perfected. Notable of course are the first kill of an F-15, first kill of an F-16, a quite a few others. The US and Israel have a very symbiotic relationship with regard to technology in general and military technology in particular.
Anyway, thanks!
Indeed, the greatest danger would be from either mis-directing the backblast into your team, or the blunt-force trauma of hitting someone with the projectile.
I did think about the blast, but didn't think about the trauma! Ouch!
It's also rather moot, as the LAW isn't generally fielded anymore, being 40+ years old and not good against modern armor. Might as well be talking about bazookas and Messerschmidts. It's mostly the AT4 now. ...
Huh. Apparently, as of 2006, they're pulling M74 LAWs out of storage and using them in Iraq because they're lighter than the AT4 and insurgents don't travel in armored vehicles.
The LAW and RPG are also great for punching through buildings. Just be sure to do it in an area that you know has no civilians.
Sorry about that. We'll try to get those US taxpayer dollars to you on the first of the month from now on.
US taxpayer dollars do not pay for locally-developed and produced technology, only technology imported from the US. If I'm not mistaken, the US _imports_ personnel-protection technology from my nation. In fact, it's the fact that _I_ test it in Lebanon that US soldiers can wear it and feel [relatively] safe.
Of course, now they have dragon skin armor:
Can stop a grenade safely, and multiple hits.
Stopping grenade shrapnel has never been a problem. The earliest soft body armour would stop grenade shrapnel, and not bullets.
Put your hands on Natalie Portman's tits, and bring your trolls to life!
And it's the model of trust (group hack, group hack, group hack, group hack) that makes security insane!
Let's do the slashdot again.
Oh no. The first time I hear "Goatse" on a Friday night I'm getting up (oh no my seat is wet) and and getting (the fuck) out of there.
If the wearer is about to pull the trigger on his M72 LAW when someone fires a rifle at him, do you think it's a Good Idea (TM) to jerk the person around?
Without the suit, you WILL be hit by a bullet.
WITH the suit, you MIGHT accidentally blow up your whole team.
The LAW rockets have to travel a short distance (I think 17 meters) before they are armed. So if you fire it into the ground or your nearby APC, nothing really bad happens.
You, obviously, have been.
Well, no, but I've seen it happen enough times.
Actually, the plates generally in use by NATO nations are designed to stop up to 3 hits from 7.62 rounds. Now, granted "designed to" doesn't mean they will, but if you're suggesting that the plate is useless after only one hit from a 5.56 round, then you're just plain wrong.
Fortunately, I've never actually been hit with either a 5.56 or a 7.62 myself. But I've seen people get hit, and I'm not sure if there were multiple hits on the same plate or not. In Lebanon two years ago we couldn't even exchange our equipment for two weeks, and I wasn't keeping score of who was getting hit or where (front, back). But I can attest that no one was seriously injured by a bullet through the armour. I should probably mention that we were absorbing a nice mix of 5.56 (M16), 7.62 short (AK47) and 5.54 (AK74) rounds (and the occasional mortar or RPG!).
As you can see, it's not made of small discs.
Thanks, that is similar to what I am familiar with.
Can we all agree to just casually walk into these stores and secretly drop a paperclip on the floor each time we're in the area? I relish the idea of the guy sweeping up night after night saying "what the hell is with all of these stupid paperclips?"
Paperclips, dirty diapers, Ubuntu discs, the possibilities are endless.
Right into the path of another bullet. Or a truck. Or an electric fence. etc.
You've obviously never been hit with a 5.56 round while wearing ceramic body armour. That little 8 gram bullet is like getting punched. You don't really feel the point of impact, but you are knocked sideways anyway. And the ceramic body armour breaks after only one bullet. After that you are on your own.
To the first person who obtains, and releases into the Microsoft retail store, a dog bearing an uncanny resemblance to the horrible Windows search dog.
Fuck that, I'm letting the paperclip loose.
This is true, I don't dispute it for a minute.
You've seen Spies Like Us, right?
And I will support Microsoft in its complaint if it ever materializes. Why should my tax dollars be used to purposefully enrich a private corporation?
Would you be saying that if your tax dollars went to enriching Red Hat, Novell, or Canonical?
The "grudge" the US right holds towards Cuba has to do with the fact that they hold the belief that because Cuba is next door the US has the right to determine the type of government in Cuba. This is the same "problem" they now have with Venezuela and Bolivia.
The phenomenon is called "sphere of influence" and it actually helps stabilize areas of the world because it helps ensure that conflicting mindsets and governments do not border each other. Not that I think it's right, especially in this case where there are some good tens of kilometers of ocean between Cuba and the US. But think of Eastern Russia, circa 1950-1970.
I can tell that there are a lot of people who are more worried about Israel than Cuba, seeing Cuba isnt even very militaristic country.
Maybe I missed something, but isn't it usually other countries, such as Iraq, Lebanon, or even Hamastan, that shoot missiles and rockets at Israel?
Since when is russia a communist or socialist country?
1917. Just wait a few weeks, I'm sure that kdawson will post it.
Somehow I have a hard time picturing penguins in Cuba.
I don't.
Those penguins depend upon the unusual cool currents welling up from under the ocean. Cuba does not have such currents.
According to TFA, the Russian decision makers agree with you!
Of several Russians that I lived with a few years ago, several speak Chinese and only one speaks fluent English (I am not American either, so not everyone here speaks English). Of course, I do not know what level of Chinese they speak, and the fact that they are from Birobijan (East Russia) may be of influence.
I happen to speak some Russian and I am familiar with the Russian (and Greek) alphabets. I still think that a distro that fosters ties to a neighboring economy as huge as China's would be of great benefit. Of course, I may simply be overestimating the importance of the distro wars!