Please point out where I said that it was the only thing that happened? Oh that's right. I didn't. But to sit here and deny that this case has had a horrible effect on the economy of this country is short-sighted and ludicrous.
I wouldn't expect a 14 year old M$ hater to know anything about high finance after all.
Hopefully, the new judge in the case is a little more intelligent than people who routinely listen to and beleive marketing research.
Please learn something about how the market works.
When MS's stock first fell after they were threatened with a possible breakup, the market began to fall. Each blow against MS was a blow against the tech market as a whole. When people lost faith in MS stock they lost faith in the tech stocks. As the tech stocks fell so did the rest of the market as people begin to panic.
There is no marketing research at work here. If you live in the US you can see it happening every day.
Why don't you ask the laid off tech workers all over the country about what their "market researh" tells them.
What you've really impressed me with is your innovative approach to karma. Oh, also how you are a biter. What happened, the 'real' trolls wouldn't let you on their mailing list, so you run around pretending to be a troll?
The biggest problem is probably training people to use it. At this point it is still a big unknown. We have to wait for everyone to learn how to use it.
But what is being implememnted isn't much better. It's going to have just as many security holes in it, if not more than V6. Why not just work with the new and contend? It's like constantly replacing your cars radiator, while the body rusts out.
RedHat did not "Break Even". And free software or not, either people are going to spend money or they won't. That's the end. If they want free 'as in beer' software, they aren't going to pay for the support, or they may as well pay for MS solutions. So no, this will not help redhat and the like.
guess what? The CD player I bought in 1985 won't play A lot of CD's that are released nowadays. For example, Wierd Al's latest, since it is 'mixed mode'. Is that not an unwanted upgrade? A CD is a CD right? Think before you open your trap.
They even lost their BBBOnline seal. That takes quite a bit of effort. When are these companies going to learn that you can't push the consumer around? Oh yeah that's right. People are too busy pointing out the one or 2 mistakes that TrustE and BBBOnline make to pay attention to the fact that when they say a company sucks, it really does. There is no cure for stupidity folks.
This has been happening for years outside of the computer industry. I have a Stereo system built in 1974 that sounds better than just about anything on the market today. And it is still pumping bass. Anything you buy now is designed to die in a matter of months. This began in the mid-80's with the yuppies having more disposable income, manufacturers realized they could make stuff disposable. That is the same idea here. Everything will be disposable eventually, including computers.
You know, I read the TOS too, and it's pretty clear that they're talking about forum posts and the like:
The Passport Web Site may contain bulletin board services, chat areas, news groups, forums, communities, personal web pages, group calendars, electronic mail postings and/or other message or communication facilities designed to enable you to communicate with the public at large or with a group collectively, ("Communication Services"), you agree to use the Communication Services only to post, send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular Communication Service.
conspicuously absent from the list are communications between individuals.
One issue often overlooked in these things is the problem that plagues some publishers and causes them to reject unsolicited submissions: what the hell do you do when somebody hands you the outline for something very similar to a project you have under development? If you accept it, then you risk accusations later that you're a thief. ("Man, I said last year they oughta' put spellcheck into Explorer! Them bastards stole my idea!") Alternatively, if you simply state that you can use any ideas posted in the forum, then you've covered that possibility and maybe avoided a nuisance suit.
Now if the Reg had bothered to go to Hotmail itself, they might have found this:
It is Hotmail's policy to respect the privacy of its users. Therefore, Hotmail will not monitor, edit, or disclose the contents of a user's private communications unless required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (1) conform to the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on Hotmail; (2) protect and defend the rights or property of Hotmail; or (3) act under exigent circumstances to protect the personal safety of its users or the public.
not ironclad, but probably as good as the ISP through whom they're being accessed.
Look, they keep saying it's gonna close but it's not. Even if it does there is always gnutella. Personally I am a little bored with the whole Napster struggle. The day I can't log in, I move on. Until then I say who cares anymore?
You aren't just paying for x features, although that is part of it. You are paying for service and the name/reputation of the company behind it.
Just like that old phrase says, noone ever got fired for buying Microsoft. The same goes for Oracle.
There is also the faction that will say that MSSQL cannot scale up to what Oracle can. I tend to agree with this line of thinking, but to each his own. In the end, most companies that have the money will end up purchasing something like oracle, just because they know they have a billion dollar company that has proven itself again and again and again.
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That you are exactly the kind of paranoid loon that Linus is dissassociating himself from right?
A little snobbish don't you think mr. 30K?
Still don't want to fight? Fine.
Still think we don't need to kill these people?
Plz Die Thks.
I wouldn't expect a 14 year old M$ hater to know anything about high finance after all.
There is no marketing research at work here. If you live in the US you can see it happening every day.
Why don't you ask the laid off tech workers all over the country about what their "market researh" tells them.
I didn't know who you 'really' were. My bad momo, didn't mean to piss in your punch.
What you've really impressed me with is your innovative approach to karma. Oh, also how you are a biter. What happened, the 'real' trolls wouldn't let you on their mailing list, so you run around pretending to be a troll?
The biggest problem is probably training people to use it. At this point it is still a big unknown. We have to wait for everyone to learn how to use it.
But what is being implememnted isn't much better. It's going to have just as many security holes in it, if not more than V6. Why not just work with the new and contend? It's like constantly replacing your cars radiator, while the body rusts out.
Yes, yes you are. You are a very weak troll. I've been watching you lately. You have been failing miserably to impress anyone.
Get my point son? You usually have something to say but today, nope. You should have stuck with the anonymous Timothy bashing, it's much funnier.
actually, I was referring to the parent of yours. You really should read /. in nested mode.
For a username that low, that was the worst troll I've ever seen. Makes you wonder eh rares?
Get over it son, you'll live longer without all that angst.
RedHat did not "Break Even". And free software or not, either people are going to spend money or they won't. That's the end. If they want free 'as in beer' software, they aren't going to pay for the support, or they may as well pay for MS solutions. So no, this will not help redhat and the like.
guess what? The CD player I bought in 1985 won't play A lot of CD's that are released nowadays. For example, Wierd Al's latest, since it is 'mixed mode'. Is that not an unwanted upgrade? A CD is a CD right? Think before you open your trap.
They even lost their BBBOnline seal. That takes quite a bit of effort. When are these companies going to learn that you can't push the consumer around? Oh yeah that's right. People are too busy pointing out the one or 2 mistakes that TrustE and BBBOnline make to pay attention to the fact that when they say a company sucks, it really does. There is no cure for stupidity folks.
This has been happening for years outside of the computer industry. I have a Stereo system built in 1974 that sounds better than just about anything on the market today. And it is still pumping bass. Anything you buy now is designed to die in a matter of months. This began in the mid-80's with the yuppies having more disposable income, manufacturers realized they could make stuff disposable. That is the same idea here. Everything will be disposable eventually, including computers.
You know, I read the TOS too, and it's pretty clear that they're talking about forum posts and the like:
The Passport Web Site may contain bulletin board services, chat areas, news groups, forums, communities, personal web pages, group calendars, electronic mail postings and/or other message or communication facilities designed to enable you to communicate with the public at large or with a group collectively, ("Communication Services"), you agree to use the Communication Services only to post, send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular Communication Service.
conspicuously absent from the list are communications between individuals.
One issue often overlooked in these things is the problem that plagues some publishers and causes them to reject unsolicited submissions: what the hell do you do when somebody hands you the outline for something very similar to a project you have under development? If you accept it, then you risk accusations later that you're a thief. ("Man, I said last year they oughta' put spellcheck into Explorer! Them bastards stole my idea!") Alternatively, if you simply state that you can use any ideas posted in the forum, then you've covered that possibility and maybe avoided a nuisance suit.
Now if the Reg had bothered to go to Hotmail itself, they might have found this:
It is Hotmail's policy to respect the privacy of its users. Therefore, Hotmail will not monitor, edit, or disclose the contents of a user's private communications unless required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (1) conform to the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on Hotmail; (2) protect and defend the rights or property of Hotmail; or (3) act under exigent circumstances to protect the personal safety of its users or the public.
not ironclad, but probably as good as the ISP through whom they're being accessed.
Check out Starbucks, a large special is 3-4.50.
Can you imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these?
P.B. lives.
Or at least a bunch of people's sigs.
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Look, they keep saying it's gonna close but it's not. Even if it does there is always gnutella. Personally I am a little bored with the whole Napster struggle. The day I can't log in, I move on. Until then I say who cares anymore?
Just like that old phrase says, noone ever got fired for buying Microsoft. The same goes for Oracle.
There is also the faction that will say that MSSQL cannot scale up to what Oracle can. I tend to agree with this line of thinking, but to each his own. In the end, most companies that have the money will end up purchasing something like oracle, just because they know they have a billion dollar company that has proven itself again and again and again.
Just my .02USD
you hit it right on the money . . . adultery also means keeping it a secret from the other person . . .