I love the Wine project, and this is great news, but it really isn't there yet. But don't take my word for it, try out some apps, and see what works and what doesn't!
On the plus side, Photoshop 3.0 works almost flawlessly on my machine, and I've gotten an already installed version of Internet Explorer 4.0 to work once. Also, audio player applications (not media player!) seem to work fairly well.
On the minus side, Explorer doesn't work, and Internet Explorer's network installer won't install. A few programs that require or use networking in their install don't work, (web browsers tend to work) and a *lot* of apps (old and new) are pretty broken.
Incidentally, I'm all for using the "WABI approach" in developing wine: if it works for the most popular apps, it'll probably work for a lot of others. So let's see if we can get Explorer, Internet Explorer, and Media Player working, and get the core Microsoft stuff covered! After that we can start worrying about optimization... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I admit, I *have* had to do that on occasion. But usually if they just do something stupid, (like add an extra parameter to some little call in the filesystem code) I can fix it myself.
I understand the value of that, though, since I added a few features to some code that was going to soon be replaced by a "new and improved" and completely different version. However, that was just a summer job, and therefore not my responsibility now.;)
Also, I can see why, from Linus' perspective, I wouldn't want ReiserFS in the kernel yet: it's huge! It would have to be exceedingly well-documented and friendly to make it in like that, especially this late, because it is very complex for a filesystem. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Why does it have to be official? I'm using ReiserFS on top of software RAID right now, in the 2.4.0-test8 kernel, along with arla and ALSA...
Personally, I don't care if it's officially in the kernel or not; if it works, I'll patch it in; if it doesn't, I won't use it. The old patch for using the PC Speaker as a Sound Card will probably never be in the kernel, but that didn't stop me before...:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Yeah, well, that says a lot about Slashdot, but it also says a lot about the nerd population and demographic as well.
Personally, I have *yet* to find GUIs "usable" in the first place, and I try to keep them as stripped-down as possible. If I find a powerful and useful metaphor that helps me out a lot from the GUI camp, I'll let you know, but so far, I'm not impressed, and I'll continue to program with a text editor, toss files around on a shell, and read my e-mail in text mode...
As for Windows 2000, I haven't used it much, but it sounds like a different set of trade-offs were taken in producing it, and it's getting closer to Unix. They must have made it more stable than '98, since they broke some games and applications that were probably using some buggy stuff in the first place.
Hopefully they'll clean up the API enough to make those apps fast *and* stable eventually, and maybe one day, they'll even keep track of their libraries correctly, or implement some real hard or soft links (i.e. at the filesystem level)! Until then, I'll continue to use Linux. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
"Do not adjust your web browser; we control the horizontal, we control the vertical..."
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I have google. And with google, I can find Deja News, Altavista, yahoo, etc., etc. And with those, I think I've got it fairly well covered.
Incidentally, how could you claim to map the whole web without violating the Robot Exclusion Principle? I guess you could have a staff of people collecting content, but that would take *way* too long. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Even with Quimby being included in this next round of the debates, many candidates are being ignored by the fascist US administration, and I feel the people have the right to know about them!
BRAK, OOG, and Slashdot Cruiser are all viable candidates for the US Presidency. Personally, I was going to vote Nader, but I would much rather vote BRAK, if only to get funding for the Cartoon Network!
It sounds like a lean, mean, stripped-down version of BeOS, perhaps more appropriate for web kiosks at first glance, but who knows? Use it for web pads, or maybe in a car (play mp3's and use MapQuest--sounds like a killer app to me!:), and whatever else they can get their hands on.
In any case, I'd be very happy if BeOS found its niche; it looks like a very good system, and I'd give it yet another try if I had another processor in my box.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
It looks impressive; I haven't tried it yet, but I think the reason it IS making inroads is because it is free AND it doesn't have that much competition for its market. Conversely, BeOS, although also free, isn't doing nearly as well because of the competition it faces.
As much as I love Linux, it would seriously have to be stripped down to compete with QNX; the kernel itself is way too bloated. However, I realize that there *is* an embedded Linux project, and I haven't messed much with that, either, although I'd be very interested to see a comparison.
I think I could cram as much functionality onto a 1.44MB floppy, but I'd probably be using DOS, or a non-X GUI on Linux, to keep it light. (maybe a suite of SVGALib programs instead?) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I have to agree, at least with R.C. Pro Am, Spy Hunter, and Ninja Gaiden; I remember Kung Fu and Double Dragon from the arcades.
I also have Ninja Gaiden 3, actually; they're all awesome. Go Ryu Hayabusa! I can't remember her name, I want to say 'Linda' or 'Jane' or something, but I could check.
Actually, if you liked Ninja Gaiden... do you remember Strider? I loved that game for the NES. The arcade version was pretty, but it came nowhere near the NES version for plot and puzzle solving and whatnot. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The Constitution itself says very little about Copyright, but I agree with you somewhat, because I don't see where the "Artist" is being represented here, so I doubt their interests are being protected. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I agree, those are all great games; I beat Super Mario Bros. at least 50 times, and one time I beat it like 4 or 5 times in a row. (nothing else happens after the mushroom guys (Goombas?) turn into bullet-proof guys) I wasn't nearly as good at Blaster Master or Contra, but they were both a lot of fun; Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-(Select) -Start.:)
I also loved Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, the Zeldas, the other Marios (or at least Mario 3), and also Castlevania II had great music.
...but I was trying to ignore those games, because I don't own any of them.:( --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Unix is no longer an operating system. An operating system is the software that comes with a computer (or OS distribution) that programmers and users need to make themselves productive.
Wow, what a subjective definition! That means that my computer has no operating system, and most people I know don't have an operating system either, at least until they figure out how to use their computers...
Firstly, I *bought* my computer without an operating system; it had a BIOS and some blank hard drives. I did a network install of Linux, and I'm using it now to write this post. Incidentally, yes, Netscape Communicator was included in that network install. However, this isn't an operating system because, guess what, it didn't "come with my computer". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to surf the web without an OS.
But wait, it gets better! If I run Windows on this machine, it isn't an OS for *TWO* reasons; not only did it not come with my computer, but it also doesn't contain the productivity software I need! I mean, really, where's my C compiler? That goes double for MacOS; WHERE'S MY COMMAND PROMPT???
Therefore, by this argument, I'd consider a pre-installed Unix box the ONLY Operating System out there, at least for me. Now that I know that the definition is so subjective. I'm assuming that these boxes must be pre-installed at the factory or something, and must have the C compilers, word processors, etc., etc., all bundled in, because of course you couldn't install software LATER. That's just too hard... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
We do this because this is the curse of the Amiga.
Click on that stupid Amiga Icon, and read through the stories, and see exactly HOW MUCH vapor has been spewed on this topic, and HOW MANY of their plans have never materialized.
...then you might start to understand why we take all our Amiga stories with a decent-sized glacier of salt. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The extraordinary age of the bacterium also begs the question of whether organisms can survive long enough to travel between planets.
Anyone remember The Blob? That's how it started. I hate it when Science interferes with good ol' Science Fiction, but it always happens... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The really pathetic thing is, though, that the *last* version didn't do that! However, my heart goes out to all those poor techies that tried to make that crap work, (sorry, James, NT just sucks sometimes...:) because all I've seen it do is eat memory and waste cycles.
Remember, folks, if all you need to do is use Word, then "add Office; Word"; I like having 1 GB of RAM!;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I just use fvwm2 on Linux, Solaris, and everything else, (except for NT, of course...) so I don't see what the problem is.
However, I didn't learn how to change my window manager from E115, either, so *that* could be a problem. Solution: they need to teach that.
Otherwise, send a zephyr to instance 'help', and hopefully someone will hear you crying out in the wilderness. I *know* they teach that in E115... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I'm an NCSU student, and I have to give this news a fully qualified "Huh?".
Yes, we have some boxes running "EOS/Linux" now, yes, they're based around Red Hat, yes it has some problems.
Of course, it's better than the NT realm configuration (I don't know *where* that came from!) that the OTHER Dells on campus have, but it isn't as stable as the Solaris boxes yet.
Some of this is just how the kit is put together, (Katz and 'jag could fix that easily--tighten the LILO configuration some, and make/tmp larger are my two suggestions for now) and some of this is tougher. I'd prefer a *real* fix for the 16-bit UID problem, rather than just trying to cram them all into 16 bits, (we have a lot of accounts here at NCSU) but that would require a kernel patch, and could break other things, including potentially a lot of userland programs. But this is a fix that I imagine a lot of people will need eventually, and might help the adoption of Linux into large businesses organizations. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
First, I'm more interested in their opinion on it than I am on my opinion on it.
Second, no thanks, I already looked at the source for nano today, and it's ugly. (some kind of filestructure / linked list is used to store the data; I gather there could be some problems with files with many lines, both in seeking and in memory usage, but I'm not sure yet...)
Third, it was yesterday's conversation that prompted my question in the first place.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
What data structure do you use to store the text internally, and why? What trade-offs exist in your approach? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The links are the best part: dynamically updated routing, based on your position. Mmm...
I hope to be able to use this someday, at least with a web pad. I don't want to mess with a laptop, because they're too small and cramped, but a wireless webpad appeals to me. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Well, once hardware like this is readily available, that'll be the next step: making the underlying OS more multithreaded. That should solve most of the performance bottlenecks right there.
BeOS should have no problems, and Linux should do better now with glibc...
I think a model like this would be better served with processes rather than threads; in all of these systems, will there be unified access to memory? I know the POWER4 will have it, since this is just a beast of a CPU grafted onto a traditional computer, but I can see problems in any NUMA system, where the memory for one thread might be closer to a separate processor. I guess they'll have to take that into consideration as well, for systems like that... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
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I love the Wine project, and this is great news, but it really isn't there yet. But don't take my word for it, try out some apps, and see what works and what doesn't!
On the plus side, Photoshop 3.0 works almost flawlessly on my machine, and I've gotten an already installed version of Internet Explorer 4.0 to work once. Also, audio player applications (not media player!) seem to work fairly well.
On the minus side, Explorer doesn't work, and Internet Explorer's network installer won't install. A few programs that require or use networking in their install don't work, (web browsers tend to work) and a *lot* of apps (old and new) are pretty broken.
Incidentally, I'm all for using the "WABI approach" in developing wine: if it works for the most popular apps, it'll probably work for a lot of others. So let's see if we can get Explorer, Internet Explorer, and Media Player working, and get the core Microsoft stuff covered! After that we can start worrying about optimization...
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Hey, nothing wrong with the bottom-up approach; that's what the mathematician would do.
:)
Either that, or they already "know" you're not a criminal, eh?
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I admit, I *have* had to do that on occasion. But usually if they just do something stupid, (like add an extra parameter to some little call in the filesystem code) I can fix it myself.
;)
I understand the value of that, though, since I added a few features to some code that was going to soon be replaced by a "new and improved" and completely different version. However, that was just a summer job, and therefore not my responsibility now.
Also, I can see why, from Linus' perspective, I wouldn't want ReiserFS in the kernel yet: it's huge! It would have to be exceedingly well-documented and friendly to make it in like that, especially this late, because it is very complex for a filesystem.
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Why does it have to be official? I'm using ReiserFS on top of software RAID right now, in the 2.4.0-test8 kernel, along with arla and ALSA...
:)
Personally, I don't care if it's officially in the kernel or not; if it works, I'll patch it in; if it doesn't, I won't use it. The old patch for using the PC Speaker as a Sound Card will probably never be in the kernel, but that didn't stop me before...
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Yeah, well, that says a lot about Slashdot, but it also says a lot about the nerd population and demographic as well.
Personally, I have *yet* to find GUIs "usable" in the first place, and I try to keep them as stripped-down as possible. If I find a powerful and useful metaphor that helps me out a lot from the GUI camp, I'll let you know, but so far, I'm not impressed, and I'll continue to program with a text editor, toss files around on a shell, and read my e-mail in text mode...
As for Windows 2000, I haven't used it much, but it sounds like a different set of trade-offs were taken in producing it, and it's getting closer to Unix. They must have made it more stable than '98, since they broke some games and applications that were probably using some buggy stuff in the first place.
Hopefully they'll clean up the API enough to make those apps fast *and* stable eventually, and maybe one day, they'll even keep track of their libraries correctly, or implement some real hard or soft links (i.e. at the filesystem level)! Until then, I'll continue to use Linux.
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"Do not adjust your web browser; we control the horizontal, we control the vertical..."
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I have google. And with google, I can find Deja News, Altavista, yahoo, etc., etc. And with those, I think I've got it fairly well covered.
Incidentally, how could you claim to map the whole web without violating the Robot Exclusion Principle? I guess you could have a staff of people collecting content, but that would take *way* too long.
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Even with Quimby being included in this next round of the debates, many candidates are being ignored by the fascist US administration, and I feel the people have the right to know about them!
BRAK, OOG, and Slashdot Cruiser are all viable candidates for the US Presidency. Personally, I was going to vote Nader, but I would much rather vote BRAK, if only to get funding for the Cartoon Network!
So, in this election, vote your conscience.
ALL HAIL BRAK!
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Tim, at first I didn't get it, but now I see how clever you really are!
"Mmm... DoughNIX!"
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No, I hadn't, but it sounds fascinating. (especially check out the datasheet)
:), and whatever else they can get their hands on.
:)
It sounds like a lean, mean, stripped-down version of BeOS, perhaps more appropriate for web kiosks at first glance, but who knows? Use it for web pads, or maybe in a car (play mp3's and use MapQuest--sounds like a killer app to me!
In any case, I'd be very happy if BeOS found its niche; it looks like a very good system, and I'd give it yet another try if I had another processor in my box.
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It looks impressive; I haven't tried it yet, but I think the reason it IS making inroads is because it is free AND it doesn't have that much competition for its market. Conversely, BeOS, although also free, isn't doing nearly as well because of the competition it faces.
As much as I love Linux, it would seriously have to be stripped down to compete with QNX; the kernel itself is way too bloated. However, I realize that there *is* an embedded Linux project, and I haven't messed much with that, either, although I'd be very interested to see a comparison.
I think I could cram as much functionality onto a 1.44MB floppy, but I'd probably be using DOS, or a non-X GUI on Linux, to keep it light. (maybe a suite of SVGALib programs instead?)
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I have to agree, at least with R.C. Pro Am, Spy Hunter, and Ninja Gaiden; I remember Kung Fu and Double Dragon from the arcades.
I also have Ninja Gaiden 3, actually; they're all awesome. Go Ryu Hayabusa! I can't remember her name, I want to say 'Linda' or 'Jane' or something, but I could check.
Actually, if you liked Ninja Gaiden... do you remember Strider? I loved that game for the NES. The arcade version was pretty, but it came nowhere near the NES version for plot and puzzle solving and whatnot.
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The Constitution itself says very little about Copyright, but I agree with you somewhat, because I don't see where the "Artist" is being represented here, so I doubt their interests are being protected.
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I agree, those are all great games; I beat Super Mario Bros. at least 50 times, and one time I beat it like 4 or 5 times in a row. (nothing else happens after the mushroom guys (Goombas?) turn into bullet-proof guys) I wasn't nearly as good at Blaster Master or Contra, but they were both a lot of fun; Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A-(Select) -Start. :)
:(
I also loved Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, the Zeldas, the other Marios (or at least Mario 3), and also Castlevania II had great music.
...but I was trying to ignore those games, because I don't own any of them.
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Tell me when I can legally play all the NES games... :(
:)
Oh well, at least I own Metroid, Mega Man, and Mega Man 2. That's all that *really* matters, right?
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Wow, what a subjective definition! That means that my computer has no operating system, and most people I know don't have an operating system either, at least until they figure out how to use their computers...
Firstly, I *bought* my computer without an operating system; it had a BIOS and some blank hard drives. I did a network install of Linux, and I'm using it now to write this post. Incidentally, yes, Netscape Communicator was included in that network install. However, this isn't an operating system because, guess what, it didn't "come with my computer". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to surf the web without an OS.
But wait, it gets better! If I run Windows on this machine, it isn't an OS for *TWO* reasons; not only did it not come with my computer, but it also doesn't contain the productivity software I need! I mean, really, where's my C compiler? That goes double for MacOS; WHERE'S MY COMMAND PROMPT???
Therefore, by this argument, I'd consider a pre-installed Unix box the ONLY Operating System out there, at least for me. Now that I know that the definition is so subjective. I'm assuming that these boxes must be pre-installed at the factory or something, and must have the C compilers, word processors, etc., etc., all bundled in, because of course you couldn't install software LATER. That's just too hard...
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We do this because this is the curse of the Amiga.
Click on that stupid Amiga Icon, and read through the stories, and see exactly HOW MUCH vapor has been spewed on this topic, and HOW MANY of their plans have never materialized.
...then you might start to understand why we take all our Amiga stories with a decent-sized glacier of salt.
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Anyone remember The Blob? That's how it started. I hate it when Science interferes with good ol' Science Fiction, but it always happens...
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The really pathetic thing is, though, that the *last* version didn't do that! However, my heart goes out to all those poor techies that tried to make that crap work, (sorry, James, NT just sucks sometimes... :) because all I've seen it do is eat memory and waste cycles.
;)
Remember, folks, if all you need to do is use Word, then "add Office; Word"; I like having 1 GB of RAM!
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I just use fvwm2 on Linux, Solaris, and everything else, (except for NT, of course...) so I don't see what the problem is.
However, I didn't learn how to change my window manager from E115, either, so *that* could be a problem. Solution: they need to teach that.
Otherwise, send a zephyr to instance 'help', and hopefully someone will hear you crying out in the wilderness. I *know* they teach that in E115...
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I'm an NCSU student, and I have to give this news a fully qualified "Huh?".
/tmp larger are my two suggestions for now) and some of this is tougher. I'd prefer a *real* fix for the 16-bit UID problem, rather than just trying to cram them all into 16 bits, (we have a lot of accounts here at NCSU) but that would require a kernel patch, and could break other things, including potentially a lot of userland programs. But this is a fix that I imagine a lot of people will need eventually, and might help the adoption of Linux into large businesses organizations.
Yes, we have some boxes running "EOS/Linux" now, yes, they're based around Red Hat, yes it has some problems.
Of course, it's better than the NT realm configuration (I don't know *where* that came from!) that the OTHER Dells on campus have, but it isn't as stable as the Solaris boxes yet.
Some of this is just how the kit is put together, (Katz and 'jag could fix that easily--tighten the LILO configuration some, and make
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First, I'm more interested in their opinion on it than I am on my opinion on it.
:)
Second, no thanks, I already looked at the source for nano today, and it's ugly. (some kind of filestructure / linked list is used to store the data; I gather there could be some problems with files with many lines, both in seeking and in memory usage, but I'm not sure yet...)
Third, it was yesterday's conversation that prompted my question in the first place.
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What data structure do you use to store the text internally, and why? What trade-offs exist in your approach?
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However, here's the best one:
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The links are the best part: dynamically updated routing, based on your position. Mmm...
I hope to be able to use this someday, at least with a web pad. I don't want to mess with a laptop, because they're too small and cramped, but a wireless webpad appeals to me.
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Well, once hardware like this is readily available, that'll be the next step: making the underlying OS more multithreaded. That should solve most of the performance bottlenecks right there.
BeOS should have no problems, and Linux should do better now with glibc...
I think a model like this would be better served with processes rather than threads; in all of these systems, will there be unified access to memory? I know the POWER4 will have it, since this is just a beast of a CPU grafted onto a traditional computer, but I can see problems in any NUMA system, where the memory for one thread might be closer to a separate processor. I guess they'll have to take that into consideration as well, for systems like that...
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