Dude, Jesus was nailed to some 2x4's for trying to teach truth, according to you guys. I'd think that this sort of behavior would confirm a belief in Jesus, or at least a desire to imitate the Romans, and show that "God" approves of executing free-thinkers to eventually save humanity from themselves. Or something, it doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe that's why I'm not a Christian.;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I'm using a K6/300, and I also tested it out on a 300Mhz UltraSparc.
Calls to gettimeofday? Randomizing, are we?:)
What are you using for development? Linux / gcc, or something completely different? Oh heck I'll just send you e-mail again.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Dude, no one has forgotten about C.S. Lewis, okay? He wrote some very popular children's books, and even though at the end of the seventh book, his rabid Christian agenda leaks through into the Fantasy world, they're still very good books, and I'd still recommend them to any open-minded person interested in fantasy.
You could sooner say that we've forgotten about Jon Katz or Charles Babbage or Nicola Tesla than C.S. Lewis - he has a much larger following, IMO. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Also, he'd have to be special to be on a talk-show. Flamboyant intellectual of 4 centuries ago just doesn't cut it. He had to be abducted by aliens and forced into weight-loss programs to get on Town Talk!:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I like Brin, I was just mentioning that Earth was probably my favorite future prediction novel, but... what is he saying here?
That if this guy got teleported into the present, he'd adjust with alacrity, go online, try to gain his noteriety through flamboyance and strange opinions, and become... the most famous Slashdot troll of all? Bruno, thy name is MEEPT!!! --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Of course people you meet on the net are people. Yes, online friends are friends.
If I talk to you over the phone and tell you my life story, did we talk? What kind of stupid question is that? Why should e-mail be any different? I've known people who break up over e-mail. Does that mean they're still going out? Geez.
And the Wired article is hilarious! Also in the news: people who have been living for longer tend to die sooner! Oh my god!;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
This one. Since I told you about it, send me $50 if you win or something.;)
Anyhow, I wrote my entry in C on Linux, it's like under 4k and runs in 80ms. I think the last version I submitted actually works correctly too, which really matters more. But it's a pretty simple problem. I just didn't want to change my simple algorithm any more.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I need to get a copy of the Art of Computer Programming sometime. Then I can stop skimming it in Barnes & Noble. Better that than Knuth's Big Dummies Guide to Visual Basic. (I only got it for the TrueType fonts...);)
Typesetting programs are a Unix tradition. (TeX -- hey, at least it's not roff.) But it's really interesting to hear about the internals from Knuth. I'm pretty impressed, that man makes anything sound interesting.
I'm amused that Knuth had features in TeX that Adobe couldn't implement without just using the same algorithm. He's just the algorithm man... I guess people still write books in TeX because it works well, not just because they're really old.;)
Oh well, I really wanted to read the rest of that, but it's slashdotted now. Mirror? Someone? Please? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I figured sethi probably didn't really take up space, since they have to use it all the time--but it still looks ugly. Not as ugly as having variable length instructions, I guess.
Yeah, I was talking about your average integer stuff, using gcc on x86 and cc on the Sparc, probably bottlenecked on I/O. (for a programming contest, actually.)
I wouldn't want to use my K6 for hardcore floating-point stuff, no, then I'd want an Athlon (or if I could afford it, an Alpha, but it shows that AMD is using Alpha technology...).:)
None of the architectures are really 'pure' anymore, instructions that retire in one cycle are getting more complicated these days, (and a lot of x86 instructions can do that now, but never on the 8086!) and we're using all kinds of weird optimization tricks, internal micro-ops, etc. But since CISC and RISC are pretty much theoretical anyhow, I'd still argue that CISC makes for simpler assemblers and RISC makes for simpler chips / decoding logic.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I'm talking about binary compatibility. I think it's on topic, and apparently a couple of people have found it interesting. I think I sufficiently developed my analogy, and explained why binary compatibility (for the OS or the hardware platform or both) can be a bad thing.
About that last part, I completely agree. There's nothing wrong with moderating my posts, but I would rather get replies instead. And the only replies I've gotten have been Anonymous (which would have been understandable, if a moderator wanted to reply) and they were either unintelligible (repeated part of my post, and nothing else) or inflammatory (but maybe we'll still have a good discussion). So understand if I'm not really thrilled with Anonymous Coward, but at least he replies to my posts.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I must admit, I've never programmed for ARM, I like x86, but there are still a lot of instructions I don't use. (but a few of them can really come in handy, like xchg) I wouldn't mind if the x86 had more registers, but it still does a pretty good job with what it has, anyhow.
Also, I find x86 code readable, and looking at a relatively clean RISC design, (based on what I know about RISC processors) Sparc assembler for instance looks pretty nasty. It uses three registers per instruction, so it doesn't have a mov: it just or's with a register that's always zero instead. When it branches, it also executes the instruction after the branch. Also, you constantly end up specifying which 16 bits of a 32-bit number you want to look at, and possibly or-ing the darn thing back together.
Blah blah blah fixed length instructions blah blah blah retiring in a single cycle... Maybe I'm just not used to it, or I shouldn't read optimized compiler output in my spare time, but that looks like a kludge to me. And performance seems pretty similar. (from the little benchmarking I've done, my K6/300 offers similar performance to a 300Mhz UltraSparc, and my computer is a lot cheaper.) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I sent an e-mail to the FCC about this ridiculous policy, but I never got a real answer.
I guess I should have sent them 18 diskettes and cover letters and stuff in every format known to man so they could read it.:| --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Yeah, guys, I know, I know. But back to the somewhat similar part:
If Transmeta opened that source, we'd have a look at how to convert our current x86 instructions into VLIW instructions. This would be interesting information for anyone trying to run x86 code on a VLIW chip decently, or anyone writing a C compiler for a VLIW chip looking for optimization tips.
(if we didn't already have a compiler, one approach would be to take something like egcs which optimizes for x86 very well, and use Transmeta's code as a VLIW back-end, maybe have it do some "profiling" as well.)
I also realize that all VLIW chips are not created equal, I know nothing about IA64 internals, I know they're supposed to try emulating x86 stuff anyhow. But this sort of experience would be helpful.
And I don't want Transmeta to have to give away their product. I'm just pointing out how useful their researches would be in a similar endeavor. I'm sure their experience will come in handy for them soon, either on their platforms, or someone else's. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Linux could use to learn a thing or two from this... Wouldn't it be great when people said "We're considering doing a Linux port of XYZ Commercial Software", it ran on platforms besides x86? Now, a lot of apps do, but there's nothing wrong with a few more.
Being locked permanently into x86 binary compatibility would suck (although the Crusoe sounds pretty cool here), just as being locked into Linux binary comatibility would suck.
It reminds me of a fortune (the specs are somewhat dated, but multiply by the relevant ones by 16 or so and bear with me):
Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300. What's the first question that the computer community asks?
On a chip this weird, we'll need the compiler. The fact that it's open source is awesome. That's just as cool as if Transmeta made their code-morphing software open source... (just so people understand, these are somewhat similar issues) Actually, maybe Transmeta could work on fast x86 translation for running natively on these platforms. I don't know if it'd be faster or better than the emulation or not.
CISC was made to make the assembler programmer's life easier. RISC was made to make the hardware manufacturer's life easier. VLIW was made to eke out more speed without using different (increasingly weird) techniques. I don't think it makes anyone's life particularly easy except for perhaps the end user. But I know it will make the compiler writer's lives hell.:)
My take on it is that by executing instructions in parallel by design, you can avoid the bother of reordering so many instructions on the fly, and trust the compiler to do a good job the first time. Therefore, good compilers will be cruicial to the speed improvements with this new platform. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
That's an excellent idea, and we were talking about this a while back, too.
I learned about computers from the Apple II's in my elementary school, and I'm fortunate that my parents bought me that Commodore 64 not long afterwards.
I've been hooked ever since, and I'd love to know more women who had the same experience. They didn't seem to share our obsession with them at the time, and everyone who "didn't get it" saw the computer class more as a glorified-typewriter class, I guess. I hope they know better now.
If it weren't for that introduction, I don't know what I'd be doing now, but I know I wouldn't be as happy about it, or as good at it. Some people are just born to work with computers, and if they don't find that out until its too late, it's a real shame. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Watch out Wah, I said the same thing in a story posting, and I got flamed for it. However, at least we had some good discussion...
And yes, there definitely aren't enough women in Computer Science. Why? Because of MTV. It's all their fault. All they have to do is have Britney Spears come on there and say "Hi, I'm Britney Spears, and I think hashing is really sexy, so go meet those hot geeks in your Computer Labs", and we wouldn't have this problem...;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
That's not new, and it's not very different from an idea.
However, it is an idea put forth by my favorite movie: Pump Up The Volume. The truth is like a virus, because it spreads...
"I like the idea that a voice can just go somewhere uninvited and just kind of hang out like a dirty thought in a nice clean mind.Maybe a thought is like a virus. You know, it can just kill all the healthy thoughts and just take over. That would be serious." --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
This started to happen in political campaigns, just because the mudslinging was so obvious, and the voters were offended. But it doesn't always work that way.
I'm amazed that Offspring was blocked. Anyone who actually listens to the words (and that's what this is about, right? Lyrics, getting your message across...) knows that Offspring is a lot less malicious than these people. Or maybe they're just really bad at math. Either way, I don't want them controlling what content I see.
"When will the world listen to reason / I have a feeling it'll be a long time / When will the truth come into season / I have a feeling it'll be a long time..." - Offspring
Yeah, it is kinda catchy. Too bad, really.:| --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Slashdot Mirror
Oh wait, I could have just read freshmeat.
What's supposed to be in 2.4, anyhow? SMP updates? Maybe my TV card will work better...
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Dude, Jesus was nailed to some 2x4's for trying to teach truth, according to you guys. I'd think that this sort of behavior would confirm a belief in Jesus, or at least a desire to imitate the Romans, and show that "God" approves of executing free-thinkers to eventually save humanity from themselves. Or something, it doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe that's why I'm not a Christian. ;)
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I'm using a K6/300, and I also tested it out on a 300Mhz UltraSparc.
:)
:)
Calls to gettimeofday? Randomizing, are we?
What are you using for development? Linux / gcc, or something completely different? Oh heck I'll just send you e-mail again.
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Dude, no one has forgotten about C.S. Lewis, okay? He wrote some very popular children's books, and even though at the end of the seventh book, his rabid Christian agenda leaks through into the Fantasy world, they're still very good books, and I'd still recommend them to any open-minded person interested in fantasy.
You could sooner say that we've forgotten about Jon Katz or Charles Babbage or Nicola Tesla than C.S. Lewis - he has a much larger following, IMO.
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Sounds like a Gauntlet quote to me...
:)
"Someone shot the food!"
Also, he'd have to be special to be on a talk-show. Flamboyant intellectual of 4 centuries ago just doesn't cut it. He had to be abducted by aliens and forced into weight-loss programs to get on Town Talk!
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I like Brin, I was just mentioning that Earth was probably my favorite future prediction novel, but... what is he saying here?
That if this guy got teleported into the present, he'd adjust with alacrity, go online, try to gain his noteriety through flamboyance and strange opinions, and become... the most famous Slashdot troll of all? Bruno, thy name is MEEPT!!!
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Of course people you meet on the net are people. Yes, online friends are friends.
;)
If I talk to you over the phone and tell you my life story, did we talk? What kind of stupid question is that? Why should e-mail be any different? I've known people who break up over e-mail. Does that mean they're still going out? Geez.
And the Wired article is hilarious! Also in the news: people who have been living for longer tend to die sooner! Oh my god!
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Heh heh heh.
;)
:)
This one. Since I told you about it, send me $50 if you win or something.
Anyhow, I wrote my entry in C on Linux, it's like under 4k and runs in 80ms. I think the last version I submitted actually works correctly too, which really matters more. But it's a pretty simple problem. I just didn't want to change my simple algorithm any more.
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This site can't be slashdotted already! Aw man...
;)
;)
I need to get a copy of the Art of Computer Programming sometime. Then I can stop skimming it in Barnes & Noble. Better that than Knuth's Big Dummies Guide to Visual Basic. (I only got it for the TrueType fonts...)
Typesetting programs are a Unix tradition. (TeX -- hey, at least it's not roff.) But it's really interesting to hear about the internals from Knuth. I'm pretty impressed, that man makes anything sound interesting.
I'm amused that Knuth had features in TeX that Adobe couldn't implement without just using the same algorithm. He's just the algorithm man... I guess people still write books in TeX because it works well, not just because they're really old.
Oh well, I really wanted to read the rest of that, but it's slashdotted now. Mirror? Someone? Please?
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Thanks for the informative reply.
:)
:)
I figured sethi probably didn't really take up space, since they have to use it all the time--but it still looks ugly. Not as ugly as having variable length instructions, I guess.
Yeah, I was talking about your average integer stuff, using gcc on x86 and cc on the Sparc, probably bottlenecked on I/O. (for a programming contest, actually.)
I wouldn't want to use my K6 for hardcore floating-point stuff, no, then I'd want an Athlon (or if I could afford it, an Alpha, but it shows that AMD is using Alpha technology...).
None of the architectures are really 'pure' anymore, instructions that retire in one cycle are getting more complicated these days, (and a lot of x86 instructions can do that now, but never on the 8086!) and we're using all kinds of weird optimization tricks, internal micro-ops, etc. But since CISC and RISC are pretty much theoretical anyhow, I'd still argue that CISC makes for simpler assemblers and RISC makes for simpler chips / decoding logic.
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Hey, Taco isn't stupid. That's why he's using Perl, instead of reinventing the wheel. :)
:)
No, but I think the size of their egos might be directly proportional to the popularity of their website. Think about it...
Hey, I'm not Bruce Perens too! (he's bp -- I'm pb.
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I would have to suggest -Wdammit for that, case-insensitive. (-WDAMMIT :)
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That's why no one gives you mod points. :)
:)
I'm talking about binary compatibility. I think it's on topic, and apparently a couple of people have found it interesting. I think I sufficiently developed my analogy, and explained why binary compatibility (for the OS or the hardware platform or both) can be a bad thing.
About that last part, I completely agree. There's nothing wrong with moderating my posts, but I would rather get replies instead. And the only replies I've gotten have been Anonymous (which would have been understandable, if a moderator wanted to reply) and they were either unintelligible (repeated part of my post, and nothing else) or inflammatory (but maybe we'll still have a good discussion). So understand if I'm not really thrilled with Anonymous Coward, but at least he replies to my posts.
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I must admit, I've never programmed for ARM, I like x86, but there are still a lot of instructions I don't use. (but a few of them can really come in handy, like xchg) I wouldn't mind if the x86 had more registers, but it still does a pretty good job with what it has, anyhow.
Also, I find x86 code readable, and looking at a relatively clean RISC design, (based on what I know about RISC processors) Sparc assembler for instance looks pretty nasty. It uses three registers per instruction, so it doesn't have a mov: it just or's with a register that's always zero instead. When it branches, it also executes the instruction after the branch. Also, you constantly end up specifying which 16 bits of a 32-bit number you want to look at, and possibly or-ing the darn thing back together.
Blah blah blah fixed length instructions blah blah blah retiring in a single cycle... Maybe I'm just not used to it, or I shouldn't read optimized compiler output in my spare time, but that looks like a kludge to me. And performance seems pretty similar. (from the little benchmarking I've done, my K6/300 offers similar performance to a 300Mhz UltraSparc, and my computer is a lot cheaper.)
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Oh man, the government always does that crap.
:|
I sent an e-mail to the FCC about this ridiculous policy, but I never got a real answer.
I guess I should have sent them 18 diskettes and cover letters and stuff in every format known to man so they could read it.
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Yeah, guys, I know, I know. But back to the somewhat similar part:
If Transmeta opened that source, we'd have a look at how to convert our current x86 instructions into VLIW instructions. This would be interesting information for anyone trying to run x86 code on a VLIW chip decently, or anyone writing a C compiler for a VLIW chip looking for optimization tips.
(if we didn't already have a compiler, one approach would be to take something like egcs which optimizes for x86 very well, and use Transmeta's code as a VLIW back-end, maybe have it do some "profiling" as well.)
I also realize that all VLIW chips are not created equal, I know nothing about IA64 internals, I know they're supposed to try emulating x86 stuff anyhow. But this sort of experience would be helpful.
And I don't want Transmeta to have to give away their product. I'm just pointing out how useful their researches would be in a similar endeavor. I'm sure their experience will come in handy for them soon, either on their platforms, or someone else's.
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I completely agree.
But maybe that's because I just said this.
Posting mistake?
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This shouldn't take too much work, right guys?
;)
(remember "I just typed 'make'"?
Linux could use to learn a thing or two from this... Wouldn't it be great when people said "We're considering doing a Linux port of XYZ Commercial Software", it ran on platforms besides x86? Now, a lot of apps do, but there's nothing wrong with a few more.
Being locked permanently into x86 binary compatibility would suck (although the Crusoe sounds pretty cool here), just as being locked into Linux binary comatibility would suck.
It reminds me of a fortune (the specs are somewhat dated, but multiply by the relevant ones by 16 or so and bear with me):
Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has
a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk
storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on
voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300.
What's the first question that the computer community asks?
"Is it PC compatible?"
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On a chip this weird, we'll need the compiler. The fact that it's open source is awesome. That's just as cool as if Transmeta made their code-morphing software open source... (just so people understand, these are somewhat similar issues) Actually, maybe Transmeta could work on fast x86 translation for running natively on these platforms. I don't know if it'd be faster or better than the emulation or not.
:)
CISC was made to make the assembler programmer's life easier. RISC was made to make the hardware manufacturer's life easier. VLIW was made to eke out more speed without using different (increasingly weird) techniques. I don't think it makes anyone's life particularly easy except for perhaps the end user. But I know it will make the compiler writer's lives hell.
My take on it is that by executing instructions in parallel by design, you can avoid the bother of reordering so many instructions on the fly, and trust the compiler to do a good job the first time. Therefore, good compilers will be cruicial to the speed improvements with this new platform.
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That's an excellent idea, and we were talking about this a while back, too.
I learned about computers from the Apple II's in my elementary school, and I'm fortunate that my parents bought me that Commodore 64 not long afterwards.
I've been hooked ever since, and I'd love to know more women who had the same experience. They didn't seem to share our obsession with them at the time, and everyone who "didn't get it" saw the computer class more as a glorified-typewriter class, I guess. I hope they know better now.
If it weren't for that introduction, I don't know what I'd be doing now, but I know I wouldn't be as happy about it, or as good at it. Some people are just born to work with computers, and if they don't find that out until its too late, it's a real shame.
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Heh heh heh.
;)
Watch out Wah, I said the same thing in a story posting, and I got flamed for it. However, at least we had some good discussion...
And yes, there definitely aren't enough women in Computer Science. Why? Because of MTV. It's all their fault. All they have to do is have Britney Spears come on there and say "Hi, I'm Britney Spears, and I think hashing is really sexy, so go meet those hot geeks in your Computer Labs", and we wouldn't have this problem...
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Anyone else find it funny that Novell used the "cross-platform" WingDings font in their table of how "cross-platform" their stuff is?
:)
Someone tell me what character this is: ü
Man, I hope they didn't make that page with Word.
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That's not new, and it's not very different from an idea.
However, it is an idea put forth by my favorite movie: Pump Up The Volume. The truth is like a virus, because it spreads...
"I like the idea that a voice can just go somewhere uninvited and just kind of hang out like a dirty thought in a nice clean mind.Maybe a thought is like a virus. You know, it can just kill all the healthy thoughts and just take over. That would be serious."
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This started to happen in political campaigns, just because the mudslinging was so obvious, and the voters were offended. But it doesn't always work that way.
:|
I'm amazed that Offspring was blocked. Anyone who actually listens to the words (and that's what this is about, right? Lyrics, getting your message across...) knows that Offspring is a lot less malicious than these people. Or maybe they're just really bad at math. Either way, I don't want them controlling what content I see.
"When will the world listen to reason /
I have a feeling it'll be a long time /
When will the truth come into season /
I have a feeling it'll be a long time..." - Offspring
Yeah, it is kinda catchy. Too bad, really.
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Is that how you get those cool little comments next to your score?
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