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Linux 2.3.46 Released Unto the World
jschauma writes "I just saw on freshmeat that Linux 2.3.46 is out - thought I'd share the news. Freshmeat also has the changelog online. " One step closer to 2.4.
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Oh wait, I could have just read freshmeat.
What's supposed to be in 2.4, anyhow? SMP updates? Maybe my TV card will work better...
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I suggest running a 2.3 kernel.. It's fun. A lot of people don't seem to want to run devel kernels for fear of them crashing - but I've had very, very good luck w/the 2.3 series.
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What ended up getting changed in the tulip driver?
As always, it has to be asked:
Does this merit an article on Slashdot?
Will there be another article when 2.3.47 is released?
I can't wait till the bugs are gone from the 2.3 kernels... I want 2.4!!! First post???
Freshmeat posting news for nerds?
From the it-must-be-a-slow-news-day-dept.
Boy did the Win2000 get ignored today or what?
Cool that a Linux release came today to spoil the "party".
Although this should have us worried:
http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc
Right, Windows 2000 escapes^H^H^H^H^H^H^His released tomorrow, the kernels are close to completion. Hmmm... imminent death of the internet?
Windows 2000 just obliterated SUN and IBM in the TPC Benchmarks so the kernel developers better be working REAL Hard because they are REALLY far behind :)
your TV card may in fact work better.... Gerd has done a lot of work on the bttv driver, but many of the changes aren't merged yet... go to the xawtv site and grab the latest 7.x version of bttv - you may be pleasantly surprised.
(It will work with 2.2.x as well, with some patches)
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make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.46/drivers/block'
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -D__SMP__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DCPU=686 -march=i686 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c ll_rw_blk.c
ll_rw_blk.c:237: warning: static declaration for `generic_plug_device' follows non-static
ll_rw_blk.c: In function `blk_init_queue':
ll_rw_blk.c:256: structure has no member named `back_merges_fn'
ll_rw_blk.c: In function `generic_make_request':
ll_rw_blk.c:682: warning: `__entry' might be used uninitialized in this function
ll_rw_blk.c:950: warning: `entry' might be used uninitialized in this function
ll_rw_blk.c:566: warning: `entry' might be used uninitialized in this function
make[3]: *** [ll_rw_blk.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.46/drivers/block'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.46/drivers/block'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_block] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.46/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
I'm currently repaying a Dept of Education loan, and they're supposed to send me a bill every month. Well, January, they didn't but they later sent a letter claiming it was due to a "printing error" and asked me to pay anyway. A Y2K error seems more likely to me, especially since the DOE is a poorly managed hellhole.
Did anyone else get a "printing error"?
If only because a huge number of naive Linux users out there read slashdot. Apparently, they get confused into thinking that Linux isn't stable because the kernel isn't stable because they're using a development kernel. Aside from arguing the merits of this being posted on slashdot. I do think that it should at least be mentioned that it's a development kernel and so is not as stable as a stable kernel.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
...2.3.978a-ac-dc is far more important news indeed. Gee. Dozen of changes to ancient network drivers and to devfs. I am thrilled.. Come on. THis is business as usual. Win2K launch is not (as much as I dislike the system). Have a sense of perspective.
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devfs is in.
/dev/, 99% of which you don't use (ya sure, I have 20 ide partitions. And 5 sound cards. And 9 SCSI CD-ROM drives...), you mount /dev as devfs, and only see the devices you have. Simplifies life a great deal. More info at the devfs overview. Devfs has existed as a patch for a good time now but Linus had issues with it.
devfs = Device File System. Instead of makedev and having dozens and dozens of device files in
Congratulations to Richard Gooch on his efforts over all this time and his tireless dedication to getting in into the kernel. Hats off to you.
I would be interested to see some opinions on that. I know this is off topic, but isn't the big argument against censorship: "Slashdot is the readers, not the VA corporate control".
things. take. time.
Of course, 2.1 reached triple digits
MrCreosote Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump! "You're right! There isn't enough room to swing a cat in here!"
Forgot to add that it's listed as experimental, so you won't see it in the options if you don't have experimental turned on.
Normally, I agree that announcing the latest development kernel on Slashdot is a little silly - after all, if you're running the devel kernels, you know where to look for them.
However, this kernel release IS newsworthy. Why? Well, take a look at this posting to the linux-kernel mailing list:
[PATCH] devfs v158 available
If you can't be bothered to follow the link, here's the important sentence from that posting: This is the patch that was sent to Linus and included in 2.3.46-pre5. That's right boys and girls, DevFS is now part of the standard Linux kernel. This is wonderful news, and amazingly hasn't yet sparked off any great flamewars on the mailing list (those of you that read the list will know that mentioning DevFS on it has seemed akin to posting about atheism on an evangenical Christian newsgroup). For more information about DevFS, have a look at Richard Gooch's kernal patch page.
I'm still amazed that this has happened.
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Did I miss something? Did Microsoft cancel the W2K launch at the last moment? Did the spooks cover it up? No, everybody else is reporting the news except /.
/. Congratulations. Long live media bias!
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If the W2K launch isn't "News for Nerds", then I'm afraid I don't know what is. A Linux kernel update is "News for Nerds", but the most anticipated OS release in the past two years isn't?
Today is a new low for
(And don't flame me with "but this is a Linux news site" - the site specifically says "News for Nerds", not "News for Linux Nerds".)
Open soure. Closed minds. We are
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This is a rant, but this is not a troll, flamebait, nor is it off-topic. So read with open ears.
I am sick of seeing linux development kernel upgrades posted on Slashdot. I think if Slashdot is going to get in the business of announcing minor software updates, they should announce all software updates. I recognize the need for Slashdot to mention major software upgrades, such as GNOME hitting the 1.0 plateau or KDE hitting the 2.0 plateau, but announcing every single minor development kernel revision is ridiculous. That's why we have places like Freshmeat, and that's why we have things like Freshmeat slashboxes. It's that simple.
But, I can understand how this might be of some value to people who can't figure out how useful Freshmeat is or even know it exists or just plain don't like it. I like people to be constructive, not destructive, so I propose that Rob et al develop a new Slashdot topic like 'kernel-development-update' and make it real specific to development kernel announcements. I like reading about major proposals to the kernel, so that shouldn't be in there, and I certainly don't want to filter out all Linux related news, so Linux development kernel updates shouldn't be under that heading. Give it a cute kernel icon, like a corn kernel or something. It's just inane to make these announcements every week or so for something that is in development. Yes, it's the road to 2.4, but let's wait until we get a 2.4pre kernel or something and the end is in sight. With Linux development kernels having a history of getting into the hundreds in minor version numbers, we don't need these. Freshmeat's good enough.
And for those who are going to say that the universe doesn't revolve around me (and I'm sure you're out there), Stephen Hawking postulated that the universe could be expanding from any point, and so right now, I'm designating that point as me. Call it the Hrunting Corollary.
*wheeze wheeze*
Just edit drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c, and change line 237.
back_merges_fn should read back_merge_fn (IE, remove the 's')
This has been posted to linux-kernel as the fix, and it works for me.
I really don't like lists of changed files. Whatever happened to the good old changelog that says *what* was changed? I much prefer that. Of course, It is more work, and if it really bothered me that much I could do something about it.
See you, space cowboy...
My favorite change going into 2.4 is the halving of the filesystem caching structures. Instead of a read buffer and a write buffer, there is a single buffer. That makes the buffering data files use far less memory. Systems like mine will benefit greatly from this because the key to good performance at my site is getting all the game files in memory to avoid the awful penalty of disk IO. ;)
Other changes are detailed in a story over on Linuxtoday.
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According to linux-kernel, try this:
diff -u linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.orig linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c
--- linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c.orig Wed Feb 16 20:15:56 2000
+++ linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c Wed Feb 16 20:45:56 2000
@@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
INIT_LIST_HEAD(&q->queue_head);
q->elevator = ELEVATOR_DEFAULTS;
q->request_fn = rfn;
- q->back_merges_fn = ll_back_merge_fn;
+ q->back_merge_fn = ll_back_merge_fn;
q->front_merge_fn = ll_front_merge_fn;
q->merge_requests_fn = ll_merge_requests_fn;
q->make_request_fn = NULL;
Well, you get the idea even if it looks like crap on slashdot.
(Original linux-kernel post)
OK, so maybe Freshmeat does post this stuff. Ask yourself, how many servers do you have in your company? Have many drives in the array? Redundancy is OK. If two sites do the same thing, then what's the harm? Slashdot reports on stuff that is on other news sites, but no one says, "Hey, News.com already posted this. Why don't I just check there?"
Why would I want a kernel without crypto support for loop devices built in? ftp.kerneli.org is always waaay behind.
That way, if you really care, you can just go into preferences and turn on the box, so you can see the latest, greatest kernel version.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
Weeeeellll... since VA and Andover are both publicly held, their administration can't do anything that doesn't benefit the stockholders financially. If they *do* do that, they'll get their pants sued off, and lose their jobs.
That would be no good. I don't have any personal opinion on the merger, except that VA now owns both sourceforge and server51, so the only non-VA free development platform-type-site that I know of is openprojects.net. But that's a different point altogether.
Oh, and themes.org and Slashdot are now owned by the same people...isn't that exciting? But, of course, the Andover/VA Linux staff has no say in what gets posted and what doesn't.
Oh wait, roblimo is an editor of AndoverNews. Hrm. He's also been with them for a long time, I do believe.
So are we really to believe that Andover (through roblimo) doesn't have any say in what gets posted on slashdot?
And...what about the guy who posted to the original merger (VA-Andover) thread, from valinux.com, who got an automatic +4(!), without any moderation. Hmm.
Some of it seems a bit suspicious. But that's the way I am sometimes, eh?
-ed fisher.
this
... either.
And for one, I don't get it. NASA news is news for nerds, and its generally about stuff that matters.
But, see, Slashdot stories are selected by Rob and Hemos and the gang. Its stuff that's interesting to them. Thus, Slashdot is a cult of personality - the personalities that are Hemos, CmdrTaco, etc.
So, tough.
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"It just doesn't seem convievable that an 8CPU system from Microsoft could compete head one with one with 64 processors from sun or 128 processors for SGI..."
Why is it inconceivable to you? Because your blind linux zealtry doesnt allow you to believe anything else?
Windows 2000, the most anticipated OS in years is released, and Slashdot *ignores* it. But hey, Linux kernel 2.39.5.xx972b.37-2 alpha release 0.31a whatever is out, and *that's* news. Nobody cares about a development release. Slashdot is just doing this because Windows 2000 was also released today, and Windows is *evil*.
Why don't you inform everybody when the FreeBSD-current releases are updated? Sure, you have a *BSD* section and all, but doesn't these things deserve to go on the front page? Nah, it's not Linux, and anything not written by God (Linus) isn't worthy.
I am sick of seeing linux development kernel upgrades posted on Slashdot. I think if Slashdot is going to get in the business of announcing minor software updates, they should announce all software updates. I recognize the need for Slashdot to mention major software upgrades, such as GNOME hitting the 1.0 plateau or KDE hitting the 2.0 plateau, but announcing every single minor development kernel revision is ridiculous. That's why we have places like Freshmeat, and that's why we have things like Freshmeat slashboxes. It's that simple. But, I can understand how this might be of some value to people who can't figure out how useful Freshmeat is or even know it exists or just plain don't like it. I like people to be constructive, not destructive, so I propose that Rob et al develop a new Slashdot topic like 'kernel-development-update' and make it real specific to development kernel announcements. I like reading about major proposals to the kernel, so that shouldn't be in there, and I certainly don't want to filter out all Linux related news, so Linux development kernel updates shouldn't be under that heading. Give it a cute kernel icon, like a corn kernel or something. It's just inane to make these announcements every week or so for something that is in development. Yes, it's the road to 2.4, but let's wait until we get a 2.4pre kernel or something and the end is in sight. With Linux development kernels having a history of getting into the hundreds in minor version numbers, we don't need these. Freshmeat's good enough. And for those who are going to say that the universe doesn't revolve around me (and I'm sure you're out there), Stephen Hawking postulated that the universe could be expanding from any point, and so right now, I'm designating that point as me. Call it the Hrunting Corollary. *wheeze wheeze* [ Reply to This | Parent ] Yeah, well, there's no NASA news hardly ... by torpor (Score:2) Thursday February 17, @07:27PM EDT How about Kernel Slashboxes? by razvedchik (Score:1) Thursday February 17, @07:24PM EDT If you talk about Freshmeat.... (Score:2) by blogan (slashdotter(at)network(dash)geek(dot)com) on Thursday February 17, @07:19PM EDT (#41) (User Info) http://www.Network-Geek.com/ OK, so maybe Freshmeat does post this stuff. Ask yourself, how many servers do you have in your company? Have many drives in the array? Redundancy is OK. If two sites do the same thing, then what's the harm? Slashdot reports on stuff that is on other news sites, but no one says, "Hey, News.com already posted this. Why don't I just check there?"
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shut up fool. :) w2k "requires" at least a pentium 400 anyway :) [WILD_LAUGHTER]
I think that is a quite naive statement. The history of Andover so far is: They made a bunch of deals, went IPO, and hugely profitted from selling the company. It is not quite clear, if people who actually bought the shares profitted so far, since the stock price went downhill from the start, with a slight bump upwards from the sale to VA Linux.
The question, if something benefits the shareholder is quite murky. The article states the opinion that the Andover deal hurt VA Linux shareholders. VA Linux has a different view on this for sure. Assumed I am a VA Linux shareholder, I guess I have barely a chance to successfully sue VA Linux. IANAL, though.
things. take. time.
Alright, the list time /. posted a kernel release on the board, I defended it saying that an occasional heads up was important for some projects. But this is going a bit far. I was fine with 2.3.41 because it had been a while since the last post, but here's another only .05 releases later? Sure a lot of dev releases are important, but here are a few suggestions that could fix the kernel dev release problem.
1. Definatly announce full releases.
2. Announce and pre- builds like 2.2.0pre9
3. Post about major feature additions.
4. Announce the occasional dev build just to keep people aware of the project.
It would also be more helpful if, instead of saying, here is another dev kernel, people would post about some of the stuff in the kernel, bug-fixes, new feautures, articles about new subsystems, etc. Not everyone is on the kerneldev mailing list you know.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
two points 1. Posting stories about updates serve a purpose because people can disuss in general terms progress towards 2.4 2. BTW I have used 2.3 since ..24, one or two havn't compiled or booted but other than that - rock solid
Slashdot was "hesitant" to post about Yahoo, and other large sites going down due to hackers(the single largest internet event this year) and now when linux version 2.348724892340932503248 gets released it gets a headline.
btw, feel free to correct my usage of hacker.
Aside from that I think it is very clear that these kernels do not undergo even the most cursory testing. The typo in the ll_rw_blah_blah.c means that nobody even tried compiling this kernel before release. If they had that typo would have been caught.
-jwb
The biggest shareholder of Andover is Bruce A. Twickler, the CEO who owns close to 2 million shares. He made $15 million from the cash payment of the sale alone. He must be a happy man.
And then there is the random invester who bought shares in Andover because it is such a cool Linux company. Well, the stock went downhill and he is the one who brought in the actual money that is passed out around here. The random VA Linux invester is in the same boat, that stock price is currently $118 from a $320 high.
things. take. time.
I was there. Here are a few highlights:
* Celebrity guests were Patrick Stewart and the guy who played Peterman on Seinfeld (predictably, there were lots of jokes about "enterprise" and "engage!"). The Peterman guy played a venture capitalist who made a deal with the demonstrator (playing a startup founder) because he was able to show him his business plan on the plane using the IntelliMirror function to replicate his desktop from the server back at the office.
* Lots of focus on plug-and-play, use of the Infra-red port on laptops to transfer files, USB compatibility, and Firewire to transfer files from camcorders. Also focused on DVD capabilities.
* There was a chart with the results of a third-party stress test, which showed that the average uptime for Windows 95 was 2.5 days, NT 4 was 5.4 days, and Windows 2000 was 90 days (and counting...the test machine was still running)
* Gates announced two new TPC-C numbers putting Windows NT/2000 in the #1 and #2 position for transaction processing performance for the first time (the second one, announced today, used a cluster of 12 x 8-way Compaq servers to get over 227,000 tpmC, the highest number previously was IBM with about 150,000 tmpC, at four times the cost of the Windows 2000 system)
* There was a demo of a massive web server cluster running Windows 2000, supposedly capable of handling 1.2 billion hits per day. To prove it, curtains were raised around the auditorium to show that the walls were literally covered with desktop systems, all of which were banging on this cluster.
* The main prop on stage was a giant (i.e. 40' high and wide) laptop. The show closed with the bottom of the laptop lifting up, and underneath was the band Santana, who then broke out playing.
And I remember when everyone was complaining that Slashdot was considering banner ads and what that might do to its editorial integrity. Amazing how times have changed.
BTW, regarding your development sites - www.netpedia.net is a free dev site and works great for me.
OH BOY! I can now go out and spend $800 to set up my web server. And go out and buy a new machine because this 486 is no longer capable of doing the job.
I could never have possibly done this with Linux!
OH BOY!!
I just downloaded 2.3.46 and I can't find any gui in there at all, never mind buggy ones. Which buggy gui are you talking about? the make menuconfig curses gui interface works pretty good since 2.0!
Lars -
...we're all anxiously awaiting 2.4. Every devel kernel release is getting us closer. It's like a countdown. And there's often something about the release that merits discussion (like devfs in this release). Slashdot is really a discussion forum, it's not a news forum.
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Perhaps it does show some bias, but I think it is (if then by accident!) an act of extraordinary clear mindedness to simply ignore what was essentially a media-manipulation exercise. /. has posted many things on W2K in the past, and both sides had their say, and both sides were accordingly moderated up (and down!). I hope and expect that healthy discussion of That Other OS will continue in the future.
But really, what can one say about a product launch? I can see it now. "Oh yeah, and That Company finally really officially actually really said that W2K is out, after we've already been discussing the Gold Release for about two weeks." ;-)
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I was just browsing good ol' slashdot. I clicked on a _read_the_rest_of_this_comment_ link and I got a different comment than the one I had been reading. I looked around a little, comparing the old version of this page in my browser with the newer version. The following posts seem to have been eaten. They do not even show up on the author's user info page. I apologize for not knowing html well enough to make this look a little better.
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1.) posted by Luyseyal
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=L
Re:Woo Hoo! (Score:1)
by Luyseyal (swaters_AT_amicus_DOT_com) on Thursday February 17, @07:11PM EST (#74)
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LWN has some really good information on 2.3.46. can we say devfs??!! can we say new RAID??!! http://lwn.net/2000/0217/kernel.phtml
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Nerds don't run Windows (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @07:13PM EST (#75)
Only lusers run Windows; therefore, it is not "News for Nerds."
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3.) posted by Zurk
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Re:No bias here at
by Zurk (zurk@SPAMSUCKSgeocities.com) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM EST (#76)
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oh bullshit. if you dont like it dont read here dimwit. yes, a kernel change is interesting for some of us if it has been a slow day. windows 2000 is the most anticipated OS for who ? i dont even use the current release.
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4.) posted by mrsam
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Thank you for your support. (Score:1)
by mrsam (sam@email-scan.webcircle.com) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM EST (#77)
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Please post all the usual "Why Are You Announcing Kernel Revisions In Slashdot?" flames in this thread.
Thank you very much.
My fellow Americans, please join me in congratulating Mr. Torvalds with his recent accomplishments. He is an inspiration to all.
Thank you, and God bless.
We had to move the DB to another machine for a moment then move it back. I'm afraid those comments were apprently posted while we were copying the DB back -- we caught most of them but it appears these few slipped in while the copy was happening. Thanks for reposting them. I would moderate you up but since I'm posting here I can't.
Funny that you mention it. Back when Slashdot got a Netfinity server from IBM and people were up in arms about sacrificing integrity for profit. Of course, that was before the whole Linux market hysteria.
Maybe if moderators, or indeed everyone could /.
mark up or down topics/stories, we could prevent
dumb things from being visible to us on
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
Now if this wasnt Slashdot.... news for Linux nerds we might have seen this as a true story.
The one reason I started using Linux 3 years ago was due to the Windows camp ignoring all other OS and technology out there.
I dont like this "boys club" linux is turning in to.
If you actually had the ability to comprehend, then you would understand that I was stating that people probably read the same story on multiple sites, so what's the problem if they read something on Slashdot and Freshmeat?
Not really. All benchmarks should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt, especially TPC-C
Linus would be the first to admitt that Linux is not all things to all people. However fine grain locking in 2.4 should make SMP suck slightly less.
The ProLiant systems were built using 3 clustered boxes each with 32 550MHz(2MB L2 cache) processors. The Alpha tested is not representative of the current state of the art, they were only 21164's at 612MHz. The lastest is a 21264 at 700Mhz with 16MB L2 cache! This which would smoke the Intel based box. Sun is a generation behind in the processor stakes, Ultra Sparc II max out at 400MHz and do not have as much cache so it is not suprising that the system is slower. This should be corrected when the Ultra Sparc III is brought out. It is a testement to Solaris that they are competative at all.
you turd.
My wife threw up today due to her being pregnant. I tried getting CNN.com to post this but they told me
"go post that crap on slashdot. tell them your wife runs linux and they will mod your story up big time"
Does anyone know whether 2.4 will include support for > 2 GB files on 32 bit machines?
It is surprisingly difficult to find a definitive answer on this. I'm aware of the LFS patches at ftp://mea.tmt.tele.fi/linux/LFS/, but I need everything to 'just work', including iostream libraries etc...
In redhat 6.2 or 6.3, what are the chances that a tar cvzf stuff.tgz /data/* will just work without truncating my tarball to 2GB?
There was a chart with the results of a third-party stress test, which showed that the average uptime for Windows 95 was 2.5 days, NT 4 was 5.4 days, and Windows 2000 was 90 days (and counting...the test machine was still running)
You mean all the windows 2000 servers were still running, don't you? I'm assuming they're not finding the "average uptime" by counting how long one machine stays up...
dons asbestos underwear If the kernel dev team are going to release code that doesn't even compile, then we might as well not bother. I want to play with USB stuff, I've got enough of a clue to be able to do it. Let's leave releasing mistakes to our buddies at Redmond guys. And as for the most over-hyped, latest, missing-featured version of Windows being released, what are they supposed to say? 'W2K finally comes out' and then there's a thousand comments under it, 250 being about Natalie Portman/Ninjas or pancakes, and the rest being an almighty flame-war between MS employees and all of us rabid Linux zealots(TM). Slashdot is slow enough already (at least this week) without a load of unnecessary shit. We all knew W2K was coming out today, and there are plenty of other news sites with opinions on the matter.
I wonder if there is more information about this or these particular stress tests. If they are not internal Microsoft tests, it would be interesting to run them on the Linux development kernels.
How much dedicated stress testing do people really do for Linux development kernels? I know Microsoft "prides itself" in the stress tests it runs on its internal NT builds.
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Kurt, Not all the posts made it back after the move. Can you guys refresh or try again??
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
Seems its all a matter of opinion, I for one read a LOT of news sites, and i honestly can say i did not get a hint that win2k was released today. I thought it would get released sometime this week, but i never saw any indication it was today. If it was such a huge release, why report it? seems pretty redundant to me. Same goes for the kernel posting. I don't come to slashdot just so i can get a link back to news.com or cnn.com about some overhyped win2k release, i come to slashdot to get the tech goodies that other news agencies take 6 months to realize whats going on. its all a matter of opinion, you people are WAAY too sensitive. many post without thinking. and a flame war starts. *sigh* too bad... nate aphro@aphroland.org
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Its about time they published the maximum time Windows runs before it has to be rebooted. I still think they are fudging on the w2k number. Just wait until all those third party applications are installed. Oh, wait, there aren't many more third party vendors out there --Microsoft bought them all up!
Try the kernelnotes.org slashbox. It gives the current stable and development kernels as well as the old stable and development (i.e. 2.0.x and 2.1.x), with links to the changelogs and all at kernelnotes.
I say to the MicroSerf whiners, if you want press release fluff and pictures of your Fuhrer Bill, then go to ZDNet or something, they are more than willing to pucker up and kiss his arse. If you want the type of news you can't get at those places, like for instance that the Linux development Kernel has changes foo and bar, you come here. You don't like it, go read MSNBC and be happy. But for petes sake just shut up with the whining. This place was started by Linux geeks for Linux geeks and if you don't like it, go the hell some where else.
Does anyone know when ALSA is going to be merged into the kernel proper? I've been using it for a good 8 months, and the only problems I've had is when they decide to go and rewrite a specific API, thus necessitating a recompile of everything. Is it not going in 2.4?
Shut the hell up you troll? Please?
For what I've just read:
Congratulations Richard, you finally did it.
I know the poster of the message I'm just replying to congratulated you first, but I want to do it either.
Now I hope not to find out that this was not true when I get to compile the kernel....
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I believe that there never was a limit in the filesystem code. I don't know if the OS limitations have been lifted (I suspect they have). But a lot of applications won't "just work" and they won't "just work" on 64-bit machines either.
The problem is that to fix the 2GB limit you need to change every program to understand that they cannot just seek to an integer (or long) location. This kind of type change simply cannot be easily done, there are too many problems that can arise. Therefore even on 64-bit machines many programs only use 32-bit constructs and will require workarounds.
A sample problem? Perl programmers on 64-bit machines are advised not to open large files directly in Perl, but rather to open pipes to and from processes that can read and write the files. Fixing that requires compiling perl (the program is lower case) with still-experimental 64-bit support. There is nothing that could possibly be done at the OS level about this - the issues are internal to how perl was written.
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1.why do i get the feeling that linux is hard to install? 2.I have an old compaq I want to put it on? 3.Know of any good newbie sites that will teach me neat stuff to do on linux?
email me kewl computer tips/tricks/web sites
I had the opportunity to see Mr. Gates give the keynote at the spring Comdex (it is put on by ZD and named "Windows World" after all) last year.
;)).
He opened with a video showing the previous year's (Spring 1998) presentation where they demonstrated the wonderful ease Windows 98 installed drivers for USB devices. He showed a video of that presentation and how it failed. I wasn't there in '98, so I assume that video was legit. A scanner (I think) was plugged in, Windows 98 saw that and displayed the "Adding New Hardware" box. The next dialog that came up requested the driver disk. A little bit later the blue screen came up and they immediately shut off the display.
So, to correct that "problem," Mr. Gates said they had worked on the problem the entire year since, and would give it another try, with the same computer and scanner. They plugged it in and it went beautifully, with one minor difference. The computer didn't prompt for the driver disk. My guess, with what I've known of Windows 9x over these years, is they already had the driver installed once before on that computer. So when it came around this time, it did not need the drivers because Windows already knew they were already there...
I did see some write ups on those Windows type magazine web sites about this event, how it couldn't have gone smoother and Windows will save the universe from certain damnation. Not a word was mentioned of the difference in the presentation. I guess I was the only one there that paid attention to such details (the Windows tech support life did it to me
Seeing him in person and watching this incident revealed to me much about Mr. Gates that is never covered in trade magazines/web sites. It can also be surmised by many accounts from people that knew him in the early days that he is a very competitive guy and hates to be embarrassed like that, PBS' Triumph of the Nerds (or whatever it was called), TNT's Pirates of Silicon Valley. I saw this side of him there at the keynote in Chicago. He will never let that happen to him again.
Where's this going? Well, I wouldn't be surprised if what was shown for the audiece to "ooo" and "ahh," and give these lapdog magazines something to proclaim as a true renevation for the new millennium we just entered, and what was really going on behind the scenes were not exactly the same. A screen saver on these desktops that reloads the page every second, some graph app that shows the "load" on the servers? I wouldn't put it past the man. Things must run completely smoothely, no matter what...
>shut up fool. :) w2k "requires" at least a pentium 400 anyway :) [WILD_LAUGHTER] no , i got a 100mhz 80meg ram box running win 2k.. it runs okay for windows..
This is really strange...there is no record of any moderation for this post...and it ended up at -2. Weird.
I was posting a different comment, and the system thought I had already posted it, even though it was different than the last post. Sounds like they're trying to control spam trolls, but some of this stuff isn't thought out all the way.
RANT MODE ON (10+) What a bunch of whinning children. If you don't like to see Linux development kernels posted here. DON'T BLOODY READ IT!!!! new linux kernels have been posted here since the beginning of time. This site has nothing to do with what you want.. or with how you think the site should be run. It's news for "nerds". Defined by CmndrTaco. Get over it. p.s. I could show a benchmark that states windows 3.11 outperforms NT 2k. Whats the f*cking point. The people who will decide how NT performs are the admins who deploy it. Time will tell.. everything else is just a bunch of clueless half wits trying to sound informed. Get real slashdot.
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Agreed. There is a lot more going on in the world than could possibly be discussed on slashdot, even when you narrow your field with parameters like "must appeal to nerds" and "ought probably apply to technology and its effects." There are sites which better cater to this need. Slashdot tends to list 15-20 stories on the main page each day rather than, say, 115 to 120 stories.
Not everyone would agree on what the most important, discussion-worthy, news-worthy events or ideas of the day are -- that much is made brutally clear by slashdot comments, eh? But let's say that Rob and the other authors consider their own interests as well as those of readers and the collaboration generally results in the posting of stories which interest a pretty broad swath of the readership. That, and check-boxes make it hard to complain too much about the news that doesn't fit any particular denomination of nerd-dom.
But 2.4 promises to be a big step, and the steps that lead to dot-4 are interesting. Devfs alone seems to justify the news of the recent kernel changes.
And Win2000? Well, did you see much coverage on the local TV news? Do you know a lot of IT guys who are anxious to switch a middle-size (say, 50-person) business to it prior to the first service pack? It's news, but only in a pretty pre-digested, press-release way. A new Linux kernel is more newsworthy (imho) than win2k in part because the date of release is an MS marketing tool more than it is "news"
just thoughts,
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Hyped to _death_?
Please, everyone willing slashdot posting reports on W2k every 10 minutes raise your hands!
I say to the MicroSerf whiners, if you want press release fluff and pictures of your Fuhrer Bill, then go to >ZDNet or something, they are more than willing to pucker up and kiss his arse.
Kiss his arse? Maybe a kiss like the kind the Alien (ie from the movie Alien) gives.
More likely rip him a new one, as ZDNET Anchordesk does about every second day.
~All I want is a simple content editor position. Is that so much to ask?~
Frankly I agree that posting kernel updates may be not so useful. Specially if they are Beta. Specially THIS one.
I don't consider that Slashdot should not post such news. However I consider that they may have a use only in cases when we deal with stable releases. We don't have them every day and not everybody reads freshmeat every hour.
In cases such as development kernels, I would highly recomend to restrict news to moments when important changes are made. And, in any case, to check up the stuff before publishing.
This guy here, 2.3.46, has some serious bugs in it. For the hardware I use, it is not a runday kernel to be trusted. I had to make a few patches and sit until 5 in the morning to see it well and alive in my Ragnarok Linux Box. It is a beauty, it is powerful, it runs fast, it eats less memory, it already covers all hardware I have, it holds my dual-proc with a boost, it does not crash like old good 2.2. But damn, I took three hours checking up the source to make it run and, from time to time, it shows some weirdnesses. For a person with a middle knowledge of systems and programming this kernel may do and may go. But for the majority it may be a serious delusion.
I was pretty amazed to see the damn thing this morning at slashdot. When I know that 80% of the people may not be able to even compile it normally... Frankly this starts to remind the hypes of Redmond's Mag00. People, we are not Mazdiers, and I think no one want to be such.
Version 2.3.46.0.0.00000000b.a.zzzle00q has just been released!! Put up a story about it plz. Oh, and the word linux appeared magically in the grass on Mother Teresa's Grave, as well as on the bottom of a cake sold in a coffeeshop in Amsterdam! Plz post those stories too.
They just put this story up to get people to go to freshmeat.
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Is this one step closer, or one step farther away?
You tell me, count the patches....
It seems you consider yourself a computer hotshot because you DON'T use NT or other MS system NOR do you work with MS products or develop high end software with MS tools like VC++. What kind of attitude is that? I'm a MicroSERF now? because I use MS stuff? And not a nerd? but a luser or something? I come to this site because it has geek news, at least it had for time to time. More and more this site is transforming into a PRO linux ANTI-MS site.
Nowhere is stated it's a LINUX only ANTI-REDMOND site. Or better: PRO-Linux MEANS ANTI-MS. Or am I wrong?
Col_Panic and others: if you think you do every programmer a favor by spreading your moronic, anti-everythingmicrosoft attitude, you're wrong.
Looking at the moderation of the posting of Col_Panic, which contains very insulting texts, I can only say: I'm outta here.
'Nothing lost by seeing you leave' is probably what comes to a lot of minds here, but think again. You're not the only people on this planet with a university degree in Computer science and a lot of years of programming experience.
Have a nice life
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Yes, I know I spend an hour or two yesterday trying this kernel and it doesn't compile out of the box.
Don't belive me ? Go grab your copy at ftp://ftp.kernel.org /pub/linux/kernel/v2.3/linux-2.3.46.tar.gz
And since the bug is in the cache buffers, you can't just simply skip a module to make it work.
The file in question is drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c
Without a doubt there is a fix already somewhere, but I don't realy think this version should have been announced on /.
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we can have 32-bit major/minor, and this is not connected to devfs _at all_. Just remember that there was devfs for 2.2 as well, and there is no chance for more than 256 minors on 2.2. The 'device node' inode in ext2fs has been 32-bit ever since. The changes that enable more devices were done by Alexander Viro and ment changing all the gazillion places that depended on kdev_t to be a pointer to a driver structure. _That_ was the change that truly enables arbitrary number of devices, not devfs. Devfs provides a file namespace to access device nodes. It's not perfect (it's not truly persistent for example), but it's a step in the right direction.
And I think Microsoft's Windows 2000 beta News groups were run on a dual P100.
Weeeeellll... since VA and Andover are both publicly held, their administration can't do anything that doesn't benefit the stockholders financially. If they *do* do that, they'll get their pants sued off, and lose their jobs.
... well, you'll have to ask Id and Bungie.
Not true. Corporations do things which are adverse to profit all the time. Sometimes it's more accurately a case of putting off short-term profits for a long-term gain, or sacrificing long-term profits for a short-term gain. Or sometimes it's just because they think it's the right thing to do -- kind of like how some European automakers do not enforce patents on safety mechanisms, because they feel that safety is more important than profit.
Microsoft has long been a significant contributor to the Free Software Foundation. I don't know about you, but I'd consider that adverse to Microsoft's self-interest. (The donations come through the United Way campaign. Microsoft has a pledge to match employee donations to United Way charities, and the FSF is a UW-approved charity.)
Id Software has GPLed Quake; Bungie Software has GPLed Marathon 2: Durandal. While these software products are getting long in the tooth there was still a market for them. These two prestigious gaming companies intentionally forfeited profit, because
Corporations do things adverse to their own financial interest all the time. Claiming otherwise shows a lack of historical knowledge.
I don't have any personal opinion on the merger, except that VA now owns both sourceforge and server51, so the only non-VA free development platform-type-site that I know of is openprojects.net. But that's a different point altogether.
RHAD doesn't count as a free software development site? What about all the websites devoted to kernel hacking? Whatever happened to email?
The Linux community survived just fine before Sourceforge or Server 51. I've made significant contributions to free software projects and I've never even visited either of those two sites.
If Sourceforge and Server 51 were essential to the development of free software, then yes, I'd be irked about one company owning both. But they're not essential, so why worry?
Oh, and themes.org and Slashdot are now owned by the same people...isn't that exciting? But, of course, the Andover/VA Linux staff has no say in what gets posted and what doesn't.
The first rule of journalism is don't allege something unless you've got evidence to support the allegation.
Gleam, it's been alleged that you're a monkey-eating child pornographer who had a homoerotic relationship with President Bill. But, of course, that's just speculation.
Moral of the story: if you're going to allege that the Andover/VA staff has undue editorial influence, then for Pete's sake, show some evidence to back up your allegations.
And...what about the guy who posted to the original merger (VA-Andover) thread, from valinux.com, who got an automatic +4(!), without any moderation. Hmm.
I'm a certifiable Karma Whore; when I make posts they start out automagically at 2. This is kind of a cool thing. And y'know what? The other day, I saw one of my posts had a score of 1, with no moderation attached to it! My God! My evil nemesis must be out there, maliciously dropping my scores without moderation!
... or it could just be a bug.
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by random chance.
Am I concerned about VA/Andover and potential risks to Slashdot's editorial integrity? Yes, I am, and because of it I'm going to be watching the site closely. If I ever find real evidence of editorial malfeasance, then I'll take my marbles and play elsewhere.
This is, incidentally, exactly what Taco, Hemos and everybody else on staff wants. They want the users to keep them honest. As long as we keep our eyes open, Slashdot will keep its editorial integrity. Then Slashdot gets what it wants (our viewership) and we get what we want (News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters).
But there is a significant difference between keeping our eyes open for editorial abuse, and a paranoid belief that the few minor things we're seeing are just the tip of an iceberg of evil.
Rant done.
Did I miss something? Did Microsoft cancel the W2K launch at the last moment? Did the spooks cover it up? No, everybody else is reporting the news except /.
Huh? Microshaft? Who are they? W2K? Is that anything like Y2K? I'm confused!
:)
*ducking*
My journal has hot
What morons moderated this drivel up to 5???!
Apparently we have more microsofties on
why dont you create a ramdisk and put your stuff on that when the computer boots up. then serve it straight from memory?
just a thought.
john
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Glad to see that I'm not the only one that thinks this is the case. It's not paranoia; we know that Microsoft did this before (see Compuserve "Steve Barkto" incident, and the L.A. Times "astroturfing" story).
..the news that another minor development release of Linux is out shouldn't really be on SlashDot, IMHO. However this particular release, I understand incorporates some major new functionality (devFS filing system), and *THAT* should have been reported.
I think that SlashDot should confine its comments to releases on the main branch, or be a little more careful about how it describes the significance of development branch releases. Freshmeat is also an Andover site, and most of us have the Freshmeat window on our Slashdot displays too, so there is little need for this double reporting.
On the other hand, SlashDot itself has been remarkably quiet about Windows 2000, and that should have qualified for a news story or two. Regardless of what you feel about Windows, this release is a MAJOR release of the current #1 operating system in the world and should have been covered as such. It is unfortunate that Slashdot did not feel it could put up a news article with some appropriate links describing new features, and even better if someone has a copy, a fast initial impression.
Normally I`m on the side of Linux in most things [Linux leads 5:3 against Windows installs in my home], but I feel SlashDot should have at least tried to give us some objective reporting.
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> Nowhere is stated it's a LINUX only ANTI-REDMOND site. Or better: PRO-Linux MEANS ANTI-MS.
> Or am I wrong?
As BSD user I've the strong feeling that "pro Linux" means "anti everything else"...
Does anyone know if firewire networking will be supported at some point? Would that support provide significant advantages/faults?
Open Source. Open Minds.
Closed Source. Microsoft Astroturfers. Sour Grapes.
This is an open source site, with most of us (astroturfers like you aside) far more interested in the most trivial and uninteresting patch to the ever changing development kernel of Linux, or patches to FreeBSD current, than we are in the overhyped release of a bloated, unstable, closed OS from an organization dedicated to denying all of us the freedom to chose our own platform on our own terms.
Get over it and leave the rest of us in the open source community alone to continue building the future. If the content of this site offends you so, go back to microsoft.com and hang out with your buddies there. I'm sure they will be more than willing to wallow with you in your disillusion and self-pity while the rest of us, and the future itself, leaves you weeping in its wake.
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Any comments???
If W2K did _NOT_ launch (with 64k+ bugs), it would be news.
It surely bothers you. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't post redundant crap.
Listen, in case you're new here, slashdot is an ongoing discussion about what interests us. It doesn't matter what story is posted, the discussion will evolve around things that really matter to readers, be it linux kernel, bowl of grits or bashing microsoft. This is also the reason why it's dumb to check out only the slashdot headlines daily, specialized news sites have more and better headlines.
Ok, not the most coherent thoughts, but you get the idea.
'nuf said
Microsoft has patches too! They rule! :)
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
Windows 2000 Critical Update, February 17, 2000
2728 KB/ Download Time: 8 min
Windows 2000 Compatibility Updates
159 KB/ Download Time: < 1 min
Windows 2000 Update, February 17, 2000
89 KB/ Download Time: < 1 min
xer.xes -- 4181
There is at least one problem that I can see with an implementation of a devfs.
/etc/fstab is now completely incorrect. Digital Unix 5 will follow a path somewhat like this. Hopefully they will find a way to remedy this situation, or my heart will bleed for their FSEs.
/etc/fstab. However, there are environments wherein this is just not feasible. I realize that this problem also exists with hard-wired /dev entries, and that it is conceptually more difficult to solve with those. What I would suggest is a "mapping", wherein devices can be arbitrarily and automatically named, in a way that will allow for an administratively simple solution to the problem I've outlined above. I am sure there are other problems that I've not yet thought of, and many answers to those problems, but I choose at this time to exercise my profound penchant for academic laziness.
Device Insertion.
With a devfs, devices are named automatically by the order in which they are discovered. Altering the discovery/probe routine, or the type of host adaptor, or any number of other things, could potentially wreak havoc when administering a large system. I have experience with this from Digital Unix (which uses a BSD-ish kernel configuration setup so that, if necessary, devices can be hard-wired to a particular place).
Imagine this: I have a large machine with a large external RAID array on, say, an HSZ80 array controller. The admin before me numbered devices on that array in a somewhat haphazard fashion, whether through incompetence or necessity-at-the-time. Now, I need to expand the array, adding disks and devices. Because I've been painted into a corner, I have to export a device address from the array (target,lun - the system already has the bus number) that lies between two existing entries. This is no problem for a running system, as the new device will likely be added at the end of the chain, becoming "disk89" or somesuch. Upon bootup, however, the rules change. What was "disk89" is now "disk33", and
There must be a way to "hardwire" devices to particular addresses. Yes, a good admin will change
That said, I applaud the inclusion of a devfs to the kernel. This is something that has been on my wishlist for a long time, and it will make some future work I will do with Linux a lot easier and more robust.
Good work. Now let's take it to the next level.
--Corey
Not only will they not deserve liberty or safety, Mr. Franklin, they will be DENIED both!
This new release of Linux is all very well, and the USB support may be good, but the point is from a CEO/e-business perspective, there is quite clearly insufficient focus on XML.
Admittedly I not a Linux guru. Indeed, my only experience is with the more professional solutions such as NT4.0 server and Exchange. (My users demand ease-of-use) Nonetheless from a marketing perspective, I feel justified in criticising the totally inadequate emphasis placed on XML in this Linux release.
Of course, its all very well for me to criticise, but unless I offer constructive advice, I will never be taken seriously in this forum. So here is my well considered advice. Please pay attention.
XML must become a fundamental part of the Linux kernel. This fact must then be rammed home to the CEO demographic via a campaign of FUD against Microsoft, including spamming the pro-Microsoft forums with misinformation, and personal attacks on Billy-boy and Baldy-Ballmer
The CEOs and Finance guys of modern e-businesses will never be able to leverage Linux to achive increased synergy and add value to their online e-solutions in todays web-savvy enterprise until they can point their browser at /dev/xmlkernel, and see all the kernal usage statistics as an XML file.
Any product which does not emphasise the importance of XML is doomed to be a marketing failure. Any moron can see this. And the average slashdotter is not a moron. Fanatical maybe, Overzealous? for sure. But stupid ? No.
Once again my "open source" advice is free.
Management summary:
XML + New Linux Kernel + FUD + Marketing = Linux success in e-business.
Thank you
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And yes, some of the 2.3.xx kernels are more unstable--that would be those that end in odd numbers (when I tried compiling 2.3.21 there was an error in main.c !). That's why you get one that ends in an even number.
And then there are those people who need USB...
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
This is a -major- change to Linux networking, and from the sounds of it, it's going to break a lot.
As for devfs, I've played with it, and like it, but it does totally mess up my fstab file. Everything sat nicely on one console screen, and now I'll have line-wraps. Ugly!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Not like we would have already seen it on Freshmeat...
And since when is another development kernel release NEWS FOR NERDS/STUFF THAT MATTERS?
Anyone who gives a hoot about new linux kernels will be checking kernel.org for their new kernels..
Give me a break.
Unless I'm missing something.. is there something great about this new kernel? Tons of new long-awaited features? (I mean, compared to the one we had yesterday.... )
No.. I didn't think so.
Sheesh.
Those are DEVELOPMENT RELEASES for DEVELOPERS.
That means PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AFRAID TO FIX BUGS.
If there is a fsck up in the build scripts.. FIX IT!
EVERYBODY KNOWS that 2.3 kernels are DEVELOPMENTAL, UNSABLE, UNRELIABLE kernels.
at least we at microsoft do recognize that slashdot is a very important audience for us. after all, what would we do if all of you went and started to play with linux or something. it would be the beginning of the end for us. it is a chance that we will not take.
while some investors claim that money that we throw at the slashdot propaganda department would be better just disbursed to the investors, the more level-headed investors see that we must reach the super highly intelligent demographic somehow, and that the slashdot propaganda department successfully achieves this goal.
</irony>
get a clue.
It seems to me that most posts are moderated up that go against the sort of slashdot mindset or go against what most commenters are saying.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Also, it might only serve to be a story with a bunch of flames wasting moderators' time, rather than a useful and insightful discussion.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
first of all John you're the best!
Now I got a Question that might soound a bit un-pro but it is very important-
please tell me with much in depth stuff what is the AC3 Decoder for Linux, how do I USE it? and what does it ment to be used?
I found it here: AC3 DECODER
Thank you all,
C'ya
I,agree with your "worries" of lack of news,and totaly dispise the beta version of the kernel for linux,and should be more developed before lamers alike start installing it,but who really gives a dam about win2k,its just another piece of software,that says that it can do things,unlike previus version,but never provides results,and about the only thing you get out of it is more blue screens and major memory drumps.