Yes, the whole thing is a PR stunt. So what. It made me smile;)
The summary is a summary of a summary. Figure 2 in the original report is much more informative. The majority of the highest scoring people use Firefox (35%) or Chrome (20%). The majority of the lowest scoring people use IE7 (35%) or IE9 (20%). Opera and ChromeFrame are not used by people scoring lower than average.
As for correlations I would guess the following:
IE7 -> low score.
Firefox -> average to high score.
Opera and ChromeFrame and Camino -> high score.
Safari -> not much correlation at all.
Other IEs -> not much correlation, tendency to lower scores.
I don't quite understand the euphoria. Tumors always grow from your own cells.
Note that foreign cells would be attacked by your immune system while these cells aren't. The cancer risk might well be higher.
Hey I didn't call them a thread per se! But in the special case of underground opposition in a totalitarian state (which is a valid use scenario for freenet et al.) it might be wise to *not* directly disclose your buddies by means of a simple text file. It would be sufficient, though, to share a list of trusted foreign peers.
The only point I want to make is that you should be aware of your tool's inherent limits. Or blatnly said: False anonymity is worse then no anonymity.
freenet (there is a dark net mode since version 7).
I remember people arguing dark mode being an anonymity thread itself. I case you computer is seized you and your 'friends' are immediately identified as part the of same conspirative group (based on client's friend list). Might rather be a problem in totalitarian systems where being suspicious is enough to face personal detriment (no pun intended).
Thumbs up! Yea I was deflowerd by debian as well:) must have been around 1995, still in high school. Well I checked the facts. Gentoo was released 2002 so I must have switched a bit later...
I'm kind of peeved that you can't switch from x86 to amd64
That also got me thinking. On Gentoo it seems to be possible to cross-re-compile the whole system and finally switch gcc to 64 bit. We'll see. Until now I didn't feel the need for 4 gigs of ram;) No idea about debian, sorry.
You say it, in 2000 I set up a Gentoo system on one of those early Pentium III Notebooks. Yes, sure, it took me a couple of hours. But guess what, I still use it every day, exclusively. Just copied it from box to box over the years. So I'd say that time was quite a good investment;)
In Germany we have a government payed open source site since 2000. They provide good service for free, to anybody and without commercial annoyances. I especially like the choice between CVS/SVN/Mercurial/GIT.
Some of our submodules are 20 times bigger than the Linux kernel and there is no way to subdivide them more than that. Our source base really is that big.
Yes, it's running reasonably stable for me. But no, it's not officially marked as being stable. I don't care, your mileage may vary.
Neither of the links you provided mention the term "minefield."
Yes, that's true, why should they? The first one is the Mozilla Trademark Policy. The whole point of Minefield is that it is not handled as such. The second link explains how to obtain the source code for what "is used for the development of Firefox"
The point of my last post was that official versions are also available as Minefield (or IceWeasel and others).
First, let me repeat: Minefield is firefox without the official branding.
You can download the source code for Firefox-3.0.3, compile it as described earlier and it will identify as Minefield-3.0.3.
All versions of Firefox exist as feature identical Minefield equivalent, but not vice versa. Pre release binaries of firefox are always compiled without the official branding flag.
The reason is purely political/marketing: The Mozilla guys don't want the Firefox trade mark to be damaged by reports on pre release software.
You can even check out the current working tree, compile it with official branding flag enabled and it will identify itself as firefox. You're just not allowed to distribute the resulting binary.
Happily looking forward to continue this discussion;)
Not exactly. Minefield is firefox without the official branding, nothing else.
If you don't believe me, go and download the official beta code from here, compile it without --enable-official-branding, start the browser and realize that is identifies itself as Minefield version 3.1b1. Note, I'm posting from exactly such a build. And note. this also works for any rescent officially released version.
In my original post I was implicitly referring to the 3.1 series with tracemonkey in general. Tracemonkey is included since 3.1b1. There just is no need to use nightly builds.
In summary I rather would say: Minefield is, by definition, as stable as firefox.
Yes, it's a tag.
Yes, it's actually firefox 3.1.
Yes, it's beta.
Still, it's stable here.
I didn't see any problems in daily browsing since alpha2.
Daily browsing is not mission critical.
And since beta1 it's fast.
Well, I like it, that's it.
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Here is the actual report: http://www.aptiquant.com/IQ-Browser-AptiQuant-2011.pdf
;)
Yes, the whole thing is a PR stunt. So what. It made me smile
The summary is a summary of a summary. Figure 2 in the original report is much more informative. The majority of the highest scoring people use Firefox (35%) or Chrome (20%). The majority of the lowest scoring people use IE7 (35%) or IE9 (20%). Opera and ChromeFrame are not used by people scoring lower than average.
As for correlations I would guess the following:
IE7 -> low score.
Firefox -> average to high score.
Opera and ChromeFrame and Camino -> high score.
Safari -> not much correlation at all.
Other IEs -> not much correlation, tendency to lower scores.
Anyways, it's nothing but a joke.
Yea, did it and clicked the sponsored link.
;)
I wonder how much $$ flows from MS to Google per click.
I guess I'll have to repeat
Yea, it runs on top of Debian, Mac OS X, Solaris and, no joke, Windows. ;)
I don't quite understand the euphoria. Tumors always grow from your own cells.
Note that foreign cells would be attacked by your immune system while these cells aren't. The cancer risk might well be higher.
that's no troll just joke ... have a nice day :)
Hey I didn't call them a thread per se! But in the special case of underground opposition in a totalitarian state (which is a valid use scenario for freenet et al.) it might be wise to *not* directly disclose your buddies by means of a simple text file. It would be sufficient, though, to share a list of trusted foreign peers.
The only point I want to make is that you should be aware of your tool's inherent limits. Or blatnly said: False anonymity is worse then no anonymity.
freenet (there is a dark net mode since version 7).
I remember people arguing dark mode being an anonymity thread itself. I case you computer is seized you and your 'friends' are immediately identified as part the of same conspirative group (based on client's friend list). Might rather be a problem in totalitarian systems where being suspicious is enough to face personal detriment (no pun intended).
Well!, Could! be! worse! like! SharePoint? :)
Yea, I know, s/hate/hates/
Who else hate the embedded exclamation mark ?
Well I checked the facts. Gentoo was released 2002 so I must have switched a bit later...
I'm kind of peeved that you can't switch from x86 to amd64
That also got me thinking. On Gentoo it seems to be possible to cross-re-compile the whole system and finally switch gcc to 64 bit. We'll see. Until now I didn't feel the need for 4 gigs of ram ;) No idea about debian, sorry.
You say it, in 2000 I set up a Gentoo system on one of those early Pentium III Notebooks. Yes, sure, it took me a couple of hours. But guess what, I still use it every day, exclusively. Just copied it from box to box over the years. So I'd say that time was quite a good investment ;)
In Germany we have a government payed open source site since 2000. They provide good service for free, to anybody and without commercial annoyances. I especially like the choice between CVS/SVN/Mercurial/GIT.
:-P
Not that I were affected personally, but how much will people pay to be allowed to up/down/evengrade from their just purchased Vista to Seven?
I do, frequently, hand warm from kernel.org ;)
Check these:
NV-U2
NV-U3 / NV-U3V
NV-U94T / NV-U84 / NV-U74T
http://assets.gearlive.com/blogimages/nuvos.JPG
Some of our submodules are 20 times bigger than the Linux kernel and there is no way to subdivide them more than that. Our source base really is that big.
Let me guess... that's Windows Vista ;)
Or that if you don't have Javascript enabled.
Brainfuck would be The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monste - it's made up for nothing but fun.
So: no, it's not stable. It's a nightly build.
Yes, it's running reasonably stable for me. But no, it's not officially marked as being stable. I don't care, your mileage may vary.
Neither of the links you provided mention the term "minefield."
Yes, that's true, why should they? The first one is the Mozilla Trademark Policy. The whole point of Minefield is that it is not handled as such. The second link explains how to obtain the source code for what "is used for the development of Firefox"
The point of my last post was that official versions are also available as Minefield (or IceWeasel and others).
Hi Jeff, it's me again :)
;)
First, let me repeat: Minefield is firefox without the official branding.
You can download the source code for Firefox-3.0.3, compile it as described earlier and it will identify as Minefield-3.0.3. All versions of Firefox exist as feature identical Minefield equivalent, but not vice versa. Pre release binaries of firefox are always compiled without the official branding flag.
The reason is purely political/marketing: The Mozilla guys don't want the Firefox trade mark to be damaged by reports on pre release software. You can even check out the current working tree, compile it with official branding flag enabled and it will identify itself as firefox. You're just not allowed to distribute the resulting binary.
Happily looking forward to continue this discussion
Not exactly. Minefield is firefox without the official branding, nothing else.
If you don't believe me, go and download the official beta code from here, compile it without --enable-official-branding, start the browser and realize that is identifies itself as Minefield version 3.1b1. Note, I'm posting from exactly such a build. And note. this also works for any rescent officially released version.
In my original post I was implicitly referring to the 3.1 series with tracemonkey in general. Tracemonkey is included since 3.1b1. There just is no need to use nightly builds.
In summary I rather would say: Minefield is, by definition, as stable as firefox.
Yes, it's a tag.
Yes, it's actually firefox 3.1.
Yes, it's beta.
Still, it's stable here.
I didn't see any problems in daily browsing since alpha2.
Daily browsing is not mission critical.
And since beta1 it's fast.
Well, I like it, that's it.
its fast, its stable, my extensions work ;)
Especially Zotero (SVN) rocks !!!