there are some people who have been suggesting that for some time. i think john zerzan mentions a few authors who've written subjects. you might start with his essay "agriculture" which is public domain, or its longer version "agriculture: demon engine of civilization" which was published in "apocalypse culture 2nd edition" by Feral House (not to be confused with "apocalypse culture II"). i don't think it's entirely impossible. i researched some desertification for my final essay in college writing. i'll paste a couple of relevant paragraphs and the citations used:
This identity of industry â" the replacement of whatever was there before â" reveals itself socially and statistically. Since 1900, the average temperature across a year of measurements in Amazonia increased by 1.134ÂF per annum while precipitation decreased over all Brazil, according to scientists who in 2005 attempted to decipher the mystery of that yearâ(TM)s unprecedented drought over what was left of the Amazon rainforest (Goldstein, 104). Those scientists might have looked to John McNeillâ(TM)s 1988 essay âoeDeforestation in the Araucaria Zone of Southern Brazil, 1900-1983â pointing out âoerailway encouraged commercial logging in areas that had previously been inaccessibleâ since Brazilâ(TM)s 1800s (17). They might also have benefitted from Thomsonâ(TM)s study of the Sahel region of Africa: prior to the 20th century, the Sahelien population rarely disturbed the fragile replenishment of trees, soil, drinking water and pasture, even during frequent drought; in 1900, French colonialists demanding an extensive agricultural output required the destruction of regenerative wood-stock in ecologically sensitive sites; loss of what little forest the Sahel region knew resulted in desertification (Thomson, 71, 74, 79-90).
Goldstein, Natalie. Global Warming. New York: Infobase. 2009. Print.
McNeill, John R. âoeDeforestation in the Araucaria Zone of Southern Brazil, 1900-1983.â Richards & Tucker 15-32. Print.
Thomson, James T. âoeDeforestation and Desertification in 20th-c. Arid Sahelien Africa.â Richards & Tucker 71-90. Print.
(From "The Case Against Industry", by Gabriel Arthur Petrie)
we could've done it your way, said 'don't touch anything until the technology arrives to get it done withotu disturbing a single thing', and let's see, we'd have no sites of any value left because they'd all be subdevelopments, factories, parking lots and minimarts, aand let's see, we'd finally get our big break in the year 3000 when we figure out what the technology should be doing. we'll discover our first, undisturbed prehistoric skeleton of ANY kind in the year 3012. THANKS!
i don't think we should go on looking at tectonics as a stored-energy situation, based on probabilities. there is this whole entire other way of describing zones as 'active' and so on that goes against all of that, but for some reason scientists use both models. how can a serious scientist seriously look at the problem of earthquakes and volcanoes as both an assurance (where some areas are definitely more likely to be hit by these disasters than others) and also as a probability (where if one of these disasters just occured, it's less likely to happen again anytime relatively soon)? i mean, by putting a region under a category as 'active' that would by necessity mean that it's therefore that much less likely for anything to happen there, because it already happened before.
i know i sound confused but i'm not. i think the scientists who try and predict or assess these things need to pick one of two models and stick with it, and i don't think the gambling-based probability model is where it's at. i think they should just get to the nitty gritty on categorizing different regions based on what they can observe in nearby fault lines and volcanoes, and just always keep alert over those regions.
consider what all of this crap means about the american northwest, for example. there's been this spooky thing going on with yellowstone national park for some time, which should have brought to american awareness the fact that the entire area there is a huge, flat, supervolcano. that's heating up to the point where it melts peoples' shoes. the big tip-off should've been "old faithful" going nuts. "gee something's going to happen, here". man, if people thought mt. st. helens was bad, if yellowstone blew it would be like mt. st. helens was a pimple and the person's eye just fell out of their head. there would probably be many thousands dead from the explosion alone, and then millions from the after affects. life west of the grand canyon would get nasty. and yet our science hasn't progressed to the point, yet, where it's become obvious that these zones we keep picking up on, like "the ring of fire", are best considered connected for a *reason*? perhaps because they all operate on the same mechanism?
and before you go saying that yellowstone blowing is fringe or some bullshit, don't forget: 1. there are several very serious scientists trying *right now* to warn people about yellowstone 2. it's a safety issue affecting potentially millions of lives and the american economy on a level like you're seeing japan facing, now, on top of what problems we already have 3. pretending it's fringe just because you don't "get it" amounts to disinformation
but, every time they approached the press about cooling the reactors, it was always coupled with statements about providing power, so gee, you can't really blame me, can you? after all, i'm not a nuclear engineer!
i just found this article in bloomberg, it's a play-by-play analysis. the tone is fairly apologetic and tends to put the people responsible into a heroic light, but wtfe. after you read this you'll know why all the different shit happened. it's fairly in-depth.
i've been saying this from day-1 "they're going to have to scrap the whole thing, it'll never function properly or safely ever again, and you watch, it'll be more than just encased, they're going to completely fill it with materials that slow radiation".
like ocean mud. three to one, place a bet with me, grimy mud from the bottom of the deepest oceans will be involved because it was discovered that more than any other substance including lead and ceramics, mud from the bottom of the ocean is the best barrier against radiation. the only reason they wouldn't do that would be to spare expense. i'd say ten to one but two factors against it happening are: 1. it's expensive to do 2. apparently the people involved with this plant are cheap asses who spare every possible expense whenever they can.
anyways. i thought it was horrendous that they kept trying to keep it as a viable, working power station for so long. greedy dumbfucks.
like, two YEARS ago, they did the same thing and found all these cities and shit under the sahara desert. so the technique is nothing "new"-new, just "new-ish".
and i RESENT the tone of the article. this bullshit about archeaological techniques being outdated. the bitch is just overcompensating for the fact that no archaeology, ever, is EVER going to extract these finds from under the desert because you can't excavate a desert. it's impossible. we'll never, ever see the shit that's down there for real and she's just salty over it, and taking it out on her predecessors. she probably just winged through college with a 3-half or some shit and is jaded about real ACTUAL smart people who get shit done on their own. all she did was run up to a fucking arcade table "gimme gimme", grab the joystick and push the cursor over to Egypt. and then turn around and bitch at the people who were playing already when she ran up, and then pretended to have invented the fucking game.
Well if sex and ipods are in the offering tell you what: i captured gadafi and i put him on trial; safely isolated fukushima's nuclear pile; put specs on Arnie and a condom in his hand; opened area 51 to Julian Assange; well i didn't stop there i cured AIDS and cancer, too; took out everybody's trash and cleane up all of the zoos; let out all the animals and chopped off their heads; served em with a side of beans to all America's unfed; if you don't think i did those things well get this; i threw myself at it but hell -- i missed!
Alright! Pussy and ipads, just get ahold me in email
Yes, think eBay and i think abuses and corruption. Think Amazon, ditto. Slashdot, well we're largely above that but the moderation systems here can be abused, too. All these peer review systems have been circumvented, even countermanded by the users. More remote? Think Google-bombs. Horde behaviour would become the norm as people would prefer to fill a server up simultaneous to all their friends and just sit around showing off... I dunno, shooting a tin can in the air or rocket jumping, rather than actually play. Most of the FPS games Newell is fond of require sparse populations to maintain suspense and continuity, because the alternative is just a constant barrage of respawns in the middle of senseless humanflood. They could make bigger levels, but they would still get filled up, now with more impetus, by people looking for the lowest price. So it's ultimately a self-defeating scheme unless they are going to revolutionize how FPS war games work from the ground-up.
I dunno about that. Consider a world where the only people playing games *are* reviewers, and yet the gaming companies still consider it lucrative.
I'm not being sarcastic or cheeky when I say that the average opinion of art and entertainment today is about on a par with shit in a can, and that's for breakfast, not for installation in a museum.
Every day the stupidest, dumbest shit *ever* is showing up on (to paraphrase R.E.M.'s Stipe), "Cartoons, Radio, TV, Movies, Magazines", and all I hear is rave reviews, day in and day fucking out, for every, single, last, thing, published.
Obviously there are enough people, now, in the first world who are also interconnected enough and coercive enough to create communities capable of supporting every stupid piece of trash conceived of and marketed.
So, his plan isn't new, it's a description of the way things are already working. IMHO.
Microsoft could jist be flaunting the world's largest privately corporate cash deposit and doing this to play chess with fb. So for atarters, they might not really care about the future of skype: therefore why delete your old client?
Because the resulting netwprk might end up being ms-style insecure as in who wants crabs and or blackmail insecure.
What should we do? We still want skype. Wahh
Omg for real? It's suddenly impossible to get together and code it how it should've been from the beginning? Namely: open source, community coded, dynamically distributable voice and video conferencing?
The only thing not distributable in the scheme is identity. Help me out why you identify through skype in the first Place. It doesn't eeven help, its just a convenience. Nobody should know your videoconferencing id who's not a friend in a distributed model. It'd be like having the credit card number to your face.
The rest is easy. What am i talking about, what's to distribute? Get online, find your current ip, set up other programs to send the client an ip argument from whatever, clicking an email, clicking a nude, who cares. Interface TO the client ( don't embed it ) and demand more flexibility from your apps. For the long haul translate ips into little character strigs since no average user seems able to tell their pal that morning's assigned IP but can tell all their pals and enemies their tinyurl.
Then voila you securely replace the proprietary model wee whoopty doo. It would take less thought or work than:
Open source community coded astronomy sim Open source " " racing sim " " " " golf sim
" " " " any other also by-the-book program that actually includes physics
missiles are noisy and needlessly, senselessly destructive. too many collateral casualties and too much unwanted attention. this is the nineties, people. we have aerosol propelled chemical weapons. you can drop a bulb the size of your paintgun's baby co2 canister right between a target's feet and have your choice of impact or radio release. tsch. missiles. as if!
*gruffle gruffle* "oohh oi we've got to, something's wrong with the p.h.d. system" "ohhh the p.h.d. systemmmm?" "right!" "ohh well rather, blah blah, blah blah blah" "i have a degree in that! blah blah blah BLAH!" "blah BLAH blah" "BLAHBLAH" blah, blah, blah...
Why would they risk their image? The upcoming elections are going to be haRd enough on the ruling party. This is like suicide. There is already strong resentment because of allegations and discoveries of cover ups.
It's great how you've presented each POV. I am entirely in the dark on handheld gaming right now.
You might not be surprised that I (and some) would argue all four sides independently.
Full ownership, good. It's yours to fuck up as you please, including the quality of your gaming experience.
And yeah, it sure sucks competing against the borg. You shouldn't be allowed on the network with a hacked console, or, if the parent company feels generous, you shouldn't e allowed on the mainstream network with a hacked console but have to stay in some overcrowded semi public channels.
And sure, it's Sony's network and it's their manifest destiny (we could say) to fuck with your device that they built in a way that you don't know squat about before it happens because micro technology has progressed so far that such a method is possible.
And right, that pisses some people off (me, included) mostly because it goes against the concept of honest business and is akin to selling booby traps. So governments representing the people should take issue.
Its a bright opportunity to design new ware and new methods to ensure that the arguments for and against console hacking are satisfied. It's the best business model and other approaches should be seen as the result of failing to appeal to the cognitive elite and instead asking marketers about security and accountants about response.
What will happen instead is the old arena-based bickering and rebellious super vocalizing of (ultimately) self-inflicted malcontent, crying over the obvious economic sink of entertainment funds and loathing over the ridiculousness of such matters as so weighty in times of global economic turmoil, and therefore less attention paid to more important matters leading to even greater ignorance, setting populations up for repeat performances of the whole "who could have predicted such a tragedy, it's just like in the movies" posturing and swooning.
The article is actually about "FBI releases disowned curio-artifact report verifying the continued rejection by 'the establishment' of the idea of UFOs at Roswell"
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oh my bad. i went off on her in my response........
but she still a bitch!
there are some people who have been suggesting that for some time. i think john zerzan mentions a few authors who've written subjects. you might start with his essay "agriculture" which is public domain, or its longer version "agriculture: demon engine of civilization" which was published in "apocalypse culture 2nd edition" by Feral House (not to be confused with "apocalypse culture II"). i don't think it's entirely impossible. i researched some desertification for my final essay in college writing. i'll paste a couple of relevant paragraphs and the citations used:
(From "The Case Against Industry", by Gabriel Arthur Petrie)
so what you're saying is, it's not unusual.
oh, yeah, sure.
we could've done it your way, said 'don't touch anything until the technology arrives to get it done withotu disturbing a single thing', and let's see, we'd have no sites of any value left because they'd all be subdevelopments, factories, parking lots and minimarts, aand let's see, we'd finally get our big break in the year 3000 when we figure out what the technology should be doing. we'll discover our first, undisturbed prehistoric skeleton of ANY kind in the year 3012. THANKS!
i don't think we should go on looking at tectonics as a stored-energy situation, based on probabilities. there is this whole entire other way of describing zones as 'active' and so on that goes against all of that, but for some reason scientists use both models. how can a serious scientist seriously look at the problem of earthquakes and volcanoes as both an assurance (where some areas are definitely more likely to be hit by these disasters than others) and also as a probability (where if one of these disasters just occured, it's less likely to happen again anytime relatively soon)? i mean, by putting a region under a category as 'active' that would by necessity mean that it's therefore that much less likely for anything to happen there, because it already happened before.
i know i sound confused but i'm not. i think the scientists who try and predict or assess these things need to pick one of two models and stick with it, and i don't think the gambling-based probability model is where it's at. i think they should just get to the nitty gritty on categorizing different regions based on what they can observe in nearby fault lines and volcanoes, and just always keep alert over those regions.
consider what all of this crap means about the american northwest, for example. there's been this spooky thing going on with yellowstone national park for some time, which should have brought to american awareness the fact that the entire area there is a huge, flat, supervolcano. that's heating up to the point where it melts peoples' shoes. the big tip-off should've been "old faithful" going nuts. "gee something's going to happen, here". man, if people thought mt. st. helens was bad, if yellowstone blew it would be like mt. st. helens was a pimple and the person's eye just fell out of their head. there would probably be many thousands dead from the explosion alone, and then millions from the after affects. life west of the grand canyon would get nasty. and yet our science hasn't progressed to the point, yet, where it's become obvious that these zones we keep picking up on, like "the ring of fire", are best considered connected for a *reason*? perhaps because they all operate on the same mechanism?
and before you go saying that yellowstone blowing is fringe or some bullshit, don't forget:
1. there are several very serious scientists trying *right now* to warn people about yellowstone
2. it's a safety issue affecting potentially millions of lives and the american economy on a level like you're seeing japan facing, now, on top of what problems we already have
3. pretending it's fringe just because you don't "get it" amounts to disinformation
but, every time they approached the press about cooling the reactors, it was always coupled with statements about providing power, so gee, you can't really blame me, can you? after all, i'm not a nuclear engineer!
i just found this article in bloomberg, it's a play-by-play analysis. the tone is fairly apologetic and tends to put the people responsible into a heroic light, but wtfe. after you read this you'll know why all the different shit happened. it's fairly in-depth.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-25/japan-s-terrifying-day-saw-unprecedented-exposed-fuel-rods.html
i've been saying this from day-1 "they're going to have to scrap the whole thing, it'll never function properly or safely ever again, and you watch, it'll be more than just encased, they're going to completely fill it with materials that slow radiation".
like ocean mud. three to one, place a bet with me, grimy mud from the bottom of the deepest oceans will be involved because it was discovered that more than any other substance including lead and ceramics, mud from the bottom of the ocean is the best barrier against radiation. the only reason they wouldn't do that would be to spare expense. i'd say ten to one but two factors against it happening are: 1. it's expensive to do 2. apparently the people involved with this plant are cheap asses who spare every possible expense whenever they can.
anyways. i thought it was horrendous that they kept trying to keep it as a viable, working power station for so long. greedy dumbfucks.
this isn't new.
like, two YEARS ago, they did the same thing and found all these cities and shit under the sahara desert. so the technique is nothing "new"-new, just "new-ish".
and i RESENT the tone of the article. this bullshit about archeaological techniques being outdated. the bitch is just overcompensating for the fact that no archaeology, ever, is EVER going to extract these finds from under the desert because you can't excavate a desert. it's impossible. we'll never, ever see the shit that's down there for real and she's just salty over it, and taking it out on her predecessors. she probably just winged through college with a 3-half or some shit and is jaded about real ACTUAL smart people who get shit done on their own. all she did was run up to a fucking arcade table "gimme gimme", grab the joystick and push the cursor over to Egypt. and then turn around and bitch at the people who were playing already when she ran up, and then pretended to have invented the fucking game.
fucking BITCH!
if it was a world wonder you could use it as a point of reference in a college essay without invalidating the work.
Wow
Yeah
Well if sex and ipods are in the offering tell you what: i captured gadafi and i put him on trial; safely isolated fukushima's nuclear pile; put specs on Arnie and a condom in his hand; opened area 51 to Julian Assange; well i didn't stop there i cured AIDS and cancer, too; took out everybody's trash and cleane up all of the zoos; let out all the animals and chopped off their heads; served em with a side of beans to all America's unfed; if you don't think i did those things well get this; i threw myself at it but hell -- i missed!
Alright!
Pussy and ipads, just get ahold me in email
Yes, think eBay and i think abuses and corruption. Think Amazon, ditto. Slashdot, well we're largely above that but the moderation systems here can be abused, too. All these peer review systems have been circumvented, even countermanded by the users. More remote? Think Google-bombs. Horde behaviour would become the norm as people would prefer to fill a server up simultaneous to all their friends and just sit around showing off... I dunno, shooting a tin can in the air or rocket jumping, rather than actually play. Most of the FPS games Newell is fond of require sparse populations to maintain suspense and continuity, because the alternative is just a constant barrage of respawns in the middle of senseless humanflood. They could make bigger levels, but they would still get filled up, now with more impetus, by people looking for the lowest price. So it's ultimately a self-defeating scheme unless they are going to revolutionize how FPS war games work from the ground-up.
I dunno about that. Consider a world where the only people playing games *are* reviewers, and yet the gaming companies still consider it lucrative.
I'm not being sarcastic or cheeky when I say that the average opinion of art and entertainment today is about on a par with shit in a can, and that's for breakfast, not for installation in a museum.
Every day the stupidest, dumbest shit *ever* is showing up on (to paraphrase R.E.M.'s Stipe), "Cartoons, Radio, TV, Movies, Magazines", and all I hear is rave reviews, day in and day fucking out, for every, single, last, thing, published.
Obviously there are enough people, now, in the first world who are also interconnected enough and coercive enough to create communities capable of supporting every stupid piece of trash conceived of and marketed.
So, his plan isn't new, it's a description of the way things are already working. IMHO.
does this explain telepathy, yet?
Lets all be tech about it.
Microsoft could jist be flaunting the world's largest privately corporate cash deposit and doing this to play chess with fb. So for atarters, they might not really care about the future of skype: therefore why delete your old client?
Because the resulting netwprk might end up being ms-style insecure as in who wants crabs and or blackmail insecure.
What should we do? We still want skype. Wahh
Omg for real? It's suddenly impossible to get together and code it how it should've been from the beginning? Namely: open source, community coded, dynamically distributable voice and video conferencing?
The only thing not distributable in the scheme is identity. Help me out why you identify through skype in the first Place. It doesn't eeven help, its just a convenience. Nobody should know your videoconferencing id who's not a friend in a distributed model. It'd be like having the credit card number to your face.
The rest is easy. What am i talking about, what's to distribute? Get online, find your current ip, set up other programs to send the client an ip argument from whatever, clicking an email, clicking a nude, who cares. Interface TO the client ( don't embed it ) and demand more flexibility from your apps. For the long haul translate ips into little character strigs since no average user seems able to tell their pal that morning's assigned IP but can tell all their pals and enemies their tinyurl.
Then voila you securely replace the proprietary model wee whoopty doo. It would take less thought or work than:
Open source community coded astronomy sim
Open source " " racing sim
" " " " golf sim
" " " " any other also by-the-book program that actually includes physics
Get real
I dont even use skype
missiles are noisy and needlessly, senselessly destructive. too many collateral casualties and too much unwanted attention. this is the nineties, people. we have aerosol propelled chemical weapons. you can drop a bulb the size of your paintgun's baby co2 canister right between a target's feet and have your choice of impact or radio release. tsch. missiles. as if!
Masturbate much?
HEY MASTURBATE A LOT, DO YA?
Just put something on your nose, that'll fix it!
fuuuuccckkk
*gruffle gruffle* "oohh oi we've got to, something's wrong with the p.h.d. system"
"ohhh the p.h.d. systemmmm?"
"right!"
"ohh well rather, blah blah, blah blah blah"
"i have a degree in that! blah blah blah BLAH!"
"blah BLAH blah"
"BLAHBLAH"
blah, blah, blah...
Why would they risk their image? The upcoming elections are going to be haRd enough on the ruling party. This is like suicide. There is already strong resentment because of allegations and discoveries of cover ups.
No, MY ass. The only thing Kaku is concerned (or specialized) in mitigating is his well-earned reputation as a fringe mascot.
It's great how you've presented each POV. I am entirely in the dark on handheld gaming right now.
You might not be surprised that I (and some) would argue all four sides independently.
Full ownership, good. It's yours to fuck up as you please, including the quality of your gaming experience.
And yeah, it sure sucks competing against the borg. You shouldn't be allowed on the network with a hacked console, or, if the parent company feels generous, you shouldn't e allowed on the mainstream network with a hacked console but have to stay in some overcrowded semi public channels.
And sure, it's Sony's network and it's their manifest destiny (we could say) to fuck with your device that they built in a way that you don't know squat about before it happens because micro technology has progressed so far that such a method is possible.
And right, that pisses some people off (me, included) mostly because it goes against the concept of honest business and is akin to selling booby traps. So governments representing the people should take issue.
Its a bright opportunity to design new ware and new methods to ensure that the arguments for and against console hacking are satisfied. It's the best business model and other approaches should be seen as the result of failing to appeal to the cognitive elite and instead asking marketers about security and accountants about response.
What will happen instead is the old arena-based bickering and rebellious super vocalizing of (ultimately) self-inflicted malcontent, crying over the obvious economic sink of entertainment funds and loathing over the ridiculousness of such matters as so weighty in times of global economic turmoil, and therefore less attention paid to more important matters leading to even greater ignorance, setting populations up for repeat performances of the whole "who could have predicted such a tragedy, it's just like in the movies" posturing and swooning.
OBviously, SOMEone didn't even notice that sci-fi IS dead!
Just in time for the Beastie Boys Hot Sauce Committee Part Two!
The article is actually about "FBI releases disowned curio-artifact report verifying the continued rejection by 'the establishment' of the idea of UFOs at Roswell"
she'll feel great and natural, more relaxed and ready because she'll be naked.