You only need a 128MB graphics card to get all the fancy graphics in Vista - how much will one of those cost? Oh about $10 - whoopy - so what! Move along nothing to see here.
Except that if you buy Vista with a new PC it will NEVER cost $250+ because you get an OEM copy - which whilst being the exact same software costs 1/3 of the price or less.
Seems like you didn't bother to check your options did you.
I admit I like MS products, flame me all you want. I admit from what I have read in the many postings here that some of what MS does is plain wrong.
HOWEVER!!! A post like this comes a long which is complete BS.
May be it is different in the US but in the UK I can get a brand new OEM machine with XP on it absolutately no problem, hell even DELL still give you the option to have XP.
In short you paid money for Vista which you say you don't want - well that's your own laziness and stupidity then isn't it!
Okay fair enough from what you've said here your not as bad as most/.'ers.
But come on, you are seriously joking about the drivers right?
Your talking about code, kernel, compiling etc... these are all words that the home market will not tolerate. They expect to just turn it on and have it work or automatically update itself. They don't expect to have to keep checking forums and websites on the off chance that - in your own words "Kernel Hackers" - have bothered to write drivers for there obscure cheap-o device they picked up. With Windows this doesn't happen drivers will be available immediately with the hardware out of the box. In the case of Vista out of it's box it does come with a hell of a lot of drivers. As I said I only had to get 2 - X-Fi Elite Pro and Nvidia 8800, the later being virtual bleeding edge tech so it's to be expected. Over the next few months what is the betting that all new hardware will come with Vista drivers?
I've had Windows since back in the day (v3.1) when it wasn't even an OS it was just a GUI on top of DOS, I've been through 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP and now Vista and I have never ever had a Virus. Since switching from 9x to an NT based system the only time I have ever had a BSOD was when using beta drivers for hardware. And in Vista when the NVidia driver screwed up the screen flickered off and then back on normal again before Vista told me with a balloon tip on the systray that the drivers had screwed up but it restarted them!
Until a Linux system can be fetched from a shop or come with a PC fully installed and Joe Bloggs can go to the shop and buy a new add-in device of some description and have it work out the box without having to trawl the internet then Linux will never beat Windows ever and with all the geeks and anti-MS people supporting Linux I can't see that changing any time soon.
Where do all these Linux drivers come from? Not from the hardware manufacturers (well a few perhaps like NVidia) that's for sure. Over the years I've had loads of pieces of PC hardware and virtually none of it has had Linux drivers on the CD out of the box.
MS software has in the past worked on Mips and Alpha but usually only the server versions not the ones destined for workstations. It is not up to Microsoft to provide hardware support! It is the hardware manufacturers!
I guess between the lines of my posts is just annoyance at a lot of posters here on./.
Example - in one article there were loads of follow up comments complaining about the number of versions of Vista and how confusing this was. HELLO! How many different flavours of Linux are there? A damn sight more than Vista you can't argue with that it's a fact. Despite what people on here say about their mums, dads, cousins, grandmas etc.. the vast majority of people would not have the time, energy or know-how to work out how to get Linux going, with Windows it's a no-brainer.
Lastly if Linux is so brilliant, stable, secure and useable then why is it doing so bad against Windows on the desktop market?
Don't give me any of that bull about MS forcing Dell etc... to put it on there machines either. People still have to pay for it and as is often said Linux is free! Since it's free then why isn't it doing better?
I know no one is going to agree (apart from one response to this message thread) but sometimes it is just sickening about how much MS hate there is.
I installed Vista myself, which is no claim to fame as it is so simple to install a blind monkey could do it.
The thing about XP device manager vs. Vista was simply making the statement that Vista comes with plenty of drivers. Some people were trying to make out that included drivers were rubbish.
No this is not a troll post, I'm just sick of reading Linux fanboys making out how Linux is so good whilst Windows is rubbish, but glossing over the fact that there are several things which Linux isn't great on. I think one of the other posts on this article was something to do with all the tons of different ways to install software and how the different methods don't sit well together. Well quite simply put in Windows you never have to care about this you just run the set-up program, follow the prompts and your done.
Funny how comments that aren't slagging MS get critised as trolling. I admit I don't know much about Linux other than other colleagues of mine (I work in I.T.) tell me and some of them use a flavour of Linux as their main OS.
I had an XP machine and waited for Vista to get a brand new machine - custom built obviously not some Dell crap.
In short I got a Core 2 Duo 6700, 3GB Ram, 80GB & 250GB SATAII drives, 8800 GTS Graphics, Creative X-Fi Elite Pro, ViewSonic 22" WS and I had an old HP Laserjet 6P printer and an HP PSC all-in-one via my home network already.
Out of the box every piece of hardware worked. The only thing I needed to get updated drivers for were the graphics and sound (beta ones still but they work). Printer, LAN, USB everything just worked.
Vista works well and I've had no problems. In fact on my old machine I had 2 items in device manager with exclamations and I never knew what the hell they were, in Vista (admittedly different hardware) not an exclamation in sight.
All the Linux fanboys on here must be real master dojo experts in it, because colleagues of mine who use Linux have told me about little issues like when upgrading the kernel to the latest version because it supported some more hardware and then existing hardware that previously worked stopped work, NICE!! What a lot of you guys forget is that there are millions (if not billions) of different hardware combinations of PC hardware out there and you're trying to make out that Linux is the saviour and will work on anything whilst laughing at Vista - you are bare-faced lying and you know it.
Vista may not work on everyones machines fully, you may even have to use a couple of beta drivers to start with but Linux is exactly the same. The only difference being that with Vista the situation WILL improve over time, not sure the same can be said for the next version of UBER-GIJoe Linux or whatever the current popular flavour is are you?
Depends on which vendors your talking about.
If a user is stupid enough to buy from the likes of Dell then maybe but 100% fact if they buy from a local independant they can have whatever they want. An independant buys there software from a supplier NOT Microsoft so MS cannot influence the price at all.
Also what a lot of/.ers forget is that Joe Bloggs elderly person or Mum and Dad who want a computer typically want it for email, internet and word processing therefore they can get this with Vista for UK £500 the equivalent Mac would cost them way more than that which they simply will not do. They could use Linux or whatever but they simply will not do that because they don't have the knowledge. Whatever people here say Windows is not hard to use and the vast majority of the time with a computer for the tasks mentioned earlier the above types of people can just turn it on and it will work. The same is not true for Linux and although true for a Mac I refer back to my comments on price.
Not suprisingly amongst the MS-hating ignorance of/.'ers this post is WRONG!!!
You CAN change the email address of your windows live ID to one completely of your own.
I know 100% fact that you can because I had the same issue with my XBox360, I changed my email address to one provided by my ISP instead of a web one and found I couldn't update my live ID email as the original poster said, however not long after I complained to MS they updated the account settings page for it so that you could. I changed my email address and the next time I switched on my 360 it magically updated to show the new email address. MS changed this well over a month ago.
In case you don't want to believe MS did some thing right simply go to login.live.com, login, on the account summary page click the [change] link next to your email address. On the following page you have two options - use a hotmail address or use one of your own, obviously you choose the later and then enter your email address.
You are seriously joking right?
SlashDot and the majority of it's readers are the most anti-Microsoft people any where.
Whenever there is an article on here about MS it immediately gets jumped on by the Linux/Unix/OSX fan boys and ripped to shreads.
In fact if MS wiped out world hunger most people on here would still not have a good comment to add to the post.
But I'm sure your post was a joke, just a very bad one.
What a suprise slashdot/firefox fan boys don't mind the bugs in FF.
If this was a bug being reported in IE you guys would be slagging both it and MS off even if you could simply turn script off, or wait for the patch. But because it's not IE (or an MS product for that matter) you don't bat an eyelid, further more you have a go at MS even though it's a FF problem, for crying-out-loud. You guys are such hypocrites.
Oh and by the way MS release patches quite regularly (although they get slagged off for that as well, they can't win).
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You only need a 128MB graphics card to get all the fancy graphics in Vista - how much will one of those cost? Oh about $10 - whoopy - so what!
Move along nothing to see here.
Except that if you buy Vista with a new PC it will NEVER cost $250+ because you get an OEM copy - which whilst being the exact same software costs 1/3 of the price or less.
Seems like you didn't bother to check your options did you.
I admit I like MS products, flame me all you want. I admit from what I have read in the many postings here that some of what MS does is plain wrong. HOWEVER!!! A post like this comes a long which is complete BS. May be it is different in the US but in the UK I can get a brand new OEM machine with XP on it absolutately no problem, hell even DELL still give you the option to have XP.
In short you paid money for Vista which you say you don't want - well that's your own laziness and stupidity then isn't it!
Okay fair enough from what you've said here your not as bad as most /.'ers.
But come on, you are seriously joking about the drivers right?
Your talking about code, kernel, compiling etc... these are all words that the home market will not tolerate. They expect to just turn it on and have it work or automatically update itself. They don't expect to have to keep checking forums and websites on the off chance that - in your own words "Kernel Hackers" - have bothered to write drivers for there obscure cheap-o device they picked up. With Windows this doesn't happen drivers will be available immediately with the hardware out of the box. In the case of Vista out of it's box it does come with a hell of a lot of drivers. As I said I only had to get 2 - X-Fi Elite Pro and Nvidia 8800, the later being virtual bleeding edge tech so it's to be expected. Over the next few months what is the betting that all new hardware will come with Vista drivers?
I've had Windows since back in the day (v3.1) when it wasn't even an OS it was just a GUI on top of DOS, I've been through 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP and now Vista and I have never ever had a Virus. Since switching from 9x to an NT based system the only time I have ever had a BSOD was when using beta drivers for hardware. And in Vista when the NVidia driver screwed up the screen flickered off and then back on normal again before Vista told me with a balloon tip on the systray that the drivers had screwed up but it restarted them!
Until a Linux system can be fetched from a shop or come with a PC fully installed and Joe Bloggs can go to the shop and buy a new add-in device of some description and have it work out the box without having to trawl the internet then Linux will never beat Windows ever and with all the geeks and anti-MS people supporting Linux I can't see that changing any time soon.
Where do all these Linux drivers come from? Not from the hardware manufacturers (well a few perhaps like NVidia) that's for sure. Over the years I've had loads of pieces of PC hardware and virtually none of it has had Linux drivers on the CD out of the box.
MS software has in the past worked on Mips and Alpha but usually only the server versions not the ones destined for workstations. It is not up to Microsoft to provide hardware support! It is the hardware manufacturers!
I guess between the lines of my posts is just annoyance at a lot of posters here on ./.
Lastly if Linux is so brilliant, stable, secure and useable then why is it doing so bad against Windows on the desktop market?Example - in one article there were loads of follow up comments complaining about the number of versions of Vista and how confusing this was. HELLO! How many different flavours of Linux are there? A damn sight more than Vista you can't argue with that it's a fact. Despite what people on here say about their mums, dads, cousins, grandmas etc.. the vast majority of people would not have the time, energy or know-how to work out how to get Linux going, with Windows it's a no-brainer.
Don't give me any of that bull about MS forcing Dell etc... to put it on there machines either. People still have to pay for it and as is often said Linux is free! Since it's free then why isn't it doing better? I know no one is going to agree (apart from one response to this message thread) but sometimes it is just sickening about how much MS hate there is.
I installed Vista myself, which is no claim to fame as it is so simple to install a blind monkey could do it. The thing about XP device manager vs. Vista was simply making the statement that Vista comes with plenty of drivers. Some people were trying to make out that included drivers were rubbish.
No this is not a troll post, I'm just sick of reading Linux fanboys making out how Linux is so good whilst Windows is rubbish, but glossing over the fact that there are several things which Linux isn't great on. I think one of the other posts on this article was something to do with all the tons of different ways to install software and how the different methods don't sit well together. Well quite simply put in Windows you never have to care about this you just run the set-up program, follow the prompts and your done.
Funny how comments that aren't slagging MS get critised as trolling. I admit I don't know much about Linux other than other colleagues of mine (I work in I.T.) tell me and some of them use a flavour of Linux as their main OS.I had an XP machine and waited for Vista to get a brand new machine - custom built obviously not some Dell crap. In short I got a Core 2 Duo 6700, 3GB Ram, 80GB & 250GB SATAII drives, 8800 GTS Graphics, Creative X-Fi Elite Pro, ViewSonic 22" WS and I had an old HP Laserjet 6P printer and an HP PSC all-in-one via my home network already.
Out of the box every piece of hardware worked. The only thing I needed to get updated drivers for were the graphics and sound (beta ones still but they work). Printer, LAN, USB everything just worked.
Vista works well and I've had no problems. In fact on my old machine I had 2 items in device manager with exclamations and I never knew what the hell they were, in Vista (admittedly different hardware) not an exclamation in sight.
All the Linux fanboys on here must be real master dojo experts in it, because colleagues of mine who use Linux have told me about little issues like when upgrading the kernel to the latest version because it supported some more hardware and then existing hardware that previously worked stopped work, NICE!! What a lot of you guys forget is that there are millions (if not billions) of different hardware combinations of PC hardware out there and you're trying to make out that Linux is the saviour and will work on anything whilst laughing at Vista - you are bare-faced lying and you know it.
Vista may not work on everyones machines fully, you may even have to use a couple of beta drivers to start with but Linux is exactly the same. The only difference being that with Vista the situation WILL improve over time, not sure the same can be said for the next version of UBER-GIJoe Linux or whatever the current popular flavour is are you?
Depends on which vendors your talking about. If a user is stupid enough to buy from the likes of Dell then maybe but 100% fact if they buy from a local independant they can have whatever they want. An independant buys there software from a supplier NOT Microsoft so MS cannot influence the price at all. Also what a lot of /.ers forget is that Joe Bloggs elderly person or Mum and Dad who want a computer typically want it for email, internet and word processing therefore they can get this with Vista for UK £500 the equivalent Mac would cost them way more than that which they simply will not do. They could use Linux or whatever but they simply will not do that because they don't have the knowledge. Whatever people here say Windows is not hard to use and the vast majority of the time with a computer for the tasks mentioned earlier the above types of people can just turn it on and it will work. The same is not true for Linux and although true for a Mac I refer back to my comments on price.
Not suprisingly amongst the MS-hating ignorance of /.'ers this post is WRONG!!!
You CAN change the email address of your windows live ID to one completely of your own.
I know 100% fact that you can because I had the same issue with my XBox360, I changed my email address to one provided by my ISP instead of a web one and found I couldn't update my live ID email as the original poster said, however not long after I complained to MS they updated the account settings page for it so that you could. I changed my email address and the next time I switched on my 360 it magically updated to show the new email address. MS changed this well over a month ago.
In case you don't want to believe MS did some thing right simply go to login.live.com, login, on the account summary page click the [change] link next to your email address. On the following page you have two options - use a hotmail address or use one of your own, obviously you choose the later and then enter your email address.
You are seriously joking right? SlashDot and the majority of it's readers are the most anti-Microsoft people any where. Whenever there is an article on here about MS it immediately gets jumped on by the Linux/Unix/OSX fan boys and ripped to shreads. In fact if MS wiped out world hunger most people on here would still not have a good comment to add to the post. But I'm sure your post was a joke, just a very bad one.
Er? Except the 360 does NOT run Windows.
You are such a biggoted fuckwit it is unreal.
What is "J/K, I'm not gay" suppose to mean?
There's nothing wrong with being gay!
What a suprise slashdot/firefox fan boys don't mind the bugs in FF. If this was a bug being reported in IE you guys would be slagging both it and MS off even if you could simply turn script off, or wait for the patch. But because it's not IE (or an MS product for that matter) you don't bat an eyelid, further more you have a go at MS even though it's a FF problem, for crying-out-loud. You guys are such hypocrites. Oh and by the way MS release patches quite regularly (although they get slagged off for that as well, they can't win).