Is the spec open?? A quick search through their site found:
System Requirements Windows 95 or NT 40.
A search of Freshmeat for vqf returned nil. A search of Altavista for vqf linux returned a bunch of pirated music sites with no mention of a vqf player sourcecode. Am I missing something here?
Be this the case, the spec is not open and is too difficult to hack, it is bound to die.
I would more than gladly go to VQF if I could find source for a player/encoder.
For a small buisness, sounds like cheap hardware + linux would be the optimum solution in terms of price.
Why pay $1500-$2000 for that? I picked up a no-frills p2 400 256mb ram for about $800 (no monitor of course) and put linux on it at no cost Used a cheap monitor from an old 386 i had around.
Hardware maker should be encouraged to release hardware specifications! This is going in the opposite direction from what we want.
I agree. While it is nice to have a standard, and it would be double nice to be able to have the newest wizbang hardware run under Linux, I think this is just going to encourage vendors to keep their specs secret.
And that is a Bad Thing.
Stand up and say NO to UDI in the Linux Kernel. If it is put in as a patch, let us not compile it in!
Notice the thing about alignment. You don't go down in score for a positive rating, even if that rating is below your current default. You only lose points for posts moderated all the way to -1. So for a +4 person who posts something mediocre, being moderated to a 2 or a 1 isn't bad at all.
Well...I think it could happen this way: You post a comment. Starts at 1. (Lets say your align is 4). Someone with moderator status bumps the post up to, say 2. Well, that gives you enough points to start at default level 2. (I think it is align of 5 that starts you at default 2). You get used to this new default. But then a different moderator lowers your post back down to 1. Then I think you would go back down to default 1.
Of course, It wouldn't happen very often. And more than likely, you wouldn't even notice that you went from align 4 to 5 and back to 4. But with the amount of people that post...it could happen.
*shrug* I would like to be able to self moderate a post down, tho. And maybe have that not count against you.
They say to themselves 'Hey.. there are a whole lot of geeks out there who could be working for us... for free! And we get good PR simultaneously! How could we -not- lose?'
I agree totaly. Those companies who have "open-sourced" their software are not in it for the good of the community. They're in it because it is the latest rage, and they think they can get free work done by geeks.
But really, we don't need their software anyway. Thanks to the FSF (and no I don't call Linux GNU/Linux;-) and the multitudes of hackers out there, we have enough (really) free software out there--we don't need that other crap.
True, RMS does want the attention GNU/Linux has gained but not for himself. He wants it for the ``cause''.
Good point (and probably the best argument I have heard for calling it GNU/Linux), but...
If this is so, I don't think RMS is going about it the right way. Let's assume he wants the attention Linux is getting to go to all Free Software, and the Free Software philosophy. Fine.
But I don't think that being a childish about it (See original post) is going to help. This whole thing about "if you don't agree with me, you just haven't been shown the way" is not going to help "the cause."
FreeBSD,Linux,Hurd,minux,... all need GNU no exceptions
Okay. Theyn why isn't RMS bitching about people not calling FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD?
Point is, this is all about attention--and being pissed off about not getting it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I respect RMS, (and I certainly couldn't get any usefull work done without much of the software released by the FSF).
But this all comes down to the bottom line: Linux is getting attention as the "free" OS in the media. RMS wants the attention since he started GNU before Linux was was started. If he didn't want people using his software in other systems, he should not have released it to the public.
If you read the FreeBSD FAQ item 1.3, you will find that some of the FreeBSD codes are licensed under GNU GPL. In other words, if it is not because of Richard Stallman and the GNU, FreeBSD may not be as well developed as it is today.
Maybe. But you don't hear RMS bitching and crying about calling FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD, do you?
These people don't care about freedom. It's not surprising they don't care about freedom because nobody ever talked to them about freedom.
That is basically saying that the only people who disagree with you, are those who have not been educated in your ways. That is utter crap. Some people really just want to browse the web. They don't care what they use to do it.
So we've succeeded. We've produced the GNU system. Even though people call it Linux, they still have the benefit of freedom when they use this system.
snip
The GNU system, whether you call it GNU or whether you think it's Linux...
(Bold tags added by me.)
Boy, it is a good thing we have RMS around to take credit for everything. We wouldn't want him to be left out of the spotlight would we? No body could possibly disagree with him. If they do, they just don't understand.
Heh
Sorry about all of the sarcasm.
I sure hope the call the HURD kernel Linux/HURD, since from what I understand, HURD uses parts of the Linux kernel.
Presumably if only crap music is coming out, then only crap mp3s are coming out.
Yep. The growth my mp3 collection has dropped off sharply. Most of the new ones I get now have been ripped from my own cd's. And since I find it hard to find non-crap cd's, very few new mp3's have been ripped. *sigh*
I'm just waiting for the new Dr. Octagon release--been a while since 1996. Even tho he is going more mainstream now.
They said it dropped a mere 4% in the 15-24 age range. Big freakin deal.
I know the reason I haven't bought many cd's lately is cause there isn't anything good coming out. It has all been crap lately in the mainstream record industry. Formula bands that target demographics make me sick.
As far as mp3's go, if I like the music enough, I will buy the cd. I like to listen to music while I drive and I don't think that I will be getting a computer for my car any time soon. It would cost more than my car itself.;-)
The record industry is just fishing for something bad to blame on mp3's. They know it. We know it.
They need to get over it. They can't stop mp3's. There is no technical solution for some guy in his basement ripping all of his cd's and uploading them somewhere.
Look, you're not going to change the world. You're not going to get rid of business and ring in the Utopia.
I don't think business (or even commercial) software is really the problem. They both have their place. It is the potential misuse of the OS community that I am worried about.
so what if companies are opening up source to get other people to fix their bugs? So what? At least the damn bugs DO get fixed, and we're all better off as a result.
And what about those honest people who work for a living that are no longer needed to fix their company's bugs? If I were paid to write free software, I would be most happy. But I am not. I have to work for a living. I don't want to be cut by my company because it thinks it can whore writers of free software.
I would rather a company open it's standards and api's. That allows others to play but wont cost jobs. We don't *need* Novel's code. Or Apple's code. There is more than enough free software out there to do what they do.
Companies like Novel are going "open" to increase their market share and to get a quick, free fix on their code.
How does the fact that domain names are I.P., but IP addresses are more like telephone numbers work together?
(Arrg. Someone in washington needs to get rid of internic.)
Sounds like government swaying to the needs of big businesses. Hehe. You love them and you hate them. On one hand they combat MS for us little people, but on the other, they say we are not important enough to have a domain name.
I think this is just further proof that the internet is turning into a pile of commercial shit. If business had its way, we would have an internet full of nothing but adverts, with no real content at all.
Again, we owe our thanks to the people out there who work hard to provide content for us and try to keep it from going to commercial hell.
Now, I don't know much about Netware, or exactly what code that Novel has released...but...
I'm not so sure about all of these companies "opening" their source. Seems like most of them (ie Apple) just want to use the Open Source community to help them fix their problems.
Novel said that "opening" their source helps create community. But do we really *need* their source? Wouldn't it be better if they opened and standardized their protocols, api's, etc? There would be no "help me, help me! fix my source so I can sell it!" using of the Open Source community.
I dunno, I guess I am just a little sickened by the recent half ass move toward Open Source in the buisness community. Seems like it is just to whore us to make more money.
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Actually, if they're suing anyone it should be the parents of the shooter for doing a damn poor joob of raising a kid
Damn straight.
From the article: The suit also claims Carneal was an avid computer user who logged onto Internet porn sites to view sexually violent material.
What kind of parents let their 14 year old kid do stuff like this? Hollywood should not be sued. His parents should be sued for negligence.
Put up the slogan.
Let them sue all of us. Hehe.
Is the spec open?? A quick search through their site found:
System Requirements
Windows 95 or NT 40.
A search of Freshmeat for vqf returned nil. A search of Altavista for vqf linux returned a bunch of pirated music sites with no mention of a vqf player sourcecode. Am I missing something here?
Be this the case, the spec is not open and is too difficult to hack, it is bound to die.
I would more than gladly go to VQF if I could find source for a player/encoder.
For a small buisness, sounds like cheap hardware + linux would be the optimum solution in terms of price.
Why pay $1500-$2000 for that? I picked up a no-frills p2 400 256mb ram for about $800 (no monitor of course) and put linux on it at no cost Used a cheap monitor from an old 386 i had around.
Much better than a sealed NT Embedded box IMHO.
From encoding our cd's in mp3. Doesn't require any new hardware. Any credit cards. Anything like that. And I can have all my music in one place.
Fsck these new "mp3 killer" formats.
This will be the first bit of software I have bought ina long time. Most everything that runs on my boxen (exception: netscape) is free.
But I think I'll pay for Civ. Civ is good. Civ is reasonable. Civ will suck all of my free time away.
Hardware maker should be encouraged to release hardware specifications! This is going in the opposite direction from what we want.
I agree. While it is nice to have a standard, and it would be double nice to be able to have the newest wizbang hardware run under Linux, I think this is just going to encourage vendors to keep their specs secret.
And that is a Bad Thing.
Stand up and say NO to UDI in the Linux Kernel. If it is put in as a patch, let us not compile it in!
Long live the GOSL!
Oh lord. Let's not give this man any ideas. He seems to be searching around blindly for them.
I consider myself a democrat, but Gore makes me sick.
Hehehe.
Seems that is all that most people think of it.
Could everyone *please* stop trying to jump on the boat to get more publicity?
*grumble*
To own an Intel processor.
This kinda thing has to stop. But I suppose that AMD would do the same if they had the market share of Intel.
What is the world coming to?
Oh well.
Notice the thing about alignment. You don't go down in score for a positive rating, even if that rating is below your current default. You only lose points for posts moderated all the way to -1. So for a +4 person who posts something mediocre, being moderated to a 2 or a 1 isn't bad at all.
Well...I think it could happen this way: You post a comment. Starts at 1. (Lets say your align is 4). Someone with moderator status bumps the post up to, say 2. Well, that gives you enough points to start at default level 2. (I think it is align of 5 that starts you at default 2). You get used to this new default. But then a different moderator lowers your post back down to 1. Then I think you would go back down to default 1.
Of course, It wouldn't happen very often. And more than likely, you wouldn't even notice that you went from align 4 to 5 and back to 4. But with the amount of people that post...it could happen.
*shrug* I would like to be able to self moderate a post down, tho. And maybe have that not count against you.
They say to themselves 'Hey.. there are a whole lot of geeks out there who could be working for us... for free! And we get good PR simultaneously! How could we -not- lose?'
I agree totaly. Those companies who have "open-sourced" their software are not in it for the good of the community. They're in it because it is the latest rage, and they think they can get free work done by geeks.
But really, we don't need their software anyway. Thanks to the FSF (and no I don't call Linux GNU/Linux ;-) and the multitudes of hackers out there, we have enough (really) free software out there--we don't need that other crap.
True, RMS does want the attention GNU/Linux has gained but not for himself. He wants it for the ``cause''.
Good point (and probably the best argument I have heard for calling it GNU/Linux), but...
If this is so, I don't think RMS is going about it the right way. Let's assume he wants the attention Linux is getting to go to all Free Software, and the Free Software philosophy. Fine.
But I don't think that being a childish about it (See original post) is going to help. This whole thing about "if you don't agree with me, you just haven't been shown the way" is not going to help "the cause."
FreeBSD,Linux,Hurd,minux,... all need GNU no exceptions
Okay. Theyn why isn't RMS bitching about people not calling FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD?
Point is, this is all about attention--and being pissed off about not getting it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I respect RMS, (and I certainly couldn't get any usefull work done without much of the software released by the FSF).
But this all comes down to the bottom line: Linux is getting attention as the "free" OS in the media. RMS wants the attention since he started GNU before Linux was was started. If he didn't want people using his software in other systems, he should not have released it to the public.
If you read the FreeBSD FAQ item 1.3, you will find that some of the FreeBSD codes are licensed under GNU GPL. In other words, if it is not because of Richard Stallman and the GNU, FreeBSD may not be as well developed as it is today.
Maybe. But you don't hear RMS bitching and crying about calling FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD, do you?
These people don't care about freedom. It's not surprising they don't care about freedom because nobody ever talked to them about freedom.
That is basically saying that the only people who disagree with you, are those who have not been educated in your ways. That is utter crap. Some people really just want to browse the web. They don't care what they use to do it.
So we've succeeded. We've produced the GNU system. Even though people call it Linux, they still have the benefit of freedom when they use this system.
snip
The GNU system, whether you call it GNU or whether you think it's Linux...
(Bold tags added by me.)
Boy, it is a good thing we have RMS around to take credit for everything. We wouldn't want him to be left out of the spotlight would we? No body could possibly disagree with him. If they do, they just don't understand.
Heh
Sorry about all of the sarcasm.
I sure hope the call the HURD kernel Linux/HURD, since from what I understand, HURD uses parts of the Linux kernel.
Presumably if only crap music is coming out, then only crap mp3s are coming out.
Yep. The growth my mp3 collection has dropped off sharply. Most of the new ones I get now have been ripped from my own cd's. And since I find it hard to find non-crap cd's, very few new mp3's have been ripped. *sigh*
I'm just waiting for the new Dr. Octagon release--been a while since 1996. Even tho he is going more mainstream now.
They said it dropped a mere 4% in the 15-24 age range. Big freakin deal.
;-)
I know the reason I haven't bought many cd's lately is cause there isn't anything good coming out. It has all been crap lately in the mainstream record industry. Formula bands that target demographics make me sick.
As far as mp3's go, if I like the music enough, I will buy the cd. I like to listen to music while I drive and I don't think that I will be getting a computer for my car any time soon. It would cost more than my car itself.
The record industry is just fishing for something bad to blame on mp3's. They know it. We know it.
They need to get over it. They can't stop mp3's. There is no technical solution for some guy in his basement ripping all of his cd's and uploading them somewhere.
Long live mp3's!
:-)
Sounding more and more likely to me.
But then again they went down so hard that I can't even read the story.
Hehe.
Look, you're not going to change the world. You're not going to get rid of business and ring in the Utopia.
I don't think business (or even commercial) software is really the problem. They both have their place. It is the potential misuse of the OS community that I am worried about.
so what if companies are opening up source to get other people to fix their bugs? So what? At least the damn bugs DO get fixed, and we're all better off as a result.
And what about those honest people who work for a living that are no longer needed to fix their company's bugs? If I were paid to write free software, I would be most happy. But I am not. I have to work for a living. I don't want to be cut by my company because it thinks it can whore writers of free software.
I would rather a company open it's standards and api's. That allows others to play but wont cost jobs. We don't *need* Novel's code. Or Apple's code. There is more than enough free software out there to do what they do.
Companies like Novel are going "open" to increase their market share and to get a quick, free fix on their code.
How does the fact that domain names are I.P., but IP addresses are more like telephone numbers work together?
(Arrg. Someone in washington needs to get rid of internic.)
Sounds like government swaying to the needs of big businesses. Hehe. You love them and you hate them. On one hand they combat MS for us little people, but on the other, they say we are not important enough to have a domain name.
I think this is just further proof that the internet is turning into a pile of commercial shit. If business had its way, we would have an internet full of nothing but adverts, with no real content at all.
Again, we owe our thanks to the people out there who work hard to provide content for us and try to keep it from going to commercial hell.
Religion has a dominant part in our history. It is the greatest force for oppression and misery the world has ever known.
That is ***EXACTLY*** why it is important that we understand it.
Or would you rather try to live in ignorance and hope that you dont get oppressed?
Or even constitutional.
We study the good as well as the bad. If we don't , we repeat the mistakes of the past.
Plain and simple.
Now, I don't know much about Netware, or exactly what code that Novel has released...but...
I'm not so sure about all of these companies "opening" their source. Seems like most of them (ie Apple) just want to use the Open Source community to help them fix their problems.
Novel said that "opening" their source helps create community. But do we really *need* their source? Wouldn't it be better if they opened and standardized their protocols, api's, etc? There would be no "help me, help me! fix my source so I can sell it!" using of the Open Source community.
I dunno, I guess I am just a little sickened by the recent half ass move toward Open Source in the buisness community. Seems like it is just to whore us to make more money.
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