Slashdot Mirror
Al Gore Goes "Open Source"
Mike@ABC
writes "Can a web site be open source? Al Gore says so,
and the man did create the Internet, after all.
Gore is looking for people to contribute code for his presidential campaign site.
The page says: "This is your web site -- IT'S OPEN SOURCE --
and I want you to help us build it."
" They even have a cute little "Gore 2000 Logo" for
officially approved "Gore 2000 Merchandise". And Tipper
has her own section! Funniest thing I've seen all morning.
I wonder if this will meet the open source requirements.
Too many of the American sheeple do what they're told they should do, they think what they're told they should think.
Just as the issue earlier this year was "private life" versus illegality, people will believe that Gore is the good guy, because the mainstream media will tell them to.
Lord Kano (Too lazy to log in)
Hell, if things worked your way, then anybody could claim to run an "open source" project if they allowed people to give them feedback. I guess that mean that all Microsoft products are open source too, since you know... people call and say, "Hey, I wish MS Office could do this." Hey, look, I just made Office an Open Source project.
yeah... right.
I like Al Gore, just because he is an eco-nazis. I for one am willing to cut him some slack. Saying that he founded the internet...well, that was going too far, but saying his web page is "Open Source" isn't so bad. It reminds me of what someone with too little knowledge would do if s/he wanted to be a part of the "Open Source" world. What other presidential candidate would even try to be involved in this 'movement'?
Spam them back. Sign all their addresses up for the mailing list
No, George Bush Jr. needs to open source his daughters.
Well, I've only seen a pic of one of them. She's a cutie. And she'll be legal by the time he takes office...
Gore's a friend of recycling, so I flushed all his speeches on his site through my Rhetorical Rhetoric Recycling program. Here's what came out:
"We are fighting to make it easier for communities to extend sewage lines far out into undeveloped areas rather than spending those funds for needed
improvements and expansions in places where young and old who thank me for the next bold step: we must act today to announce here that our veteran
population is aging -- and companies with jobs that require higher levels of education and research as powerful engines of growth in the 21st
Century -- a livable community while preserving historic areas before rushing to build confidence in self-government -- then our normal healthy skepticism can fall into a thriving residential community."
Should I donate this program to him?
Yes, he's *very* trying. The man's speechwriters can't be bothered to learn the first thing about anything he raves about, so he comes off sounding like an idiot - a mortal sin among hackers, who treasure cleverness.
And as for the opportunities, IMHO a victory for Tipper Gore's husband would set US civil liberties back many years. And even if not for that, he's just another suit with delusions of grandeur, who can't be held to his word (how committed could he be if he doesn't even understand?)
I seriously doubt that the OpenSource mark is defensible in court - especially with an interveening space. The Apache group used 'open source' as a term of art for several years.
A USPTO registration means diddly squat these days. All it proves is that someone swore an affidavit to the effect the mark was not used by anyone else previously - to the best of their knowledge.
anyway i dont live in the US
Take me with you! The whole country's gone insane!
Shutup and go watch opera for awhile, Moron.
Just wanted to say to the person "so wise in the ways of science" that he/she should do less talking and more thinking.
So what if GORE declared his site "open source". They're obviously not asking people to develop an AL GORE operating system. It's just their way of asking everyone out here for their input. The point is that if you can help - help.
To say nothing of his "Privacy laws are what OTHER PEOPLE should abide by" attitude; see2 29-418358-0,00.html
http://www.techserver.com/story/0,1643,35527-57
"Vote for us! I'm Open Source(tm) and he's a Geek (pat pend)!"
so I can burn it. Maybe then it would be open
source?
There would not have been a whitehouse.gov site without Gore. Until whitehouse.gov went online no Fortune 500 company would give us the time of day.
It is very easy for slashdot weanies to pooh pooh Gore. Fact is I don't see anyone here who played any part in creating the Internet or the Web - what the heck do you guys know? Unlike Gore's detractors I worked for Tim Berners-Lee for 3 years, I also worked with the people who put together the Whitehouse site.
I had to use lynx to view the page. Netscape wouldn't let me change the font size on the first page.
OK Al Gore might be clue impaired, and I'd like to see him try to make room for more feet in his mouth, but come on.... A person that can't see is blind. There's no reason to to be poltically correct about something as trivial as blindness is it? Well nevermind - I have been a bit satisfaction impaired lately...
If they allow a derived work to be distributed, they'd be Open even when they can't agree to publish it themselves. Linus discriminates against lousy coders, but that's okay since anyone who needs to fork the Linux kernel can.
Dole, well, he seems a bit out his mind lately, but at least he seems like the average american.
I meant Elizabeth, not Bob! Anyways, they both seem a lot happier now that Bob's on Viagra...
ALGORE will NOT win. He has NO support. He is so low in the polls that the Republicans are sure to win. (Thank God!!)
Gore is a brain dead git and a left wing exremist to boot. So are his supporters....
One could say that by concocting such ridiculous pap, the people he is writing to are disrespecting the entire open source/free software community.
and his foot in his mouth!
I'm guessing each was about half. People with clues use comp.lang.c++.moderated.
You should try the HTML newsgroup, where people get flamed for sticking to the topic and posting correct information.
$ queso bush2000.com :)
s t=bush2000.com :
206.224.89.60:80 * Linux 2.0.35 to 2.0.9999
http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats?ho
bush2000.com is running Apache/1.2.6 PHP/FI-2.0 on Linux
Here's what I just wrote to every email address I could find on Al Gore's web page:
..................
WHOA! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING, and pay attention.
I just saw your website and I want to clarify something for you.
First, I'm doing this as a registered Democrat in a place with a stauch Republican machine firmly in place.
Second, please notice the email addresses above that I'm cc:-ing to.
The multimedia volunteer appeal is appropriate for a political campaign. The open source code appeal is NOT. Apparently, some nitwit party ideology wonk has decided that open source was somehow the same kind of ideological territory, ripe for exploitation. Wrong-o. First of all, any kind of "open source code" that a political campaign could use for its purposes is already available. But your webpage's appeal for "source code" without any PROGRAMMING objective being articulated is like me telling my students, "write something."
The open source software movement can not be colonized or appropriated to your parochial, political purposes. Open source is a "gift culture." Party politics is not. It's that simple. Politics is about power AND money being put to work to either help or control people. But any "open source" software given to the Democrats would, BY LOGICAL NECESSITY have to be given also to the Republicans and Reform and Green and Socialist and Little-Green-Men parties. That FACT of the open source movement is what makes your appeal so patently absurd.
The fact is, the very people who are in a position to know about open source and in a position to send you some are much, much too savvy to send you so much as a desktop icon.
Already, the talk among the open source community is OVERWHELMINGLY negative and skeptical and hostile about your "open source" appeal. They find it hilarious for its dimwittedness. You've made the campaign look absolutely foolish to the very people you'd wish to attract. The open source movement can't be harnessed for your purposes. It's bigger and more cosmopolitan and more radical and more humane than your mother could ever hope you'd become when you ever grow up.
By all means, do the multimedia thing. (You'll be lucky if you do not receive hoax material, after this faux pas.)
But pull the source code thing off the page now.
For crying out loud, that doofus from Tennessee is being caricatured for claiming to have had a leading role in development of the Internet. Institutional political power can NEVER control or harness hacker power. The merest chance of repeating or reinforcing that caricature should make your blood run cold. And you've gone and done it. AGAIN.
And I'm SYMPATHETIC to keeping the Democratic Party as a meaningful expression of American principles. And if Al gets the nomination, I'll be sympathetic to his cause, BUT NOT UN-AMBIVALENTLY SO, because I fear he's never had an original idea, but is only the mouthpiece of a machine that is more concerned with trendiness than with actually understanding real trends.
The whole bunch of you need to pull your heads out, NOW!
And if I get an email "form-letter" from any of you, you can all kiss my vote and my ass goodbye. I am challenging you to THINK about what you're doing. I have a doctorate degree that I COULD use to do you some good, but you can bet I'd take you to school first.
So, I'm wondering how long it will take someone to
have his site redirect to something more interesting, like, say, satanic.org ?!
(Oh, I'm sorry... Did I wonder that OUT LOUD!?)
Remember a few days ago someone was talking about the "clue net".
For those of you that don't or didn't read that thread, the idea was to create a new network populated with people who have a "clue".
At the time I thought that this was an elitist idea and quite disgusting...but 3 things have swayed my opinion of the idea:
1. The article about information appliances. What will our beloved internet be like what it's filled with every idiot from all over the globe?
2. Reading comp.lang.c++. I had a c++ question so I poked around deja news for a while to find an answer with no luck...anyway, for some reason I decided to read some of the posts on comp.lang.c++ (having never used that group before), and was astounded by the sheer abundance of retarded questions on that newsgroup. Quite frankly, I am amazed that anyone with any knowledge actually reads that group anymore. Kudo's to the few that do...don't kill yourselves...
(try and guess how many questions were along the lines of: "Heres my code, whats wrong with it?" or "Heres my homework question, could someone post a solution?")
3. gore2000 & OpenSource. Speaks for itself.
Please, someone save us from the idiot masses, I can hear their deranged stampede coming...
I believe those restrictions are just there to prevent Algore from running afoul of US campaign laws. These laws state clearly that you can not use government facilities or personnel for your political campaign. Thsi was done to prevent the misuse of power and the unbalancing effect of having govt. resources available to the incumabant.
Does this mean that RMS won't vote for Gore unless he renames his campaign GNU/Gore ?
It sounds stupid, but somehow less scary than M$/Gore. Or ChineseBuddistMonk/Gore.
Anonymous Kevin
Gore deserves no credit. He is a sad sad man....
He did NOTHING to help the internet.
Anybody notice this is a .com, i.e. commercial domain, site? That about says it all, doesn't it?
Right when I thought Al gore was a moron for
"inventing the Internet" he pulls this crap.
For every 1 person who thinks this is
ridiculous, there will be ten who think
that he's brilliant.
Gore *will* be president. He is a moron and
So are 80-90% of the population. it'll be a
shoe-in.
What is even more scary about all this is
that all of these outrageous statements have
the feel of some sort of carefully crafted
psycholigical method. They want to burn
"Gore" into all of our psyches using these
odd outbursts.
Obviously all HTML is Open Source, and he didn't invent the Internet, but he is trying to identify himself as someone who will be supportive of the internet, the open source community, and the advancement of computing technology in general.
/. site. Try recommending some HTML code to the M$ webmaster, and see if they give a crap.
/. attitude.
Realistically, you all know that he can't just let hackers actively manipulate his website because opponents would quickly make it an anti-Gore2000 site. The next best thing is to have his people review code that is submitted. The difference between this and most other websites is that there probably ARE people who are evaluating submitted suggestions and including the good ones on the web site -- just like the good people running the
The HTML code is always available, but it's all in the attitude. And Al has the
rimshot
You can contact the right people at mark-misuse@opensource.org.
He didn't make "the internet" a buzzword, he made "information superhighway" a buzzword.
Superhighway =/= internet.
But I'm cool with calling him the "father of the superhighway".
Al Gore: The new spokesman for Open Source!
Isn't that what Al Gore represents?
That's the second time I've done that in as many days. Stupid QWERTY keyboards in the public clusters. Trick me into thinking I want to type "e".
Vote for nobody:*:99:99.
It looks like Al's webmasters have gone in and removed all but one mention of Open Source (tm) from the page, although it's still mentioned in the html source (which is worth checking out). The only remaining mention is a link to the fine print saying "Open Source and Multimedia Volunteers should read this important Legal Notice."
Good work slashdot-ers!
"Al Gore's idea of leadership is finding a parade and running in front of it." --can't recall who said that, but it's very true
mark@angel.com
How about
"The Road Ahead"
"Business @ The Speed Of Thought"
etc. etc. etc.
I guess next Al will nominate Kevin Mitnik as his V Prez. LOL
I wouldn't mind eco-nazis if they were RATIONAL eco-nazis, i.e. opposed to some practice on the grounds of sound scientific evidence that it is harmful. Unfortunately, Al Gore does not fit this definition; he's more like opposed to some practice 'cause it sounds good and can be used to appeal to the emotions of the uninformed.
Nevermind! I assumed it was www.gore2000.com
instead of www.algore2000.com
www.algore2000.com is running IIS4/Windoze
-John
Get a life geeks!!!!!!!!!
What are you reading this for?Get out of your parents basement and get a life!!!
I wouldn't call it open source if it has copyright restrictions placed on it.
The candidates are:
1. Al "I invented the internet" Gore for his "Open Source" web-site.
2. Bill "What's an internet? Everybody will use MSN" Gates for charging $89 for a semi-working update of Wincrap 98.
Grand prize: Bullet-proof shoes.
...and what's a "bangwagon"?!
to make a Bush/Dole ticket look really good in 2000! ;-)
Actually, Al and Tipper are DeadHeads the the extreme. Tipper (according to some interview I saw with Al somewhere) "has all their albums".
I also remember reading early in the 90's that the whole Whitehouse gang was at a deadshow in D.C.
That makes me think of two things:
How can people think they Dead are radical, 'alternative' lifestyle folks?
And: Goshdarn the Dead Kennedy's rock.
Is this how they taught you to express yourself through the written word ? Maybe, they can give you your money back.
Just because someone doesn't have the same level of technical proficiency as you have, doesn't mean that you have the right to be disrespectful.
I took a few minutes and sent a note to the Algore campaign with a Cc: to the OSI board letting them know that I don't think it is appropriate for Algore to so blatantly abuse someone's copyright to further his own political gains.
Personally, whether or not I agree with Open Source (I think the FSF is more "right"), they are part of our own and I really hope they defend their trademark with great zeal on this issue.
Sadly Al's mail server runs obviously an MS product, because they ask us to snail-mail (wow, they all hip and stuff, they use hip terms!) A/V clips to them.
I wonder if you should send MPEG clips as Open Source as well... Hmm...
Breace
Granted, I am not, nor do I claim to be a hacker. I'm a math-geek.
I find that the use of the phrase 'hacker power' eliminates any chance that the people you're mailing your letter to will get its point. Al Gore and minions are -obviously- not the kind of people who will understand what you're getting at by using the term 'hacker' as witnessed by their incorrect/inappropriate use of the term 'open source'.
And furthermore, using the phrase 'anything power' just puts me in mind of the Spice Girls and their chant of 'girl power'. It's cheezy and made me discount everything you'd said.
http://www.algore2000.com/townhall/index.html
What the heck are the four form elements on the right for? It doesn't tell you until you hit submit. Yeah, Al get technology.
Who else is there to vote for? Pro-Family/Pro-God Republicans don't count.
A little javascript:
while( true )
{
alert( "this website is LAME!" );
}
> For starters, can we count on a presidential veto the next time something as awful as the orginal CDA comes down the pike?
I'm more concerned about using questionable child vaccines as an excuse to bully the states into setting up a universal patient database controlled by the government.
Take care,
Jay
The point is out there.
I don't think I could forgive myself if I voted for either one of them. Not sure what I'm gonna do when voting time rolls around.
Well, don't you know what Open Source is all about?! Mod 'The Source', do a diff, and deliver! :o)
Now YOU can become a participant too!
Breace.
Although this isn't the kind of thing one normally associates with the charged word "discrimination," it does violate clause 5, the rationale for which states "we forbid any open-source license from locking anybody out of the process."
It's not clear to me that a political campaign can satisfy this clause and still stay within the laws governing political campaign contributions. It might be interesting for the OSI to list types of projects that are unable to satisfy the OSD due to conflicting legal obligations...
He's learned a lot from his buddy Bubba.
to include the Gore web site yet?
It does not fit the Open source definition.
from opensource.org: "the license must not discriminate against any person or groups of persons."
from the algore website (legal notice) "only individuals acting as volunteers may participate in source code volunteer efforts...this source code is not being submitted by a company, business, labor union or other organization, or any federal, state or municipal agency and has not been produced using the facilities of any such groups."
hmn... >:|
I gotta admit, this one made me laugh out loud at my desk. Good job!
Suckers to work for me during my campaign since campaign funding is being watched more closely becasue of Clinton
Slap him, no, but laugh at his 'inventing the internet', yes. :-/
Come on! Bill Gates did that didn't he
Question: If Al Gore had never been born, how would the Internet be different then it is now (aside from there not being a Gore2000 web site)?
If he is, then I guess he is not doing a good enough job. :)
>Doesn't seem too funny to me, Taco. Didn't you >release the source to /.'s back-end?
seems damn funny to me.
>You should really check into things before you >start laughing and flaming.
why, that's un-American!
>Regarding "Gore creating the Internet", in fact >he played an important role in the privatization >of government controlled networks. If you >consider the Internet as it is today (private, >commercial, booming), Gore played a significant >role (as a legislator) in bringing about changes >to make it happen.
i use the internet on a daily basis, therefore i keep it alive. without me there would be no internet... wait, wait... there are lots of people out there each causing the net to grow.. except al gore who's an arse.
Check algore's site with netcraft... What a hypocrite.
This would have been funnier if the grammar and spelling were correct.
How awesome. I wonder if that merchandise came from China, like most of his campaign funds did?
You bunch of pillocks, getting all upset because your precious techie words are getting used by normal users of the English language. I hope the "open source community" isn't as stupid as those representatives who have posted here. .. blah blah blah ] Oh dear sweetie, a docterate and yet still so daft. And you think Al Gore has made a fool of himself.
He just meant he'd like contributions - that's right, using the phrase metaphorically! It's how the English language works. But no [assume propellerhead accent} "actually the term open source only refers to
The Internet wasn't built on his watch; I suspect he hadn't even heard of it until it was done. I'd have some qualms about anyone who could stand to listen to the censorious prude he married, but I consider his own past support for the CDA and key escrow to verge on treason.
Remember this is to help not hurt...
You come off sounding like a sensitive elitist.
Whatever..dumbfuck
>The Point is if you can help - help.
If that's the point, then why didn't Al Gore say it that way. Al Gore should be kept in check on this issue. It is disgraceful to those who work in open-source community, and it is mis-leading to those who don't. It is no different then spelling potato with an e. (It's actually worse, spelling errors are human mistakes, whereas calling his web site open-source was methodical.)
Er... what's wrong with Elizabeth?
A casual search on PMRC didn't find Tipper's bookburning (errr... album burning) campaign anywhere. I think that while those values may have gotten him in office in a state like TN, the campaign advisors let him know how it wouldn't fly with the rest of the nation when he runs as Veep.
I was a high school student, listening to such bands as WASP, Motorhead, Metallica, Megadeth, etc. when Tipper Gore was trying her damndest to have my music BANNED.
I will never forgive her for that!
But then there are Al's views on encryption, the Clipper Chip, his claiming to have invented the internet, etc. How can any self respecting geek vote for this couple? The first thing Algore will do when elected is hold a public book burning. The next thing he will do is push through legislation giving the government a key escrow priviledge. After that, the government will be censoring music.
Who wants that?
I'd sooner vote for Dan "Mr. Potatoe-head" Quayle over this chump.
In your preferences, you can set your font to override document fonts.
Just keep 'em going to abuse and postmaster
addresses everywhere, esp. XXX sites.
Jason, being purile and loving it...
All we've done in the last decade was commoditize ISP services, add bandwidth (which the ISPs paid their upstreams to buy), and start using piggish protocols that need unavailable QoS features. Where was public research still being done? If he's claiming credit for supporting IP/6 ("Internet2"), I could almost believe it, but IP/4 was long since finished.
Dan Quayle will be coming out in favor of "open sores"...
This is the same man who tried to bring us wonderful additions to computers like the "Clipper Chip." He was also a major player in the movement to put those "Parental Advisory" stickers on CDs/Tapes, as well as a major supporter of the CDA and CDA2.
I dunno, but it sure sounds like fun to me!
I will quickly change my mine.
Just remember, "a mine is a terrible thing to waste!"
I got www.gore2000.com is running Apache/1.2.0 Ben-SSL/1.8 on Linux
Interface Stephen Bury
*LOL* I think this guy should get a prize...
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Hehehe..Can I test out his host? hehhahahahaa
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I like that arguement there.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Um.. His wife was the one that was the player in the sticker ordeal. He's just a puppet, with his wife's hand up so far in his a$$ now, it now, yes dear I will force our anti-real christian-christian veiws on the whole world and make them into laws.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Expanding, that seems more like teasing and making it a psuedo internet. It's censorship, censorship of information and fun stuff.. They are shrinking the net..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
"This is your web site -- IT'S OPEN SOURCE"
If I remember correcly, open source means that the source is open and free meaning that anyone can change it and do what ever he or she wants w/ the source. So there for your legal notices are contradicting them selfs. If it contradicting then there for all legal issues based on this page would happen to be null and void. Am I correct about this? I'm pretty sure that I am.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Uh.. How many people are Republican?
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Bob always looked happy..... But so does Reagon.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Back during the wild west times, when people were venturing out there, the didn't establish whore houses yet, so they had the Bangwagon...=>
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
How many people on here are republican?
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I saw the light and I new it was a cue to make this into a comidy of some sort..Hey Rob, can I get an award of some kind?
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I thought it said this
1.)Lock kid up
2.)Every Wed and sunday night take kid to church
3.)Tell kid that computers are a myth
4.)Let kid out when they are 21 and bread them for the christian right.
5.)Have them repeat process.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I think he was trying to click 'OK'on the monitor..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Newbie? Even newbies know how to read FAQ's.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Ok, think of his wife in the next reply..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
"case STUPID:
alert("I inverted the Internet! It will be open source. And I will own it all!");
break; "
Hmm.. Inverting the internet.. interesting concept on hand..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
The world in 7 days..... hahahahaa *croke*
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yeah, I did.. But you have to rememer '.com' is everything to the not knowing user that created it. Like Blah.blah.com, people understand that, not blah.blah.net
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Like have those parental lyics warning on tapes, that cover up some of the art.. She hates art.. She hates the bible, on which she clings to, becuase she does these things. 'Tho shall turn the other cheek' sound familier Tipper? I can here it now.. "But, but, but i'm trying to protect our kids from this evil"..
When you take something away, or make it hard get to, peversion breaks out just to get a hint of it.. Like protect kids from porn.. Ok, how many of you guy were looking at porn at an early age, pre 17, becuase it was easily accessable.. Now if some one would of taken it away from you, you would of gone any length to get a hint of it. Am I right??
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Gore?
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Read the news tommorow.. /.'er take down Al Gore.. /. alone can have enough influence on anything! *Evil Grin*
Hey, if you think about, just
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Hmm.. Thinking about.. Look how many kids are in that pics, all his? Scary if they were.. But why would they be aganst porn, becuase it looks like they enjoy a lil' bit to much.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I try to act like a dumb ass when I email high placed individuals..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Hmmm. Why didn't they do this before...Becuase they know we don't like them.. We are in own society...
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
...some people can stand beeing american is beyond me. :-P
:-) and he publishes _this_?
This is supposedly a contestant for the presidency (or, as americans like to call it, "leader of the free world"
Please tell me there's no way he'll make it all the way. Please.
Do you think he spell checked his site???
--
Bun-Bun Rules!
90% of day read
10% of
.. he "Open Sourced" his sex life - all contributors welcome!
:)
Bet Al Gore's got a bitchin' collection of MP3's too!
...sleazy politicians try to co-opt your buzzwords.
Everybody may be bashing him but I think we should give him some credit for trying to make Open Source go mainstream. No, he didn't invent the internet but he did help popularize it. And he's probably trying to do the same thing now.
Nothing wrong with that.
Here's how one line of Al's page 'looks' to
vision impaired persons:
[INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE]
Not very nice, Al, honey.
Anonymous Coward
in a while. For one thing, ALL web sites are open source (though I guess they could be obfuscated). For another thing, look at what it says. It says, basically, "Look at the source to this webpage and mail us suggestions. We'll incorporate the best ideas!" This is sad. What website doesn't say that. This is just an excuse to ride the bangwagon. I used to like Al Gore, but if he keeps whoring our precious computer society, I will quickly change my mine.
Last time I heard, RMS was describing himself politically as an anarchist, I think...
what if, bill gates asked him to do that to get some friend as president and then eradicate everything that make sense on earth? or maybe i m being too paranoid...anyway i dont live in the US :)
---
No, I don't think so. Not according to the "Open Source" definition from the OSI anyway.
Irina Romanov
Thanks for the "Open Source" web page Al, but how about "open source" government?
It really chaps my hide when these political weasels think we're supposed to kiss their rings because they throw around a buzzword or two. Does this guy have a clue? Doesn't he realize that only a relative handful of people even understand what "Open Source" is, and that we few see right through the blatant misuse of the term? Has this guy ever touched a keyboard outside of a few grade school photo ops?
slashdot broke my sig
That graphic at the top of the page doesn't have a caption, how about this one: "Presidental hopeful Al Gore stockpiles mud for the upcoming election campaign"
I read the internet for the articles.
Hmm I'm not a native speaker either but isn't that some slang for "a streetgirl"?
--
People using html in email should be shot.
Posted by Futron:
:) and Jesse Ventura ended up winning.
I know its been said already, but vote Libertarion.
It DOES count. In Min. they had two looser canditates (I.e. Presidential race '99
Democrat==No money for you, I.E. Communism/Socialism
Republican==Say good things (somewhat) and then vote with the democrates.
Libertarion==Vote for Less taxes (I.e. 10% of curren t taxes. Vote for less buricratic laws (Laws are like computer code, the more you have the more they screw up) Etc.
Posted by caitin:
I'm amazed that there is a politician that knows the term "open-source" regardless of whether they know what it means or not.
Posted by Buffy the Overflow Slayer:
Just checked out his website long enough to see
that Mr. Open Sore uses IIS as his server. So
much for an interest in Open Source software.
-buffy
If the Titanic was filled with lawyers, it would
not have been a disaster.
Posted by Akira410:
:-)
:-0
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
AL GORE IS GOD!
HAHAHA
Ok this is getting VERY funny!
Posted by proteusrage:
'kept crashing all the time, though... ah, well.
If the content of a website is under an OSD-compliant license, then that license must grant the freedom to use text and images from that website to create a satirical version.
Point 1 gives me the freedom to redistribute. Point 3 allows me to create derived versions and redistribute those. And points 6 and 7 explicitly forbid any attempt to disallow mocking or satirical versions!
So, let's see those "Gore2K Problem" websites now!
--
Xenu loves you!
It's always nice to see how well democracy really works. Anyone can make a total ass of him/herself in public at any time, using any medium. Open source indeed! Maybe we should all email Al "Father of the Internet" Gore a clue? I wonder if he reads /.?
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
This is a good idea actually. Especially if it can get some media coverage. Point out that he is not only running the site on close-source proprietary software, but that he seems to meet virtually none of the requirements of Open Source software. Those that he does meet seem almost accidental. Al and his lawyers need to be educated with a really big clue-stick.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
Gore's had a reputation for randomly spraying tech buzzwords for some time. Check out what the entire graduating class at MIT did to him in 1996 in retribution :)
Actually, you can do that anyway - it would be parody, which is an exception to the copyright laws. Last campaign someone made a hilariously funny parody of Dole's site, using his design and graphics.
I tried that *before* I asked the question, and it doesn't do anything. If you read the option carefully, it appears to be giving you the option to override the choice of font, not the choice of size.
The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
Is there any way to override these in Netscape? I can't read his damn page until I save it as html, and edit out the "size=1" parts of all the font tags. Why do so many people use these damn things - don't they realize that some of us like to have high resolution screens?
The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
From http://www.e-softinc.com/probe/probe.html
Site being probed: http://www.algore2000.com
Web Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
Operating System: Ascend Pipeline Firmware 4.6 (by c.mock@xsoft.co.at)
Page Retrieval Time: 5.19 seconds
Connect time: 0.47
Wait time: 0.92
Data Recv time: 3.80
Other: 0.00
Size of page: 18259 bytes
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
!Xabbu
"It compiled? The startup screen came up? SHIP IT!" - Bill Gates
- Jimbob
Give the guy a break...he really has been supporting the internet for a long, long time and he is on our side. This "open source" thing is a tiny little note in a very large site of quite reasonable politics.
From a special section for kids in their privacy policy...
8. Be a good online citizen and do not do anything that hurts other people or is against the law.
Using the Open Source trademark without permission to promote something that violates their guidelines is clearly illegal, no?
Laugh at the site while you can, kids... i'm sure the cease-and-desist order is being Fed-Ex'd now.
You know what REALLY sucks, though? I'd *love* to have a candidate who both understands and promotes Open Source ideals! And i think it's a safe bet that as soon as someone gets the remotest clue there, this page will come down and no mention of it will be made again. No public apology, for sure! Instead, how about a nice page apologizing for not understanding what they got into, a link to opensource.org, and a more reasonable promotion policy?
Nah.
Hand me that airplane glue and I'll tell you another story.
"We must harness the powerful new
:}
forces of technology, and use them to
strengthen our oldest values -- to
promote freedom, to educate our
children, and to lift our families and our
nations up."
- Al Gore
Well, Al... i DO use open source, this powerful new force of technology, to promote freedom, and to educate my children. And i do so love to hear my five year old son say he want to boot out of Windows and "play gnome" instead.
Hand me that airplane glue and I'll tell you another story.
No, the "Open Source" crap is still there. I flushed my cache and restarted Netscape, and still get it.
Hand me that airplane glue and I'll tell you another story.
===
Old Fart!!! Of tha SENIOR DADS!!!!!
===
Old Fart!!! Of tha SENIOR DADS!!!!!
http://surf.to/seniordads/
Open? Nah. You can use the website, but to get anything out of Gore, you will have to PAY him lotsa contributions. How much will it cost to get his encryption and other close minded policies turned 180 degrees around?
Some of you all just don't get a good April 1 joke.
Sure it's a bit late, but this puts Segfault/UF
to shame...
It seays that there are looking for
C programers and stuff but I certenly
cant't find the source to there CGI
programs; are thay soposed to be open
too?
Please don't think I'm going Jon Katzian on you; the amount of political power that all of the Net's geeks have by virtue of Al's aspirations is approximately equal to that of one local chapter of the American Association for the Advancement of Retired Persons (AARP). But still, that's better than nothing.
So, if Al want's some high-level geek endorsements, let's talk turkey. For starters, can we count on a presidential veto the next time something as awful as the orginal CDA comes down the pike? Joe Random Slashdotter is not about to pursue a deal like that, but some of our Exalted Leaders might very well be sitting down at the table with His Goreship before this is all out.
If/when that happens, just remember not to be so thrilled at your own newfound importance that you sell the farm without getting anything real in return. He's still a politician, after all. I know plenty of gays, for example, who are still smarting about how they were taken in by Clinton in '92, endorsing him in return for a promise to end anti-gay discrimination in the military, only to get the shaft when that turned out to require something akin to actual backbone on the part of the Commander in Chief.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Why would we *want* to /. their website? You could be hurting them, because no one else gets to see the site, or you could be helping them when they release the number of visits they had (and they will release the number of visits they had if it sounds good).
I'd really like to see the OSI really run him up poop creek for this one. First the internet, now Open Source. What else is Al Gore going to try to take credit for? Inventing the concept of a public sewer system? The Wheel?
Leapfrog, the disgruntled.
PS: I can tell ya who I'm NOT voting for. Let's all write in Malda for Prez!
Promptly after inventing Open Source, Al Gore announces that you can 'help' him...
one catch, though... it's pronounced:
"Oopen Suorce"
(Now, if you invented the internet, wouldn't you be able to say how the compononents are pronounced? Can you say rooter?)
--I hate people when they're not polite -"Psycho Killer", Talking Heads
The HTML `source' mentions a "screensaver" contest for the Linux "software". I don't think he knows Linux is an operating system, and that he's sponsoring a contest to write a Linux screensaver for Windows.
The site is hosted on a Microsoft IIS server. Ironic? Hypocritical? Surreal?
"Officially licensed" Gore2000 gear? I guess his image and likeness aren't under an open license. Oh, and he's using the closed source Softcart.exe to hawk his goods.
This site is so bad as to almost certainly be an elaborately conceived parody. If not, it's another slap in the face of every intelligent citizen on the Internet. I pray to happy hairy Jesus that this man is not the Democratic candidate for President in 2000.
#19845
But you can't get to all of the cgi/asp/php3/etc... code that goes into the web page... if it was truely opensource, you could get to all of that...
just my $0.02...
-Vik
Naw - Gore will beat him to it.
/*Conversion algorithm.*/
Gore = Democrat(Quayle);
Whoops - forgot AL's GOt NO Rithm..
Have you compiled your kernel today??
Maybe ESR, et al, should sue Gore for ;-)
trademark violation??
Steve
Have you compiled your kernel today??
I remember how damn happy I was to read a few years ago that one of those Gore daughters got herself In a bit of trouble for drinking at a party. She was 16 I think, underage in the US.
Ya know, if you can't take care of your own....
Brian
That'll never happen, because the people he is trying to appeal to (people not exactly in the know) are the ones who feel the internet is "scary"
"Well yes, we would like to get on the net, but my friend's sister's brother-in-law signed on to Netscape (don't you love when people think Netscape is an ISP?) and all these porn ads popped up out of nowhere! Please Al Gore, wise leader of the internet information revolution super open source highway, help us get on the bridge to the 21st century!"
And there are a lot more of them than there are of us. Don't buy into this. He just wants to use us and abuse us (As Clinton did w/ gays).
Brian
How do you spell "Rhymes"?
Vice Presidents have a long history of saying incredibly stupid things, having them broadcast our to the public, and generally alienating themselves from the community.
RMS should do fine.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
On the other hand, the open content license could apply to the material on this site, but I seriously doubt that Gore would want to do that.
If it's open source, then surely you can!
You seem to think his motives are honorable. I tend to think he knows that "Open Source" is a buzzword and will get him extra publicity. What does he know or care about the open source philosophy? Nada. Soliciting volunteers is fine. Everybody does it and it's to be expected. What agravates me is that he is asking people to submit 10 email addresses when they sign up to volunteer. I sure hope none of my "friends" do me the favor. Steve
Actually he didn't make the "Internet" a buzzword. His buzzword was "Information SuperHighway" which wasn't talking about the Internet at all. It was some mythical network that the government would build that never happened.
And, he used "Information SuperHighway" as a buzzword AFTER the Internet had started getting momentum. It doesn't mean that he did ONE thing to actually popularize it.
Just because I yell "Look at the parade" as it starts to go by, doesn't mean that I organized the parade, or brought lots of people in to watch.
Lots of other people were yelling, too. And most people came because their neighbor told them about it.
Er, couple of things.
1) Slashdot has an extensive back end to handle user accounts and manage articles. Gore's site is pretty static. In other words, there's no actual code to open source, except HTML and JavaScript.
2) The "Internet" (not 'ARPAnet' late '60s early '70s) throughout most of the period that Gore may have even known about it, was always private, ran on AT&T phone lines (Later mostly MCI and Sprint), just paid for by the Universities (some using US government funds) and large companies associated with those universities. The US government, especially Congress, had very little to do with any changes that have come about to make the Internet "commercial".
It was the hard working people in the IETF and at various universities and companies around the world that used the Internet were the ones that made the Internet what it is. We find it useful because they made it useful for their research projects and communications. When companies started using the Internet for
All Congress has done is footed the bill for many of the US universities (many of which, BTW, were working on US defence projects), and not got in the way by imposing online taxes.
Please note that when Gore was a legislator, a commercial Internet was NEVER even thought of, since that would require people to have computers and networking, which was a rare item in the 80's.
I'm getting really tired of Al Gore taking credit for things he did not do. Let's vote the IETF members in Congress!
Did everyone notice the bit about the "GoreGear" merchandise?
Isn't "GoreGear" where people get the masks, knifed-gloves, and whatnot they wear in slasher flicks?
"Hi, I'm Jamie Lee Curtis. When I'm being chased by ax-wielding maniacs, I make sure that I am dressed to kill in my 'GoreGear'. Shirts, slacks, bandages, they have it all!"
David Farber, while being very well respected in his field, is also on the board of directors of Democrats Online, which apparently no longer is actually online. I don't think that you could consider him as "unbiased".
Take a look at our source code. Send us your ideas on how to improve it, and build a better campaign web site. The Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project wants to hear from you today!
To get involved with the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project, e-mail us at:
sourcecodevolunteers@algore2000.com
I could take a look at the "source code" for www.microsoft.com and send them suggestion. Does that mean that I'm participating in an open source project? Perhaps we can get it endorsed by Billy and Al "The Father of the Internet" Gore.
Wow, it takes a special kind of moron to pull off something like this...
"What do you mean, invalid parameters? 9000Gigs of RAM and it can't answer a simple question!" -- Earthworm Jim
Check this out
--fatboy
PLEASEEEEEE post somewhere AAAANY replies!!!! I believe alot of people would like to hear what they have to say.
Thank you
Funny, I got a JavaScript error as soon as the site started up.
That chick in the front has a nasty camel toe.
Netscape did that, not those shifty liars
Okay, I actually kinda like the guy, even if he does manage to look like he has a stick up his hiney most of the time. He DID write a pretty good book on the environment, and I thought his "Virtual Earth", "EarthCam" or whatever the heck he called it called it was pretty cool. He's not quite my ideal candidate, but he's NOT Son-O-Bush or Jack Kemp by a longshot (half a clue is better than none, I say), he's from my state of residence, and he even invited my grandma to his annual barbeque this year. ;-) Besides, let's say I wrote him a fancy-pants DHTML/Flash/Java front end for his site and he actually used the thing -- [warning: gratuitous political jab ahead] -- I doubt the Republicans would be able to do anything with my code, anyhow. At least he's making some attempt to get into the spirit of the thing, isn't he? Although I sincerely hope Tipper won't have any more bright ideas about what lyrics musicians should and should not be using... If you want to nitpick, yeah he should probably call it a Community Source or Open Content Initiative or something like that. But what the heck? Political campaigns aren't meant to be taken all that seriously anyhow -- why do you think they call their organizations "parties"?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Funny, lynx says it's running on Microsoft-IIS/4.0.
That's open source now?
Since it's open source, I've made the following improvements to the code, and I'm redistributing them under the GPL:
----------------------------------
A special message for Open Source Software enthusiasts:
We are very interested in wooing high tech voters
like those Linux geeks with strange appeals to
their love of Open Source software such as Linux.
For starters, we are conducting a Gore 2000 Linux
Screen Saver design competition among volunteers
to see who can build the best Gore 2000 Linux
screen savers. Just be sure that you use Visual
C++ to write your program, because I'm still
trying to recover from "DLL Hell."
send an e-mail to:
opensource@algore2000.com
This document is to be as WIDELY DISSEMINATED under the OPEN SOURCE philosophy as POSSIBLE!
Apologies if this has been sent to the wrong e-mail address. If you want to get off our list, tough fu**** luck.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Lovely, a few years from now Gore will feal justified in taking credit for open source. You think Stallman's pissed now, wait 'till this happens. By the way, does ESR know about this yet? I'm wondering if this site fits the Open SOurce Definition ;).
I just can't figure out what "Algore" is up to nowadays.
At the rate he's going, he's going to be literally laughed out of the election with those increasingly clueless remarks.
Whatever it is, I nearly fell out of my chair when I read the article. (^_^)
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
Everything I have ever seen about gore is sad.
Even more so, that people ever considered him worthy of election for anything.
History, if we dont learn from it, we live thru it again and again and again.
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Gore through word sounds like hes the Nerd Canidate of choice...But anyone with two halfs a brain will then read his words and track record..
...and his baggage...and who is going to vote for him?
--support of tipper gores PMRC crusade
--vocal and legislative support of Crypto Controls
--vocal and legislative support of Internet Controls
--vocal and legislative support of Censorship in the school and in the general media
His stance on the environment have provento be more sham than not. In his time as both legislator and VP he has done way more harm than good, has viilated most of the statements of purpose he laid out in his book, and proves himself to talk out of all three orifces at once.
Think of his actions
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
P.S. Note sent to legalteam@gorewebsite.com and sourcecodevolunteers@algore2000.com. Oy. --Tom
Tom Geller
Long live the GOSL!
Oh lord. Let's not give this man any ideas. He seems to be searching around blindly for them.
I consider myself a democrat, but Gore makes me sick.
Hehehe.
This sig is false.
If he's so interested in Linux, then why is he running a Microsoft web server?
$ perl -e 'print "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n";' | nc -v -v www.algore2000.com 80 | & head -12
Warning: inverse host lookup failed for 208.206.40.209: Unknown host
algore2000.com [208.206.40.209] 80 (http) open
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
Content-Location: http://208.206.40.209/index.html
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:35:33 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Last-Modified: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:37:37 GMT
ETag: "863f984e6d80be1:c93"
Content-Length: 18259
You can always vote for a third party as a protest vote. If there are enough protest votes, they might even win, or at least give the others a bit of a shake. I'll be voting Libertarian.
I would vote for the most qualified squirrel, but not are running at present.
Alan R. Light
Monroe, NC
http://www.algore2000.com/issues/technolo.html
This would appear to imply support of the CDA on his part.On the other hand, his much-derided Information Superhighway comment was what got me back on the Internet. (I had been on the ArpaNet as a teen in the late 70s). I figured that, if a politician was aware of the net, it was probably at a takeoff point. Although I personally didn't make quite the right moves to benefit from that fact, it did get me here on time to grab the domain amazing.com before anyone else :-)
----
Bore.
...not when Network Solutions is enouraging people to "Consider securing your dot net and dot org Web Addresses as well."
Unfortunately, they stopped paying attention to the proper way to do things long ago.
Snore?
If it's open, where do we download?
"Even Prophets don't know everything"
Al Gore is doing nothing more than leeching off of every mainstream idea that he can get a hold of in the hope of trying to win over niave voters who believe everything he is shoveling. I would like to believe that most of America sees right through this and does not vote for him come election time. Come to think about it I don't see any viable candidate in the near future, Democrat or Republican. Just because he says the words "Open Source", people will not immediately flock toward Gore's side.
I haven't figured this out yet. We bemoan and whine when someone patents software technology but when someone TRADEMARKS the term Open Source, we hail them as conquering heros and place them on pedistals, bowing down to them in awe. Why is that? Not flame-bait, I am genuinely curious.
Setting his threshold to 5, Sparky eliminated most of the trolls on /.
I never thought it could happen to me, but I've
just been trampled on by an ignorant politician.
Is his campaign really this stupid, or does he really think he can get away with this?
This makes me think about the ratio of normies:geeks in the world. Like with Intel's plans for P3 web content, gore is trying (on purpose or by mistake) to sneak something past a geek culture who know better in an attempt to further himself. I have heard from people who have seen the Big Blue Door commercials that think the p3 is a great idea, because they have no idea about the potential ability of the internet/computers as they stand. I fear even less people are going to fully understand what Open Source -- let alone GPL -- means. There are so many normies in the world, and I would guess
that they are buying up computers more than the geeks of the world, and therefore they win a round of "voting"...
This also probably does not fit within the definition of Open Source. (I dunno, i'm a GPL person) I hope ESR persues this, because sad but true; if you do not protect your TMs, you lose them.
Vote libertarian..where no one wants to control you :-)
Well, the problem with buzzwords is that they seem to lose all meaning. Gore's website is a typical example of the process in that it has (as many other posts have pointed out) absolutely nothing to do with our concept of Open Source in any way whatsoever.
Attempting to jump on a bandwagon by mouthing pretty words is a politician sort of thing to do. Gore has just proven himself no different from any of the rest.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
Ok, so the guy's a bit of a moron in some ways, but name me a president who wasn't a buffoon? If the guy gets elected, he probably will spend a decent amount of money on technology, which is a good thing. And, he'll probably keep us entertained.
-lx
Umm... Actually it's just their way of getting noticed even more by the media since "Open Source" and all that are the big buzz words in the tech-news-for-dummies world.
(Translation: They want more exposure that makes the media/people forget that Al Gore is a clueless dumbass.)
Hexy - a strategy game for iPhone/iPod Touch
I just sent mail to legalteam and sourcecodevoluneers to let them know they don't meet the requirements of an Open Source license. We'll see what they say.
Open Source isn't a buzz-phrase.
That is so not funny.
lake effect weblog
{Network engineer in Chicago--looking for work!}
And just under the 'insert you spam list here' list there is a dear little link entitled:
"Your privacy is a priority at algore2000.com."
*shrug*
Well, well, well; three holes in the ground...
Not knowing the US political campaign laws (and admitedly not knowing the UK ones either all too well), wouldn't this proclude any politician from campaigning from an OSD compliant stand-point?
Well, well, well; three holes in the ground...
Man, you crack me up! How much is the Chinese government, I mean the Buddhist monks, I mean the Democratic Party, paying you to say that, anyway? Al could care less about open source, he's just trying to jump on a bandwagon. Anyone who coins a term as annoying as "Information Superhighway" deserves to be unemployed.
Seriously, nobody who really had "the /. attitude" would ever, ever honestly try to say that Al Gore had it, too. It's laughable and just makes you sound like a shill.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
I find it amusing that Netscape's webmail service uses unreadably small fonts, so you effectively can't use IE to read your mail. You have to use netscape and hit ] about 3 or 4 times to avoid eye strain. Or use lynx, I suppose (although I haven't managed to make that work).
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
I find it amusing that Netscape's webmail service uses unreadably small fonts, so you effectively can't use IE to read your mail. You have to use netscape and hit ] about 3 or 4 times to avoid eye strain.
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
From The HTML for algore2000.com...
No, it actually sounds like they are talking about looking at the web pages, not the "administration" stuff. After all, the site is apparently run on MS IIS with a closed source e-commerce solution.
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
Has anyone notified ESR?
Oh, and my as my wife just asked "Does that mean everyone has access to the AlGoreRithms?"
Bravery, Kindness, Clarity, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
I'm disappointed in the Veep... after all, with his recent invective against urban sprawl, he should hardly be clogging up cyberspace with yet another lame candidate site. ;-)
My Blog. Sela Ward can sell me long distanc
I liked him. Here was a guy that, until recently, was very much electable. He was Clinton's vp for two terms, and came out so free of scandals that the worst anybody could come up with was to say he's boring. Yeah, there was a thing about fund raising but that never amounted to much.
He is also smart - when he is in his element. Obviously technology is not his element. The one contribution he made to technology was to hype it, which was in some was good for us and bad in others.
I liked all these facts because I agreed with him on just about every non-tech issue - especially the environment, and I still do. The first thing that irked me about him was his anti encryption stance, but that mattered little to me because honestly - how many politicians are pro strong encryption? Not many.
I know he's a politician. They all are, except for Ventura. But I think generally good things will happen if he is elected - he would have largely the same administration as Clinton has now. These are the people that deserve the credit people give Clinton when they say he "has horrible character, but does a good job." And for me, the environment is a major concern, and so I like him for all his great work on that front.
So it is especially painful to watch him self destruct like this. Obviously, he has sensed, too late, that he has alienated a large portion of the technology world, is trying to make up ground, and is going about it the wrong way. He seems to think buzzwords like "open source" will win us over. How ironic, when words like that cause fighting amongst ourselves. And anyway, a political web site is just not the greatest candidate for an open source project. You really wouldnt want your compeditors to use it for self promotion or to rip on you (open source would imply that they could do just that.)
Gore, if you want tech people to like you, dont try to be one of them. You aren't, and nobody will hold it against you that you aren't. But we would love it if you would see the light on issues like strong encryption export restrictions and freedom of speech online, and fight for us on those fronts.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
I liked him. Here was a guy that, until recently, was very much electable. He was Clinton's vp for two terms, and came out so free of scandals that the worst anybody could come up with was to say he's boring. Yeah, there was a thing about fund raising but that never amounted to much. He is also smart - when he is in his element. Obviously technology is not his element. The one contribution he made to technology was to hype it, which was in some was good for us and bad in others. I liked all these facts because I agreed with him on just about every non-tech issue - especially the environment, and I still do. The first thing that irked me about him was his anti encryption stance, but that mattered little to me because honestly - how many politicians are pro strong encryption? Not many. I know he's a politician. They all are, except for Ventura. But I think generally good things will happen if he is elected - he would have largely the same administration as Clinton has now. These are the people that deserve the credit people give Clinton when they say he "has horrible character, but does a good job." And for me, the environment is a major concern, and so I like him for all his great work on that front. So it is especially painful to watch him self destruct like this. Obviously, he has sensed, too late, that he has alienated a large portion of the technology world, is trying to make up ground, and is going about it the wrong way. He seems to think buzzwords like "open source" will win us over. How ironic, when words like that cause fighting amongst ourselves. And anyway, a political web site is just not the greatest candidate for an open source project. You really wouldnt want your compeditors to use it for self promotion or to rip on you (open source would imply that they could do just that.) Gore, if you want tech people to like you, dont try to be one of them. You aren't, and nobody will hold it against you that you aren't. But we would love it if you would see the light on issues like strong encryption export restrictions and freedom of speech online, and fight for us on those fronts.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Maybe Eric S. Raymond will send a letter to "cease all use of the OpenSource(TM) trademark" stating it is being incorrectly used.
It is not only a damn funny idea but a wake up call to GET OFF THE HYPE!
PS, I always have though Gore is 10x worse than Dan Quayle!
-- Bryan "TheBS" Smith
Independent Author, Consultant and Trainer
The idea of a web site being "open sorce" implis that it's compiled. Okay, Al, so where's the SGML?
Actually, Al Gore is probably the first major public figure to grab ahold of the burgeoning tide of the internet, computers, etc. The White House site still smacks of a ten minute session with Netscape Composer. I expect Gore's focus on "hip new technology" will win him support in 2000, mostly from the part of the win/mac crowd who think that AOL or Microsoft owns the internet. (I guess they bought it from Gore.) If this wins more public exposure of computer monopolies, the CDA, etc., then all power to him. The public needs a public figure to represent technology, and nobody to yet come forth (Gates, Jobs, Case, Ellison, even Linus) has captured the eye of the media, at least in the right way.
The opinions stated herein do not necessarily represent those of anybody at all. Deal with it.
Is it just me, or does this sound like a pyramid scheme or maybe even ... Mary Kay/Amway sales???
...
"Move up through the campaign ranks - you start out as an I-Team field organizer. The more activists you recruit, the more responsibility you will have. "
This disturbs me
YS.
"Arrr! The laws of science be a harsh mistress." -- Bender
open source his...
And a break before Ob...
RinkRat
open sources his daughters! Woo woo! obTopicSoIDon'tGetModeratedto-55: Who else are the Dems running? Good god, there's going to be no one I can vote for in the next election...
RinkRat
So, it isn't just me; Al Gore "is" a robot. Well, that explains everything.
In all seriousness:
You'll hurt them the most if you leave the site up so that everyone can see it.
It looks like our best chance for another democrat is to register republican and get Quayle the nomination.
There is no such thing as a Open Source government -- No Government at all would be nice! All kind of government is evil and are in it only for the power. You have read Noam Chomsky, you should know.
A FAQ on Anarchism
--
"Basically the message is: Steal It!
Well, if it is Open Source, than I think we can put whatever we want there hehe. Die stupid politicians! I will put an entire anarchist manifesto on there.
Note: AL Gore will claim that he invented Open Source and Linux now hahahaha.
--
"Basically the message is: Steal It!
Yeah, right. Gore has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is a complete weenie. He's just pimping the open source concept for his own agenda. You think he's doing this for OS's good?
And the only thing he's responsible for, Internet-wise, is that incredibly stupid phrase "Information Superhighway". Anyone who actually takes credit for coining that phrase deserves to be laughed at.
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
"Could I have been anyone other than me?"
You have been anyone other than you. Those other you's turned into them's though. One of those other you's is algore, who's also another me, ugh.
"I have been in your shoes; I became you."
There are many other opportunities to get OS and its ilk positive publicity. Not everyone's a democrat (or a US citizen, or likes gore). This could hurt more than it could possibly help. It could also help make him seem clued in, and possibly get us a clueless president.
Buzzwords go out of fashion. OS should never go out of fashion.
You can compile it into MS help format, output it as ps (html2ps or whatever), any other format you wish. Or you can hide it behind server pushes like asp, php, scripts, etc... If the site uses any java, it's been compiled. OS doesn't mean ``viewable source'', os does.
Kinda of topic, but that crazed woman can't get enough of censorship, seems she knows what is best for us much better than we do.
She spent years fighting the music industry to keep bad words/themes out of music, and I suspect she is just itchin to tear apart that vile internet thing.
So let me get this straight. A politician grabs hold of a term which has recently become a pretty major buzzword.. grossly misuses it in a way that your average layman won't notice, but will rather be impressed by.. and you guys are -surprised-? :)
I'm sorry to say that it happens every day.. just not, so often, to our SIG. I suppose we should consider ourself lucky that we finally have politicians actively misrepresenting us.
-- neil
Interesting idea though. If this were truly open source than any political party could use the code to create thier web sites etc. The donation of code would be made the benifit of the political process, and not directly to the Al Gore campaign. This could be a very clever way to get around Campaign finance laws...
Which do you think means more to The Al Gore leagal team? The Open source hogwash, or the copyright symbol at the bottom of each page. It is interesting that there is no license attached to the code...
Anyone have the e-mail addresses for the people in charge of the NRA? Something tells me they would like to volunteer.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Mike
--
Mike
--
"Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?"
Somehow, "Mary Aitcheson" := "Stripper Whore".
Mike
--
Mike
--
"Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?"
Er... what's wrong with Elizabeth?
She is a religious freak without any original thoughts. All her speeches are scripted, and she never does anything spontaneous (like, um, answer audience questions...) I fear her as a president.
I would LOVE to see a female prez, but Liz Dole just ain't it.
--
--
Victor Danilchenko
... the man who single handedly invented the internet figured we'd all leave our free-love communes to program his website. (leaving him more time for shaking down his golfing buddy BillGatus of borg.)
My first contribution to the web site would be to post more pictures of his daughters. I love those Tennessee Values! They sure do look purty in them shorts.
Blar.
Whatever happened to the PMRC anyway? Is it still functioning? Tipper put on a few pounds but I bet she looked 'aight' back in the day when Al was still reproducing...
Blar.
My first contribution to the web site would be to post more pictures of his daughters. I love those Tennessee Values! They sure do look purty in them shorts. But please, put some shoes on!
Blar.
It probably will vanish...let us make an archive of Al Gore's idiocy for all time. Because, you know, he WILL get elected...
Blar.
I wonder how much Al himself contributed to that pubic spread...
Blar.
I thought that once Clinton choose Gore as a running mate, Tipper's involvement in PMRC would produce a flood of protest from the MTV crowd. It didn't; in fact I think MTV turned out to be a total tool for his campaign.
If Tipper had succeeded then some music would be BANNED! Fortunately we now have stickers on CDs instead. Now pre-teens know exactly what music to buy - the CDs that have explicit lyrics stickers. *thanks*
Al and Tipper have a legacy of wrong-thinking and ineffective policies on privacy, abortion and censorship.
Anybody who adheres to common sense and relishes their privacy and freedom will make their Y2k vote a vote against Gore.
Making it a buzzword is no good if people's understanding of the meaning of that buzzword is totally wrong.
Since when is HTML considered "Source Code"? How can HTML be anything but "Open Source"? If they were running a bunch of perl or something, I would almost give it the benefit of the doubt. What a retard. I hope the Libertarians do something really great to give the voters an alternative, cause George Hitler, Jr. and/or Algore aren't EVEN getting my vote. Who wants Tipper Gore (of PMRC fame, never forget or forgive that) to be that close to power? I was worried when she became Mrs. Vice Prez. I'm really gonna start sweating if she becomes the Wirst Lady.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
from Tipper's page...
"Throughout her lifetime, Tipper Gore has been an outspoken advocate for families, women and children. Her work has focused on issues such as mental health, young children's exposure to violent and explicit entertainment, children's health, education, homelessness and physical fitness."
Translation: Tipper has practiced censorship throughout the eighties and nineties in a misguided attempt to protect Americans from freedom and themselves. A wolf in sheep's clothing, she is a right-wing republican at heart and would like nothing more to see America as a real-life "Stepford Wives". Along with her husband, she continues to spread misinformation and untruths to this day to further Al's political career.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
Um, ESR's a Registered Libertarian. I'm guessing RMS is either a Libertarian or a Democrat (or even P&F), and I'm not sure about Bruce Perens.
I may be a democrat, but I don't exactly think Gore's got a leg to stand on. He's not scoring points with the Geeks who will hopefully be the Majority when November '00 rolls around With luck, we'll see a Sane Independent (Sorry, Ross Perot ^_^) in office for Y2K.
"All warfare is based on deception."
Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
And RMS as VP!
Think about it-ESR's got the Geek community (I mean, c'mon! It's ESR for crying out loud ^_^), he can woo the GOP with his Gun Control Views, He can get the Privacy Advocates no-prob (An Active PGP Supporter), and has the Ability to give a Speech! It's a good deal!
As for RMS, well, umm...nevermind ^_^
Kagenin
"All warfare is based on deception."
Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
Sounds more like a wannabe to me. He doesn't realize the the people he's trying to reach see through this.
"There are no cool guys in musicals." -- Coach McGuirk
Yeah he sound's like those kewl 5r1cp7 k1ds.. Those 13 olds most drool over his words, like alot of people on here drool on Beuwolfs..hehe..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yeah, I think so.. Hmm.. I can see it now.
'Gore gets sued over fake murder tools.'
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yeah, then your start your own company and take every one under you w/ you.. =P
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Neither are good.. Bush's father x-president that sucked in IMO, based on many facts like coke usuage went up while he was head of the CIA and he's repuplican (alot of religion behind that), Bush him self well, he hasn't done anything for texas (before I hear about well he made it manditory for kids to read (total bs projec) I do have alot of good reasons). Dole, well, he seems a bit out his mind lately, but at least he seems like the average american.
Then we have Gore, all I have to say about that is 'TIPPER'... If you are in the punk scene and free speech movement, you should know what I mean..
I don't vote, I don't want to hear the crap about how my vote counts, I know it does, but guess what, I find that most of the people that are on the ballot are not worthy of being in any office.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I would go, with my own stock pile of books, labled Holy something-or-other.
=>
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Think we should send an email to good ol' Gore and have him join /.
I can see it now.. Flame wars from hades..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Yeah, but how old are they? And I don't think we have a chance in hell, we are all 'evil'...
Yeah.. I can imagine it now, 'Hi Mr. and Mrs. Gore, I'm here to take your daughter out, we'll be listening to Dead Kennedy's while our way to church (The only church I would goto is an abandoned one *evil grin*). For all that don't, Dead Kennedy lead singer, Jello Biaffra, is Tipper most hated enemy.. He was her first victim becuase DK's last album(85-86) had H.R. Gigger's art work on it's cover.
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Front:
/.
Slashdot.org
Back:
Al Gore's face
"I invented the internet." -Al Gore
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Ever seen Creule Intentsions (htf you spell that) movie.. =P
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
Hey, he's even got a page so that you can spam all of your friends on behalf of Al.
l ist.html
http://www.algore2000.com/getinvolved/vol_mail_
wait wait wait. This makes sense. The Roswell UFO incident happened July 4, 1947. Al Gore was born on Mar 31, 1948. That's ~9 months. Assuming a normal gestation cycle....
This explains how Gore invented the internet. He's an alien. Its so clear now. If you thought Roger Clinton was bad, wait until Gore's "relatives" show up.
They exist! Slashdot is open source, right? And besides, you _have_ to trust the man who invented the Internet! ;)
I'm so glad I'm not American.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Ummm... Free software (I HATE Open source!) IS copyrighted...
The long awaited follow-up to his brilliant internet idea.
Seriously, I wonder how long 'til he takes credit for this one.
I mean, how many people -- newbies or real-life web designers -- actually examine the source of every site they visit? The only people I can think of who would look there unprovoked would be people wanting to copy the layout. Not likely.
"Whatever happened to fair use?"
-- Duff-Man
Did you actually look at the page source?
BWAHAHAHA! He wants Open Source enthusiasts to enter a competition for who can make the best "Gore for President" Linux screensaver. Yeesh.
---Joe Merlino gnupg public key ID: 1E91EBAF
credit? As in give al gore credit? "A" for Credit. Lets face it, the only reason that he claiming that he invented the internet is that clinton allready claimed everything else.
What a liar and schmooo.
Also from checking out the HTML source:
You're viewing the source code of algore2000.com, the official Gore 2000 Campaign Web Site.
If you like to program HTML, JavaScript, Java, C, Cold Fusion,Active Server Pages, Perl, cgi, or any other language used for web publishing -- if you are casually browsing our code, and you are interested in becoming actively involved with the campaign as a volunteer -- then you've come to the right place!
In the spirit of the open-source movement, we have established the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project. The source code project will make this one of the most open and interactive political campaigns ever.
When we expand the site in the coming months, content from source code volunteers from around the nation will be posted according to its geographic origin. For instance, if you are from Iowa or New Hampshire or California and you want to volunteer by writing content (in the programming language or on the platform of your choice)for those parts of the site, we urge you to do so.
Geographic origin is one criteria by which volunteer submissions will be judged. If you have an idea or concept that transcends geographic location, let us know and we will do our best to incorporate it into the site.
All individual volunteer ideas and submissions will be considered, and successful submissions will be credited as they go on-line.
This site is a living document, and we want it to get better every day. Your participation is crucial to its success.
To get involved with the Gore 2000 Volunteer Source Code Project, e-mail us at:
sourcecodevolunteers@algore2000.com
Tell us who you are, and if posssible, (include the URLs for any work you have done to show us your talents, interests and abilities).
Thanks for checking out our source code -- and we are looking forward to hearing from you!
This is amusing, despite the fact that you can't "program" in HTML and "CGI" isn't a language.
Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
The text should also point out that if he wants to be open source friendly, then he should be using Linux and Apache instead of IIS as lots of folks have pointed out. If you're serious, I'd be willing to help with what I can.
Skippy
"False modesty is the refuge of the incompetent." - The Stainless Steel Rat
Doesn't seem too funny to me, Taco. Didn't you release the source to /.'s back-end?
I believe they are talking about the admin to the site, that maintains the database, etc. You should really check into things before you start laughing and flaming. They request that you write for info regarding the source. Maybe you should do that.
I noticed an error with an image that was on their site and cleaned it up and sent a fix. I got a letter back within an hour thanking me for the cleanup.
Regarding "Gore creating the Internet", in fact he played an important role in the privatization of government controlled networks. If you consider the Internet as it is today (private, commercial, booming), Gore played a significant role (as a legislator) in bringing about changes to make it happen. He was a big proponent of the capabilities of the 'Net, and was an Internet user early on.
There was an NPR story regarding this recently, and I believe News.com mentions this fact in their piece regarding his site.
As far as websites go, his beats the other candidates' websites hands-down.
Well, this sounds like a perfect excuse to fix up the HTML and resubmit it to them.
Exercise your freedom. Take responsibility.
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,34749,00.html?st .ne.140.head
From the article, "'I think he deserves a lot of credit,' Farber said in a telephone interview, explaining that legislation that Gore introduced in Congress while a member of the Senate nearly a decade ago provided critically needed funding and research. 'Also, more than any other politician, Gore helped popularize it,' Farber said."
Don't see why not..........hehe
We'll see what Gore's interpretation of "open source" is after a few good satires pop up. If you actually read the fine print, all you're doing is volunteering to do web design.......sounds like Gore is grabbing catchphrases again, and you know what that means.......
oh, because linux users would enjoy propaganda (hehe, t.o.) on their desktops......yeah, ok.
Hmmmm....yes, my good man, I do believe I see a plan........Hehe, I also like the concept of the /. effect on a "open source" site......ummm....just curious. You can't compile HTML, can you?
Doesn't that make all HTML open source by definition, since the source is freely available (I know someone already said this, but wanted to get other opinions)
By that same logic, my local radio station is a network service provider, since it has a .net domain.
Does anybody know a way to dispute the right of people/businesses/groups etc. to domains they shouldn't use? I want to nail the radio station, as well as some businesses I know of that use .org domains.
Does this mean we can use any content on the page to establish a web site to mock Gore?
I propose that we all should collaborate to create a web page that outlines Al Gore's misuse of the concept of open source. Attached would be a prewritten document that explains and states the nature of what he has done. That way people can just click and email it to him (or cut/paste). Joe's Post is a pretty good start to what we need. If we could orgainze a little bit we might have a flood of emails showing up at Al Gore's email boxes. Imagine the nitemare we could create. I will provide webspace. I need some help from everyone else to provide a truly OPEN SOURCE web site that will be used to take down Al Gores mockery of OPEN SOURCE. Email me if you are intrested. Maybe we can get some help from slashdot.
~pearcec
Good I am glad I sparked some intertest. I immediatly emailed him my disgust with his use of the term OPEN SOURCE. I even submited some of my own code.
OPEN SOURCE (I think it is XML. Not sure...)
I also gave him some perl code for free.
$HTML_PAGE =~ s/source//g;
Seriously. I need someone that can write up a good letter to send to al gore. It needs to state all the reason why we belive he is wrong in using this and what he should do about it. Then I will take care of the rest. I will put up a website that will alow users to modify it and have it critqued by their peers. Create a true Open Source website.
~pearcec
to pull in techno-wannabe's, not /.ers and other 'real' talent.
"April 6, 1999
Thanks for checking out our source code! I plan to use this space to post
special messages to those who are helping to improve our web site -- by making
our source code the best it can be. The fact that you are peeking behind the
scenes at our site means you can make an important difference to this Internet
effort. I'm grateful for your help and support in this campaign. Now let's
keep working to build the 21st Century of our dreams!
Al Gore"
meaning, "If you are bright enough to click 'view source' in your browser, we want you to think you can be part of our elite techno-political team."
This seems aimed at people who don't really know that much, but just enough to jump on his bandwagon and regurgitate his tripe to anyone who will listen (or who they can corner)!
I think this might be pretty effective at attracting this (probably pretty large) segment of almost-clueless voters who know just enough to be able to boot their computer, browse the web, and find their way to the voting boot.
OK so that's Quayle
IMHO it's still funny
so there
--
Bun-Bun Rules!
90% of day read
10% of
www.goregear.com, now That's funny
and tipper... does anyone remember the PMRC?
do you seriously want this guy to have the little briefcase that has the button to launch the missles that blow up everything?
POTATOE!
--
Bun-Bun Rules!
90% of day read
10% of
Excite has reported that good Al's site blundered further by not adhereing to the Children's Online Privacy Protection by asking for kids names and e-mail addresses. This is all becoming a bit stupid. Doesn't this guy have a proper technology advisor?
Almost makes me want to start
voting again. This guy would
be a hoot as president.
Candy little girl?
I have yet to see an idea of Gore's (even back in the 1980s, when he was in Congress) that did not have a glimmer or of pure politics. Those who have lived in Tennessee know that he is an opportunist, and will do or say whatever is necessary to achieve what he wants, and I mean anything. Yes, I am willing to bet the whole attitude of the campaign page is nothing more than an attempt to cozy up to a segment of the population, most noteably (and likely) the 18-30 age group, mainly because that is the largest untapped age group, where no one party dominates. Now, i ask you, do you want someone as you leader whose goals are nearly, if not always, politically motivated for self-promotion? Or, knowing that most politicans do this, one who makes such thinly-veiled attempts at it? I for one, do not. I, unfortunately, cannot bring myself to trust this man, even though I have never met; something just reeks...
>nullspace said:
Al Gore is doing nothing more than leeching off of every mainstream idea that he can get a hold of in the hope of trying to win over niave voters who believe everything he is shoveling. I would like to believe that most of America sees right through this and does not vote for him come election time.
Now you see why the majority of Tennesseans do not like him. He, just like his father before him, will do whatever it takes to get elected. Politics is his life, and, unlike most, he is good at it... which is what scares me most, not knowing if he is posing for the polls and the votes, or if he actually means these things...
As for viable canidates, well, it is still only April of '99... I'll wait a bit before I become dishearten...
-G.
Giving Clinton and Gore credit for making "Internet" a buzzword is like giving them credit for the upturn and subsequent bull market that started in January of 1993, while Bush was still in office. Individuals do not shape these things... the Internet took off in 1994 (am i right here) when wide-spread access to the WWW became possible (I would also like to remind you of the paltry number of web sites back in 1993/1994, and the near non-existence of them in 1992). These men had nothing to do with it. A prospering economy gave more people access to computers, and some willing investors started up ISP's, and the rest took over... I cannot agree with you on giving them credit for that...
-G.
>Wee wrote:
Anyone who actually takes credit for coining that phrase deserves to be laughed at.
"Come on children, let's all point at Al and laugh. Hahahaha!"
Granted, I'm not a native speaker, but 'Tipper' sounds weird to me, similar to Flipper. Is this a modified version of a real name?
Open Source. All rights reserved. Oxymoron.
Well said. One point I would like to add.
There may be a tacit assumption that the web site will be released as Open Source. The requirements for submission are in line with that assumption. However, if that is the intention, it needs to be explicitly stated, otherwise it looks like trying to gather Open Source into Closed Source, which is an emphatic no-no.
The problem with Gore's "Open Source" is that it encourages growth in the disconnection between what those words mean 'here,' and what they mean to the rest of the world. Like it or not, open source, linux, etc. is gaining mindshare, and Gore is tapping into that.
Unless others continue to come forward to call him out on these issues, people won't understand what these terms are supposed to mean; instead, they will blindly accept media definitions.
Words mean what people want them to mean, and if the majority of people think Gore is 'open source,' then he'll have acquired the cachet of the phrase while diluting understanding --and acceptance -- of what it really means.
HA!
I was mulling over the oddness of this apparent turn around in his concept of the net and the most important issue in it (ownership of information).
I began trying to decide how much was Gore and how much was campain management - how would he be if elected, etc.
Now I dont need to wonder tho:) Your suggestion is the perfect test of his position. Lets push him a little- see if he closes the door as soon as we begin pouring through it!
If he doesnt pull any "the site is copywrited" bullshit after having his own site used against him I might just vote for him (or not)
Momerath
#telnet www.algore.com 80
[snip]
Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
[snip]
Hmm, open source.
Obviously the guy has set him self up to ridicule with his Internet comment and yes, obviously his definition of "open source" is, shall we say, a little stretched, however, ask yourself this question:
Do you think that any of the candidates would give you anything other than a blank stare if you used the words "open source" in their presence?
So give the guy an "A" for effort and a "C-" for execution.
we are do this... think of it as an government upgrade.
nmarshall
#include STD_DISCLAMER.H
R.U. SIRIUS: THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESPONSE
nmarshall
The law is that which it boldly asserted and plausibly maintained..
--Colonel Burr 1783
WHAT? help popularize it?...whatever. So he came up with the term "information superhighway." big deal, I've never used it. And come on...open source? Its HTML. It -has- to be "open source." The guy is a flake-he's been predicting that the end of the world would be "within 5 years" for 25 years now as a result of the evil american technology demon. He's just trying to change his image, and not because he cares about -you-. The only reason he said things like "snail mail" and "open source" was because he was trying to get a certain group of people to identify with him and vote for him. I would rather do without Gore's "help" with "open source," thank you. Don't buy something just because its being sold...
I think that Al Gore is trying to appeal to the young. Because he knows he's doesn't have enough glitz and charisma to appeal to the older more established types, he is trying to go after the technoweenies and the young. Unfortunately what Mr. Gore has forgotten is that most of the people he is trying to appeal to do not vote. They are uninterested in politics and could care less about his thinly vieled attempts to curry favour with the techies.
-Kit
Check out the 'my family' page... Al & Tipper's daughters are pretty hot. Admittedly, they're no Chelsea Clinton... ;)
get nemulator
Given the fact that a lot of open source contributions come from outside the US, assume someone important or powerful contributed source to Gore 2000 that gave him a shoe-in victory, (because his webpage was just amazing, whatever).
Could this result in something like Clinton had with the contributors from China? hmm...
I think that 99.9% of the readers of SD realize that "They're obviously not asking people to develop an AL GORE operating system." It's the fact that he tries to proclaim himself as a leader for the technology era without understanding a damn bit about it that has SD readers up in arms.
On a side note:
Gore tries to present himself as the technology candidate ready to lead us into the 21st century. What you should realize is that the olny the technological about Al Gore is the fact that he is a robot.
I'm really looking forward to the rant from RMS on this one...:)
censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
//heh
Switch(presidential_candidate)
{
case IDIOT:
alert("Hey! I'm an idiot! Vote for me and give me money!");
break;
case STUPID:
alert("I inverted the Internet! It will be open source. And I will own it all!");
break;
case ELECTED:
{
screw_the_public(taxpayers, working_folk);
alert("Thanks for giving me money. I've won now, so in return, I have instituted a tax hike and a six-day work week!");
spread_rumors(world, money);
break;
}
case DEFEATED:
{
for(var i=1; i>0; i++)
{
alert("WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!");
}
break;
}
default:
alert("This candidate is particularly lame. Can you say Dan Quayle?");
}
//Note: These are not necessarily the author's view's...:)
censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
If that's the case, maybe I could get a quick text file of the source code of the Internet? He wrote it after all, how big could it be?
Actually, I would have no problem with an AL GORE operating system being developed as an open source project.
;-)
What I take exception to is Al Gore promoting his campaign and trying to build an image as a "technology" candidate by stealing buzzwords and concepts he clearly doesn't understand.
As you pointed out, he's just asking for volunteers. He should simply do so, rather than trying to inflate his image with a hot buzzword that doesn't apply.
It's not some huge scandal, it just makes him look stupid, in my opinion.
P.S.: (I never claimed to be wise in the ways of science -- but I think Einstein was.
--
Actually, he *does* have the right to be disrespectful, whether you agree with him or not. I happen to agree, and I think what he wrote was right on target, although I'm not sympathetic to the Democratic party. ;-)
Gore's statement about "inventing the Internet" and now this foolish attempt to leverage a current tech buzzword to boost his image as a "technology politician" just make him look like an idiot. I think it's disrespectful to the open source community and the sincerity behind the open source concept.
Your vote counts! Less and less. It used to be that your leaders were chosen for you in smoke-filled rooms (i.e. by Fat Cats with big stogies hashing out the spoils of power). Now they're chosen for you in smoke-free rooms.
It's really funny to see all these threads whenever /. articles mention politics. You'd think that there was some sort of American college football game going on -- this is what politics and political discourse has been reduced to. Go State! Go Tech! Fsck you! Fsck you!
But that's a pretty fair description of what goes on in the larger world. The Vince Lombardi ethos (Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing) has taken over in a big way. So all these candidates are out there, trying to cash in some chips to raise money and attract more Fat Cats; I saw John McCain kiss major ass a while back, speaking at a South Carolina GOP gathering. That sort of spoils his appeal, doesn't it? He's supposed to be a think-for-himself non-kisser of asses, even GOP ones.
People like Gore, Elizabeth Dole, and George W Bush (the current frontrunners) have been preparing this run for years and years. When I first heard Bush utter the words "compassionate conservative" a year ago, I knew he'd already been reading his focus group data.
Politics is a business these days. No more, no less. The goal is to gain and keep power at all costs. Fight fight fight! Win win win! Go State! Lie if you have to, especially on TV; it isn't really a lie if you can get a lot of people to believe it. Bend the law if you must. These people aren't real leaders or public servants; the only people our elected representatives really represent are their major campaign donors and the party bosses (the groups are pretty much interchangeable these days). There are still a few exceptions, but none of them are running for president.
Your vote counts, but you have to do a lot of time-consuming homework. And a lot of time-consuming watchdogging -- people in power live their power trips 24/7. Who has the time to keep up with that? Most Americans choose not to. They get the government they deserve.
--
--
=8^
Has this changed?
At least the LP is running Apache, even if it is on Solaris...
Politics as usual, Democrats try "feel good" stuff, which is all talk with nothing behind it, Republicans don't rate except with the silent majority, so not as much "foot in mouth" syndrome, and the Libertarian Party firmly lives up to it's promises, and therefore goes ignored, because no one knows how to deal with politicians that do and believe what they say...
Gore didn't invent the internet... true... can you deny that he helped make the internet what it is now? No. The Gore and Clinton campaigns made the Internet a BUZZWORD. If he keeps up this Open Source stuff, he may help contribute to it becoming a BUZZWORD. If he can do that, it can only be good for us. So don't put it down -yet-.
!Xabbu
- Jimbob
So apparently he's running IIS. And he asked for contributions of Open Source and Linux stuff. Hell then, somebody make him get God - ie install Linux/Apache for him. Splash the penguin discreetly all over his site. Millions of people who don't /. will see it.
And instead of that, all I see is derision. He's trying, now if only you could think of the opportunities.
Is he really trying to popularize "Open Source"?
Or is he trying to just use this to help further his political career by appealing to a voting block & make himself look like he's hip & on the cutting edge?
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
own website. Any guesses how long it will take before a lawyer calls about copyright violations?
Maybe we should do that to prove a point
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
Or better yet, they will get the impression that they are on to something with this "Open Source Thang" and start to push even sillier things. This will be good for the entertainment value.
Or it could be bad because they will need to buy more MS IIS servers to handle an additional 20 hits/hour, and give Gates more money.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
Drop the rhetoric already.
When people outside of our community hear the term "Free Software" they generally think "Zero cost" software, not Freedom. Open Source is an attempt to clear up that confusion, which you should know since you were a part of it.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
This is an ASP site - only the output is available.
Seems that is all that most people think of it.
Could everyone *please* stop trying to jump on the boat to get more publicity?
*grumble*
This sig is false.
RMS may be able to add the no revocation clause, and we respect him for it, but it doesn't affect the use of the term Open Source.
If it's truly open-source then Al wouldn't mind at all if George Bush, Pat Buchanan, and Steve Forbes liberally [sic] borrowed from it, would he? It would just fine and dandy if Elizabeth Dole stole the winning screen saver and modified it.
And I can't wait to see what Jesse Ventura and Harry Browne come up with...
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I can see this screensaver with pictures of Al and nice little anecdotes ("Did you know that Al invented the internet? Well he did when he was in college in ...At the age of 21..") And then about 3 months before the election, a date switch flips and the anecdotes change ("Did you know that Al molested his daughters? Well he did and continues to do so.")
This is my signature. There are many signatures like it but this one is mine..
One should never slap someone down for sticking their neck out. Not even politicians with their head up their ass. So he's not clear on the concept of .... At least he's trying.
And for those who don't like his attempt to solicit volunteers (perhaps I shouldn't use the term solicit w.r.t. politicians:); I've yet to see any election campaign succeed without them.
ya well
Oh well, no point in steering now.
After viewing the site, I came right back to post a witty comment on Mr. Gore's attempt to "connect" with the open source community...
...and found that at least 47 people had beat me to it.
I'm glad to see there ARE still people who know nonsense when they see it. It's made my day (no joke).
On another note, if AG's website IS open source, I guess I can copy it, modify it, and put it up at my own website. Any guesses how long it will take before a lawyer calls about copyright violations?
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
It's GNU/AlGore2000. Get it right! :)
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
'cause he doesn't have any algorithm!
/. the Veeps web site!
Come on folks, if we try hard enough, we should be able to
His server is running Microsoft IIS I notice. Also, news reports have it that when he debuted his site is had a place for kids to type in their home address in violation in privacy laws which require parental permission first. He claimed his site wasn't subject to those laws (was there "no controlling legal authority"?) but he took down the page anyway.
Couple spam, censorship and trademark violations and what do you get? Al Gore.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
VP, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Did you check out the link (directly under the OPEN SOURCE paragraph) about the legal issues.
http://www.algore2000.com/g etinvolved/legal_notice.html
It seemed pretty strict with the requirements and there was a really interesting little quote that said, "If Gore 2000 selects your material for use on our website we will contact you with further legal requirements. "
It may be "Open Source", but I doubt it meets the requirements for " Free Software" (as mentioned earlier today.)
Do they meet the specifications of the Open Source Definition? Perhaps Bruce Perens, Richard Stallman, and Eric Raymond better check this out. We wouldn't want people claiming Open Source falsely!
Of course, one of them is probably a democrat, another a republican, and what do you wanna bet Stallman is an independent? Perhaps it would be better to ignore the whole thing and crawl under a rock, while listening to my Captial Steps CDs (I wouldn't want to be totally apolitical)
Then I could take all the code, post it on another website, and change the text a little, to make it an anti-Gore2000 website.
Somehow, I don't think he would be amused.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
And you thought Apple's liscence was restrictive. Email us your changes along with your name, email address, and current employer, and if we like them, they immediately become the property of AlGore 2000. No payment will be provided for the confiscation of code, but if you ask nice, they may give you an autographed photo of Tipper.
Long live the GOSL!
How many days until Gore takes credit for Open Source? Any chance he invented Perl, too?
Aren't all web sites open source? I mean, right there on the top row of my browser window, I've got this "View->Document Source" pulldown.
I guess it never did anything before?
(And yes, I know that's not what "Open Source" really means. But that button has probably been responsible for more self-taught HTML programmers than any single book.)
-- Alastair
<!-------Attention Open Source Enthusiasts!--------------------
A special message for Open Source Software enthusiasts: We are
very interested in developing content that takes advantage of Open
Source software such as Linux. For starters, we are conducting a
Gore 2000 Linux Screen Saver design competition among volunteers
to see who can build the best Gore 2000 Linux screen savers. If
you would like to submit a Gore 2000 Linux screen saver for
consideration, or if you have ideas for this project, please
send an e-mail to:
opensource@algore2000.com
Watch this space for more Open Source ideas and
volunteer opportunities.
-------------------------------------------------- ------------>
"Whatever happened to fair use?"
-- Duff-Man
I sent them my standard spanking letter.
Yes, Open Source is a trademark.
Yes, they're violating it. The OSD requires no discrimination against persons or groups, and yet they refuse to accept contributions from businesses. The OSD requires that the code (and documentation) be freely copyable, and yet NO copyright permissions are granted in their HTML.
Yes, they'll stop or we'll die trying.
-russ nelson, OSI board member in charge of misuse
This is definately one of the funniest things that I've seen all week. Some days, I really think Al Gore would be better off working the Funny Bone chain than the Presidental campaign circuit. But that's just me.
So, let's take a look at this web site and see how it ranks as open source? That could be fun...
The Freedom to run the program for any purpose.
Hmm. Can we use his website as something other than what it is intended? Can we in fact copy his web page source and make a similar page decrying his ideals and misunderstanding of the world? We can certainly try... I wonder what his lawyers would say? Please note that his copyright statement on that page does explicitly state that they reserve all rights and do not grant any particular license for alternate usage.
The Freedom to stucy how it works.
Well, we can do that. But that's the beauty behind the web: you can always do that.
The Freedom to redistribute copies.
This is a toughie. International law does saw that it is always legal to cache copies of web pages in your browser (or other means) in order to view a page. But that does not apply to print media and the definition of open source does not include any specific qualifications for what means source may be distributed. (Even if it is silly to print out all that code.) Again I point to the fact that they suggest that all rights are reserved.
The Freedom to improve code and release it to the public.
Well, Al Gore certainly wants you to improve his code. But take a look, his implied license states only that you may submit your changes to him (his employees). This violates the spirit of free software by not allowing your changes to be circulated without the consent of a third party. If no part of this farse is wrong but this one, this would truly be funny. The free software guidelines explicitly state: "If you do publish your changes, you should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way." I can't see a more blatant misuse of the "Open Source" trademark than a person or organization who breaks this most important of rules.
Irrevocable Freedoms
The free software guidelines states that software that is distributed free may not have cluuses or otherwise which would cause you to have your license revoked without cause. We can not explicitly state whether AL Gore violates this practice but we can point out that we don't even know the full text of the source license until after we submit changes: If Gore 2000 selects your material for use on our website we will contact you with further legal requirements.
All in all, I highly recommend that everyone send mail to Gore 2000 explining to them this misuse of the "Open Source" trademark. A good place to start would be legalteam@algore2000.com or sourcecodevolunteers@algore2000.com.
This kind of blatant misuse of the open source philosophy should not go, in my opinion, without the thundering reminders of many many voting-age open sourceists in the email boxes of those who seek to rape our most sacred of ideologies. Joe