What do you expect? If they actually acknowledged a real winner, they'd have to give out money (and we all know how they hate to do that) AND effectively toss away all the cash they'd thrown into it. (Never mind that part of the point of research is to find out what doesn't work!) Plus, it'd be really bad from the PR point of view...
Oh, well. Its also obvious that the technological solution is just to reduce the number of people taking advantage of their fair use rights to those who would do it anyway, to reduce the number of targets for the legal teams to mob...
Ah. So the election of the leader of what is probably the most powerful country in the world is irrelevant? I'm a Canadian, and this is a very big deal to me, as it should be to anyone with net access. The US pretty much dicates policy to a lot of countries by various means, so whoever's in charge there will make a big impact over a lot of the planet.
I must agree. I looked at some of the feature lists for Nautilus, and I thought "Wait a minute... This is a FILE MANAGER?" The Unix philosophy says that a lot of small bits should work together to provide a cohesive whole. Somehow, I don't think having an MP3 player integrated with a file manager integrated with a graphics viewer integrated with who-knows-what else fits into this idea of how software should work. Wasn't that the entire idea of MIME types (Linux) or file associations (Windows)? That the file manager could work out what program could best handle a file and hand things off to it?
Black IC? Can we PLEASE? Just for the niftiness effect. Since there's no cyberjack, there'd have to be other ways to harm the user... An exploding monitor, maybe...
I'm afraid I've got to agree. The versions of Win32 Mozilla I'ved used have been quite far ahead of the Linux versions. However, M18 came closer to closing that gap, and it (aside from a few bugs) is pretty close to the performance I'd expect from NS4.x and IE. I haven't tried NS6, but from everything I've heard, they took Mozilla and trimmed out anything remotely worthwhile.
Yeah, but what about when the DOJ slapped down IBM back in the '80s? Before that, IBM was about as unfriendly as you could get. Now, they do really cool stuff, don't agressively lean on their competitors, and generally behave nicely to everyone else. Sometimes a little government interference in the market is needed.
Which is why having a social life is such a handy thing. I'm still only in university, but I find that taking a break or heading off somewhere with friends for a couple of hours, then coming back to a project will usually let me do much better work than spending hours on end putting it together all in one chunk.
The thing is that, like almost everything in CS, managing programmers is still a developing field. Its going to take a while before people start working out how to do it best without destroying the programmers, but one thing is for sure. 70 hour weeks is not the right answer. -RickHunter
I find that I write much, much better code if I don't overwork myself. Having a social life lets me concentrate on other things, and when I start coding again, I've got a fresh perspective on something that might've seemed an insoluble problem a day or two before. Besides, I seem to recall that having a social life is healthier psychologically for many people... But, as always, it depends on the individual. Which is why managers should let the workers have a voice in decisions like that, as opposed to requiring overtime.
Wow... An intelligent post from Konstant that I agree with and isn't sarcastic.;-) (No offense to you, Konstant, but I usually disagree with pretty much everything you post)
If your employees are good, they presumably know their jobs. They can evaluate how long things take, how hard they will be to do, and things like that. It makes sense to give them some voice in how they're managed. Of course, included in this is giving them the freedom to NOT work insanely long hours if there are other ways to do things and they have other commitments.
Like hell you are. I can modify Mozilla and Linux all I like, but I'm not forced to do a single thing with it unless I give it to someone else. Then I have to give them the same freedoms the owner of the work chose to give me. And you still have a choice about whether or not to share without an insane concept like IP (which is an inaccurate description, see below). You can just not release things.
BTW, there is no such thing as IP. Copyrights are a limited monopoly over the COPYING and DISTRIBUTION of a work over a limited period of time. As government interference in a free market, copyrights are intrinsically not capitalist. Trademarks are something completely different. Patents are the closest thing to IP, but even they are still only limited monopolies.
Read the FSF's philosophy page sometime before you start posting these rants. If anything, the GPL is about protecting your "property." A reason I'd choose the GPL over the BSD license is so that some corporation can't come along, say "This is good code," and bury it away inside their product, which they promptly go out and make millions of dollars on.
GPLed code most certantly does belong to a single person: the owner. Once I've published the code under the GPL, I can't turn around and say "You can't use that anymore, I want it back!" about the particular version I released. But I (the owner) can choose to publish future releases under a different license, distribute the current release under a different license, or do pretty much anything else I want with it. I just can't take away the freedoms I've granted to people with the particular version that I GPLed.
That CIO thing is quite interesting indeed... Although there should probably be one in each branch of the government relating to high-tech. If I were an American committed to a lesser-evil vote, I'd go for Bush too. Fortunately, I'm a Canadian, and we actually have third parties up here and don't consider voting for them to be throwing away a vote.* And, as other/. commenters have said, at least with Bush, he ADMITS his evils. Gore tries to cover 'em up.
* - No, you haven't said you're doing this, but it seems inexplicably common among Americans.
Go Browne, or Nader, or pretty much anyone but the Republicrat candidate. (The diffs between Bush and Gore would be less than a screenfull) Oh, and avoid Buchanan, too. He's a nut.
Finally, yes, there -are- vast differences between the judeo-christian monotheistic religions, but that does not change the fact that they are more similar to each other than to the non-monotheistic religions.
Finally, yes, there -are- vast differences between modern computer architectures, but that does not change the fact that they are more similar to each other than to past computers that use other bases (ie, 10, 12, 8, 16) for computations.
Of course they're similar, as they all came from roughly the same area. But there are still vast differences between their beliefs and the way they interpret their holy texts. In fact, the same sentance even works if you reverse "non-monotheistic" and "judeo-christian monotheistic." Judeo-Christian religions probably aren't 99%, but they are a fairly high percentage. And remember that IT folk tend to be a bit unusual in any case.
Just arguing small stuff, as I agree with what seems to be your major point. I can't stand people who think the government should have any influence in religious affairs.
A good point, but isn't the president's influence on things like this minimal? Even considering his appointment of supreme court judges, there've been a history of those appointed by "extremist" presidents to do things their appointers didn't expect, isn't there?
Ok, stop griping and take a deep breath. There are still those of out there who want to help you. Despite the fact that I'm no longer really new to Linux, I still enjoy helping out new people. And there's a site with a bunch of people like that. A good resource (I've found) for new Linux users is http://www.linuxnewbie.org. They've got some newbie-friendly documentation, and there's lots of helpful people on the BBS. Try it sometime, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
As for install instructions... Yeah, that is one area that's majorly lacking. A good, automated package management system like that used by Debian can help a lot. Most of the package discriptions are really good, and even dselect isn't a horrible interface once you read the help.
No, he poked around AFTER the "cops got there." And he did nothing illegal in the process. And his accesses were well after the break-in. Someone on K5 thought that the FBI might've been scanning IRC logs and seen that he'd mentioned the method by which the act had been committed, and hauled him in for that.
IIRC, that's exactly what 2600 and all the other defendants tried to do. In the 2600 case, Judge Kaplan basically ignored everything they said about that, including Jon Johnson's testemony, and swallowed the party line offered by the MPAA hook, line, and sinker. I believe their reasoning was that, as it in theory could be used to make an illegal copy, or a device to do that, it was a prohibited device.
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What do you expect? If they actually acknowledged a real winner, they'd have to give out money (and we all know how they hate to do that) AND effectively toss away all the cash they'd thrown into it. (Never mind that part of the point of research is to find out what doesn't work!) Plus, it'd be really bad from the PR point of view...
Oh, well. Its also obvious that the technological solution is just to reduce the number of people taking advantage of their fair use rights to those who would do it anyway, to reduce the number of targets for the legal teams to mob...
-RickHunter
Oh. I suppose that sounds a bit better. Actually, a lot better, since other programs can probably also make use of those plugins...
-RickHunter
Ah. So the election of the leader of what is probably the most powerful country in the world is irrelevant? I'm a Canadian, and this is a very big deal to me, as it should be to anyone with net access. The US pretty much dicates policy to a lot of countries by various means, so whoever's in charge there will make a big impact over a lot of the planet.
-RickHunter
I must agree. I looked at some of the feature lists for Nautilus, and I thought "Wait a minute... This is a FILE MANAGER?" The Unix philosophy says that a lot of small bits should work together to provide a cohesive whole. Somehow, I don't think having an MP3 player integrated with a file manager integrated with a graphics viewer integrated with who-knows-what else fits into this idea of how software should work. Wasn't that the entire idea of MIME types (Linux) or file associations (Windows)? That the file manager could work out what program could best handle a file and hand things off to it?
-RickHunter
Worse:
All that's left is a widget or two. The skinnablility got dropped because AOL was afraid users would get confused.
-RickHunter
Black IC? Can we PLEASE? Just for the niftiness effect. Since there's no cyberjack, there'd have to be other ways to harm the user... An exploding monitor, maybe...
-RickHunter
Perhaps a host that has "open" censorware proxies, which will permit connections from any IP, would be useful for this purpose?
-RickHunter
I'm afraid I've got to agree. The versions of Win32 Mozilla I'ved used have been quite far ahead of the Linux versions. However, M18 came closer to closing that gap, and it (aside from a few bugs) is pretty close to the performance I'd expect from NS4.x and IE. I haven't tried NS6, but from everything I've heard, they took Mozilla and trimmed out anything remotely worthwhile.
-RickHunter
Yeah, but what about when the DOJ slapped down IBM back in the '80s? Before that, IBM was about as unfriendly as you could get. Now, they do really cool stuff, don't agressively lean on their competitors, and generally behave nicely to everyone else. Sometimes a little government interference in the market is needed.
-RickHunter
I think its best for Netscape to die off quietly and stop giving all these /. trolls easy ways to flame the Mozilla project.
-RickHunter
Which is why having a social life is such a handy thing. I'm still only in university, but I find that taking a break or heading off somewhere with friends for a couple of hours, then coming back to a project will usually let me do much better work than spending hours on end putting it together all in one chunk.
The thing is that, like almost everything in CS, managing programmers is still a developing field. Its going to take a while before people start working out how to do it best without destroying the programmers, but one thing is for sure. 70 hour weeks is not the right answer.
-RickHunter
I find that I write much, much better code if I don't overwork myself. Having a social life lets me concentrate on other things, and when I start coding again, I've got a fresh perspective on something that might've seemed an insoluble problem a day or two before. Besides, I seem to recall that having a social life is healthier psychologically for many people... But, as always, it depends on the individual. Which is why managers should let the workers have a voice in decisions like that, as opposed to requiring overtime.
-RickHunter
Wow... An intelligent post from Konstant that I agree with and isn't sarcastic. ;-) (No offense to you, Konstant, but I usually disagree with pretty much everything you post)
If your employees are good, they presumably know their jobs. They can evaluate how long things take, how hard they will be to do, and things like that. It makes sense to give them some voice in how they're managed. Of course, included in this is giving them the freedom to NOT work insanely long hours if there are other ways to do things and they have other commitments.
-RickHunter
It'd probably be a good idea for us to do that anyways, because no matter who wins, we're screwed.
-RickHunter
you are FORCED to share it
Like hell you are. I can modify Mozilla and Linux all I like, but I'm not forced to do a single thing with it unless I give it to someone else. Then I have to give them the same freedoms the owner of the work chose to give me. And you still have a choice about whether or not to share without an insane concept like IP (which is an inaccurate description, see below). You can just not release things.
BTW, there is no such thing as IP. Copyrights are a limited monopoly over the COPYING and DISTRIBUTION of a work over a limited period of time. As government interference in a free market, copyrights are intrinsically not capitalist. Trademarks are something completely different. Patents are the closest thing to IP, but even they are still only limited monopolies.
-RickHunter
Read the FSF's philosophy page sometime before you start posting these rants. If anything, the GPL is about protecting your "property." A reason I'd choose the GPL over the BSD license is so that some corporation can't come along, say "This is good code," and bury it away inside their product, which they promptly go out and make millions of dollars on.
GPLed code most certantly does belong to a single person: the owner. Once I've published the code under the GPL, I can't turn around and say "You can't use that anymore, I want it back!" about the particular version I released. But I (the owner) can choose to publish future releases under a different license, distribute the current release under a different license, or do pretty much anything else I want with it. I just can't take away the freedoms I've granted to people with the particular version that I GPLed.
-RickHunter
That CIO thing is quite interesting indeed... Although there should probably be one in each branch of the government relating to high-tech. If I were an American committed to a lesser-evil vote, I'd go for Bush too. Fortunately, I'm a Canadian, and we actually have third parties up here and don't consider voting for them to be throwing away a vote.* And, as other /. commenters have said, at least with Bush, he ADMITS his evils. Gore tries to cover 'em up.
* - No, you haven't said you're doing this, but it seems inexplicably common among Americans.
-RickHunter
Go Browne, or Nader, or pretty much anyone but the Republicrat candidate. (The diffs between Bush and Gore would be less than a screenfull) Oh, and avoid Buchanan, too. He's a nut.
-RickHunter
Finally, yes, there -are- vast differences between the judeo-christian monotheistic religions, but that does not change the fact that they are more similar to each other than to the non-monotheistic religions.
Finally, yes, there -are- vast differences between modern computer architectures, but that does not change the fact that they are more similar to each other than to past computers that use other bases (ie, 10, 12, 8, 16) for computations.
Of course they're similar, as they all came from roughly the same area. But there are still vast differences between their beliefs and the way they interpret their holy texts. In fact, the same sentance even works if you reverse "non-monotheistic" and "judeo-christian monotheistic." Judeo-Christian religions probably aren't 99%, but they are a fairly high percentage. And remember that IT folk tend to be a bit unusual in any case.
Just arguing small stuff, as I agree with what seems to be your major point. I can't stand people who think the government should have any influence in religious affairs.
-RickHunter
A good point, but isn't the president's influence on things like this minimal? Even considering his appointment of supreme court judges, there've been a history of those appointed by "extremist" presidents to do things their appointers didn't expect, isn't there?
-RickHunter
Ok, stop griping and take a deep breath. There are still those of out there who want to help you. Despite the fact that I'm no longer really new to Linux, I still enjoy helping out new people. And there's a site with a bunch of people like that. A good resource (I've found) for new Linux users is http://www.linuxnewbie.org. They've got some newbie-friendly documentation, and there's lots of helpful people on the BBS. Try it sometime, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
As for install instructions... Yeah, that is one area that's majorly lacking. A good, automated package management system like that used by Debian can help a lot. Most of the package discriptions are really good, and even dselect isn't a horrible interface once you read the help.
-RickHunter
There should be no Darwin Awards relating to politics. There would be just too many candidates. The judges wouldn't be able to choose between them!
-RickHunter
Umm... Yeah, that's called using a quote out of context. Anyone can do it. To counter, you just provide the full write-up to the judge.
-RickHunter
No, he poked around AFTER the "cops got there." And he did nothing illegal in the process. And his accesses were well after the break-in. Someone on K5 thought that the FBI might've been scanning IRC logs and seen that he'd mentioned the method by which the act had been committed, and hauled him in for that.
-RickHunter
IIRC, that's exactly what 2600 and all the other defendants tried to do. In the 2600 case, Judge Kaplan basically ignored everything they said about that, including Jon Johnson's testemony, and swallowed the party line offered by the MPAA hook, line, and sinker. I believe their reasoning was that, as it in theory could be used to make an illegal copy, or a device to do that, it was a prohibited device.
-RickHunter