Unless Kinky Kurt's Krotch Kingdom is illegal, what's your worry? I'd prefer the convenience of the map tool to the privacy of my location anyday, even if I do have a customer loyalty card at Marv's Muff Emporium AND Kinky Kurt's.
Actually, I'd say Apple is being singled out, because they are the only company with enough balls to actually show how their product works on a commercial, instead of relying on some pop-star to hold it in her hand. In otherwords, the Apple hype stems from the excellence of the product. They hype also stems from the simple fact that most of us can't believe it has taken this long for phones to include a functional UI.
Not even close to the same thing. That was worse than your standard slashdot car analogy.
Now if you'd like to explain how the Apple/AT&T deal is remotely different than nearly EVERY freakin' cell phone + carrier = lengthy contract deal in the US now, I'm all ears.
Excellent points. The reason Mac OS is overwhelmingly adopted by the creative industry is that it does creative tasks well. The PC is just a big empty box that doesn't do anything particularly well, yet gives derranged customers like the guy who posted this thread the security of knowing it can be whatever they want it to be. The same kind of people who buy consumer products based on the list of features (without regard to quality) are the same people who complain about the walled-garden approach Apple takes. Gimme quality over features any day of the week.
you'll notice that the Wired magazine article didn't mention any recent hit records
I missed the memo that requires an artists has to have continued commercial success to be considered relevant. Uh, when was the last successful Stones album? How about the Boss (outside of his core, not a mainstream success since 1984)?
So I should be listening to what Britney Spears has to say about the industry instead?
Reminds me (a real graphic designer) of when html crashed our design party in the mid 90s. Suddenly anyone with an Internet connection was a "graphic designer". And we all know about the quality of Joe Random on the Internet.
There are plenty of talented bands who have stuck with the old way of doing things. It's what they now, it makes them tons of money, and it lets them have time to conduct the self-destructive behavior they have all grown to love. You can't assume that GREAT musicians don't use the old model, just because there are new and exciting ways to promote yourself. You also can't assume if an artists "sells-out" that their music will automatically be worse than if the self-manage. It may be the case in 99% of pop-acts, but then again, pop-music isn't really selling musical talent in the first place. Britney is an entertainer, not a singer, for example.
And they can be successful by using the labels as well. You can't infer the correlation that you are trying to infer, in that good artists do it themselves, and crappy sell-out artists use the labels. I kinda get tired of the whole, "the industry is evil". If it is so evil, then the musicians should stop using them. If the other options are so good, and the industry so evil, then there really would be no reason for any artist ever to use the label route. Yet, thousands of artists become filthy stinking rich in spite of the dangers of going that route.
As Mr. Byrne points out, there are tradeoffs for each model, and it is up to the artists to decide which is best. Personally, I can't stand spending one minute trying to promote any band that I'm in (other than talking about it with people and inviting peopple to shows), because it isn't any fun and is more work than everything else combined related to making music.
Mod me totally off topic, but this post highlights EXACTLY why the current state of music is where it is (from a pop quality standpoint). Even if you are only 20, how can you have NOT heard of the Talking Heads? Bands like The Talking Heads are what make me right when I argue that 80s music is better than 2000s music.
I agree. If Mr. Byrne is correct, and the artist makes about the same in royalties from a cd as the artist does from a download (because Apple eats up the 30% normally taken by distro and other costs of regular cds), the Artist will come out ahead eventually. Why? Because the cost to the consumer is less for the same amount of music, freeing up more money for the consumer to buy MORE music from the artists.
There are many other ways to produce music and make a living with it.
Undoubtedly there are more ways than Mr. Byrne stated, but to be fair, he was merely walking us through the business as it stands right now, limiting his response to just those realistic paradigms that are available.
The Air Force is hell bent on lining the pockets of Dell and Microsoft, with their stupid, COTS (commercial-off-the-shelf) procurement requirements.
The Army and Marines use a lot of Linux. My company sells software to mostly the Army, and we have lots of Linux developers for a couple of Linux only intel software apps.
The NSA (and all the branches of service that work in/for it) uses a heavy mix of UNIX and Windows (and the largest chunk of Mac OS X of any gov't agency I know of).
Bascially, each branch operates in a fishbowl, separate from each other, so it is hard to generalize the Department of Defense's computer uses.
See, what you've described is the music version of Apple stores (to keep this on topic). If this article were about music stores using the Apple store model, the thread would be loaded with lots of praising posts. But of course, this is slashdot, and we all know Apple is evil, and only cultist hipster elites use Apple products, right?
Good choice on the hi-hats by the way. I've been using K Custom hats for about five years now and have been wanting to try some Mastersounds. I just couldn't bring myself to buy ANY drum stuff while I lived in England though, given your economy's ridiculous prices!
I would suggest your negative experience with getting an appointment has more to do with the location (freakin HUGE London) than it does with Apple's support practices. I lived in the UK for the past 2 years, and service in general (no offense) is awful in your country, when compared to the pampered consumer-centered culture of the US.
Actually, I laughed at them for trying to sell me really awful computers, using awful, outdated high-pressure sales tactics and gaudy, kitschy displays.
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Unless Kinky Kurt's Krotch Kingdom is illegal, what's your worry? I'd prefer the convenience of the map tool to the privacy of my location anyday, even if I do have a customer loyalty card at Marv's Muff Emporium AND Kinky Kurt's.
If I WERE richer. (Subjunctive case, "If I was..." becomes "If I were...").
Excellent post otherwise.
If you can't even get the price of the phone right, how am I supposed to take the rest of your post seriously?
Actually, I'd say Apple is being singled out, because they are the only company with enough balls to actually show how their product works on a commercial, instead of relying on some pop-star to hold it in her hand. In otherwords, the Apple hype stems from the excellence of the product. They hype also stems from the simple fact that most of us can't believe it has taken this long for phones to include a functional UI.
Now if you'd like to explain how the Apple/AT&T deal is remotely different than nearly EVERY freakin' cell phone + carrier = lengthy contract deal in the US now, I'm all ears.
Excellent points. The reason Mac OS is overwhelmingly adopted by the creative industry is that it does creative tasks well. The PC is just a big empty box that doesn't do anything particularly well, yet gives derranged customers like the guy who posted this thread the security of knowing it can be whatever they want it to be. The same kind of people who buy consumer products based on the list of features (without regard to quality) are the same people who complain about the walled-garden approach Apple takes. Gimme quality over features any day of the week.
My iPhone hasn't "dumm"ed me down enough to recognize a troll when I see it though...
So I should be listening to what Britney Spears has to say about the industry instead?
Reminds me (a real graphic designer) of when html crashed our design party in the mid 90s. Suddenly anyone with an Internet connection was a "graphic designer". And we all know about the quality of Joe Random on the Internet.
There are plenty of talented bands who have stuck with the old way of doing things. It's what they now, it makes them tons of money, and it lets them have time to conduct the self-destructive behavior they have all grown to love. You can't assume that GREAT musicians don't use the old model, just because there are new and exciting ways to promote yourself. You also can't assume if an artists "sells-out" that their music will automatically be worse than if the self-manage. It may be the case in 99% of pop-acts, but then again, pop-music isn't really selling musical talent in the first place. Britney is an entertainer, not a singer, for example.
As Mr. Byrne points out, there are tradeoffs for each model, and it is up to the artists to decide which is best. Personally, I can't stand spending one minute trying to promote any band that I'm in (other than talking about it with people and inviting peopple to shows), because it isn't any fun and is more work than everything else combined related to making music.
Mod me totally off topic, but this post highlights EXACTLY why the current state of music is where it is (from a pop quality standpoint). Even if you are only 20, how can you have NOT heard of the Talking Heads? Bands like The Talking Heads are what make me right when I argue that 80s music is better than 2000s music.
I agree. If Mr. Byrne is correct, and the artist makes about the same in royalties from a cd as the artist does from a download (because Apple eats up the 30% normally taken by distro and other costs of regular cds), the Artist will come out ahead eventually. Why? Because the cost to the consumer is less for the same amount of music, freeing up more money for the consumer to buy MORE music from the artists.
The Army and Marines use a lot of Linux. My company sells software to mostly the Army, and we have lots of Linux developers for a couple of Linux only intel software apps.
The NSA (and all the branches of service that work in/for it) uses a heavy mix of UNIX and Windows (and the largest chunk of Mac OS X of any gov't agency I know of).
Bascially, each branch operates in a fishbowl, separate from each other, so it is hard to generalize the Department of Defense's computer uses.
Note I didn't say Apple seemingly avoids blaming the user.
Well, to be fair, I've seen at LEAST three articles just on slashdot showing the same findings. Does he really need to cite the obvious?
The worst part about getting old is James Taylor keeps popping up in the middle of Slipknot and Trivium, when I put iTunes on random play.
Good choice on the hi-hats by the way. I've been using K Custom hats for about five years now and have been wanting to try some Mastersounds. I just couldn't bring myself to buy ANY drum stuff while I lived in England though, given your economy's ridiculous prices!
My brother sent me a $100 gift certificate to Costco for Christmas. Good timing on your comment. (Do I have to be a member or something to get in?)
I would suggest your negative experience with getting an appointment has more to do with the location (freakin HUGE London) than it does with Apple's support practices. I lived in the UK for the past 2 years, and service in general (no offense) is awful in your country, when compared to the pampered consumer-centered culture of the US.
Actually, I laughed at them for trying to sell me really awful computers, using awful, outdated high-pressure sales tactics and gaudy, kitschy displays.