should be pretty easy for apple and microsoft to switch around the way their updaters work... simply make the decisions about what updates the client needs on the client by sending a list of available updates and a set of dependencies.
sure, its not efficent, and its kind of braindead to not have the server make these decisons... but if you have to get around this pattent it sounds like you could do it.
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what makes you think that anit-virus software written for OS X will even be able to detect a windows virus lying dormant in a file. The code wont even execute on the processor. the anti-virus software is not going to have deffinitions for viruses that dont exist on the platform that the software was designed for.
what blows my mind is that someone like you, in what is relatively a low pressure situation (no offense), will take all these steps but that a news papaer like the tribune would not.
I mean, newspapers are constantly under deadline, its their very nature... there is not "down time" that is measured in days or weeks. These people risk not shiping a paper every time they touch their systems, you would think that they would have the professional sense to take the same kind of precations that seem so obvious to the rest of us.
A few years ago I worked for a publishing company that sold software to newspapers and magazines for publishing (mostly ad layout stuff). we became the re-seller of a pice of content management software that was being customized by us and installed (for the first time ever anywhere) at one of the larger magazines published by one of the largest mega-media companies.
We didnt just rush in headlong and try to install and run the software in production the first time. for a while the system ran in paralell with the production system as a proof of concept (just a few of the pages at the time). Then, when it was deamed ready those few pages were published live out of the system (still had other sources if it went bad)
the system worked as designed and we were able to publish the pages out of it. unfotuantely the software wasnt very usefull or costeffective so the project was ultimately scraped. Still, this is obviously the way to handle something like this, dont just rush headlong and detach your old software and systems for the new ones. run them in parallel in a production environment... its realy the only way to be sure.
Im a beer brewer and a mead maker but I havent played with cider yet... probably will give it a shot this fall. i have a friend who has a press and usualy presses his own cider.
the point is not to try and bring action against the individuals... that would be nearly impossible and not worth your time... the point is to scare the crap out of people and draw negative attention to the store which will impact the way management deals with you as well.
yea, but what if you suspected that the cop was after you for something that the cops dont actualy know about yet. do you have to tell the court "oh well, I was worried that he had found my 500 plant grow op in my basement and was just trying to confirm my identity, but since he hasnt I guess we dont have anything to worry about... see you later."
im sure that would go well.:)
how are you supposed to know that they dont want your name becuase they plan to arrest you... do they have to tell you that they are looking to arrest someone with a given name before asking for yours?
seems to me that if I am able to wite a legitimate pice of software to do any job and then sign it myself then there is no protection.
if, and Ill admit I dont entirely understand trusted computing, all stuff related to say, DVDs in this case is handled by the OS and the OS alone and all you can do is write a shell then the OS becomes the DVD player and what happes when you want to run a differnt os.
I do belive that you can make a trusted computing system by having this level of controll but I dont think you can let people sign their own apps if thoes apps are going to be able to manipulate data. I could be wrong though... it will be intersting to see how this plays out.
perhaps Im not deep enough to understand what PKD is trying to do with this. It seemed forced and artificial to me at the time.
what did you get from it. why were the people in PKDs world so interested in this virtual suffering. he says many times that it give people the feeling of empathy of shared struggle, but if you need a box to give you that then you are in deep shit.
why have a box when you have a life.
would you say that PKD was in favor, or opposed to the idea of mercerisim? I didnt really didnt walk away with an understaning of his feeling on the matter... he certainly didnt seem daming of the idea. did he think that something like this would be good for humanity?
its not that it isnt social comentary... its that it is ineffective social comentary...
what did you take away from Do androids dream... what did it make you think about the human condition.
I didnt take much away from it... sure it had social commentarty... like a sledgehammer hitting you over the head over and over... humans like empathy.... in my vision of the future they will plug into a box to feel the pain of someone pushing a rock just to get this empathy...
im sorry, for me, thats not exactly griping social commentary... nor do I buy into it as something humans would ever do.
where dick does have social comentary he hits you over the head with it repeatedly... there is no subtlty... he makes it clear what he thinks rather than compelling his readers to ask questions about what might happen... for me, that does not make very compelling Sci-fi
now admitedly things like total recall (havent read the short story) with the whole question about what is real in your perceptinos an what is fake and the question of what life would be like if we had the power to manipulate memory is much more interesting that anything I read in Do androids Dream, but thats really not enough for me.
Once again, this is just me. other people read Sci-fi differntly than others... people get differnt things out of different books...
thats one reason why I am interested in trying addiontanl PKD books.
see, if the whole animal thing is about empathy, and the humans all want empathy... why is it that the social competition thing is there to cloud the issue.
Also, how can I realy get into a book that has empathy as the main theme when I feel absolutely no empathy for the main character.
the religon of empathy thing didnt really sit right with me anyway... empathy isnt something we get from religon... religons point is to distract you from the complete unknown that awaits you at the end of your life... I think humans are far more obsessed with that than with getting empathy, which is not realy that hard to come by.
its not that Dick doesnt try to do good things with his books, and its not that he doesnt have good basic ideas... its purely a matter of execuation... and perhaps it is just limited to do androids dream... I never said I wouldnt try out some more novels of his.
Ill certainly try it out... I might try to go on a tear of reading PKD. Do androids dream kind of turned me off, but its realy not fair to judge his works based on one novel.
of course it does... but its been done... buy like.. the greeks!
thats the point... I dont buy people pluging into some VR to get to feel the pain of some guy pushing a rock. we dont need that... we have what we like to call lives... the suck, its the human condition, why put it in VR.
I just didnt sit right with me, and frankly the whole replicants doing drugs to get a feeling of connection didnt make much sense to me either. it just didnt feel authentic. you can have the best ideas in the world but if you dont write about them in a beliveable way it wont work.
I am intrested, however in Dicks knowledge of drugs. I hadnt realized that a number of his works involve drugs in one way or another, that might lead me to try out this book since it is the general theme of the book... maybe he has somehting interesing to say about it.
the problem is, that by the middle of the book, I didnt CARE if he was more human... I didnt care about any of it.
and the hole guy pushing a rock thing... it just didnt make a hell of alot of sense to me, I didnt buy into the idea that everyone in the world would get into it eiether.
personaly, I feel that the movie (directors cut) did a much better job of making you question the morality of the situation. it did it in a subtle way, unlike the book which hit you over the head repeatedly as if with a mallet!
thats the type of shit that I dont like in any medium... if you have to make your point with a sledgehammer then you probably shouldnt bother to make the point at all.
much like he was perfect for NEO in the first matrix. all he has to do is stand around and look confused. other than that it was all stunt work (which, to his credit, he did a good job with)
I havent read very much PKD. but I did read "Do androids dream of electric sheep" because I had liked blade runner and although I knew that the two storeis were very different I thought I should at least try it out.
(Im going to get hammered for this... so much for that nice karma rating)
I realy didnt like it at all. I found the writing to be kind of childish and the story and concepts to be rather un-interesting. I didnt realy buy into the shared experience of being sisyphus and pushing a rock up a hill, it just didnt seem beliveable with regard to humaity. And frankly, I didnt see a hole lot of the social commentary that makes good Scifi actualy good.
see, its not just about the writer comming up with some weird technology, but realy the writer making commentary about humanity (or life in general) within the context of the technology that makes for realy interesting Sci-fi. At least for me, YMMV! I just didnt walk away from this book feeling any of that... I just didnt buy any of the motivations or actions that the characters took.
Perhaps Im just more of a Ray Bradbury type.
I wouldnt mind trying out some more PKD but keeping in mind my feelings about this story, perhaps you (or someone else) could recomend other stories by him that I might like. He is one of the most beloved Scifi writers around... there must be something to it.
oddly enough... although there is enough space for the 7 harddrives nceessary to get to 2.8 TB there is not enough space left for a 1.4MB floppy drive!:)
quote: The women are trying so hard to embellish that they're totally off-key
If I hear another warbaling wonder I think I will puke... I am so sick of this recent trend of female vocalists to make their voices warble, taking them way the fuck off key and making them hard to listen to... all just to mask the fact that their voices are bland and borring...
get someone with some friggin pipes, not these pathetic wannabes.
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should be pretty easy for apple and microsoft to switch around the way their updaters work... simply make the decisions about what updates the client needs on the client by sending a list of available updates and a set of dependencies.
sure, its not efficent, and its kind of braindead to not have the server make these decisons... but if you have to get around this pattent it sounds like you could do it.
what makes you think that anit-virus software written for OS X will even be able to detect a windows virus lying dormant in a file. The code wont even execute on the processor. the anti-virus software is not going to have deffinitions for viruses that dont exist on the platform that the software was designed for.
what blows my mind is that someone like you, in what is relatively a low pressure situation (no offense), will take all these steps but that a news papaer like the tribune would not.
I mean, newspapers are constantly under deadline, its their very nature... there is not "down time" that is measured in days or weeks. These people risk not shiping a paper every time they touch their systems, you would think that they would have the professional sense to take the same kind of precations that seem so obvious to the rest of us.
Absolutely.
A few years ago I worked for a publishing company that sold software to newspapers and magazines for publishing (mostly ad layout stuff). we became the re-seller of a pice of content management software that was being customized by us and installed (for the first time ever anywhere) at one of the larger magazines published by one of the largest mega-media companies.
We didnt just rush in headlong and try to install and run the software in production the first time. for a while the system ran in paralell with the production system as a proof of concept (just a few of the pages at the time). Then, when it was deamed ready those few pages were published live out of the system (still had other sources if it went bad)
the system worked as designed and we were able to publish the pages out of it. unfotuantely the software wasnt very usefull or costeffective so the project was ultimately scraped. Still, this is obviously the way to handle something like this, dont just rush headlong and detach your old software and systems for the new ones. run them in parallel in a production environment... its realy the only way to be sure.
wouldnt cider with honey technicaly be a cyzer?
Im a beer brewer and a mead maker but I havent played with cider yet... probably will give it a shot this fall. i have a friend who has a press and usualy presses his own cider.
the point is not to try and bring action against the individuals... that would be nearly impossible and not worth your time... the point is to scare the crap out of people and draw negative attention to the store which will impact the way management deals with you as well.
then of course, never return to the store.
only if the moderation system made any sense and the moderators werent out of their minds!
"Massachusetts"
well spelled!
funny... I was about to post that I learned my ounce to gram conversion from the drug trade... but this is much more clever.
hey, those fractional grams realy add up too!
yea, but what if you suspected that the cop was after you for something that the cops dont actualy know about yet. do you have to tell the court "oh well, I was worried that he had found my 500 plant grow op in my basement and was just trying to confirm my identity, but since he hasnt I guess we dont have anything to worry about... see you later."
im sure that would go well.
how are you supposed to know that they dont want your name becuase they plan to arrest you... do they have to tell you that they are looking to arrest someone with a given name before asking for yours?
seems to me that if I am able to wite a legitimate pice of software to do any job and then sign it myself then there is no protection.
if, and Ill admit I dont entirely understand trusted computing, all stuff related to say, DVDs in this case is handled by the OS and the OS alone and all you can do is write a shell then the OS becomes the DVD player and what happes when you want to run a differnt os.
I do belive that you can make a trusted computing system by having this level of controll but I dont think you can let people sign their own apps if thoes apps are going to be able to manipulate data. I could be wrong though... it will be intersting to see how this plays out.
short stories arent a bad idea... I have often found that some of the most briliant Sci-fi is in short story form.
Thanks Ill try some out.
perhaps Im not deep enough to understand what PKD is trying to do with this. It seemed forced and artificial to me at the time.
what did you get from it. why were the people in PKDs world so interested in this virtual suffering. he says many times that it give people the feeling of empathy of shared struggle, but if you need a box to give you that then you are in deep shit.
why have a box when you have a life.
would you say that PKD was in favor, or opposed to the idea of mercerisim? I didnt really didnt walk away with an understaning of his feeling on the matter... he certainly didnt seem daming of the idea. did he think that something like this would be good for humanity?
its not that it isnt social comentary... its that it is ineffective social comentary...
what did you take away from Do androids dream... what did it make you think about the human condition.
I didnt take much away from it... sure it had social commentarty... like a sledgehammer hitting you over the head over and over... humans like empathy.... in my vision of the future they will plug into a box to feel the pain of someone pushing a rock just to get this empathy...
im sorry, for me, thats not exactly griping social commentary... nor do I buy into it as something humans would ever do.
where dick does have social comentary he hits you over the head with it repeatedly... there is no subtlty... he makes it clear what he thinks rather than compelling his readers to ask questions about what might happen... for me, that does not make very compelling Sci-fi
now admitedly things like total recall (havent read the short story) with the whole question about what is real in your perceptinos an what is fake and the question of what life would be like if we had the power to manipulate memory is much more interesting that anything I read in Do androids Dream, but thats really not enough for me.
Once again, this is just me. other people read Sci-fi differntly than others... people get differnt things out of different books...
thats one reason why I am interested in trying addiontanl PKD books.
If any developer can sign their own software then what is to stop Virus makers from signing their viruses?
what is to stop the DECSS programmer from signing DECSS, what is the whole point of this trusted computer thing anyway?
thanks for the list... I will try some of these titles.
see, if the whole animal thing is about empathy, and the humans all want empathy... why is it that the social competition thing is there to cloud the issue.
Also, how can I realy get into a book that has empathy as the main theme when I feel absolutely no empathy for the main character.
the religon of empathy thing didnt really sit right with me anyway... empathy isnt something we get from religon... religons point is to distract you from the complete unknown that awaits you at the end of your life... I think humans are far more obsessed with that than with getting empathy, which is not realy that hard to come by.
its not that Dick doesnt try to do good things with his books, and its not that he doesnt have good basic ideas... its purely a matter of execuation... and perhaps it is just limited to do androids dream... I never said I wouldnt try out some more novels of his.
Ill certainly try it out... I might try to go on a tear of reading PKD. Do androids dream kind of turned me off, but its realy not fair to judge his works based on one novel.
of course it does... but its been done... buy like.. the greeks!
thats the point... I dont buy people pluging into some VR to get to feel the pain of some guy pushing a rock. we dont need that... we have what we like to call lives... the suck, its the human condition, why put it in VR.
I just didnt sit right with me, and frankly the whole replicants doing drugs to get a feeling of connection didnt make much sense to me either. it just didnt feel authentic. you can have the best ideas in the world but if you dont write about them in a beliveable way it wont work.
I am intrested, however in Dicks knowledge of drugs. I hadnt realized that a number of his works involve drugs in one way or another, that might lead me to try out this book since it is the general theme of the book... maybe he has somehting interesing to say about it.
yep your right...
the problem is, that by the middle of the book, I didnt CARE if he was more human... I didnt care about any of it.
and the hole guy pushing a rock thing... it just didnt make a hell of alot of sense to me, I didnt buy into the idea that everyone in the world would get into it eiether.
personaly, I feel that the movie (directors cut) did a much better job of making you question the morality of the situation. it did it in a subtle way, unlike the book which hit you over the head repeatedly as if with a mallet!
thats the type of shit that I dont like in any medium... if you have to make your point with a sledgehammer then you probably shouldnt bother to make the point at all.
much like he was perfect for NEO in the first matrix. all he has to do is stand around and look confused. other than that it was all stunt work (which, to his credit, he did a good job with)
not always!
I havent read very much PKD. but I did read "Do androids dream of electric sheep" because I had liked blade runner and although I knew that the two storeis were very different I thought I should at least try it out.
(Im going to get hammered for this... so much for that nice karma rating)
I realy didnt like it at all. I found the writing to be kind of childish and the story and concepts to be rather un-interesting. I didnt realy buy into the shared experience of being sisyphus and pushing a rock up a hill, it just didnt seem beliveable with regard to humaity. And frankly, I didnt see a hole lot of the social commentary that makes good Scifi actualy good.
see, its not just about the writer comming up with some weird technology, but realy the writer making commentary about humanity (or life in general) within the context of the technology that makes for realy interesting Sci-fi. At least for me, YMMV! I just didnt walk away from this book feeling any of that... I just didnt buy any of the motivations or actions that the characters took.
Perhaps Im just more of a Ray Bradbury type.
I wouldnt mind trying out some more PKD but keeping in mind my feelings about this story, perhaps you (or someone else) could recomend other stories by him that I might like. He is one of the most beloved Scifi writers around... there must be something to it.
oddly enough... although there is enough space for the 7 harddrives nceessary to get to 2.8 TB there is not enough space left for a 1.4MB floppy drive!
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The women are trying so hard to embellish that they're totally off-key
If I hear another warbaling wonder I think I will puke... I am so sick of this recent trend of female vocalists to make their voices warble, taking them way the fuck off key and making them hard to listen to... all just to mask the fact that their voices are bland and borring...
get someone with some friggin pipes, not these pathetic wannabes.
once again the slashdot crowd proves they know nothing of logarithmic scales...
did you know that your eardrum will shatter at 160 Db. so be sure not to drop 16 pins at once or you wont be able to hear anything!