I have to disagree, I'm running WinNT through a transparent proxy server and I can't get out with any of the settings. With M12, I was able to set it to direct connection and browse everything but our company stuff behind the firewall, now, I can't get out with any proxy setting ON M13 OR M12! I would think that this would be a high priority since I'm guessing many users are behind proxy firewalls. Nate
I think Gates values Balmer too much to leave him holding the bag anywhere. Gates may still be looking out for himself though, if there is a breakup, Bill can run the applications company and Balmer can run the OS company. Gates has stock in both, and they both have good leadership.
This is good news, as long as we don't get another IBM knockoff. The IBM version is exactly like the palm but a different color and label. Hopefully Apple can take the PalmOS and create a new hardware interface that is easier to use. Perhaps with some more accessibility that doesn't use the stylus. It would be great to have an "enter" button that you could thumb on the side of the unit instead of gettting your pen out to select the option you want.
Good Point. I've been hearing about a wireless internet tablet that, while it can't be used for a phone, it can browse the web without wires all over your house. It is supposed to cost around $500. How would this Lintel box compete alongside that? This will be interesting.
This could be a breakthrough if it works. If Joe Consumer can make it work it is great for LInux and takes away some of the technology misticism surrounding it. If it doesn't work for the average user, it will further the myth that Linux is only for techs. Nate
I'm not usually a big MS supporter, quite the opposite, but I fail to see the difference between MS throwing IE in with 95 and RH throwing Mozilla in, especially when RH has a financial interest in them.
Really they (RH & MS) are completely dissimilar organizations with differing morals. What! Why is that just because a company is Open Source, they are assumed to have high morals? Every company is in business to make money. Period. It would be greate if there were companies that were around just to help people and make things fun. But that's not business, that's philanthropy (sp?). I'm not saying RH is the next evil empire, but let's be careful how far we praise them.
Forgive me if I misunderstood you, are you talking about integrating the browser with the operating system? That sounds an awful lot like something that someone else we know did recently. Of course, since this is open source, everyone will play nice and do what is in the best interest of the community. These companies don't really care about the money. They're in it for the good of the community. Please people, if RedHat is courting Mozilla and Sendmail, there is a business purpose behind it. And if I were them, I'd be very careful about what get's integrated into my OS. Nate
That may be so, but the fact that the government took an active role in subverting the site makes it a much more serious act. If the ISP didn't like it, fine, he owns the machine, he can take it down. But when the FBI comes in and "nicely asks" for the ISP to take the site down, who is in control. The thought of the FBI taking down any site they think may incite people smacks of communism and repression. What is the world coming to when a website, or any form of publication, can have it's distribution cut off without any legal permission being granted. Obviously, the FBI considers itself above the law and feels that when it comes to them, there is no law. The freedom of speech that is being violated here is so blatantly obvious it pains me. This is not an artist trying to show his nude pictures of women and claim them as art, this is a simple video of what could happen. Just like any other movie such as the recent NBC "Y2K" or "Wag the Dog". What scares me the most is that they seem to have gotten away with it. Nate Baxley
A problem that has shown up time and again is that Open Source coders are not real world users. They are willing to put up with bugs and quirks. Real users won't. If you want a project to succeed, you have to get it into real users hands. It doesn't matter if all the developers put neat little handles on their page "Works Best with Mozilla!!" People won't care because they already have a browser that does what they want. It works. Nate
The screen shots that I have seen, through the mirrors, have a white background is that just because of the emulator, or would the palms actually look white? White would probably improve the readability. Nate
But, that is the main problem with OpenSource coders. They have great ideas, but the ideas do not benefit the computing community at large because the great code is leveraged out by business people such as MS and others. It takes someone like Red Hat to take the OpenSource to the masses. Of course, if all you're talking about is server software such as Apache, word of mouth and excellence is enough to catapult a piece of software into wide use by expert computer users. But when we look at Mozilla, this is a piece of software designed for the masses and the masses will use what they are handed. You have to position your product in such a way that it is used by many people and is visible to many people. With an eye towards business, you can get into strategic partnerships and create a secondary market for your product and that in turn allows you to find what the users wants and provide it to them.
As much as I hate to admit it, there has to be a business driving the OpenSource movement. As someone said earlier, everyday users will not deal with a pre-beta browser, and probably not even a beta browser. If Mozilla wants to avoid losing the main stream audience, they need to get a product out very soon. It's fine to say that they spent a year going in the wrong direction. But, come on, this is the Internet, a year is a lifetime. Mozilla people should know this better than anyone. A bunch of OpenSource heads (like us here on/.) will not be able to sustain a browser. You have to get it into the everyday users hands. I say hurah for Mozilla and I'm glad that they have high scruples and are making an excellent product, but maybe the way that MS does it where the first 2 versions suck is the way to go. Get your name out there and get something into the peoples hands. Right now, the regular user is being dirven into the arms of MS because there is no comprable alternative that they can see. It's a terible fact of life, but the stupid end users rule the market. Nate
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I have to disagree, I'm running WinNT through a transparent proxy server and I can't get out with any of the settings. With M12, I was able to set it to direct connection and browse everything but our company stuff behind the firewall, now, I can't get out with any proxy setting ON M13 OR M12! I would think that this would be a high priority since I'm guessing many users are behind proxy firewalls. Nate
Wow!! Ballmer looks like he's 10 times the size of Gates.
I think Gates values Balmer too much to leave him holding the bag anywhere. Gates may still be looking out for himself though, if there is a breakup, Bill can run the applications company and Balmer can run the OS company. Gates has stock in both, and they both have good leadership.
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That's quite an impressive list of media. Although, it's hard to have a monopoly with all that viable competition out there. Nate
This is good news, as long as we don't get another IBM knockoff. The IBM version is exactly like the palm but a different color and label. Hopefully Apple can take the PalmOS and create a new hardware interface that is easier to use. Perhaps with some more accessibility that doesn't use the stylus. It would be great to have an "enter" button that you could thumb on the side of the unit instead of gettting your pen out to select the option you want.
Nate
Good Point. I've been hearing about a wireless internet tablet that, while it can't be used for a phone, it can browse the web without wires all over your house. It is supposed to cost around $500. How would this Lintel box compete alongside that? This will be interesting.
Nate
This could be a breakthrough if it works. If Joe Consumer can make it work it is great for LInux and takes away some of the technology misticism surrounding it. If it doesn't work for the average user, it will further the myth that Linux is only for techs. Nate
I'm not usually a big MS supporter, quite the opposite, but I fail to see the difference between MS throwing IE in with 95 and RH throwing Mozilla in, especially when RH has a financial interest in them.
Really they (RH & MS) are completely dissimilar organizations with differing morals.
What! Why is that just because a company is Open Source, they are assumed to have high morals? Every company is in business to make money. Period. It would be greate if there were companies that were around just to help people and make things fun. But that's not business, that's philanthropy (sp?). I'm not saying RH is the next evil empire, but let's be careful how far we praise them.
Nate
Forgive me if I misunderstood you, are you talking about integrating the browser with the operating system? That sounds an awful lot like something that someone else we know did recently. Of course, since this is open source, everyone will play nice and do what is in the best interest of the community. These companies don't really care about the money. They're in it for the good of the community. Please people, if RedHat is courting Mozilla and Sendmail, there is a business purpose behind it. And if I were them, I'd be very careful about what get's integrated into my OS. Nate
That may be so, but the fact that the government took an active role in subverting the site makes it a much more serious act. If the ISP didn't like it, fine, he owns the machine, he can take it down. But when the FBI comes in and "nicely asks" for the ISP to take the site down, who is in control. The thought of the FBI taking down any site they think may incite people smacks of communism and repression. What is the world coming to when a website, or any form of publication, can have it's distribution cut off without any legal permission being granted. Obviously, the FBI considers itself above the law and feels that when it comes to them, there is no law. The freedom of speech that is being violated here is so blatantly obvious it pains me. This is not an artist trying to show his nude pictures of women and claim them as art, this is a simple video of what could happen. Just like any other movie such as the recent NBC "Y2K" or "Wag the Dog". What scares me the most is that they seem to have gotten away with it. Nate Baxley
A problem that has shown up time and again is that Open Source coders are not real world users. They are willing to put up with bugs and quirks. Real users won't. If you want a project to succeed, you have to get it into real users hands. It doesn't matter if all the developers put neat little handles on their page "Works Best with Mozilla!!" People won't care because they already have a browser that does what they want. It works. Nate
The screen shots that I have seen, through the mirrors, have a white background is that just because of the emulator, or would the palms actually look white? White would probably improve the readability. Nate
But, that is the main problem with OpenSource coders. They have great ideas, but the ideas do not benefit the computing community at large because the great code is leveraged out by business people such as MS and others. It takes someone like Red Hat to take the OpenSource to the masses. Of course, if all you're talking about is server software such as Apache, word of mouth and excellence is enough to catapult a piece of software into wide use by expert computer users. But when we look at Mozilla, this is a piece of software designed for the masses and the masses will use what they are handed. You have to position your product in such a way that it is used by many people and is visible to many people. With an eye towards business, you can get into strategic partnerships and create a secondary market for your product and that in turn allows you to find what the users wants and provide it to them.
As much as I hate to admit it, there has to be a business driving the OpenSource movement. As someone said earlier, everyday users will not deal with a pre-beta browser, and probably not even a beta browser. If Mozilla wants to avoid losing the main stream audience, they need to get a product out very soon. It's fine to say that they spent a year going in the wrong direction. But, come on, this is the Internet, a year is a lifetime. Mozilla people should know this better than anyone. A bunch of OpenSource heads (like us here on /.) will not be able to sustain a browser. You have to get it into the everyday users hands. I say hurah for Mozilla and I'm glad that they have high scruples and are making an excellent product, but maybe the way that MS does it where the first 2 versions suck is the way to go. Get your name out there and get something into the peoples hands. Right now, the regular user is being dirven into the arms of MS because there is no comprable alternative that they can see. It's a terible fact of life, but the stupid end users rule the market. Nate