The best way to Describe his platform is "liberty minded" Republican, He is also a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus. Http://rlc.org
He crosses lines with the Constitution party and the Libertarian party but he is not in total alignment with either. Take his stance on immigration it does not fall in either but it does fall in the Republican camp.
Still.. he is 1,000 times more libertarian than any of the other candidates, so if you generally support the ideas of liberty you should vote for him. We are not going to get a perfect Constitutional or Libertarian government overnight but Ron Paul is a step in the right direction.
The Liberty movement is a LARGE movement. Its very diverse.. You run into everyone from people who just think that they like smaller government to full breath anarchists.
This is no worse than trying to stereotype all democrats as being socialist hippies.
Like all libertarians, he advocates rights for the rich Not so, Libertarians do not believe corporations should be legal. A corporation is legal protection so people can engage is questionable business practices.. it cant exist without government. Business should not be able to get "special" protection. Libertarians also want to get rid of business regulations ESPECIALLY those that favor large business, again monopolies can also not exist without government laws. So you can see Libertarians do not favor the rich.
What good is the right to life if you can't afford food? You may work for food. I'm sure if your willing to do something for it you can easily make enough to eat. If you can't get work.. (and in a libertarian world where there is no minimum wage I don't see this as being likely.) There is always charity, something that would be MUCH more prevalent for 2 reasons.. First.. there is no government paying for the food, so there is a need for this service now. and secondly people can donate because they are no longer loosing 50% of your wealth to the government. Charities are ALWAYS more efficient and manage money better than government.
Where is liberty if all land is private, and you own none? I'm sorry but you do not have a right to land.. and.. you have none right now.. you may own a house but you don't own the earth it sits on.. so lets say you live in a libertarian world. You may rent a house, you may rent an apartment and work to BUY your own land. It is absolutely wrong to force someone to give you a place to live, and land to live on for free.. but if your willing to pay I'm sure we can work something out.
I've said it before, libertarianism provides only simple answers to complex questions Like a lot of others up here, I work in the computer industry. You want to know a tip.. if you ask someone a computer question and they give a complex answer.. 9 times out of 10, that means they do not understand it very well. However if you ask someone something difficult and they give a simple correct answer you can be sure that they fully understand it.
and libertarians will never directly answer any challenges to their belief, they will simply accuse you of hating freedom.... I'm not sure who your talking to but.. ahh.. I'm doing my best to help you understand.. I don't think you even understand what freedom is so I think its unlikely you could hate it. You do not appear to be workng towards it however.. your statement.. Libertarianism: the philosophical equivalent of shouting, "you're not the boss of me!" in response to any question. tells me that you think it is ok to use force on other people.. Is that right? Spun, instigating force on another is ALWAYS wrong. Nothing good can come from it. Force is the terrible power of government, it is the great evil of man that has caused oppression, suffering, war, theft, and slavery. Why must men rule over other men? Indeed even a 6 year old with a statement like "you're not the boss of me!" can understand the very basis and concept of liberty.. Why can't you?
Libertarians forget that freedom and responsibility go hand in hand.:: sigh:: your points are so wrong they are trying to rebut. Libertarians believe is total responsibility. For instance it is a common believe that you do not have the right to shout FIRE in a crowded theater. Most people believe that but they are WRONG. You absolutely have a right to shout FIRE in a crowded theater..and if there is a fire, it may save people.. However if there is no fire and you use your right to speak you are then RESPONSIBLE for people who may get
I think your starting to think the right way I just wanted to ask you one thing regarding this..
I'm a libertarian at the federal level because forcing my ideas on to the people of all 50 states is a bad way to get things done. I can see you understand that government law is force.. so why would you not want to use force on the entire US but you say its ok to force it on your state?
You position is reasonably good.. in the very least because people really can get in touch with their state government, its much easier to change too. I'm not just ok with using force on others.. it does not matter to me if its 200 million or 20.
I would like to add that the libertarian position on marriage is that Government should not regulate ANY marriage at all. So government does not provide licenses for marriage (and I cant see how it is any business of the governments to provide permission to a couple to wed.)..that would be pro-gay marriage by negation of laws on marriage.
Originally the first marriage license was given shortly after ending slavery, it was created for interracial marriages.. but was then applied to everyone, before this time couples in America has no such need to seek government permission. This an example of the government taking the power to do something (in this case something stupid) and then not giving it back thus causing more problems further down the road.
Yeah, death tax.. Amber Alert.. blah blah.Talk about loosing sight of the big issues.
He wants to kill the IRS! He wants to abolish the fraud that is the Federal Reserve! My god man.. you want to vote for Rudy over him because he didn't support the Amber alert system??! Maybe your a Democrat.. well you should STILL vote for Paul in the Republican primaries because if he gets the nomination then the war will really -end-.
"Oh Paul, is rated high by some Christian people so lets vote for John McWarmonger instead!"
Where is your head mang, your not going to agree with someone 100%. I disagree with Paul on immigration but I'll let that go in light of the more important topics.
They have mingled the immigration reform and the Real ID act together.. now *I* as a native need to give the government god knows what to work in this country too..
Maybe we can get CCTV cameras like in the UK and hell.. why not just put automatic gun turrets on them too for our *safety*.
It upsetting to see so many people say.. "See, what a good idea."
First off if this guy has not committed a crime, why is the FBI watching him? Where do they get the authority to do this if they have nothing on him? If they *DO* have something on him, why haven't they arrested him and charged him formally? What ever happened to Due process.
Secondary.. he has given up his privacy not willingly but under threat of imprisonment and torture in Guantanamo, where he would not get a trial to defend himself at all. This is like saying you gave the mugger your cash willingly and the gun he was pointing at you is irreverent. Like a mugger.. the government is pointing an invisible gun at this man and some of you cheer the fact that he has given up his privacy, sugesting that we all do the same?
Stupid statists, they think government is the answer to everything. so tell me.. what had your big scarey government law done about it, besides put a few kids in jail? "zOMGOZORZ! There is still spam even after we wrote some words down on paper saying you can't?!?!?"
According to my inbox it looks like Google is doing a better job than anyone else.
The libertarian in you should be more worried about what else it can do, and who else it can put in jail, and really for that matter why is it against the law to spam again? Does a law stop it? Are the ISPs unable to find a true solution? If they could they could charge a premium easily. This is the bad part about the government running such a service.. because THEY can put you directly in jail, BeSafe can not.
How bad will it have to get before people realize this post 9/11 government we are creating is little different than those we were fighting against less than 50 years ago.
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not sure how it applies to Microsoft as I don't know the back story very well but even a corporation itself could not exist without governments. I would say the laws protected Microsofts monopoly, just as they do with any other monopoly.
>> She makes more of one than your presidential candidate does though.
Oh har har.. I guess People just aren't into Liberty and Freedom.. they prefer Bush's fascism more..
I'm proud to support Paul and be against government oppression.. I'm proud to be supporting the only candidate who voted against the Patriot Act and against Real ID.
Ya know, people say that a lot.. but I haven't seen RuPaul since like 1985. Did he/she make that big of an impression on you that you think about him/her all the time?
I think your just trying to make a lame joke.. but who know.. you could be a sicko.
"Not in a post 9/11 world! Everything *COULD* be a bomb. That card board box there. That ladies handbag.. This rubber chicken in my pocket *MIGHT* be a bomb! Call the bomb squad! Scramble the aircraft! Call CNN, Soooomeooone call my barber!"
It's a done deal.. why bother asking us now. I dont trust them and I think they just want to get all these PRO letters so they can ram them at us and say "SEE you want this!"
I dont want it and if you try to give it to me you will see my answer.
You *can* boycott the cell service.. and you can boycott the internet service in some areas.. but the telco networks.. they purty much own them and there is little choice.. but you gotta do what you can.. Sprint and Cingular sure make great phones!;)
The part about you not being a bad guy.. I take that back. Sure is a lot of "stamping out" and "virtual" jails goind on, in your world. When you uhh.. creat this system of yours I asume you have someone in mind for the programing of it.. so.. you want to program this new system yourself and "stamp out" unproductive people.. etc.. etc.. Thats very nice, and all but I don't see you being diffrent than any other dictatior.
So your going to have to "stamp out" a lot of people like me because I for one wont let you do this.
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The best way to Describe his platform is "liberty minded" Republican, He is also a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus. Http://rlc.org
He crosses lines with the Constitution party and the Libertarian party but he is not in total alignment with either. Take his stance on immigration it does not fall in either but it does fall in the Republican camp.
Still.. he is 1,000 times more libertarian than any of the other candidates, so if you generally support the ideas of liberty you should vote for him. We are not going to get a perfect Constitutional or Libertarian government overnight but Ron Paul is a step in the right direction.
The Liberty movement is a LARGE movement. Its very diverse.. You run into everyone from people who just think that they like smaller government to full breath anarchists.
... I'm not sure who your talking to but.. ahh.. I'm doing my best to help you understand.. I don't think you even understand what freedom is so I think its unlikely you could hate it. You do not appear to be workng towards it however.. your statement.. Libertarianism: the philosophical equivalent of shouting, "you're not the boss of me!" in response to any question. tells me that you think it is ok to use force on other people.. Is that right? Spun, instigating force on another is ALWAYS wrong. Nothing good can come from it. Force is the terrible power of government, it is the great evil of man that has caused oppression, suffering, war, theft, and slavery. Why must men rule over other men? Indeed even a 6 year old with a statement like "you're not the boss of me!" can understand the very basis and concept of liberty.. Why can't you?
:: sigh :: your points are so wrong they are trying to rebut. Libertarians believe is total responsibility. For instance it is a common believe that you do not have the right to shout FIRE in a crowded theater. Most people believe that but they are WRONG. You absolutely have a right to shout FIRE in a crowded theater ..and if there is a fire, it may save people.. However if there is no fire and you use your right to speak you are then RESPONSIBLE for people who may get
This is no worse than trying to stereotype all democrats as being socialist hippies.
Like all libertarians, he advocates rights for the rich
Not so, Libertarians do not believe corporations should be legal. A corporation is legal protection so people can engage is questionable business practices.. it cant exist without government. Business should not be able to get "special" protection. Libertarians also want to get rid of business regulations ESPECIALLY those that favor large business, again monopolies can also not exist without government laws. So you can see Libertarians do not favor the rich.
What good is the right to life if you can't afford food?
You may work for food. I'm sure if your willing to do something for it you can easily make enough to eat. If you can't get work.. (and in a libertarian world where there is no minimum wage I don't see this as being likely.) There is always charity, something that would be MUCH more prevalent for 2 reasons.. First.. there is no government paying for the food, so there is a need for this service now. and secondly people can donate because they are no longer loosing 50% of your wealth to the government. Charities are ALWAYS more efficient and manage money better than government.
Where is liberty if all land is private, and you own none?
I'm sorry but you do not have a right to land.. and.. you have none right now.. you may own a house but you don't own the earth it sits on.. so lets say you live in a libertarian world. You may rent a house, you may rent an apartment and work to BUY your own land. It is absolutely wrong to force someone to give you a place to live, and land to live on for free.. but if your willing to pay I'm sure we can work something out.
I've said it before, libertarianism provides only simple answers to complex questions
Like a lot of others up here, I work in the computer industry. You want to know a tip.. if you ask someone a computer question and they give a complex answer.. 9 times out of 10, that means they do not understand it very well. However if you ask someone something difficult and they give a simple correct answer you can be sure that they fully understand it.
and libertarians will never directly answer any challenges to their belief, they will simply accuse you of hating freedom.
Libertarians forget that freedom and responsibility go hand in hand.
You position is reasonably good.. in the very least because people really can get in touch with their state government, its much easier to change too. I'm not just ok with using force on others.. it does not matter to me if its 200 million or 20.
what brightmidnight said.
..that would be pro-gay marriage by negation of laws on marriage.
I would like to add that the libertarian position on marriage is that Government should not regulate ANY marriage at all. So government does not provide licenses for marriage (and I cant see how it is any business of the governments to provide permission to a couple to wed.)
Originally the first marriage license was given shortly after ending slavery, it was created for interracial marriages.. but was then applied to everyone, before this time couples in America has no such need to seek government permission. This an example of the government taking the power to do something (in this case something stupid) and then not giving it back thus causing more problems further down the road.
Yeah, death tax.. Amber Alert.. blah blah.Talk about loosing sight of the big issues.
He wants to kill the IRS! He wants to abolish the fraud that is the Federal Reserve! My god man.. you want to vote for Rudy over him because he didn't support the Amber alert system??! Maybe your a Democrat.. well you should STILL vote for Paul in the Republican primaries because if he gets the nomination then the war will really -end-.
"Oh Paul, is rated high by some Christian people so lets vote for John McWarmonger instead!"
Where is your head mang, your not going to agree with someone 100%. I disagree with Paul on immigration but I'll let that go in light of the more important topics.
They have mingled the immigration reform and the Real ID act together.. now *I* as a native need to give the government god knows what to work in this country too..
Maybe we can get CCTV cameras like in the UK and hell.. why not just put automatic gun turrets on them too for our *safety*.
It upsetting to see so many people say.. "See, what a good idea."
First off if this guy has not committed a crime, why is the FBI watching him? Where do they get the authority to do this if they have nothing on him? If they *DO* have something on him, why haven't they arrested him and charged him formally? What ever happened to Due process.
Secondary.. he has given up his privacy not willingly but under threat of imprisonment and torture in Guantanamo, where he would not get a trial to defend himself at all. This is like saying you gave the mugger your cash willingly and the gun he was pointing at you is irreverent. Like a mugger.. the government is pointing an invisible gun at this man and some of you cheer the fact that he has given up his privacy, sugesting that we all do the same?
Have you people lost your mind?
Do you think there is a difference from voluntarily giving away your privacy and being forced to do so by government?
Stupid statists, they think government is the answer to everything. so tell me.. what had your big scarey government law done about it, besides put a few kids in jail? "zOMGOZORZ! There is still spam even after we wrote some words down on paper saying you can't?!?!?"
According to my inbox it looks like Google is doing a better job than anyone else.
The libertarian in you should be more worried about what else it can do, and who else it can put in jail, and really for that matter why is it against the law to spam again? Does a law stop it? Are the ISPs unable to find a true solution? If they could they could charge a premium easily. This is the bad part about the government running such a service.. because THEY can put you directly in jail, BeSafe can not.
Funny and true..
How bad will it have to get before people realize this post 9/11 government we are creating is little different than those we were fighting against less than 50 years ago.
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not sure how it applies to Microsoft as I don't know the back story very well but even a corporation itself could not exist without governments. I would say the laws protected Microsofts monopoly, just as they do with any other monopoly.
>> She makes more of one than your presidential candidate does though.
Oh har har.. I guess People just aren't into Liberty and Freedom.. they prefer Bush's fascism more..
I'm proud to support Paul and be against government oppression.. I'm proud to be supporting the only candidate who voted against the Patriot Act and against Real ID.
Ya know, people say that a lot.. but I haven't seen RuPaul since like 1985. Did he/she make that big of an impression on you that you think about him/her all the time?
I think your just trying to make a lame joke.. but who know.. you could be a sicko.
I'm not very happy with Myspace's parent company right now and their decision to censor and remove all Ron Paul bulletins.
.. http://digg.com/politics/Video_MySpace_Censoring_R on_Paul_Supporters
See the link
I think them buying anything is bad.. and really wish they didn't buy Myspace.
Haha, TRUE!
But they would just say..
"Not in a post 9/11 world! Everything *COULD* be a bomb. That card board box there. That ladies handbag.. This rubber chicken in my pocket *MIGHT* be a bomb! Call the bomb squad! Scramble the aircraft! Call CNN, Soooomeooone call my barber!"
No kidding.
This is what I'm talking about when I say government is never at fault.. no matter how badly they screw up.
Since when do we have to write to government to tell them what they CANT do.. why is there program Yes, by default.
Oh right because they control us.. not the other way around and because the 10th is gone.
You dont need government to stop IDENITY THEFT!
http://lifelock.com/ and the cost it low when you compare it to government programs.
They already passed it.
It's a done deal.. why bother asking us now. I dont trust them and I think they just want to get all these PRO letters so they can ram them at us and say "SEE you want this!"
I dont want it and if you try to give it to me you will see my answer.
You *can* boycott the cell service.. and you can boycott the internet service in some areas.. but the telco networks.. they purty much own them and there is little choice.. but you gotta do what you can.. Sprint and Cingular sure make great phones! ;)
The part about you not being a bad guy.. I take that back. Sure is a lot of "stamping out" and "virtual" jails goind on, in your world. When you uhh.. creat this system of yours I asume you have someone in mind for the programing of it.. so.. you want to program this new system yourself and "stamp out" unproductive people.. etc.. etc.. Thats very nice, and all but I don't see you being diffrent than any other dictatior.
So your going to have to "stamp out" a lot of people like me because I for one wont let you do this.
..Because only draconian laws are in the past?
We have more laws and more control now not less.
What makes you think people can overturn it? They didn't pass this to begin with.
And we would boycott them too.. if they weren't a state sponsored monopoly..