You idiot. Noam Chomsky is right and its going down because this place is a mess, and its a mess because of the government. He is often right on what's wrong with this place.. but he is quite WRONG in his socialist plans for the country.
Corporations are created to provide legal protection for people. They could not exist without government laws making them legal.. again the government is the cause for corporations ransacking the wealth of the nation.
And HITLER was elected too. Do you what percentage he got? 95.7% When you are a ruler for life you are a Dictator. It doesn't matter if you were elected.
Finally to your subject questions.. Why does the US hate democracy? Well I would say they do not.. and that's the problem. Democracy is bad. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what's for dinner. Somebody is going to loose there. In a democracy we could vote to remove the president right now, in a democracy we could vote to pick what color to paint the capitol. the US is not a democracy.. its a constructional limited representative republic.. We vote, but we do not control the government. Look it up. Besides this democracy's fail because people eventually vote themselves the treasury.. its happening now here too, we have voting ourselves unlimited government services.. worse yet there is no limit as to what government can pay for because all they do is with the flick of a few keystrokes they MAKE MORE.. when they do they.. they STEAL the money out of your bank account while you sleep with inflation.
Governments allow men to rule other men.. government are wrong and the root of all of the worst evils of all man kind.. slavery, war, theft, murder.. you name it.. its got governments stamp on it. They just say.. oh its legal to go to war.. oh its legal to steal via taxes.. we said so. its leagal so there is nothing you can do about it.. and if you try we will put you in a cage and ruin your life.
I got the same thing, I have a dry loop and my phone line was dead (without a power signal) I called them up and they wouldn't suppot me because I had Linux.
"Please open internet explorer and.." I dont have internet explorer" "what version of windows do you have" "I'm not using windows" "Are you using a Mac I can transfer you over to Mac support" "no, I'm using Linux, I also have a Solaris system here." "I'm sorry ww only support Windows" "just tell me to do what you would tell a windows user to do and then I will translate that to Linux." "I'm sorry we cant suppot Linux" "Ok, a Windows XP machiene magicaly appeared out of thin air in front of me, can we continue?" "are you using windows?" "uhhh.. yeah.. its so easy to use im in shock..... ok so I'm not *really* using windows." "We only support Windows, we cant do Linux" "Do you support your modem? Because all I want is for that thing to pull a lease, I'll take care of the rest.."
Eventually I told em..
"Ok, thats it.. give me your manager." "Ok, but they wont support Linux" "There is no problem with linux there is a problem with YOUR modem.. can't you understand that?!"..grrr..
Once I got the manager on the line he opened a support ticket and the modem pulled a lease automaticaly the next day. The power on the phone line also came on.
I recently got Verizon DSL and tried to set it up.
Verizon gives you a decent Linux based modem / wi-fi router. When verizon (finaly) got the DSL signal on and the modem was able to pull an IP from them they required me to "activate" my DSL. This is a registration process of sorts.
To do this they simply say go to activatemydsl.verizon.com -- I did this the site says it requires IE6. No problem I say and use user agent switcher in Firefox and set once I did this I recieved a misformed htm document that firefox could not read. I installed the new (and very nice) IEs4Linux packges that give IE6 on Linux. This worked to a point but failed on installing ActiveX extentions.
I have sevral systems at my house..
Linux on x86_64 Linux on i386 Linux on PPC Solaris 10 on Sparc
In order to get this running I had to install Win 2k in VMware and I discovred that it downloads an application and runs it. I coppied that application back over to the Linux install (just to see if it was possible to do the install on Linux at all) and ran it under wine.. turns out the App uses IE internaly so I copied it over to the IEs4Linux install also. This mostly worked but failed saying the router password was changed from the default. (the very first thing I did) I go back and flash the router but continued to have the same problem.:: sigh:: I go back to the Win 2k install and continue to try to install this mother.. (rather peved now) and learned that the reason they wanted me to use IE was so they could load crap-ware on my system. Their toolbar, and demo junk apps for services that cost up to an extra $14.99 for "verizon games" or some nonesence.
I guess I could have used Mol to do it also, but I only had Mac OS X 10.2.4 on disk and not 10.3 that they say they require. (Ugg Jagurar is not that old!)
What a pain in the ass that was only to give them the option of upselling me. grr..
Truth is we don't have an immigration problem.. we have a welfare problem.
What are we scared of? Why not allow anyone to come into this country? It will make us so much stronger of a nation. Immigrants wont always be poor if we give them the freedom to be successful.
Besides this we have no reason to be tracking our people in a free nation. ID just does not prevent crime. We do not live in Soviet Amerika yet.
With the Department of Fatherland Security and the FBI's illegal wiretapping, collecting of personal data in regards to phone and internet companies, Bush's statements on how he wants to track all e-mail and uploaded images I think government fraud should be on this list.
Well, they fail.. but if the people of this nation do not understand freedom.. anything that would replace it currently would be worse. Can you imagine how large our new constitution would be if we were to write it today? Can you imagine the things people would try to litigate in it?
Welcom to Soviet Amerika Comrade a great nation where we provide for all!!
WSo assuming you could get past the legislators voting based on PACs and lobbies and payola (which you can't) you'd still have to face the whole problem with the raw democratic process being flawed at its very core. Oh? We can fix this problem. The solution is simple. We get rid of them and the democratic process and for that matter the government itself and any that would replace it.
Why men feel they must use force and control other men I will never know. Initiating the use of force on others is plain wrong, it does not make it ok when you call it the "government". Using force on others is the root of all the evil in the entire history of man. Slavery, war, oppression, tyranny.. you name it.. its all force and its ALL had governments in one form or another put their stamp of approval on it.
"It's your patriotic duty citizen to allow us to steal the wealth of every man woman and child in America! YAY for the IRS!"
I might also add that the people in no way control the government because.. Where at best only 50% of the people vote at all.. it only takes 50% of those that do to win so by all BEST accounts 25% of the people get a winning vote.. if we can assume as high a number of half of them (and I seriously think that is a high estimate it) are educated on the issues and don't just vote for whatever color they think they are.. then you get 12% (or bout the population of California) of the people in this country who's vote would "in theory" matter.
But they don't because the bureaucrats rarely actually do what anyone wants.. and why should they? Nothing will happen to them if they don't.
It does not. It does not have to. You talk as though the government is some monarch sitting in a throne across the ocean taxing you every which way he pleases. The Govt is you. It is the politicians you voted for who is taxing you. I'm insulted by you saying that I am the government. They are our rulers and I am absolutely NOT the government. neither are you. I did not vote for them to impose a tax on me, I did not give them any such authority for them to rule me at all. If you did I feel sorry for you, but they imposed this upon me, and the rest of America too by the use of force. Where did they get this authority to rule other men? I don't have such authority so I don't see how any other person COULD.
Why do you want to make this about slavery.. America didn't start the practice of slavery.. America was the country that ENDED slavery.. and we did it so well that we ended it in practically the entire world.
You know, your argument doesn't hold a lot of weight.. when we were cavemen.. times were hard. In 100 years we will look back on today as being hard times too. However we can make things easier by casting off our tyrannical rulers. And the mafia we call the us government is plenty tyrannical...if you dont believe that... tell them "NO!" and see what happens to you.
The thing is you have already payed taxes on that junk of yours.. This is a way to re-tax your property twice. Actually... its 3 times because tax was paid on the materials and manufacture of that item, causing a hidden tax in the form of higher prices for it.
So unless you intend to keep a recipt for everything, and intend to risk an audit.. your going to pay twice. Hell, they may even do you a "favor" and make it automatic for you.
I think a lot of people are afraid that there might be people out their making huge profits on e-bay and that they should pay their fair share.. well the income tax is not fair its theft.. and I don't support theives in their aim to rob people.. so if you get away from the thevies.. good job. I don't support the tax at all and pay it not because I feel it is my part.. I pay it because I'm afriad of the thieves and what they will do to me if I don't.
The IRS can truely ruin a persons life.. if you dont believe that look at Joe Louis. The man gave everything to his country.. and his country took absolutly everything from him leaving him to die in poverty.
In this country, sometimes you can't even talk about the legitimacy of the income tax without being called un-American.. as if hi-way robbery has anything to do with being American.
All while the happy tax payer who "supports the IRS" (OP) is moded +4 for his "insight". People are so cowed by this government.. and I say that to mean.. like a domesticated bovine just grazing away in the field unbeknownst of its fate.
You paid much more for it actually.. You need to conceder the fact that Dell was taxed heavily to create the product in the first place.. Since Dell wishes to operate at a profit they must pass this tax on to you in the form of higher prices for their products.
Without Corprate taxes (as corprations don't really pay taxes at all) That laptop may have only cost $1000.
So by your logic the government could have made $3,2000 on it.
A sale is a sale and income is income. And theft is theft..
it doesn't matter who does it. Or in this case who taxes the same object mutable times.
The taxes that the US government should be allowed to collect are clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It demands that any such direct tax (such as a income tax) be apportioned equally to the states.. we all know that the income tax is not.. but sometime along the way they changed the rules on us.. The 16th amendment was passed that gave government this power, however look at the language of that amendment.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Basically this reads.. "We can tax any fucking thing we want and we don't have to report shit." Does this amendment belong in document that itself was designed to limit government? How does this amendment limit governments ability to lay taxes?
The income tax is unjust, it is fraud, and it is unnecessary. This country became the richest nation on earth with the ability to rival the great wealth of all the ageless wealth kingdoms of Europe all within a short 100 years.. and we did it all without the Federal Reserve OR the Income Tax.
except ultimatly, the poiticians will do what the peopel want lol, dude, where are you from? This government doesn't care what the people want. I live in Seattle.. here is how things work. The city or state starts a project, the populace demands a vote sometimes requiring 225k signatures to get on the ballot to even get the vote at all, the people deny the city or state their project, and the city does some backwards legal maneuvers and gets what they want anyhow. I call it being SafeCO Field'ed. I can give example after example.
The people don't want their officials taking bribes. Do you think there will be any recourse for this AT ALL?
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You idiot. Noam Chomsky is right and its going down because this place is a mess, and its a mess because of the government. He is often right on what's wrong with this place.. but he is quite WRONG in his socialist plans for the country.
Corporations are created to provide legal protection for people. They could not exist without government laws making them legal.. again the government is the cause for corporations ransacking the wealth of the nation.
And HITLER was elected too. Do you what percentage he got? 95.7% When you are a ruler for life you are a Dictator. It doesn't matter if you were elected.
Finally to your subject questions.. Why does the US hate democracy? Well I would say they do not.. and that's the problem. Democracy is bad. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what's for dinner. Somebody is going to loose there. In a democracy we could vote to remove the president right now, in a democracy we could vote to pick what color to paint the capitol. the US is not a democracy.. its a constructional limited representative republic.. We vote, but we do not control the government. Look it up. Besides this democracy's fail because people eventually vote themselves the treasury.. its happening now here too, we have voting ourselves unlimited government services.. worse yet there is no limit as to what government can pay for because all they do is with the flick of a few keystrokes they MAKE MORE.. when they do they.. they STEAL the money out of your bank account while you sleep with inflation.
Governments allow men to rule other men.. government are wrong and the root of all of the worst evils of all man kind.. slavery, war, theft, murder.. you name it.. its got governments stamp on it. They just say.. oh its legal to go to war.. oh its legal to steal via taxes.. we said so. its leagal so there is nothing you can do about it.. and if you try we will put you in a cage and ruin your life.
Ron Paul *is* except on two issues.
Abortion and Immigration.. that's the only thing that even make him a Republican at all and not a Libertarian.
I got the same thing, I have a dry loop and my phone line was dead (without a power signal) I called them up and they wouldn't suppot me because I had Linux.
..... ok so I'm not *really* using windows."
..grrr..
"Please open internet explorer and.."
I dont have internet explorer"
"what version of windows do you have"
"I'm not using windows"
"Are you using a Mac I can transfer you over to Mac support"
"no, I'm using Linux, I also have a Solaris system here."
"I'm sorry ww only support Windows"
"just tell me to do what you would tell a windows user to do and then I will translate that to Linux."
"I'm sorry we cant suppot Linux"
"Ok, a Windows XP machiene magicaly appeared out of thin air in front of me, can we continue?"
"are you using windows?"
"uhhh.. yeah.. its so easy to use im in shock
"We only support Windows, we cant do Linux"
"Do you support your modem? Because all I want is for that thing to pull a lease, I'll take care of the rest.."
Eventually I told em..
"Ok, thats it.. give me your manager."
"Ok, but they wont support Linux"
"There is no problem with linux there is a problem with YOUR modem.. can't you understand that?!"
Once I got the manager on the line he opened a support ticket and the modem pulled a lease automaticaly the next day. The power on the phone line also came on.
Our country is falling behind.. because of government sponsored telecom companies and the monopolies they are allowed to create.
Check this out..
:: sigh :: I go back to the Win 2k install and continue to try to install this mother.. (rather peved now) and learned that the reason they wanted me to use IE was so they could load crap-ware on my system. Their toolbar, and demo junk apps for services that cost up to an extra $14.99 for "verizon games" or some nonesence.
I recently got Verizon DSL and tried to set it up.
Verizon gives you a decent Linux based modem / wi-fi router. When verizon (finaly) got the DSL signal on and the modem was able to pull an IP from them they required me to "activate" my DSL. This is a registration process of sorts.
To do this they simply say go to activatemydsl.verizon.com -- I did this the site says it requires IE6. No problem I say and use user agent switcher in Firefox and set once I did this I recieved a misformed htm document that firefox could not read. I installed the new (and very nice) IEs4Linux packges that give IE6 on Linux. This worked to a point but failed on installing ActiveX extentions.
I have sevral systems at my house..
Linux on x86_64
Linux on i386
Linux on PPC
Solaris 10 on Sparc
In order to get this running I had to install Win 2k in VMware and I discovred that it downloads an application and runs it. I coppied that application back over to the Linux install (just to see if it was possible to do the install on Linux at all) and ran it under wine.. turns out the App uses IE internaly so I copied it over to the IEs4Linux install also. This mostly worked but failed saying the router password was changed from the default. (the very first thing I did) I go back and flash the router but continued to have the same problem.
I guess I could have used Mol to do it also, but I only had Mac OS X 10.2.4 on disk and not 10.3 that they say they require. (Ugg Jagurar is not that old!)
What a pain in the ass that was only to give them the option of upselling me. grr..
"illegal and terrorist aliens" Bro.. most of our terrorists are legal.
It's rejected on bases on the 10th amendment.
The country and liberty lovers around the world are proud of your state.
Keep fighting the police state!
Truth is we don't have an immigration problem.. we have a welfare problem.
What are we scared of? Why not allow anyone to come into this country? It will make us so much stronger of a nation. Immigrants wont always be poor if we give them the freedom to be successful.
Besides this we have no reason to be tracking our people in a free nation. ID just does not prevent crime. We do not live in Soviet Amerika yet.
Yeah, because Lincoln said if you don't follow our laws we will kill you.
Good for them!
Now Montana just needs to repeal the speed limit, the helmet and seatbelt law, create Vegas style gambling, and reduce the drinking age to 18.
All of those things are things the Federal government pressured Montana on.
With the Department of Fatherland Security and the FBI's illegal wiretapping, collecting of personal data in regards to phone and internet companies, Bush's statements on how he wants to track all e-mail and uploaded images I think government fraud should be on this list.
a strange game.
... is not to play.
the only winning move
So having all men free means we should pay an income tax???
I don't understand.
I don't think we really know what they have given them. If they present a NSL to them, they are unable to even speak about the request.
Choice is never a bad thing.. soon we will have MS Office, Google Office, and Open Office.
Well, they fail.. but if the people of this nation do not understand freedom.. anything that would replace it currently would be worse. Can you imagine how large our new constitution would be if we were to write it today? Can you imagine the things people would try to litigate in it?
Welcom to Soviet Amerika Comrade a great nation where we provide for all!!
Why men feel they must use force and control other men I will never know. Initiating the use of force on others is plain wrong, it does not make it ok when you call it the "government". Using force on others is the root of all the evil in the entire history of man. Slavery, war, oppression, tyranny.. you name it.. its all force and its ALL had governments in one form or another put their stamp of approval on it.
"It's your patriotic duty citizen to allow us to steal the wealth of every man woman and child in America! YAY for the IRS!"
Especially with Googles willingness to turn over e-mail records to The Department of Fatherland Security and the FBI.
Nicely put.
I might also add that the people in no way control the government because.. Where at best only 50% of the people vote at all.. it only takes 50% of those that do to win so by all BEST accounts 25% of the people get a winning vote.. if we can assume as high a number of half of them (and I seriously think that is a high estimate it) are educated on the issues and don't just vote for whatever color they think they are.. then you get 12% (or bout the population of California) of the people in this country who's vote would "in theory" matter.
But they don't because the bureaucrats rarely actually do what anyone wants.. and why should they? Nothing will happen to them if they don't.
Why do you want to make this about slavery.. America didn't start the practice of slavery.. America was the country that ENDED slavery.. and we did it so well that we ended it in practically the entire world.
You know, your argument doesn't hold a lot of weight.. when we were cavemen.. times were hard. In 100 years we will look back on today as being hard times too. However we can make things easier by casting off our tyrannical rulers. And the mafia we call the us government is plenty tyrannical.
The thing is you have already payed taxes on that junk of yours.. This is a way to re-tax your property twice. Actually... its 3 times because tax was paid on the materials and manufacture of that item, causing a hidden tax in the form of higher prices for it.
So unless you intend to keep a recipt for everything, and intend to risk an audit.. your going to pay twice. Hell, they may even do you a "favor" and make it automatic for you.
I think a lot of people are afraid that there might be people out their making huge profits on e-bay and that they should pay their fair share.. well the income tax is not fair its theft.. and I don't support theives in their aim to rob people.. so if you get away from the thevies.. good job. I don't support the tax at all and pay it not because I feel it is my part.. I pay it because I'm afriad of the thieves and what they will do to me if I don't.
The IRS can truely ruin a persons life.. if you dont believe that look at Joe Louis. The man gave everything to his country.. and his country took absolutly everything from him leaving him to die in poverty.
In this country, sometimes you can't even talk about the legitimacy of the income tax without being called un-American.. as if hi-way robbery has anything to do with being American.
All while the happy tax payer who "supports the IRS" (OP) is moded +4 for his "insight". People are so cowed by this government.. and I say that to mean.. like a domesticated bovine just grazing away in the field unbeknownst of its fate.
You paid much more for it actually.. You need to conceder the fact that Dell was taxed heavily to create the product in the first place.. Since Dell wishes to operate at a profit they must pass this tax on to you in the form of higher prices for their products.
Without Corprate taxes (as corprations don't really pay taxes at all) That laptop may have only cost $1000.
So by your logic the government could have made $3,2000 on it.
it doesn't matter who does it. Or in this case who taxes the same object mutable times.
The taxes that the US government should be allowed to collect are clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It demands that any such direct tax (such as a income tax) be apportioned equally to the states.. we all know that the income tax is not.. but sometime along the way they changed the rules on us.. The 16th amendment was passed that gave government this power, however look at the language of that amendment.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Basically this reads.. "We can tax any fucking thing we want and we don't have to report shit." Does this amendment belong in document that itself was designed to limit government? How does this amendment limit governments ability to lay taxes?
The income tax is unjust, it is fraud, and it is unnecessary. This country became the richest nation on earth with the ability to rival the great wealth of all the ageless wealth kingdoms of Europe all within a short 100 years.. and we did it all without the Federal Reserve OR the Income Tax.
The people don't want their officials taking bribes. Do you think there will be any recourse for this AT ALL?
Here, read this then tell me the government does what the people want.
Kelo vs New London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._New_London