Well most of them are in the US. Outsourcing has affected Indian industrial growth in a bad way. Since IT jobs make so much most civil and mechanical engineers have moved to coding and an entire generation of progress has been lost in India. Banning the H1 would probably help India's development a lot though it would personally suck for those who have to go back.
Interesting idea but I don't think it holds up because H-1B is only a temporary work visa for 3 years right? You think Indians are only geniuses for that long and then when they go back they are just like "duhhhhhhhh". 3 year prime is pretty short methinks.
Businesses are trying to figure out how to make employees more motivated. The answer is: ignorance. An operant conditioning box (aka Skinner Box) only works so long as the subject is unaware of the box. The only thing that truly motivates anyone is self interest and a belief that their efforts can achieve it. Once the person has lost the ability to believe they can achieve whatever they put their mind to, motivation plummets to 0. In America, the problem is too many "game theory" players have tricked people using psychology into believing that what they are doing has some meaning to them aka incentivization. In reality, it's all about getting someone to do something for someone else's gain and in many cases to the detriment of the person exerting the actual effort.
Thanks I meant non zero sum game. Actually the different is zero sum game means there must be one winner with all the rest losers like a sports bracket. In a non-zero sum game either everyone wins or everyone loses.
You know, you would think with all those uber intelligent STEM field pros in India they could solve such a problem. I mean that's why we want those geniuses to come over here and work in Silicon Valley.
Sadly, we don't live in a world where everyone is playing a zero sum game for the most positive outcome for the entire human race. We live in tribes that we refer to as countries and for the most part we only care about the interest of our respective tribe. Even within our countries/tribes they are further broken down into sub-tribes that are all doing the same thing. It cascades down in hierarchical fashion.
The only way to function in this type of situation is to "Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer". Sad, but true. I guarantee you that whining about it on slashdot won't make it any better. The other thing to consider is that the "system" itself has characteristics that fuels the incubator for this type of conflict. If you think it about, human civilization has never been in any other state than conflict in one form or another. I hope someone figures that problem out some day. The liberal theories of the 90's that were supposed to organically facilitate this type of change failed. Now we're back to the drawing board again.
Why would you need to suspend it when it self suspends when there is not enough demand in the economy. Are you a communist central planner? This isnt the Soviet Union
Sorry the Soviet Union communist argument doesn't hold up. The enactment of the H-1B visa program in 1990 could be argued that it is a federal level manipulation of markets. Same thing holds true. Thanks for playing, try again.
~97% of Android devices STILL have fucked-up wpa-supplicants that won't switch APs unless the AP literally kicks them off.
Yup this is a big problem. By "kicks you off" you mean lose the signal of the current AP (MAC Address) entirely forcing it to search for another AP. It's both a client and a server problem which is remarkable considering that we've been going at wireless networking for almost 20 years now. How hard is it to periodically measure the dB level of the signals and seamlessly switch to the one with the better signal?
If you can afford a 5,000 square foot home, you can afford the more advanced networking gear necessary to have wireless coverage in that same home.
Fair enough but how many of those home owners actually possess the ability to set it up? Hire a business contractor to do that for them? Most people that I know that own that type of home aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.
I hate to say this but many including myself are aware that people especially those trained in advanced sales are disingenuous. They are effectively trained sociopaths that do things with no normal human behavioral intent. They know what reciprocity is and they offer something of no value to you hoping that you will reciprocate in kind with something of value to them. It only works on people who lack the ability to meta think or are very bad at it.
Some day I fear if we keep playing these "games" we are going to arrive at a future where we have lost part of our humanity because every part of every conversation will be viewed as a game move in a game of chess. Everything will be solely about each person playing a game for objectives that are of importance to them disguising it as something it's not.
PGP has pretty much been abandoned. The companies that need to securely deliver messages do so by sending an email with a link that requires you to authenticate and then view the actual contents in a secure browser session. I find it absolutely hilarious that Slashdot has been persistent for so many years in resurrecting this topic every so often even though it's clearly dead, Jim.
AI can and probably will ultimately make the concept of human employment extinct. And we probably need to accept that fact faster than any prediction, given the speed at which technology has accelerated just in the last couple of decades.
Humans need to first solve the problem of Greed. Otherwise, the chasm that separates the AI owners and wealthy overlords from the rest of the human race will continue to grow, and they won't give a shit about the demise of the irrelevant meatsack masses.
It's funny, if I start spouting crazy shit people tell me I'm crazy and might give me two dollars.
Even more funny, claim to hear the voice of God in your head and you're enlightened in certain circles of people but claim to hear the voice of Elvis in your head telling you what to do and you're off to the insane asylum
Local network? Transferring files from my wireless devices to my computer? Streaming from my devices to my TV?
Yes, this is true. 4K streaming content will become common place at some point then followed by 8K. This will probably happen because at some point you won't be able to buy a 1080p television and then eventually not even a 4K one but you didn't even mention some of the real challenges around WIFI that until recently we haven't even a made a dent in.
Coverage area is a real problem for WIFI especially when you consider a 2000-3000 sq. ft. house let alone a 4000-5000 sq. ft. house. The conventional solution to this in an office setting is to use WIFI mesh appliances that support free roaming, however the price point for these tend to be out of reach of the average consumer and then they don't have the know-how to configure it appropriately. It's only recently that we've made a dent with consumer devices that have multiple 5ghz channels, more advanced WIFI extenders and then there's Google WIFI which I believe is a true free roaming mesh consumer grade WIFI solution. But I mean that literally just came out months ago! I also wish I would have known that was coming out otherwise I wouldn't have purchased a Netgear Nighthawk X6 with an extender.
I think this new standard might actually converge on WIFI becoming almost equivalent with wired networking. We do need this type of solution in consumer homes. Not everyone can have a home built and talk to the superintendent of the home to allow them to show up before the drywall is put in and take a spade bit and drill through headers to run your own networks drops, junction boxes, etc. I did this one time and ran Cat 5e through a home to a patch panel in my garage with a gigabit switch but not everyone can do that and not everyone buys brand new home construction. Better more reliable WIFI standards with better coverage and better support for free roaming mesh WIFI solves this problem.
Mr. Musk, this is not a new idea. In the 70's when computer technology was rapidly increasing people were talking about the "expert systems" with which decisions like loan approvals and stock trades could be automated without the need for a human being. We know what direction that technology is headed in and we know that it is going to continue to reduce the need for human workers. The problem is that the economic system is all structured around humans being required to perform labor to support themselves economically. It stands to reason that if the need for labor is on a downward trend that at some point in time there will be a tipping point whereby the current economic system will need to be modified because it won't be wholly relevant anymore. You can't just throw people in the street because they didn't meet their financial obligations because there is no means to acquire money because the robots are doing more of the work. That's the core issue. Mr. Musk please champion that transition to this new age that we are destined to arrive at. What we don't want to do is arrive at that future with most people being in poverty at no fault of their own and a few privileged people reaping all the rewards for no good reason at all.
There is a huge difference between free loaders taking something out of a system at everyone else's expense and there being a surplus of humans and a shortage of labor.
Why would you need to suspend it when it self suspends when there is not enough demand in the economy. Are you a communist central planner? This isnt the Soviet Union
Absolutely not hyperbole spinster. If American unemployment rates are high then H-1B visa in the time period only further exacerbates the unemployment problem. The fact that a blind eye was turned to this is of concern.
Perhaps Trade Union has been bastardized to mean something different today? The US Chamber of Commerce pretty much only represents corporate self interest in America and it refers to itself as a "trade union".
Is it possible? Maybe? Should we do it? Probably not, considering there are currently 7 species of bees that are on the endangered species list. We should be very careful about knowledge that can be used to affect the balance of nature.
This sounds more like an Ale whereas a lot of what we drink today is some form of Lager. A lot of today's Ales are milder (IBU) like what is described here.
I don't buy this. You could equally argue that not enough people are getting the educations they need to do these jobs because they know the jobs are going to foreign workers at cheap rates. In other words the H-1Bs could, at least in part be the cause of the "shortage" if such a thing really exists.
That is PRECISELY my point. The facts don't support a true STEM worker shortage. Back when the H-1B visa program was passed in 1990, that was the claim, that there was a shortage of STEM workers. I think when you say H-1B's could be the part of the shortage, what you must mean is that the shortage from the American worker's perspective is because less jobs available for American citizens for fair wages and working arrangements because they are going to H-1B visas because they will work more hours a week for cheaper. The ultimate problem there is that there are no GLOBAL standards for fair labor.
The other serious question is during The Great Recession 2008-2015/16 (it didn't end when the government pronounced it over) when the unemployment rates were higher than anything we had seen since The Great Depression with record numbers of college graduates, why was the H-1B visa program kept in place? Clearly there was no STEM worker shortage then. It's all a bunch of self-serving lies.
So Politicians are actually Super cool guys who had to do all the most evil and vilest things so that average Americans can feel good about themselves without staining our hands in blood.
It's like sacrificing themselves to do the necessary evil so we can all be hippies and hipsters and embrace awesome lifestyle choices!
Man they are so misunderstood! Respect!
What an incoherent jumble. Are you suggesting that Americans should be devoting themselves to propping up the rest of the world? Why isn't that ever reciprocated? I don't see any other countries that are enjoying the benefits of their protectionist policies giving anything back like China.
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Well most of them are in the US. Outsourcing has affected Indian industrial growth in a bad way. Since IT jobs make so much most civil and mechanical engineers have moved to coding and an entire generation of progress has been lost in India. Banning the H1 would probably help India's development a lot though it would personally suck for those who have to go back.
Interesting idea but I don't think it holds up because H-1B is only a temporary work visa for 3 years right? You think Indians are only geniuses for that long and then when they go back they are just like "duhhhhhhhh". 3 year prime is pretty short methinks.
Businesses are trying to figure out how to make employees more motivated. The answer is: ignorance. An operant conditioning box (aka Skinner Box) only works so long as the subject is unaware of the box. The only thing that truly motivates anyone is self interest and a belief that their efforts can achieve it. Once the person has lost the ability to believe they can achieve whatever they put their mind to, motivation plummets to 0. In America, the problem is too many "game theory" players have tricked people using psychology into believing that what they are doing has some meaning to them aka incentivization. In reality, it's all about getting someone to do something for someone else's gain and in many cases to the detriment of the person exerting the actual effort.
Thanks I meant non zero sum game. Actually the different is zero sum game means there must be one winner with all the rest losers like a sports bracket. In a non-zero sum game either everyone wins or everyone loses.
You know, you would think with all those uber intelligent STEM field pros in India they could solve such a problem. I mean that's why we want those geniuses to come over here and work in Silicon Valley.
You might want to google "Spiro Agnew".
Sadly, we don't live in a world where everyone is playing a zero sum game for the most positive outcome for the entire human race. We live in tribes that we refer to as countries and for the most part we only care about the interest of our respective tribe. Even within our countries/tribes they are further broken down into sub-tribes that are all doing the same thing. It cascades down in hierarchical fashion.
The only way to function in this type of situation is to "Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer". Sad, but true. I guarantee you that whining about it on slashdot won't make it any better. The other thing to consider is that the "system" itself has characteristics that fuels the incubator for this type of conflict. If you think it about, human civilization has never been in any other state than conflict in one form or another. I hope someone figures that problem out some day. The liberal theories of the 90's that were supposed to organically facilitate this type of change failed. Now we're back to the drawing board again.
Why would you need to suspend it when it self suspends when there is not enough demand in the economy. Are you a communist central planner? This isnt the Soviet Union
Sorry the Soviet Union communist argument doesn't hold up. The enactment of the H-1B visa program in 1990 could be argued that it is a federal level manipulation of markets. Same thing holds true. Thanks for playing, try again.
~97% of Android devices STILL have fucked-up wpa-supplicants that won't switch APs unless the AP literally kicks them off.
Yup this is a big problem. By "kicks you off" you mean lose the signal of the current AP (MAC Address) entirely forcing it to search for another AP. It's both a client and a server problem which is remarkable considering that we've been going at wireless networking for almost 20 years now. How hard is it to periodically measure the dB level of the signals and seamlessly switch to the one with the better signal?
If you can afford a 5,000 square foot home, you can afford the more advanced networking gear necessary to have wireless coverage in that same home.
Fair enough but how many of those home owners actually possess the ability to set it up? Hire a business contractor to do that for them? Most people that I know that own that type of home aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.
I hate to say this but many including myself are aware that people especially those trained in advanced sales are disingenuous. They are effectively trained sociopaths that do things with no normal human behavioral intent. They know what reciprocity is and they offer something of no value to you hoping that you will reciprocate in kind with something of value to them. It only works on people who lack the ability to meta think or are very bad at it.
Some day I fear if we keep playing these "games" we are going to arrive at a future where we have lost part of our humanity because every part of every conversation will be viewed as a game move in a game of chess. Everything will be solely about each person playing a game for objectives that are of importance to them disguising it as something it's not.
And that's why Facebook just added support for OpenPGP notifications?
Key word being "just". I'm referring to the history of PGP which spans 15-20 years at least since I've been reading slashdot.
People forget things all the time. At some point you are going to forget where or what the key is for your encrypted email, so what to do?
Use Keepass?
PGP has pretty much been abandoned. The companies that need to securely deliver messages do so by sending an email with a link that requires you to authenticate and then view the actual contents in a secure browser session. I find it absolutely hilarious that Slashdot has been persistent for so many years in resurrecting this topic every so often even though it's clearly dead, Jim.
AI can and probably will ultimately make the concept of human employment extinct. And we probably need to accept that fact faster than any prediction, given the speed at which technology has accelerated just in the last couple of decades.
Humans need to first solve the problem of Greed. Otherwise, the chasm that separates the AI owners and wealthy overlords from the rest of the human race will continue to grow, and they won't give a shit about the demise of the irrelevant meatsack masses.
That's exactly what I said up above...
Even better when you consider that an improper filter set to prevent this winds up causing seizures for everyone up in HR.
"Be back, in a bit. I have to go reboot Bob again."
Before we let him make any more decisions, must upgrade him to the Pointy Haired Boss 3.1 firmware.
It's funny, if I start spouting crazy shit people tell me I'm crazy and might give me two dollars.
Even more funny, claim to hear the voice of God in your head and you're enlightened in certain circles of people but claim to hear the voice of Elvis in your head telling you what to do and you're off to the insane asylum
Local network? Transferring files from my wireless devices to my computer? Streaming from my devices to my TV?
Yes, this is true. 4K streaming content will become common place at some point then followed by 8K. This will probably happen because at some point you won't be able to buy a 1080p television and then eventually not even a 4K one but you didn't even mention some of the real challenges around WIFI that until recently we haven't even a made a dent in.
Coverage area is a real problem for WIFI especially when you consider a 2000-3000 sq. ft. house let alone a 4000-5000 sq. ft. house. The conventional solution to this in an office setting is to use WIFI mesh appliances that support free roaming, however the price point for these tend to be out of reach of the average consumer and then they don't have the know-how to configure it appropriately. It's only recently that we've made a dent with consumer devices that have multiple 5ghz channels, more advanced WIFI extenders and then there's Google WIFI which I believe is a true free roaming mesh consumer grade WIFI solution. But I mean that literally just came out months ago! I also wish I would have known that was coming out otherwise I wouldn't have purchased a Netgear Nighthawk X6 with an extender.
I think this new standard might actually converge on WIFI becoming almost equivalent with wired networking. We do need this type of solution in consumer homes. Not everyone can have a home built and talk to the superintendent of the home to allow them to show up before the drywall is put in and take a spade bit and drill through headers to run your own networks drops, junction boxes, etc. I did this one time and ran Cat 5e through a home to a patch panel in my garage with a gigabit switch but not everyone can do that and not everyone buys brand new home construction. Better more reliable WIFI standards with better coverage and better support for free roaming mesh WIFI solves this problem.
Mr. Musk, this is not a new idea. In the 70's when computer technology was rapidly increasing people were talking about the "expert systems" with which decisions like loan approvals and stock trades could be automated without the need for a human being. We know what direction that technology is headed in and we know that it is going to continue to reduce the need for human workers. The problem is that the economic system is all structured around humans being required to perform labor to support themselves economically. It stands to reason that if the need for labor is on a downward trend that at some point in time there will be a tipping point whereby the current economic system will need to be modified because it won't be wholly relevant anymore. You can't just throw people in the street because they didn't meet their financial obligations because there is no means to acquire money because the robots are doing more of the work. That's the core issue. Mr. Musk please champion that transition to this new age that we are destined to arrive at. What we don't want to do is arrive at that future with most people being in poverty at no fault of their own and a few privileged people reaping all the rewards for no good reason at all.
There is a huge difference between free loaders taking something out of a system at everyone else's expense and there being a surplus of humans and a shortage of labor.
Why would you need to suspend it when it self suspends when there is not enough demand in the economy. Are you a communist central planner? This isnt the Soviet Union
Absolutely not hyperbole spinster. If American unemployment rates are high then H-1B visa in the time period only further exacerbates the unemployment problem. The fact that a blind eye was turned to this is of concern.
Not according to Wikipedia.
Perhaps Trade Union has been bastardized to mean something different today? The US Chamber of Commerce pretty much only represents corporate self interest in America and it refers to itself as a "trade union".
Is it possible? Maybe? Should we do it? Probably not, considering there are currently 7 species of bees that are on the endangered species list. We should be very careful about knowledge that can be used to affect the balance of nature.
This sounds more like an Ale whereas a lot of what we drink today is some form of Lager. A lot of today's Ales are milder (IBU) like what is described here.
Since Hindus don't have the practice of claiming victimhood status the way Muslims do, that approach won't work here
Oh apparently it does Trump is the uber racist, xenophobe remember? That applies equally to all "foreigners" including Hindus.
During the recession the H1 quota never got filled. It shows that the free market works
This is justification to at least suspend the program during the Great Recession if not end it altogether. Thanks for that!
I don't buy this. You could equally argue that not enough people are getting the educations they need to do these jobs because they know the jobs are going to foreign workers at cheap rates. In other words the H-1Bs could, at least in part be the cause of the "shortage" if such a thing really exists.
That is PRECISELY my point. The facts don't support a true STEM worker shortage. Back when the H-1B visa program was passed in 1990, that was the claim, that there was a shortage of STEM workers. I think when you say H-1B's could be the part of the shortage, what you must mean is that the shortage from the American worker's perspective is because less jobs available for American citizens for fair wages and working arrangements because they are going to H-1B visas because they will work more hours a week for cheaper. The ultimate problem there is that there are no GLOBAL standards for fair labor.
The other serious question is during The Great Recession 2008-2015/16 (it didn't end when the government pronounced it over) when the unemployment rates were higher than anything we had seen since The Great Depression with record numbers of college graduates, why was the H-1B visa program kept in place? Clearly there was no STEM worker shortage then. It's all a bunch of self-serving lies.
So Politicians are actually Super cool guys who had to do all the most evil and vilest things so that average Americans can feel good about themselves without staining our hands in blood.
It's like sacrificing themselves to do the necessary evil so we can all be hippies and hipsters and embrace awesome lifestyle choices!
Man they are so misunderstood! Respect!
What an incoherent jumble. Are you suggesting that Americans should be devoting themselves to propping up the rest of the world? Why isn't that ever reciprocated? I don't see any other countries that are enjoying the benefits of their protectionist policies giving anything back like China.