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Elon Musk: Humans Need To Merge With Machines Else They Will Become Irrelevant in AI Age (cnbc.com)
Billionaire Elon Musk is known for his futuristic ideas. So it didn't come as a surprise when on Monday at the World Government Summit in Dubai, he predicted that over time we will see a "closer merger of biological intelligence and digital intelligence." He added, via a CNBC report: "It's mostly about the bandwidth, the speed of the connection between your brain and the digital version of yourself, particularly output." Musk explained what he meant by saying that computers can communicate at "a trillion bits per second", while humans, whose main communication method is typing with their fingers via a mobile device, can do about 10 bits per second. In an age when AI threatens to become widespread, humans would be useless, so there's a need to merge with machines, according to Musk. "Some high bandwidth interface to the brain will be something that helps achieve a symbiosis between human and machine intelligence and maybe solves the control problem and the usefulness problem," Musk explained.
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The code I write at a solid 10 bits per second sure beats anything I've seen a computer do.
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Elon needs to go away. One minute we're all in the fucking Matrix and the next we need to "merge with machines". Pick one you fucking douche bag
then spouted his usual bullshit about things he knows zero about
you fucks keep giving him press like he's some sort of actual futurist
of course that's because these articles are bought and paid for by his pr team
which is his only for realsies asset
watch the downvote brigade come in her and send any post that doesn't lick his asshole clean to negative one
Irrelevant as corporate slaves?
When will this guy shut the fuck up with his dumbass robot-AI-simulationuniverse CRAP ?!?!?
"We are the Musks, resistance is futile."
Table-ized A.I.
I think most people accept that eventually we will have implants that both do their own AI processing as well as interface with other technology. The cell phone will be the first to be integrated.
This will be a huge problem at work as IT will no longer be able to ban games and people will sit at their desks playing games in their heads, prattling of Slashdot and Facebook, and generally screwing off, invisible to the boss.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
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Wow..these super rich types much be smoking some killer, killer shit.....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
AI can and probably will ultimately make the concept of human employment extinct. And we probably need to accept that fact faster than any prediction, given the speed at which technology has accelerated just in the last couple of decades.
Humans need to first solve the problem of Greed. Otherwise, the chasm that separates the AI owners and wealthy overlords from the rest of the human race will continue to grow, and they won't give a shit about the demise of the irrelevant meatsack masses.
Most of the comments so far have been personal attacks on Musk. I guess this is par for the low level of discourse here.
However, I'd like to see some discussion of his statement.
Would a better connection between humans and machines be beneficial?
What would be the benefits/ problems?
How could this be achieved?
Come on, folks, I have seen much better from you in the past.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
"Humans Need To Merge With Machines?" Reading the article it turns out Musk said nothing of the sort. He actually said, "we will probably see a closer merger of biological intelligence and digital intelligence."
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
Some high bandwidth interface to the brain...
Without a 100% perfection inbound firewall you're not coming anywhere near my brain interface.
Elon Musk is working on building a JC Denton.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
It's funny, if I start spouting crazy shit people tell me I'm crazy and might give me two dollars.
If you are rich and crazy then people want to give you two hundred million to try your idea.
Just so everyone is clear... I probably earn way more then you do. So let's invest in my device to detect the shadow people and destroy them.
the Jetsons, Woody Allen's Sleeper, watched Big Blue defeat Kasparov, and had continuous Internet connection since 1990. That was 30-40 years ago. Looking back when I was looking forward, from this hombre's perspective reality is insulting.
Why those that amass wealth are considered anything but dangerous, powerful con artists escapes me.
alternatively: humans only need to communicate at 10 bits, we don't need a trillion bits per second to enjoy life.
But really, isn't the trick to do less, not more? I ain't no worker-bee. I'm jealous of my pet dog sitting on the couch all day while I work at a desk. I want his life -- it's called retirement.
Productivity is the goal of business. Laziness is the goal of life. I've worked hard to be this lazy.
"Some high bandwidth interface to the brain will be something that helps achieve a symbiosis between human and machine intelligence and maybe solves the control problem and the usefulness problem,"
Once this was achieved humans could outperform self-driving vehicles......
Mr. Musk, this is not a new idea. In the 70's when computer technology was rapidly increasing people were talking about the "expert systems" with which decisions like loan approvals and stock trades could be automated without the need for a human being. We know what direction that technology is headed in and we know that it is going to continue to reduce the need for human workers. The problem is that the economic system is all structured around humans being required to perform labor to support themselves economically. It stands to reason that if the need for labor is on a downward trend that at some point in time there will be a tipping point whereby the current economic system will need to be modified because it won't be wholly relevant anymore. You can't just throw people in the street because they didn't meet their financial obligations because there is no means to acquire money because the robots are doing more of the work. That's the core issue. Mr. Musk please champion that transition to this new age that we are destined to arrive at. What we don't want to do is arrive at that future with most people being in poverty at no fault of their own and a few privileged people reaping all the rewards for no good reason at all.
There is a huge difference between free loaders taking something out of a system at everyone else's expense and there being a surplus of humans and a shortage of labor.
We'll make great pets
I didn't read the article. However even if this is bytes there's so much that is missed!
I look at a tree, recognize it and say "tree" in less than a second.
I can throw a ball against a wall and catch it before it hits the ground. Now give me a completely different size/weight ball and I can do the same (within tolerances of weight and size).
There is communication in both of those in which massive amounts of information is consumed and processed. For example the tree, 32 bits of information is relayed. However if I speak it then there is inflection, volume, direction, body language and intent that are all communicated in a short time.
Even though nothing is typed/spoken with the ball there is an output, catching the ball, that requires a tremendous amount of bandwidth utilized by a human.
Human Computer interfaces have a long way to go to catch up to these types of things; however, I think someone is raising an alarm about something that has no near term danger and just from the porn perspective will be developed as soon as is humanly possible. Think Matrix and Mouse pushing the girl in the red dress to Neo... The first in the porn industry to do that get's money from 99% of the world's men and a good portion of the world's women. Same thing happened with VHS....
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
It's not even a new idea this century..... This idea goes back to at least the 1970s in anime I saw that merged man and machine together... Hell, the 6 million dollar man merged the two together..
He is right, its just the technology is not here yet. But it will be. Once we get genetic level wireless computer interfaces that can connect to the neurons in the brain then we will be able to do stuff we have never imagined before. Voice interfaces are loud, but neural interfaces are quiet and private. Put that along with genetic engineering and HUD displays in the eyes and we will be walking up-gradable computer systems with access to information like never before. Its coming, and if you just deny it then you are out of touch with what needs to be done.
First they wanted to give us chip implants to track us for satan's army, now they want to give us robotic endoskeletons? WHAT NEXT MUSK!?
Did you not see the Matrix, or didn't you understand it?
> a symbiosis between human and machine
As long as it (she?) is Major Kusanagi (Scarlett Johansson) few would oppose to merge with her. Good business for Elon Musk and Panasonic, since those bipolar transistors required for the coveted "tsundere" behaviour have very high power consumption, they burn 2170 Li-Po cells like the vamps of 1940s Hollywood burned cigarettes.
Typing is slower than talking.
Talking is slower than thought.
But by how much? This question was relevant to designers of old pen and paper RPGs (who needed to be concerned about how much could be communicated in a combat round, with magical aids such as telepathy and other such things that the game rules allowed), but I've never seen it discussed by like, scientists.
So I googled it.
http://www.livescience.com/578...
But that seems to mostly cover the latency, not the bandwidth.
Is the bandwidth actually that important? Musk is probably using it as a standin for other things, but I really think we'd need some evidence to see that it is. Even this far into knowledge of cognition, we don't know which cognition tasks are actually difficult, versus which ones are difficult for humans. We also don't know how thoughts work in general, even if we have a pretty good idea about how some specific tasks are solved by humans.
Outgoing bandwidth seems like it might be a problem for a billionaire, or a president, or a teacher. But in general, is it really? In the time since I saw this article to when I clicked refresh, there's been quite a few responses. I've read some of them. I could read them all, given time. But the available data in this comment section will, before the discussion is archived, add up to several minutes of reading for someone who reads fast. Consideration of input bandwidth (and there, reading is much faster than typing, and I'm pretty sure it is faster than speech) seems pretty important, especially to the majority of communication which has to inform, express, and persuade rather than command and instruct.
Telling a computer what to do in little time or effort has been a pretty big push in most computing industries for years now, and somehow voice instruction ends up being lame compared to typing (despite its superior bandwidth), and giving detailed instructions, such as that needed when programming, seems to be very slow indeed when compared with more abstract communications.
So overall I disagree that output bandwidth is going to be the limiter here. There's already more discussion than you can effortlessly input on any topic, and the speed of deeper thinking seems to be pretty slow on a lot of measures anyway.
It would seem language is the limiting factor on output bandwidth, i wonder if, for instance, japanese speakers can think faster than english speakers ..
Self driving cars are due at the end of the year. Tesla will be rolling out the SAE Level 5 version of Auto Pilot then.
The code I write at a solid 10 bits per second sure beats anything I've seen a computer do.
Ahh but the future is almost here.
Bio-Modem
Humans love to be lazy. Always want someone else to do their dirty, hard work. In the end, SOME people get to live lazy and some people are still slaves to these folks. The end game on this will be far, far worse than what you saw on TV or a movie. Grovel in the spew of the rich.
At first I thought this was yet another shameless plug for Ghost in the Shell
But seriously folks, people have been talking and experimenting with this sort of stuff for a long while now.
Unfortunately we are still lacking quite a lot of the basic science to be able to do this (not just the engineering).
If progress were merely a matter of money, we would be a lot further along than we are now.
And "computers can communicate at a trillion bits per second"?
Funny, I haven't heard of Terabit networking being available yet.
AFAIK 400 Gigabit seems to be pretty much the limit with the current technology.
And even 10 Gigabit has yet to make any decent penetration into the market yet.
I have seen precisely 1 of them on the roads in NYC
I would imagine it's tough to see any kind of cars from your basement.
I don't respond to AC's.
Well if we had AI or the ability to merge with the nonexistent AI. Then I would say yes.
Anyone else notice this? Most of statistical machine intelligence is either optimisation or training neural nets. Symbolic, in the form of expert systems and Cyc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... seems to have submarined (although I saw someone from Lucid AI in Cambridge about a year ago). I'm not sure where we are with hybrids, since I'm not a specialist.
Things can play Go, Poker and Jeopardy and (this is more sinister) approve people for loans and credit cards. But they lack the huge compositional flexibility of the human mind. They lack explanatory power and (this is bad for the so-called 'financial industry' ) they often don't deal with outliers well. So we're a while from AGI yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... but the hype and distorted language is outpacing the capabilities. There may be marketing reasons for this. After all, 'our AI said no' is a lot more authoritative than 'our little program said no'.
On y va, qui mal y pense!
Great so the next big thing is that we're all gonna be voluntarily turning ourselves into remotely controlled drones.
No thanks. Its already bad enough with cellphones.
Yeah, rich people don't get a lot of reality checks from their hired help. I just wish people were better at differentiating between Hollywood and real life. I hope Elon has a computer surgically implanted in his brain to show everyone how dumb an idea it is.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
I reckon, plz give us hyperloops so I can get to work in 10 minutes. Then we'll talk about your crazy ideas.
why not just stimulate the pleasure center that the porn eventually ends up at?
... please ...
Ok, ya got lucky with PayPal, you're even somewhat smart. But you're not the second coming of Jesus, and the world does not need to hear about every little thought you fart out.
(though I still like you better than the Orange Menace.)
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
i almost torn my leg off at the knee and fractured my pelvis in a terrible motorcycle accident, I almost died, i hope i can get some bionic parts and become the first real 6 million dollar man, i am willing to donate myself to science if they promise to not make my life any more miserable than it is already
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
"This guy gets it." - Guy With Flashlight Up His Butt
. . . YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE MUSK COLLECTIVE. . . .
Really, Slashdot ? "News for Nerds", over an hour, and no Star Trek "Borg" references ??
He needs to quit his day job and write science fiction.
It's funny, if I start spouting crazy shit people tell me I'm crazy and might give me two dollars.
Even more funny, claim to hear the voice of God in your head and you're enlightened in certain circles of people but claim to hear the voice of Elvis in your head telling you what to do and you're off to the insane asylum
We'll make great pets
Self driving cars are not nuclear fusion. It's only recently that they've been claimed to be the "coming thing", and progress has been remarkably rapid.
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From the article:
"This he described as AI that is 'smarter than the smartest human on earth' and called it a 'dangerous situation'"... well Musk, then why are you embracing it as indicated here: "... the Tesla boss said the more immediate threat is how AI, particularly autonomous cars, which his own firm is developing, will displace job..."? Sure sounds hypocritical, doesn't it? Seems to be speaking out of both sides of his mouth there. Seems the classic evil tactic of incrementalism: thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.
Thesis: You identify (create) a problem.
Anti-thesis: You acknowledge that the thesis (you created) is a problem, and you offer a solution (which you also create), both of which you profit from.
Synthesis: Since you were lying the entire time, the anti-thesis never truly was the solution to the thesis; and now you have created confusion through cognitive dissonance and you've wreaked havoc and discord through two apparent "opposites" that somehow co-exist instead of truly cancelling each other, as you said they would, all the while profiting from them. In the process, you've affectively led society down to the next deeper level of evil and destroyed human love and relationships in the process for your own selfish gain.
So, in this particular case, thesis is AI, the anti-thesis to this purported "threat" (which he actual approves of and profits from -- and yes, it's true, AI is a threat!) is to merge human beings with technology, then the synthesis is getting these two supposedly discordant things to combine in society for the next cycle of evil descent. All the while, undoubtedly, he'll be making the products and services to promote both thesis and anti-thesis to profit.
"...symbiosis between human and machine intelligence and maybe solves the control problem and the usefulness problem..."
Control problem? Control of what? Or rather, who? Does he want to control people?
"It's not the first time Musk has spoken about the need for humans to evolve, but it's a constant theme of his talks on how society can deal with the disruptive threat of AI."
He thinks all of this is evolution. Does he *not* hire engineers to design his products? Are they not intelligent people? Will they not be employed to intelligently design the products and services that will merge people with tech? That's not random; that's not un-intelligent; that's a very powerful, albeit evil, form of intelligent design! Don't be fooled by Musk's lies and propaganda!! You better begin to see intelligent design for what it is if you don't want to be assimilated by the master-borg.
Finally, I speculate that the computer-human interface was already prophesied many years ago in Revelation. Perhaps this is one aspect of what is known as the "mark of the beast." Think about it: Orwellian control... to control YOU if you don't wakeup and get your "ducks-in-a-row," so to speak, before your Creator.
Get ready now or.... resistance [will be] futile!
Some people need to accept reality before augmenting it.
Years ago a manager who helped disabled people wished there could be some kind of brain implant that could help someone be smarter. I asked, like playing chess? He said yes. I told him that already exists, just give him a laptop with a chess program. All we are doing is playing with different communication interfaces.
Perhaps Elon Musk should read Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" and, more appropriate, "The Fall of Hyperion." The human-AI merger may not be all he seems to think might be.
Musk explained what he meant by saying that computers can communicate at "a trillion bits per second", while humans, whose main communication method is typing with their fingers via a mobile device, can do about 10 bits per second.
"Some high bandwidth interface to the brain will be something that helps achieve a symbiosis between human and machine intelligence and maybe solves the control problem and the usefulness problem,"
Elon is our savior building giant mind controlled mechs to fight monsters from the fourth dimensional rift.
Yep.
And Stephen Hawking, too.
Stephen Hawking warns artificial intelligence could end mankind
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
What about the horrible security problems this will likely entail?
Like, you're having fun in your thought-controlled robotic bipedal tank, and as your interface is botnetted, someone else decides to have fun and make you crash into a store front. Or :
- You get sent Goatse, tubgirl or (famous short brazilian movie) and still see it if you close or cover your eyes, and even if you try to run away from it.
- They get you to pee your pants
- They mess with your vestibular sense inputs (the human version of motion sensors) and torture you, make you feel you're falling and spinning in all directions, or try to do the minimum to make you puke and vomit all over yourself.
- They live tweet first-person pics of you jacking off
- As is described in the README.TXT file of old id software games (technological zombie soldiers get a strong release of pleasure hormones when they kill) they teach you new "tricks" as if you're a Pavlovian dog. Hopefully this is used for further trolling.
The man wants to create the borg collective.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
"I made a bunch of money selling stuff. So now I'm so special I can predict the future. Pay attention to me."
...such an interface would be a dictatorship...
Precisely zero of his "futuristic ideas" are original, as any avid reader of Science Fiction will tell you.
Solar power...old, he just came along at the right time to make money on it.
Electric cars...really, really old, like 19th century shit.
Rockets...Wernher Von Braun did all the hard work for him decades ago
Living on Mars - a mainstay of SciFi since forever
Hyperloop - yeah, variants have been all over SciFi for decades
And on AI and augmented humans, Ray Kurzweil is waaaaaaaay ahead of Musk on ideas in that realm. Kurzweil has actually invented, designed and built numerous complex machines over the years.
All Elon Musk has really done is throw his PayPal fortune around to pull Tesla out from under Martin Eberhard and hire a bunch of people to build rockets for him at SpaceX.
Which one has an opinion on future tech that's really worth listening to?
huh what? No computers communicate at a terabit per second.
Meh ... AIs will be totally worthless. They are just going to be depressed, twiddling their fingers all day. It is the stupid humans that are going to be the only motivated ones that actually do anything.
The concept of bio-integration is quite old. The part-man-part-machine being has been a common theme in popular science fiction for as long as I can remember.
So, one need not use drugs to come up with these ideas. In fact, the scifi authors who came up with these ideas probably didn't need drugs either...they just thought things through.
Seriously, this isn't that weird nor does it require that much creativity to imagine it.
And further, since humans today have machines integrated with them, it is likely that we will see more of this in the future, including and especially where our cognitive abilities are concerned. The potential benefits are just too high.
None of this should be hard to believe for anyone who has been paying attention.
The brain machine interface exists today, moron. Check it out.
The tech is primitive. But as it gets refined, the potential benefits will be far too valuable to overlook. This is a fucking great idea!
You are just one of those people who can't use the power of reason to look past the familiar.
Oblig w/ Bob & David skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTSAeFhdZU
Wow..these super rich types much be smoking some killer, killer shit.....
I'm guessing it's not all that extraordinary shit. Decent college-dorm shit is quite good enough. There's always that one guy/girl at the party who says some crazy "I wanna machine that taps into my MIND, man!" and everyone paying attention says "Oh yeah! That'd be sooooooo grrrrrreat!" as Santanna's "Black Magic Woman" starts rolling on the sound machine.
The only difference is nobody from mainstream media is picking it up and putting it out as killer clickbait, 'cause some editor thinks it's Musk and what if he's REALLY DONE IT? we HAVE to be FIRST with the SCOOP!!!
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
If, acc. Elon's earlier comments, we're living in a digital simulation, then problem solved. *dusts off hands*. NEXT!
Let me straighten you out here:
It is not the humans that need the machines to keep up.
It is the machines that need to merge with humans to evolve.
As long as man is controlling AI development, there will be no true AI.
The essential point of Musk's vision seems to be missing from the article, but I'all take a courage to state it here based on other blog posts.
Musk kind of hates AI. Based on last decades advancement of AI, theoretical potential of quantum computing etc. the doom day of machines ruling the world starts to seem one of possibilities rather than pure fictions. In fact, top AI specialists of the world already discussing for years potential risks of such developments.
Musk says: let not allow machines to rule the world, let make a synergy, simbios with computers. This is the only way, because otherwise human intelligence will loose the battle to AI.
So this is about doing BCI connection with tech, rather than allowing AI to become more supreme than human in all aspects.
Which makes lot of sense for me.
Based on what we see today with machines and software, we're all pretty aware of the fact that we don't own any of it. Especially those machines that require code to function.
Imagine your machine implant was made by Microsoft / Apple / Google / Etc who mandates that you will accept periodic software updates to keep it in " top operating condition " and in no way, shape or form would they use any telemetry data gleaned from your prosthetic for any purposes whatsoever. :|
Your implant would also probably get a mandatory backdoor by the USG to boot.
Not only no, but hell no.
It is not money that gives Elon credibility, but his list of accomplishments.
He has a track record of turning ideas into reality, so people pay attention.
He has merged with his iPhone in such a complete way that it's not clear where the kid ends and the machine begins. It's to the point where it's easier to get his attention through the machine rather than his biological audio sensors.
resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. From now on, you will service us.
Translated from Elon Musk to English.
That's a pretty dumb thing to say for a such a smart guy... given that he has provided no evidence that he has mastered AI
He's probably right, eventually taking your glasses off will be like suffering from some kind of learning disability. All text you see automatically scanned and available for perfect recall, the name of ever person you meet whispered in your ear in case you forgot, any equation instantly solved... And an unquenchable thirst for Pepsi, an uncontrollable urge to buy a Tesla.
It's already sort of the case. Most of modern students are incapable of doing anything if they don't have facebook to ask elder friends for what to search on google. And then they have an unquenchable thirst for Pepsi. Conclusion, you don't need a brain interface to sell crap and render people useless.
There is so much bullshit with this. Modern students still learn how to use a library. I know, I see batches of students coming with their teachers all the time to learn how (just like old times.) All colleges make students learn how to use them (just like in old times), etc, etc.
In reality, the ability to search online has made students (and people in general) far more efficient at retrieving information. Obviously, this also has the downside that it makes it easy to plagiarize. But that comes with every technology. You get what you put in, and you put in according to what kind of person you are.
Case in point: my daughter who is in second grade now knows how to use google voice search to check for spelling of words she doesn't know. Then she cross-checks it with her dictionary in English and Japanese (since she is bilingual, and soon to be trilingual if everything goes according plan.)
She has become more efficient at writing her homework reports (while learning how to spell faster) without inducing cheating or sloppy work. It has reduced her frustration while helping her focus on the topics she needs to write. This, at 2nd grade.
This type of efficiency increases a lot more for older students and adults.
Pretending that people now are useless because they leverage electronic searches and social media is like pretending farmers today are useless for using tractors instead of hand-held plows.
In other words, this line of reasoning is both simplistic and stupid.
stupid filter
You do know that this is the experiments where 'always mount a scratch monkey' came from right?
Is all of a sudden a 'scientist' !
Wow isn't that fucking crazy? I should go invent some retarded app and then magically christen myself as GOD who knows exactly how human beings should merge with machines, so I don't get "left behind" by this stupid n_igger who needs me to generate more billions for his bank account.
Not only that, but"news networks" will spread my ideas like I am GOD , when in fact I have absolutely no fucking experience in anything but writing a paypal application.
FTFY Elon, you fucking fagot
Prosthetics for connectivity are one thing but don't let them modify your DNA.
Barring a full brain scan that can be run as a human being we may not have other options. Although maybe that would be the best first step?
TFA says a mobile device inputs at 10 bps. On a keyboard, most people can learn to type at 50 WPM. That's 50*5 characters per word*7 bits per character/60, or just under 30 bps.
It's an ancient philosophy; poor people are crazy - rich people are eccentric.
hmm, so that explain Musk's oddly hued skin and unblinking stare.
...I just followed a link that was posted in one of the comments, and there was a full screen video advertisement that appeared before it sent me to the linked page. That was messed up. I don't know if it was slashdot or if it was the link. I clicked back to get back to slashdot, and clicked the link again. This time no ad so I'm not sure. All I can say is if Slashdot has started integrating full screen ads in an attempt to generate revenue I will leave and never come back. Do You Hear Me A-Hole Dice Execs! I am sure that many will follow if full screen ads are on the menu! You should have never bought Slashdot trying to monetize it as this site has never been about that, at least not till it sold. I've been teetering about leaving anyway as half the crap on here has nothing to do with things that matter to Nerds anymore anyway, but full-screen ads will push me over the edge.
I, for one had no idea. Cool anecdote!
The meaning is based upon the use in the 1970s of a scratch tape or other storage device, which was available for temporary use, to be loaded in place of other tapes whose valuable contents might be damaged by the operation to be performed. If a problem occurred, it would be the scratch tape that was damaged rather than the more valuable tape that had been removed.
The phrase "always mount a scratch monkey" originated from two tales by technicians about maintenance that was performed on computer equipment. The technicians were unaware that the computer was connected to five laboratory monkeys, and the routine maintenance procedures caused the death of three of the monkeys
-wikipedia
People only humour him because his record as an entrepreneur is top notch, but his reputation as a futurist is balls. You might was well read a Star Trek wiki for ideas.
The man wants to create the borg collective.
I think Elon is regurgitating, and perhaps adding a little "bandwidth" to the singularity that Yuval Harari wrote about in "Homo Deus": a thought collective - global AI interface. Only Yuval thinks the rich may be genetically modifying themselves too, so they really will be different from you and me. Oh, and there may be competing "thought-AI-merge" collectives.
My take on all this: When Elon says that AI threatens to make humans useless, I see a metaphorical monster. When he says there's a need to merge with machines, I see another proverbial monster. Imagine such monsters from a collective super id, on their way to eliminate the competition, annihilating the remains of the sapien hoi polloi. Let us prey now, least we become prey. Its the dawn of another age.
Given the fact everything is built to serve humanity.
But its the context where humans fit in that is the tricky part.
Which of his accomplishments was his own idea, or at the very least the first of its kind? Rockets - we've had those for decades. Electric cars - we've had those for decades. Solar panels - we've had those for decades.
Those things make it to mass availability today NOT because of Musk, but because they are finally affordable enough to become commercially viable at a large scale. The only think Musk does it hyping stuff and mooching on tax payer money.
Pay attention? No thanks!
He must have read Corinne Whitaker's book, The Quasi's : https://www.amazon.com/Quasis-.... I know because I wrote it.
I hope Elon has a computer surgically implanted in his brain to show everyone how dumb an idea it is.
I don't think it's that dumb. Imagine if instead of having to manually perform math in your head, you had your result just as soon as you could mentally build the function; no need to pull out a piece of paper or type in LaTex, and you understand the entire process, even if your biological brain parts don't (you don't mentally understand how your biological brain parts work anyways, so what's the difference?) Or suppose you wanted to build a list of objects algorithmically, and instead of needing to open up your IDE and start writing code, you could accurately visualize the result near instantaneously. That would be pretty neat, and allow you to become more productive; probably even moreso than any AI.
Something like this may come, though probably not within our lifetimes...unless it's for the purpose of extending them. Even if we solve things like aging, cancer, etc, the barrier will inevitably be how to keep your brain working for more than one natural lifespan, so we'll need to conquer not only how it works, but also develop a technology solution for extending our memories.
So indeed, what Musk suggests may be inevitable, unless skynet beats us to the punch.
I'd sign up.
What?!? You're a fucking moron.
He middle manned the banks with fucking paypal you ignoramus. THIS gave him leverage to build the deathstar.
Fucking joke aren't ya?
Elon Musk has to stay "relevant" for the sake of his empire. He does this these days mostly via tweets, a free fucking platform.
So he has to be a certain type of reactor to the public, and he would be getting some top hired help (Just like Trump) to act and say things a certain way based on "percentages"
The joke here is he is starring down the relevancy barrel and returning a not statement for all you dumb fucks to lap up.
The guy is a twat.
Apparently you miss one very important word in my sarcastic post: 'most'. That and the fact it was sarcastic like the previous comment.
Some student are doing just fine, like your daughter, because they got caring parents that gave them a good basic education and could build up from there. They even tend to do better thanks to the effectiveness of current technology. Good for them.
Most students, however, are just plain disastrous. They'll never get bilingual and trilingual is not even considered. For most of the younger people, technology is not an aiding tool, it's a replacing tool. Which means that they don't use the tool the help them doing better (more efficient, more correct), but they use the tool to do something they are completely incapable of doing without it. They don't even know that they are not capable of doing those things.
What online search and social media have done is widen the gap between the good and the ugly. People that were on top are now on a higher top, people that were at the bottom are now at a deeper bottom, and they account for the majority. We believed technology would allow for a cheap mass education and that rapidly we would be in a society of geniuses. Turns out it doesn't work that way, and you can't solve a social problem with a technical solution (that never worked). Because nobody wanted to pay high enough taxes to have a correct education system, we now have a mass of incompetent dudes that don't even realize they're incompetent but still have high expectations of what their job (or better, salary) should be because they're doing college. You have the illusion they're doing fine, but it's technology that's doing fine. With growing automation, they'll be rapidly completely out of the business.
Of course it's not as black and white as I'm putting it here, but you get the idea.
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We need artificial wireless neurons. Not a lot, just enough to let the brain know that stored information can be accessed via these neurons. Let the neurons pull data from the megamind AI hadoop deep thought big data servers, and voila, humans now know that religion is a hoax, jet fuel can't melt steel beams and 1+1 = 2. Then we can focus on social education instead of victorian education, and make this shit society of ours a bit better to live in.
But this tech needs to be available to anyone, not just Americans and friends. We don't need an even greater divide between ignoramuses and everyone else.
Good luck with that. I can't imagine any problems would crop up, because they never do in the movies. So it must be good. Really though, why is it so hard to use a computer? Why do you need that in you head, instead of in front of your eyes? I see only downsides.
Keeping your brain working longer will take better medicine and biology, not implantable computers. It's called health. Try it some time.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
So it must be good. Really though, why is it so hard to use a computer?
Computers require manual entry.
Keeping your brain working longer will take better medicine and biology, not implantable computers. It's called health. Try it some time.
That lasts just over a century tops; I'm talking about longer than that. Your brain has a finite store of memories as well.
No, you have your hard drive in your computer, it stores all your information. What makes you think that damaging brain tissue with a computer implant will make the remaining brain cells live longer? That makes no sense whatsoever (I am a neuroscientist by trade). Neurons are postmitotic, except for some cells that populate the olfactory bulbs and hippocampus. Cells can't live forever, but if you did want to make them live longer you would figure out how to improve protein synthesis and cellular waste removal in the brain. A key would be to prevent ER stress associated with protein misfolding. Those are all medical/biological advancements, not computer implants.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
It is not money that gives Elon credibility, but his list of accomplishments.
He has a track record of turning ideas into reality, so people pay attention.
Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
Musk has had success (according to certain metrics) with some ideas. He has a lot of ideas. Attributing success to some of them after the fact says nothing about the potential of others.
And then there's the question of originality. How this latest babble is newsworthy is beyond me - it's been an SF cliche for decades. The earliest that I can think of off the top of my head is Bester's The Computer Connection, which is 40-odd years old, but the conceit has roots at least as far back as Smith's "Scanners Live in Vain" (1950).