It's a little hard to have supply ships in space. There is no way to just wait somewhere and rendezvous. If you do station a resupply ship somewhere, then the ship that has people on it has to slow down and stop (or at least slow down) to transfer goods and that wastes all that momentum you built up to get you to Mars, wastes fuel, wastes time, etc. Instead of slowing down and speeding back up again (both would take lots of energy), you just carry supplies with you.
The only resupply that makes sense is to meet up with something in orbit of Mars or on the surface. Hooking up with something along the way just isn't practical.
Electronics equipment, when it comes down to it, is nothing but a resistive heater.
It does no real work (as in lifting a load, moving a load, etc). All that electricity just turns into heat -- Heat that in the summer needs to be removed from the system and moved outside which adds an additional energy tax for computers running where air conditioning is required to keep the temperature from going too high.
It's not really a rebuttal. It's stating the (fairly) obvious.
What I meant was that the heat generated by the computers is not having to be removed by the air conditioning to keep the house cool. The computer's waste heat - even if it came from a high-grade energy source - is at least contributing to something I would have to do anyway - heat the house.
Sure, using off-peak (cheaper) energy to "charge" some storage medium and then recover that heat energy during the day is a great idea. I wish we did more of that over here. I've also seen air conditioning concepts that cool a material at night and then let that absorb heat during the day. Same thing.
The waste heat from electronics, however, is completely equivalent to heating if someone is using electricity to heat their home. All electronics equipment really is are just various sizes of resistive heaters.
Is it equivalent to natural gas heating or geothermal heating? Nope. I didn't say it was. I only said that the waste heat contributes to the heating of the house and does not require additional energy to gather it up and move it outside like it does during the summer.
I have four beefy computers running BOINC on multi-core CPUs. Two run water cooling. All that heat needs to be carried away from the CPUs by the water cooling systems and for all of them, then needs to be taken outside by the air conditioning.
Call bullshit all you want. I went a couple of months last summer without running my computers and my bill dropped by some $30-40 dollars. Maybe there were some cooler days during that time that also added to lowering my bill.
I did not do an exhaustive audit of where the power went. Sorry if that confuses you. This is strictly anecdotal evidence from real-world experience. It was not a carefully-controlled experiment.
But my electricity bill took a big dive when my computers were not up and running continuously.
For me it's about a $30-$40/month bump when I run BOINC. Granted it is on multiple computers but that also includes the extra air conditioning to keep the place cool. At least during the winter they all act like heaters - something I would be doing anyway.
What is interesting is to plug your computer into one of the Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor devices and you can measure the energy usage change directly (input the electricity cost and it can show you how fast you're spending money too) - and applications like BOINC (and even screensavers) do indeed make a significant difference. It's pretty much the same as watching CPU core temperatures with a load and without.
But the user gets hit multiple times when their computer works hard. They get to pay for the extra electricity, in warmer seasons they also get to pay for extra cooling, and if the extra load runs CPU core temperatures up too high, they can also see increased failure rates in their CPUs over what they would otherwise see with their normal usage habits.
I agree that it is a big deal. I know my running BOINC on multiple computers adds significantly to my home electric bill. It's my choice to do that. But for a company to not make it crystal clear they are doing that behind your back is a bad thing. Digsby apparently publicized the research module on their web page blog and mentioned it in the click-through license, but something like that ought to be clearly spelled out in no uncertain terms.
If you look around on the Microsoft website, you can find their partner advertising stuff - nice high-resolution vector images of the "Designed for xxxxx" graphics that are perfect for printing on large self-adhesive labels in full color and then sticking to whatever you want.;-)
The reason that a lot of people hate Microsoft is how they achieved their market position - through theft, intimidation, monopolistic practices, misrepresentation, and about every bad business practice ever known.
They tied up innovative companies in court, stole their code, and forced them into bankruptcy or into sales of technology at bargain prices. The raised prices on anyone who dared to offer competing products. They intentionally interwove IE with Windows forcing millions into complete system rebuilds when all they wanted to do was run a competing browser.
They lied, cheated, stole, and always put their profit margins above customer's needs or welfare.
Microsoft is a dirty company. They stifled innovation to minimize competition. The ONLY thing that has forced them into more fair competition was legal action all over the world and massive fines for their actions.
Linus saying that we should embrace them for their contributions is like hiring rapists and child molesters to work in your home with your children because they might be able to do a good paint job.
Microsoft deserves every bit of hate and ill will that comes their way. I know I personally always recommend consumers try Linux and pass out live CDs so people can see what is available for free. And I am proud of every penny I keep out of Microsoft's pockets.
Linus may be in some political position where he has to deal with the devil, but I never will buy a Microsoft product again. Never. And I will encourage others to explore the options to Microsoft.
They are a horrible and morally bankrupt company. Gates and Balmer put the robber barons of the 1800s to shame.
have you thought about the posibility that when robots do all the jobs that no one wants to do, productivity might increase by enough to allow all the people to live comfortably.
Sure, it might happen, but listen for the deafening roar when people line up to decry such a plan as taking care of the lazy and non-productive.
I come to bury Vista, not to praise it;
The evil that Gates does lives after him,
The BSOD is oft interred with Windows' bones,
So let it be with Vista...
Why does this guy think people will miss Vista? Because he expects Windows 7 to piss people off worse than Vista?
The guy sounds like a jilted ex - "You'll miss me when I'm gone!"
News flash Microsoft - there's a bunch of us that won't miss you if the whole company folds, let alone you phasing out a product that was nothing but an interim money grab to please your stockholders while defrauding your customers.
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It's a little hard to have supply ships in space. There is no way to just wait somewhere and rendezvous. If you do station a resupply ship somewhere, then the ship that has people on it has to slow down and stop (or at least slow down) to transfer goods and that wastes all that momentum you built up to get you to Mars, wastes fuel, wastes time, etc. Instead of slowing down and speeding back up again (both would take lots of energy), you just carry supplies with you.
The only resupply that makes sense is to meet up with something in orbit of Mars or on the surface. Hooking up with something along the way just isn't practical.
It's even worse than that - each way is between 4 and 21 minutes depending on the relative positions.
It could be as short as 8 minutes for a ping but that's absolute best case and can be as bad as 42 minutes to ping.
You forgot management...
Oh damn, but that means I have to read logs...
Naaahhh, nobody would ever suspect "Passwd#3".
;-)
What computer is this on? I'd like to pen test it...
Electronics equipment, when it comes down to it, is nothing but a resistive heater.
It does no real work (as in lifting a load, moving a load, etc). All that electricity just turns into heat -- Heat that in the summer needs to be removed from the system and moved outside which adds an additional energy tax for computers running where air conditioning is required to keep the temperature from going too high.
It's not really a rebuttal. It's stating the (fairly) obvious.
What I meant was that the heat generated by the computers is not having to be removed by the air conditioning to keep the house cool. The computer's waste heat - even if it came from a high-grade energy source - is at least contributing to something I would have to do anyway - heat the house.
Sure, using off-peak (cheaper) energy to "charge" some storage medium and then recover that heat energy during the day is a great idea. I wish we did more of that over here. I've also seen air conditioning concepts that cool a material at night and then let that absorb heat during the day. Same thing.
The waste heat from electronics, however, is completely equivalent to heating if someone is using electricity to heat their home. All electronics equipment really is are just various sizes of resistive heaters.
Is it equivalent to natural gas heating or geothermal heating? Nope. I didn't say it was. I only said that the waste heat contributes to the heating of the house and does not require additional energy to gather it up and move it outside like it does during the summer.
And it is funny you call bullshit anonymously.
I have four beefy computers running BOINC on multi-core CPUs. Two run water cooling. All that heat needs to be carried away from the CPUs by the water cooling systems and for all of them, then needs to be taken outside by the air conditioning.
Call bullshit all you want. I went a couple of months last summer without running my computers and my bill dropped by some $30-40 dollars. Maybe there were some cooler days during that time that also added to lowering my bill.
I did not do an exhaustive audit of where the power went. Sorry if that confuses you. This is strictly anecdotal evidence from real-world experience. It was not a carefully-controlled experiment.
But my electricity bill took a big dive when my computers were not up and running continuously.
I call asshat on your post.
For me it's about a $30-$40/month bump when I run BOINC. Granted it is on multiple computers but that also includes the extra air conditioning to keep the place cool. At least during the winter they all act like heaters - something I would be doing anyway.
What is interesting is to plug your computer into one of the Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor devices and you can measure the energy usage change directly (input the electricity cost and it can show you how fast you're spending money too) - and applications like BOINC (and even screensavers) do indeed make a significant difference. It's pretty much the same as watching CPU core temperatures with a load and without.
But the user gets hit multiple times when their computer works hard. They get to pay for the extra electricity, in warmer seasons they also get to pay for extra cooling, and if the extra load runs CPU core temperatures up too high, they can also see increased failure rates in their CPUs over what they would otherwise see with their normal usage habits.
I agree that it is a big deal. I know my running BOINC on multiple computers adds significantly to my home electric bill. It's my choice to do that. But for a company to not make it crystal clear they are doing that behind your back is a bad thing. Digsby apparently publicized the research module on their web page blog and mentioned it in the click-through license, but something like that ought to be clearly spelled out in no uncertain terms.
And would do it again if I still used them as an ISP.
I can't believe people still put up with this kind of behavior.
One part of IT that doesn't seem to be suffering as much if at all is security.
Wouldn't that apply to bottomless stewards as well? ;-)
If you look around on the Microsoft website, you can find their partner advertising stuff - nice high-resolution vector images of the "Designed for xxxxx" graphics that are perfect for printing on large self-adhesive labels in full color and then sticking to whatever you want. ;-)
it's no skin off your ass to keep the OS.
It may be no skin, but it is apparently $65.
He did what is right for him. As others have pointed out more generically, why should he subsidize your Windows use?
Did he tell you to refuse the MS license and to reclaim your fee? I didn't see it.
It's more fun to stick them on office trash cans!
Really, give the guy a peace.
Oh, Frederick...
If only there was some way I could relieve this torture you are going through.
If there was some way I could help to relieve the tension.
If there was just some way I could give you a little peace....
If I had mod points and could, I would have given you all of them. One of the most insightful posts in this topic.
Some people have very short memories.
The reason that a lot of people hate Microsoft is how they achieved their market position - through theft, intimidation, monopolistic practices, misrepresentation, and about every bad business practice ever known.
They tied up innovative companies in court, stole their code, and forced them into bankruptcy or into sales of technology at bargain prices. The raised prices on anyone who dared to offer competing products. They intentionally interwove IE with Windows forcing millions into complete system rebuilds when all they wanted to do was run a competing browser.
They lied, cheated, stole, and always put their profit margins above customer's needs or welfare.
Microsoft is a dirty company. They stifled innovation to minimize competition. The ONLY thing that has forced them into more fair competition was legal action all over the world and massive fines for their actions.
Linus saying that we should embrace them for their contributions is like hiring rapists and child molesters to work in your home with your children because they might be able to do a good paint job.
Microsoft deserves every bit of hate and ill will that comes their way. I know I personally always recommend consumers try Linux and pass out live CDs so people can see what is available for free. And I am proud of every penny I keep out of Microsoft's pockets.
Linus may be in some political position where he has to deal with the devil, but I never will buy a Microsoft product again. Never. And I will encourage others to explore the options to Microsoft.
They are a horrible and morally bankrupt company. Gates and Balmer put the robber barons of the 1800s to shame.
have you thought about the posibility that when robots do all the jobs that no one wants to do, productivity might increase by enough to allow all the people to live comfortably. Sure, it might happen, but listen for the deafening roar when people line up to decry such a plan as taking care of the lazy and non-productive.
But we could retrain them! Educate them!
And that is happening how much now?
And that is why the paranoid fantasy of a world run by Lesbian Rapist Robots will never occur.
Damn. I was so hoping...
There might be a reason guys need a towel in the bathrooms he frequents... ;-)
I come to bury Vista, not to praise it; ...
The evil that Gates does lives after him,
The BSOD is oft interred with Windows' bones,
So let it be with Vista
No government will have to strong-arm Apple to give it a back door into the iPhone operating system. ;-)
I know security can be a minefield but for Apple to leave a hole this big is pretty inexcusable.
Why does this guy think people will miss Vista? Because he expects Windows 7 to piss people off worse than Vista?
The guy sounds like a jilted ex - "You'll miss me when I'm gone!"
News flash Microsoft - there's a bunch of us that won't miss you if the whole company folds, let alone you phasing out a product that was nothing but an interim money grab to please your stockholders while defrauding your customers.