Because even well-meaning people are not capable of being completely responsible for these abuses if they are not properly trained or aware of how these things occur.
No one is responsible for what other people do without their knowldge and consent. Blaming the user for network security and software bugs is sorry. Telling people not to share their passwords and using that as a means of transfering blame is a cop-out. There should not be a way for someone to get at company information simply by talking to an employee over the phone or through email sniffing. Information that should be gaurded needs to be gaurded and employees who use the tools their employers give them are not responsible when those tools fail them. That's why I was disgusted with the way things were actually done.
Your test is a bad idea. It is predicated on responsibility that should not be born by the employee. The very fact that the test might be useful shows that there are huge holes in data security. A company that displaces blame like that will invariably use your test data to fire competent employees when things get tight.
you say You don't understand much about free markets or free societies, do you?
Are you surprised that there's a constant arms race between those seeking to regulate "fairly" and those seeking to preserve their advantage?
No, I understand freedom. If it were not for bogus software patents and outrageous copyright abuse, fostered in part by Mr. Gates, M$ would be nothing today. There is no such thing as "fair" regulation, there can only be the prevention of criminal abuse if we are free.
Hey, 1984 you are a funny guy. Now what were you saying about how Bill Gates likes to run things? Oh yeah, kinda limited and extreemly controling? But wait, you are 1984, you should like DRM and the one Big Operating SystemS (BOSS).
I kind of like his page as it reflects his company. He sits serenely over big hoard of someone else's 5 watt ideas, most of which do not work. Ah the life, bribing India, buying companies to put them out of business, cutting off air supplies, knifing babies, and telling us all that sharing software is evil bad horrible. Such benevolence, that royal purple couch is perfect.
Zawinski seems to think his comments were taken out of context too, but he's not so graceful about it. Check this out:
Apparently the fact that Paul Festa linked here from his CNET article is going to reduce my Livejournal to the unadulterated depths of uselessness that the Slashdot forums have pioneered, so I guess I'll just turn off comments until the newbie shitstorm blows on by.
I'm not interested in your opinion. I'm not interested in explaining to you how you've completely missed the point of my post. I just don't care.
Thank you, drive through.
Someone else must have written that, as it looks like the kind of thing Slashdot trolls write, you know, "Slazdot sucks!" and it makes him look like an arogent shit. That's not the way I imagine someone who could found a huge project like Mozilla and organize all of the people who worked on it. If Mozilla is not targeted at "newbies", who is it for?
Wait a minute, I think I see it - the same people dumping troll posts on Slashdot also work for ZDnet. M$ whoring does not get lower than that - abuse of all possible contenders. Note that the article does not say anything good about Safari or KDE, it just heaps abuse on Mozilla. Up yours, ZDnet, Mozilla rocks so hard it even makes your site bearble by turning off all the adverts and pop ups.
The whole point of the article, by those M$ whores at ZDnet, is to say that Mozilla sucks. What total crap. Mozilla rocks. Tabbs, anti-popup, and yes it is fast, generally quicker than IE on Windoze 2000 because it does not have to handle so much advert garbage and spyware. Konquror is nice too and I'm happy that Apple is going to use their work.
you say, This does not in any way forces certain signed OS to be booted or anything like this.... you can use it for signature checking your executables against troyaned versions
I say the whole chip is a trojan. Witness the "hidden" stuff on the site:
The new security technologies include secure hidden storage of confidential information...
So it's got stuff you can't see or write to, but others can. That makes others root and you are not.
Or I could simply publish an eBook under the context of secure DRM. If the book is successful, then I've got some capital to work with in order to bring the book to the bookshelf.
This is Digital Rights Denial, implimented at the hardware level. You will not be able to publish in the new format, only a few existing publishers get they keys. They will continue to have all the power they enjoy under a dead tree economy without any of the costs. You will loose the ability to make any kind of publication at all, including paper, and will recieve even less that you might currently.
... so I'd better go screw myself, eh?
Don't waste your effort, many dedicated people are working hard to screw you and everyone else. Just sit back and relax.
Perhaps this is the time when we should take into consideration buying processors from the Chinese government
Yeah, we all know the Chinese would never stoop to censorship or other Digital Rights Denial. Give me a break, Commie talk about the evils of IP is self serving at best.
Basicly the RIAA are going to stop lobying for imposed DRM
Right, there's a trusted source of information. I goes like this:
RIAA: Look Mr. Tech, I've used my vast propaganda power to push "trusted computing" and could make horrible laws. If you just give me what I want on your terms I won't have to beat you with legislation.
Mr. Tech: Ahhh! I give up, your monopoly on Britinay Spears and control of Radio in general are too powerful to resist. -Asside: If we do it our way, we can squeeze everyone for money! If things are regulated we won't make nearly as much.
RIAA: Great, we thought you would see it our way. -Asside: sucker once you start abusing everyone they will scream for government assistance and we own those bitches.
It looked like d128 was in Egypt, as that's where the principle people involved with it are. Interland does not look like the host. Netcraft says d128 is running on linux and interland is a M$ shop but that's my bad, as:
willhill@hesiod:~$ ping www.d128.com PING d128.com (64.227.2.228): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=57.8 ms 64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=39.6 ms 64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=42.5 ms
Why bother? Just give everyone a password and make them responsible for any abuse of the system committed in their name.
You think this is a joke, but that's what the last place I worked for did. They thought of it as "personal responsibility". No training, nothing useful. They ran M$ for everything server to desktop, then made it so they could blame someone when things were broken into, complete with an electronic signature. What else do you expect from a M$ shop? You "training" efforts there would just end up as another way to "renew" or fire people.
Why be amazed at the lack of spam? That's the way you would make a web site, right? What's amazing is that this dude in Bum#@!$ Egypt can get nice service like that and, ta-da, run a web site, where most people in the US have to beg their ISP or Tripod or some other advert hole for 10 big megs of space. Pay once to get on the toll road then run to CandadaISP or some such to get hosted. What's amazing is that my ISP should forbid me to use my cable modem to serve. If I were to serve, it might get in the way of someone else's adverts, what a sin. OK OK, enough of my whining.
Hey, Snake, did you know that childlessness is hereditary? That's right, if your parents never had children, there's a good chance you never will either.
It's called income tax and everyone pays it, including your ISP, and it does pay for infrasturcture and civil defense. Many states also have income taxes.
The federal government would be happy to charge spammers a bulk rate for email delivery, and you about ten times as much. Spam should be outlawed and email needs no taxing. You govenment's greed is never to your advantage and must be checked at each election.
You wish to..be able to, say, install my own set of public keys in the BIOS so that I can have a system that will only boot the software that I have signed?
I'm missing something, what are you after? Why not just use the bios password feature? This would prevent the causual attacker from say booting off a floppy. If someone else already has your machine physically, they can do anything they want with the disk. If what you are after is simply to restrict code from being run, why not just use chmod? What exactly do you wish to acheive that you don't already have?
You should ask for a refund on that WinCE thing you used to write that post. Really, Graphiti was passable and worked. Have you tried entering text on one of those PocketPC things? It's awful. Combine that with how well M$ interfaces scale and you get something that should be refunded.
The patent you point to does not look like something that graphiti would infringe on because graphiti is not rotationaly independent and graphiti uses a seperate area for numerals. Suppose this and other reasons are why the case was tossed out?
In any case, the patent itself is broad and very late. The referenced material dates back to 1982 and we can be sure that there was plenty of prior art. Yes, this is essentially patenting all styles of handwriting that might be easy for a computer to read. The same things make hadwriting easy for people to read as well. The is why most alphabets are mostly rotationally independent and involve as few strokes as possible. If Palm was ugly enough to keep others from using graphiti type systems, they deserve the same treatment, but it all goes to show how silly patents have become.
I'm going to miss graphiti as the replacements, short of a keyboard, just don't work. As Xerox managed to NOT file until 1997, it will be a decade before others may use this without paying Xerox a fee. I hope Xerox will be reasonable, ten years from now voice recognition will be good enough on portable devices and graphiti will be worthless.
* Multi-step resample: The time it took to resample up a D100 photo, in seven 110% increments, for printing on a 13 x 19 inch inkjet printer at 300 ppi, was tested. * Unsharp Mask: The time it took to apply Unsharp Mask (Amount: 300% Radius: 1.5 Threshold: 1) then Fade the filter (Mode: Luminosity, Opacity: 100%), was tested. The photo's resolution was 20 x 30 inches at 300 ppi. * Batch process using web site Action: The time it took to batch process 25 D100 JPEGs, saving them out as quality level 70 JPEGs using Save for Web, was tested. The processing steps were derived from an Action used in preparing photos for this web site: assign a profile, rotate, filter noise with Quantum Mechanic Pro, apply Unsharp Mask, Fade Unsharp Mask, resize to 450 pixels wide in three steps, apply Unsharp Mask, Fade Unsharp Mask, convert to sRGB, Export using Save for Web.
I have no idea what "web action" is nor would I be able to figure out what you mean by "set up." I processed over 1 gig of picutres and movies for christmas but I have no way to compare what I did to the benchmarks I read. I used two Athlons, a 1.3GHz machine and a 650MHz machine with SCSI. Both had on the order of 500MB or RAM. There is no set up time because I use Debian and never have to turn the machines off. Most conversions were done through ImageMagick, with a little GIMP work here and there. HTML generation was done with a slightly modified igal and a simple shell script to feed it directory trees. All said, most of the work was automated and did not take much of my time. The most time consuming task was burning 20 CDs one at a time. I'd love to be able to compare some of the conversions head to head - like a simple image resample defined in pixels. Something tells me that my little machine would do very well against something encumbered by M$.
Here's one US citezen with a few pointers to clueless wielders of IP, my bird finger. I've got two of them and the other one is for you. Thus, I laugh at the idea that the US is running out of innovation and industry.
As heavy bombers deliver heavy ordinance, I will be assured that US heavy industry is alive and well, though it may be encumbered by unions, silly laws and cartel ownership.
Farmers, like eveyone else, demand to make a living for what they do. When farming, or anything else does not pay, people move on to what does pay. You would be hard pressed to say that the US, which exports more food than anyone else in the world, and has an obesity problem, has any kind of problem making food.
This, however takes the cake:
The odd billion chinese people are slightly more significant.... Their staff are cheaper, their lawyers don't charge outrageous fees and they have lots of young and bright staff encouraged to think rather than to conform for fear of liability and lawsuits for being original.
Whatever encumberences people in the US work under are nothing compared to conditions in China, where you could be sent to jail for reading this post. This does not make things as they should be here but chicken little claims and praise of others are not the way to fix things. China, without huge infusions of western cash, would fall to ruin just as the Soviet Union did. Regiems like that are the worst corporate nighmare you ever had. If you think it's hard to get things done in a large company here just imagine living there. Here are some other stuff you might want to consider about the "competition"
You say Entertainment biz has a entirely different culture than Internet/Technology.
Yes this is true. You then blame Case for the decline of stock value and say,
... single handedly making $6 billion disappear is no small feat.
This is also true though the blame might fall elswhere before it's all over. Was there some reason that Time content did not make it onto AOL's networks? Hmmmm, they had the world's biggest ISP and this is what they do with it? Good work boys! How much do you think Napster, MP3.com and Internet radio was worth combined? Kinda makes $6 billion look small, but the entertainment industry folks destroyed them too. They think they have something special that they can dribble out one dead tree copy after another and profit like the internet does not exist. It's not going to work but those responsible will retire very wealthy anyway.
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Because even well-meaning people are not capable of being completely responsible for these abuses if they are not properly trained or aware of how these things occur.
No one is responsible for what other people do without their knowldge and consent. Blaming the user for network security and software bugs is sorry. Telling people not to share their passwords and using that as a means of transfering blame is a cop-out. There should not be a way for someone to get at company information simply by talking to an employee over the phone or through email sniffing. Information that should be gaurded needs to be gaurded and employees who use the tools their employers give them are not responsible when those tools fail them. That's why I was disgusted with the way things were actually done.
Your test is a bad idea. It is predicated on responsibility that should not be born by the employee. The very fact that the test might be useful shows that there are huge holes in data security. A company that displaces blame like that will invariably use your test data to fire competent employees when things get tight.
Are you surprised that there's a constant arms race between those seeking to regulate "fairly" and those seeking to preserve their advantage?
No, I understand freedom. If it were not for bogus software patents and outrageous copyright abuse, fostered in part by Mr. Gates, M$ would be nothing today. There is no such thing as "fair" regulation, there can only be the prevention of criminal abuse if we are free.
I kind of like his page as it reflects his company. He sits serenely over big hoard of someone else's 5 watt ideas, most of which do not work. Ah the life, bribing India, buying companies to put them out of business, cutting off air supplies, knifing babies, and telling us all that sharing software is evil bad horrible. Such benevolence, that royal purple couch is perfect.
This does not look like much of a work out. Looks more like a nightmare where you fall off the bed.
next to the guy. Oh my God, I think I Slashdotted the Devil!
Apparently the fact that Paul Festa linked here from his CNET article is going to reduce my Livejournal to the unadulterated depths of uselessness that the Slashdot forums have pioneered, so I guess I'll just turn off comments until the newbie shitstorm blows on by.
I'm not interested in your opinion. I'm not interested in explaining to you how you've completely missed the point of my post. I just don't care.
Thank you, drive through.
Someone else must have written that, as it looks like the kind of thing Slashdot trolls write, you know, "Slazdot sucks!" and it makes him look like an arogent shit. That's not the way I imagine someone who could found a huge project like Mozilla and organize all of the people who worked on it. If Mozilla is not targeted at "newbies", who is it for?
Wait a minute, I think I see it - the same people dumping troll posts on Slashdot also work for ZDnet. M$ whoring does not get lower than that - abuse of all possible contenders. Note that the article does not say anything good about Safari or KDE, it just heaps abuse on Mozilla. Up yours, ZDnet, Mozilla rocks so hard it even makes your site bearble by turning off all the adverts and pop ups.
The whole point of the article, by those M$ whores at ZDnet, is to say that Mozilla sucks. What total crap. Mozilla rocks. Tabbs, anti-popup, and yes it is fast, generally quicker than IE on Windoze 2000 because it does not have to handle so much advert garbage and spyware. Konquror is nice too and I'm happy that Apple is going to use their work.
I say the whole chip is a trojan. Witness the "hidden" stuff on the site:
The new security technologies include secure hidden storage of confidential information...
So it's got stuff you can't see or write to, but others can. That makes others root and you are not.
Why not?
I would LOVE to be able to lock it down, but it isnt really possible past PGP/Zonealarm/NAV/etc.
Why not put a real OS on it?
This is Digital Rights Denial, implimented at the hardware level. You will not be able to publish in the new format, only a few existing publishers get they keys. They will continue to have all the power they enjoy under a dead tree economy without any of the costs. You will loose the ability to make any kind of publication at all, including paper, and will recieve even less that you might currently.
Don't waste your effort, many dedicated people are working hard to screw you and everyone else. Just sit back and relax.
Yeah, we all know the Chinese would never stoop to censorship or other Digital Rights Denial. Give me a break, Commie talk about the evils of IP is self serving at best.
Right, there's a trusted source of information. I goes like this:
RIAA: Look Mr. Tech, I've used my vast propaganda power to push "trusted computing" and could make horrible laws. If you just give me what I want on your terms I won't have to beat you with legislation.
Mr. Tech: Ahhh! I give up, your monopoly on Britinay Spears and control of Radio in general are too powerful to resist. -Asside: If we do it our way, we can squeeze everyone for money! If things are regulated we won't make nearly as much.
RIAA: Great, we thought you would see it our way. -Asside: sucker once you start abusing everyone they will scream for government assistance and we own those bitches.
willhill@hesiod:~$ ping www.d128.com
PING d128.com (64.227.2.228): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=57.8 ms
64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=39.6 ms
64 bytes from 64.227.2.228: icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=42.5 ms
--- d128.com ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 39.6/46.6/57.8 ms
willhill@hesiod:~$ whois 64.227.2.228
OrgName: Interland
OrgID: INTD
NetRange: 64.224.0.0 - 64.227.255.255
CIDR: 64.224.0.0/14
NetName: INTERLAND-5
NetHandle: NET-64-224-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: A.NS.INTERLAND.NET
NameServer: B.NS.INTERLAND.NET
NameServer: C.NS.INTERLAND.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
But so what? My complaint is that I can't use the wires that hook up to my house.
You think this is a joke, but that's what the last place I worked for did. They thought of it as "personal responsibility". No training, nothing useful. They ran M$ for everything server to desktop, then made it so they could blame someone when things were broken into, complete with an electronic signature. What else do you expect from a M$ shop? You "training" efforts there would just end up as another way to "renew" or fire people.
Hey, Snake, did you know that childlessness is hereditary? That's right, if your parents never had children, there's a good chance you never will either.
It's called income tax and everyone pays it, including your ISP, and it does pay for infrasturcture and civil defense. Many states also have income taxes.
The federal government would be happy to charge spammers a bulk rate for email delivery, and you about ten times as much. Spam should be outlawed and email needs no taxing. You govenment's greed is never to your advantage and must be checked at each election.
Yes, it seems that we may be able to hook our computers up to our TVs again one day.
I'm missing something, what are you after? Why not just use the bios password feature? This would prevent the causual attacker from say booting off a floppy. If someone else already has your machine physically, they can do anything they want with the disk. If what you are after is simply to restrict code from being run, why not just use chmod? What exactly do you wish to acheive that you don't already have?
You should ask for a refund on that WinCE thing you used to write that post. Really, Graphiti was passable and worked. Have you tried entering text on one of those PocketPC things? It's awful. Combine that with how well M$ interfaces scale and you get something that should be refunded.
The patent you point to does not look like something that graphiti would infringe on because graphiti is not rotationaly independent and graphiti uses a seperate area for numerals. Suppose this and other reasons are why the case was tossed out?
In any case, the patent itself is broad and very late. The referenced material dates back to 1982 and we can be sure that there was plenty of prior art. Yes, this is essentially patenting all styles of handwriting that might be easy for a computer to read. The same things make hadwriting easy for people to read as well. The is why most alphabets are mostly rotationally independent and involve as few strokes as possible. If Palm was ugly enough to keep others from using graphiti type systems, they deserve the same treatment, but it all goes to show how silly patents have become.
I'm going to miss graphiti as the replacements, short of a keyboard, just don't work. As Xerox managed to NOT file until 1997, it will be a decade before others may use this without paying Xerox a fee. I hope Xerox will be reasonable, ten years from now voice recognition will be good enough on portable devices and graphiti will be worthless.
* Multi-step resample: The time it took to resample up a D100 photo, in seven 110% increments, for printing on a 13 x 19 inch inkjet printer at 300 ppi, was tested.
* Unsharp Mask: The time it took to apply Unsharp Mask (Amount: 300% Radius: 1.5 Threshold: 1) then Fade the filter (Mode: Luminosity, Opacity: 100%), was tested. The photo's resolution was 20 x 30 inches at 300 ppi.
* Batch process using web site Action: The time it took to batch process 25 D100 JPEGs, saving them out as quality level 70 JPEGs using Save for Web, was tested. The processing steps were derived from an Action used in preparing photos for this web site: assign a profile, rotate, filter noise with Quantum Mechanic Pro, apply Unsharp Mask, Fade Unsharp Mask, resize to 450 pixels wide in three steps, apply Unsharp Mask, Fade Unsharp Mask, convert to sRGB, Export using Save for Web.
I have no idea what "web action" is nor would I be able to figure out what you mean by "set up." I processed over 1 gig of picutres and movies for christmas but I have no way to compare what I did to the benchmarks I read. I used two Athlons, a 1.3GHz machine and a 650MHz machine with SCSI. Both had on the order of 500MB or RAM. There is no set up time because I use Debian and never have to turn the machines off. Most conversions were done through ImageMagick, with a little GIMP work here and there. HTML generation was done with a slightly modified igal and a simple shell script to feed it directory trees. All said, most of the work was automated and did not take much of my time. The most time consuming task was burning 20 CDs one at a time. I'd love to be able to compare some of the conversions head to head - like a simple image resample defined in pixels. Something tells me that my little machine would do very well against something encumbered by M$.
As heavy bombers deliver heavy ordinance, I will be assured that US heavy industry is alive and well, though it may be encumbered by unions, silly laws and cartel ownership.
Farmers, like eveyone else, demand to make a living for what they do. When farming, or anything else does not pay, people move on to what does pay. You would be hard pressed to say that the US, which exports more food than anyone else in the world, and has an obesity problem, has any kind of problem making food.
This, however takes the cake:
The odd billion chinese people are slightly more significant. ... Their staff are cheaper, their lawyers don't charge outrageous fees and they have lots of young and bright staff encouraged to think rather than to conform for fear of liability and lawsuits for being original.
Whatever encumberences people in the US work under are nothing compared to conditions in China, where you could be sent to jail for reading this post. This does not make things as they should be here but chicken little claims and praise of others are not the way to fix things. China, without huge infusions of western cash, would fall to ruin just as the Soviet Union did. Regiems like that are the worst corporate nighmare you ever had. If you think it's hard to get things done in a large company here just imagine living there. Here are some other stuff you might want to consider about the "competition"
Technical innovation can occur anywhere, but the basis for consistent performance and general prosperity is freedom. The US still has plenty of that.
Something to think about as you watch the US drop your tax money out of bombers over the desert
I'm a little more worried about the people on both ends of that drop than I am about money.
System V. Ha, ha, ha, I wonder what they won't claim. It's a rumor, no one is that stupid, right?
Yes this is true. You then blame Case for the decline of stock value and say,
This is also true though the blame might fall elswhere before it's all over. Was there some reason that Time content did not make it onto AOL's networks? Hmmmm, they had the world's biggest ISP and this is what they do with it? Good work boys! How much do you think Napster, MP3.com and Internet radio was worth combined? Kinda makes $6 billion look small, but the entertainment industry folks destroyed them too. They think they have something special that they can dribble out one dead tree copy after another and profit like the internet does not exist. It's not going to work but those responsible will retire very wealthy anyway.