First, Skype is not, and has never been, Israeli. ICQ hasn't been Israeli for ages and ages (sold to AOL, that's America Online) in 1998. That's 17 years ago. Either way, a search for "ICQ snowden backdoor" shows nothing relevant in any of the first 10 results, causing me to question the validity of trusting you as a source. If I'm wrong, by all means, please do provide sources.
Second, I used to be in charge of Check Point's product security (late 2000 to early 2003). If any Israeli product is backdoored, you'd expect Check Point's Firewall-1 to be it. In order for that to work, I'd need to know about it, or I might accidentally close the back door. I give you my word as a non-anonymous long time user of this site that no such intentional back doors exist in the product. I have never been asked to not fix a problem I've found, or to not look for certain types of security problems.
During my time there, a few security problems were found in FW-1. If memory serves me right, most were in the management and not in the actual enforcement unit. Either way, I have never seen such a problem and thought "this seems intentional". They always seemed like no more nor less than the usual sloppy programming creating security holes.
Israel has a notorious "cypher law". I actually did produce an encryption product. I only registered it after several years in which it was freely available through sourceforge. The registration process included me sending a request with links to the web site, and a reply saying it was approved as a "free encryption device" (i.e. - I do not need to re-validate it unless I change the crypto).
Now, I know the usual FUD about rsyncrypto, and I know people will say that that's because rsyncrypto's encryption sucks to begin with. All I can say about that is that the cypher law makes it legal to use freely available encryption from the internet without restriction (i.e. - gpg, ssh etc.). They also list the number of applications they processed and denied, and the last time they denied any application was around 2002 (I cannot find the page right now, sorry).
So, all in all, I think this:
i never seen anything come out of israel that wasnt backdoored.. Icq skype etc i think showden files had things about this also
Started a new job about eight months ago. Asked for a Unicomp keyboard, but said I'd bring my own first so people have a chance to object before money is spent.
In a room with two other people, one didn't mind and the other did object. Went with a MS ergonomic 4000 or something.
Moved to another room. Room mate said he also owned a unicomp. Next room over had people sensitive to noise. We decided to both bring our buckling spring on April 1st and see what people say. March 31st, one of the next door programmers talks to me how another programmer in his room has noisy keyboard (membrane with keys not going up all the way, nothing on the order of magnitude of a buckling spring). Asks if he can move to our room. I put on a straight face and say "sure, come by tomorrow and see how things work out for you".
Due to unrelated circumstances, I am away from work for the next week. When I come back, to my surprise, next door programer has not moved in. It appears that, despite repeated assurances from my room mate that this is all just an April Fools joke, the mere fact that the keyboard is on my desk, unused, has deterred him from moving.
Just to add to your comment, there are beginning of studies that claim they can distinguish between those who can from those who can't as early as first day of school.
I brought forward the period of time the data was published as indication of intent. It does imply that the publication was unintended.
There is a Hebrew proverb, "the law will puncture the mountain". It means strict adherence to the letter of the law, regardless of circumstances (or common sense).
If you say "that's the agreement, and he violated it, however brief and however unintentional", then you still have to account to the 30 other vulnerabilities, for which Groupon is also refusing to pay, for no good reason at all.
You claimed that no movies are made about other genocides done by the Nazis because the Jews want the term "Holocaust" to only refer to that aspect of it. It is not possible for the to happen if the Jews don't actually control Hollywood. Merely producing a few movies won't stop others from producing other movies.
Also, I cannot help but point out that while you emphatically deny that you said that, you did not deny that that is what you believe. Quite the contrary, you tried to bring support to precisely the same point of view you deny expressing (albeit from the only person in history who can be said to have murdered even more people than Hitler himself).
Anti-Semite? I don't recognize Jewish "ownership" of this term
It should be fairly obvious at this point that I have zero control over what you do or do not do. In terms of what the term means, however, you are wrong. See wikipedia, Merriam-Webster and the Oxford dictionary.
is the quick insult that's guaranteed to kill the conversation
Which is strange, because after I called you that, I went on to address your argument. Now why would I do that if all I want to do is kill the conversation?
While I completely agree that the label "anti-semite" is used too quickly on people who do not deserve it, in your case, given that you repeat a well known anti-semite story, it seems warranted.
In fact, not to sound crass, Goebbels would have been proud.
He'd certainly commend you on this comment. Particularly the part where you say:
Hollywood has produced movie after movie, I don't blame for keeping history alive to protect themselves
So the Jews control Hollywood? Anti-Semitic much?
The Armenian Holocaust have been hashed mostly for political reasons. Too many nations care too much about what Turkey thinks, and they are extremely touchy about the matter. Let's hope that now that the Pope bashed them for it, that it will get more attention.
As for the Nazis non-Jews murder victims: the Nazis haven't been nearly as methodical in persecuting Roma, blacks, socialists etc. as they have the Jews. One of the side effects is that no one is really certain who should be counted toward that number (as opposed to "normal" war casualties). In fact, according to wikipedia, the number you quote (5 million) is on the low end of the estimates range, with the high end reaching as far as 16 million!
60 million is a bit over-reaching. The only numbers I know that match that from WWII are for the number of casualties during the war. The number of people the Nazies actually murdered is not 100% clear, because other than the Jews, the Nazies weren't as methodical about the murders. Including 6 million Jews, the estimates range from 11 to 20 million.
I don't think it makes sense to count people killed, say, by invading British or American armies as people Goebbels can be held personally accountable for.
I can tell you that the feedback I got from my recruiter matched what I sensed from the interview. I think I can tell when the interviewer lost interest in me, and that was when I said I tried not to manage such big teams.
As for working for Google: How do you handle not being able to tell anyone what you're working on? Does that not bother you?
From what I hear,, Google's secrecy is second only to Apple (where you cannot even tell your coworkers what you're working on).
Google does not give candidates any feedback on the reason they weren't hired.
My "internal headhunter" was called something along the lines of "hiring something", but I can collaborate that point. I was interviewed for a team lead position, and the hiring something told me that they decided I was great technically, but did not have enough experience managing teams of 10 people (why one would need such an experience, and how such a constellation makes sense, is left as an exercise for the reader). He even went as far as to say he, personally, thought that was a mistake.
My only guess is that candidates who approach Google (as opposed to candidates with whom Google initiates contact) don't get a hiring something, and as such, have no feedback. I certainly did not receive any feedback by any other channel.
Shachar
P.s. I think I dodged a bullet there. Had Google extended an offer, I might have been tempted to take it. In retrospect, I very much doubt I'd have enjoyed it as much as I do where I ended up, at a small start-up.
"To be or not to be", or, in it's C style syntax: "2b || !2b", is not a question at all. It is a tautology. It is true regardless of what semantic value you assign to 2b.
Shachar
P.s. Yes, I know, C identifiers cannot begin with a digit.
What genocide? Less Palestinian were killed by Israel (including combatants) since the conflict started 100 years ago than Syrians over the past two years.
The Palestinians in both Gaza and the west back, individually, experience a positive natural growth.
If Israel is trying to commit genocide, it is criminally ineffective.
The general concensus, both here in Israel and, it seems, worldwide, is that he is.
He is also the yahoo most likely to be the prime minister after the elections. No, Israel did not crack the "how to make democracy work" riddle either.
Not only does it affect the peanut allergies in Israel (less than 1%), this snack was, in fact, the tirgger that started this particular research.
The story according to the local papers is that the researcher was in a conference in Israel, and, as usual, asked who here has a child that is allergic to peanuts. Unusually, however, hardly anyone raised their hands. That triggered discovery of Bamba.
In fact, during the research, Bamba is what they fed the non-control group children.
Excuse my nit picking, but the Nazis hardly used gas chambers in concentration camps. Mostly, they built special camps dedicated for murdering (mostly Jews, but it depends on the camp), and gas chambers was mostly used in those. These are, generally, refered to as "Extermination camps".
There were gas chambers in some of the concentration camps as well, but their use there was relatively marginal. Most people who died in concentration camps died from the cold, starvation and diseases, as well as direct murders (i.e. - getting shot).
What game theory has to say about that is to point out that these systems only work so long as the number of participants is small enough. Once the number of participants gets too large, it is impossible to effectively punish the leachers, and the entire system falls apart.
I guess we need to add to GP's original question the criteria of "works on a large scale"
If it has an intermediate C step, how do they handle exceptions?
The original C++ compiler, Cfront, was abandoned precisely because of that reason: there was no sane way to handle exception without incuring costs at the good path. C simply doesn't have the facilities.
When I interview, I start by asking the applicant about their general background. What projects they have worked on.
I then try to pick something from that specific knowledge domain and ask about that. I typically ask them to describe, in detail, a project they have been involved in, or ask a question about it.
My personal experience: most know nothing about the specific domain in which they have participated.
Some of the answers I've received were embarresing. People volunteering knowledge in C++ STL and BOOST, working with smart pointers, who have no idea how shared_ptr works or what its drawbacks are. People saying they used multiple inheritence and virtual inheritence (I would never bring it up on my own as I know many people consider it a niche) who don't understand how virtual inheritence actually work. People who built communication platforms for VOIP who cannot answer why/whether/when UDP is better than TCP.
So, no, programmers suck even when you ask them about their own knowledge domain. I usually end up recommending someone without experience but with the right spark in their eyes, figuring my time is better spent growing a bright newbie than fighting with bad habits by a someone with good-for-nothing "experience".
Siddesu called it "the easiest way to lose weight".
If it's so easy, how come 95% fail it?
I have a regime that would allow you to live to 100, but it is so difficult to keep that it's not possible for you to stick to it. Is it your fault, or the regime's? Of course it is the regime's.
The human endurance is part of the equation. Ignoring it is precisely the failure of science this article complains about.
Slashdot Mirror
Spreading FUD all over, aren't we?
First, Skype is not, and has never been, Israeli. ICQ hasn't been Israeli for ages and ages (sold to AOL, that's America Online) in 1998. That's 17 years ago. Either way, a search for "ICQ snowden backdoor" shows nothing relevant in any of the first 10 results, causing me to question the validity of trusting you as a source. If I'm wrong, by all means, please do provide sources.
Second, I used to be in charge of Check Point's product security (late 2000 to early 2003). If any Israeli product is backdoored, you'd expect Check Point's Firewall-1 to be it. In order for that to work, I'd need to know about it, or I might accidentally close the back door. I give you my word as a non-anonymous long time user of this site that no such intentional back doors exist in the product. I have never been asked to not fix a problem I've found, or to not look for certain types of security problems.
During my time there, a few security problems were found in FW-1. If memory serves me right, most were in the management and not in the actual enforcement unit. Either way, I have never seen such a problem and thought "this seems intentional". They always seemed like no more nor less than the usual sloppy programming creating security holes.
Israel has a notorious "cypher law". I actually did produce an encryption product. I only registered it after several years in which it was freely available through sourceforge. The registration process included me sending a request with links to the web site, and a reply saying it was approved as a "free encryption device" (i.e. - I do not need to re-validate it unless I change the crypto).
Now, I know the usual FUD about rsyncrypto, and I know people will say that that's because rsyncrypto's encryption sucks to begin with. All I can say about that is that the cypher law makes it legal to use freely available encryption from the internet without restriction (i.e. - gpg, ssh etc.). They also list the number of applications they processed and denied, and the last time they denied any application was around 2002 (I cannot find the page right now, sorry).
So, all in all, I think this:
i never seen anything come out of israel that wasnt backdoored.. Icq skype etc
i think showden files had things about this also
is concentrated bullshit.
Shachar
Started a new job about eight months ago. Asked for a Unicomp keyboard, but said I'd bring my own first so people have a chance to object before money is spent.
In a room with two other people, one didn't mind and the other did object. Went with a MS ergonomic 4000 or something.
Moved to another room. Room mate said he also owned a unicomp. Next room over had people sensitive to noise. We decided to both bring our buckling spring on April 1st and see what people say. March 31st, one of the next door programmers talks to me how another programmer in his room has noisy keyboard (membrane with keys not going up all the way, nothing on the order of magnitude of a buckling spring). Asks if he can move to our room. I put on a straight face and say "sure, come by tomorrow and see how things work out for you".
Due to unrelated circumstances, I am away from work for the next week. When I come back, to my surprise, next door programer has not moved in. It appears that, despite repeated assurances from my room mate that this is all just an April Fools joke, the mere fact that the keyboard is on my desk, unused, has deterred him from moving.
Shachar
Just to add to your comment, there are beginning of studies that claim they can distinguish between those who can from those who can't as early as first day of school.
Shachar
Reported a zero day used to attack my site two weeks ago. Attached tcpdump of attack.
Have not heard back. Not even a simple "We've received your report and will get around to it whenever".
Shachar
Let's tone down the ad-hominem, please.
I brought forward the period of time the data was published as indication of intent. It does imply that the publication was unintended.
There is a Hebrew proverb, "the law will puncture the mountain". It means strict adherence to the letter of the law, regardless of circumstances (or common sense).
If you say "that's the agreement, and he violated it, however brief and however unintentional", then you still have to account to the 30 other vulnerabilities, for which Groupon is also refusing to pay, for no good reason at all.
Shachar
Yes, he did screw up: by getting things published on XSSposed.org before GroupOn fixed their issues.
You mean "thing", right? Only one, only by mistake, only for a short period of time.
I'm with the researcher on this one.
Shachar
I have no idea why, but when koan linked to Joel Stein's article, I real "Joseph Stalin". Brain fart of some sort or another.
I stand by the rest of my comment.
Shachar
You're not very good distinguishing between group pride and control, are you?
Shachar
I didn't say "Jews control Hollywood"
You claimed that no movies are made about other genocides done by the Nazis because the Jews want the term "Holocaust" to only refer to that aspect of it. It is not possible for the to happen if the Jews don't actually control Hollywood. Merely producing a few movies won't stop others from producing other movies.
Also, I cannot help but point out that while you emphatically deny that you said that, you did not deny that that is what you believe. Quite the contrary, you tried to bring support to precisely the same point of view you deny expressing (albeit from the only person in history who can be said to have murdered even more people than Hitler himself).
Anti-Semite? I don't recognize Jewish "ownership" of this term
It should be fairly obvious at this point that I have zero control over what you do or do not do. In terms of what the term means, however, you are wrong. See wikipedia, Merriam-Webster and the Oxford dictionary.
is the quick insult that's guaranteed to kill the conversation
Which is strange, because after I called you that, I went on to address your argument. Now why would I do that if all I want to do is kill the conversation?
While I completely agree that the label "anti-semite" is used too quickly on people who do not deserve it, in your case, given that you repeat a well known anti-semite story, it seems warranted.
Shachar
In fact, not to sound crass, Goebbels would have been proud.
He'd certainly commend you on this comment. Particularly the part where you say:
Hollywood has produced movie after movie, I don't blame for keeping history alive to protect themselves
So the Jews control Hollywood? Anti-Semitic much?
The Armenian Holocaust have been hashed mostly for political reasons. Too many nations care too much about what Turkey thinks, and they are extremely touchy about the matter. Let's hope that now that the Pope bashed them for it, that it will get more attention.
As for the Nazis non-Jews murder victims: the Nazis haven't been nearly as methodical in persecuting Roma, blacks, socialists etc. as they have the Jews. One of the side effects is that no one is really certain who should be counted toward that number (as opposed to "normal" war casualties). In fact, according to wikipedia, the number you quote (5 million) is on the low end of the estimates range, with the high end reaching as far as 16 million!
Shachar
60 million is a bit over-reaching. The only numbers I know that match that from WWII are for the number of casualties during the war. The number of people the Nazies actually murdered is not 100% clear, because other than the Jews, the Nazies weren't as methodical about the murders. Including 6 million Jews, the estimates range from 11 to 20 million.
I don't think it makes sense to count people killed, say, by invading British or American armies as people Goebbels can be held personally accountable for.
Shachar
I can tell you that the feedback I got from my recruiter matched what I sensed from the interview. I think I can tell when the interviewer lost interest in me, and that was when I said I tried not to manage such big teams.
As for working for Google: How do you handle not being able to tell anyone what you're working on? Does that not bother you?
From what I hear,, Google's secrecy is second only to Apple (where you cannot even tell your coworkers what you're working on).
Shachar
My "internal headhunter" was called something along the lines of "hiring something", but I can collaborate that point. I was interviewed for a team lead position, and the hiring something told me that they decided I was great technically, but did not have enough experience managing teams of 10 people (why one would need such an experience, and how such a constellation makes sense, is left as an exercise for the reader). He even went as far as to say he, personally, thought that was a mistake.
My only guess is that candidates who approach Google (as opposed to candidates with whom Google initiates contact) don't get a hiring something, and as such, have no feedback. I certainly did not receive any feedback by any other channel.
Shachar
P.s.
I think I dodged a bullet there. Had Google extended an offer, I might have been tempted to take it. In retrospect, I very much doubt I'd have enjoyed it as much as I do where I ended up, at a small start-up.
"To be or not to be", or, in it's C style syntax: "2b || !2b", is not a question at all. It is a tautology. It is true regardless of what semantic value you assign to 2b.
Shachar
P.s.
Yes, I know, C identifiers cannot begin with a digit.
Then where do Samsung phones come from?
No, it is not.
It is a legitimate invocation of a core reason why Nazism was allowed to rule, despite most Germans being against it.
Goodwin is more about "You do know that Hitler also washed his hands daily". Drawing an analogy that has nothing to do with Nazism.
Shachar
What genocide? Less Palestinian were killed by Israel (including combatants) since the conflict started 100 years ago than Syrians over the past two years.
The Palestinians in both Gaza and the west back, individually, experience a positive natural growth.
If Israel is trying to commit genocide, it is criminally ineffective.
Shachar
The general concensus, both here in Israel and, it seems, worldwide, is that he is.
He is also the yahoo most likely to be the prime minister after the elections. No, Israel did not crack the "how to make democracy work" riddle either.
Shachar
It's called "Google". It points here.
Short answer: they are either misquotes or ourright fakes.
Shachar
Not only does it affect the peanut allergies in Israel (less than 1%), this snack was, in fact, the tirgger that started this particular research.
The story according to the local papers is that the researcher was in a conference in Israel, and, as usual, asked who here has a child that is allergic to peanuts. Unusually, however, hardly anyone raised their hands. That triggered discovery of Bamba.
In fact, during the research, Bamba is what they fed the non-control group children.
Shachar
Excuse my nit picking, but the Nazis hardly used gas chambers in concentration camps. Mostly, they built special camps dedicated for murdering (mostly Jews, but it depends on the camp), and gas chambers was mostly used in those. These are, generally, refered to as "Extermination camps".
There were gas chambers in some of the concentration camps as well, but their use there was relatively marginal. Most people who died in concentration camps died from the cold, starvation and diseases, as well as direct murders (i.e. - getting shot).
Shachar
What game theory has to say about that is to point out that these systems only work so long as the number of participants is small enough. Once the number of participants gets too large, it is impossible to effectively punish the leachers, and the entire system falls apart.
I guess we need to add to GP's original question the criteria of "works on a large scale"
Shachar
If it has an intermediate C step, how do they handle exceptions?
The original C++ compiler, Cfront, was abandoned precisely because of that reason: there was no sane way to handle exception without incuring costs at the good path. C simply doesn't have the facilities.
Shachar
When I interview, I start by asking the applicant about their general background. What projects they have worked on.
I then try to pick something from that specific knowledge domain and ask about that. I typically ask them to describe, in detail, a project they have been involved in, or ask a question about it.
My personal experience: most know nothing about the specific domain in which they have participated.
Some of the answers I've received were embarresing. People volunteering knowledge in C++ STL and BOOST, working with smart pointers, who have no idea how shared_ptr works or what its drawbacks are. People saying they used multiple inheritence and virtual inheritence (I would never bring it up on my own as I know many people consider it a niche) who don't understand how virtual inheritence actually work. People who built communication platforms for VOIP who cannot answer why/whether/when UDP is better than TCP.
So, no, programmers suck even when you ask them about their own knowledge domain. I usually end up recommending someone without experience but with the right spark in their eyes, figuring my time is better spent growing a bright newbie than fighting with bad habits by a someone with good-for-nothing "experience".
Shachar
Shachar
Siddesu called it "the easiest way to lose weight".
If it's so easy, how come 95% fail it?
I have a regime that would allow you to live to 100, but it is so difficult to keep that it's not possible for you to stick to it. Is it your fault, or the regime's? Of course it is the regime's.
The human endurance is part of the equation. Ignoring it is precisely the failure of science this article complains about.
Shachar