Incorrect. Criminals Break laws. Professional criminals pay a lot of attention to laws that apply to their profrssion, so as to know when to co-operate with police to minimize sentencing and balance risk against gain. Idiots ignore laws.
And the conditions that allowed for the governments in 2 of those to countries to come into power ( and maybe japan as well, but I cant back that up so I'll leave them out) were largely due to economic depression. German in particular was in a situation where inflation was so great their money was worth less than its weight in paper at one point. Now, that doesnt neccessarily mean they would have played nice if they had better economic conditions, but it was certainly a contributory factor.
Really? You have something to support the argument that Standard Oil didnt use standard industrial relations techniques off the time? Because the use of national guard, police units and hired thugs for strike-breaking and general quashing of any attempt at unionized labor by US industrial companies prior to the 60's is pretty well documented. If you have some evidence that S.O was the lone, shining example of good regarding such, then I will happily withdraw all commentary made above:)
So, perforce, communism predates Marx. And i think your wrong on socialism and Communism being interchangeable. I was under the impression that prior to the word coming to discribe marxist theory, communism reffered to communes - thus my reference to the paris communes.
I'll freely admit I'm going from memory here tho, link me sources and I shut the hell up:)
From my understading of history, this should read " A blue collar worker of Standard Oil values not having his legs broken by strike breakers / national guard troops more than the hours he puts in." Lets not pretend that labor is by definition a free market - it certainly can be, but often is severly constrained by factor external to the actual value of said labor. And this goes in both directions - Unions are just as likely to try and formulate/force inflated wages as provide for fair one. Which, since they are essentially a corporation trading the commodity of labor, is exactly what they should be doing, selling their product for the most the market will bear.
I think your mistaking socialism for communism. Look up the parisian communes. Also the french revolution. Both, to my mind, are expressions of socialist governments, and predate Marxist communism by a fair margin.
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OK, just my 5 cents: I used to make fun of this case all the time - ' stoopid USans sueing people for hot coffee, lawl'. Then I read the actual details of the case, and now no more jokes. Its actually a pretty good example of a deserved court cas IMO.
Point 2: Over here in Oz theres a big perception of the US as being sue-happy ( which I think is accurate to a certain extent ), but ironically, we have a statisticaly higher rate of civil cases per capita. Significantly lower damages awarded, but stil.....
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Incorrect. Criminals Break laws. Professional criminals pay a lot of attention to laws that apply to their profrssion, so as to know when to co-operate with police to minimize sentencing and balance risk against gain. Idiots ignore laws.
And the conditions that allowed for the governments in 2 of those to countries to come into power ( and maybe japan as well, but I cant back that up so I'll leave them out) were largely due to economic depression. German in particular was in a situation where inflation was so great their money was worth less than its weight in paper at one point. Now, that doesnt neccessarily mean they would have played nice if they had better economic conditions, but it was certainly a contributory factor.
Really? You have something to support the argument that Standard Oil didnt use standard industrial relations techniques off the time? Because the use of national guard, police units and hired thugs for strike-breaking and general quashing of any attempt at unionized labor by US industrial companies prior to the 60's is pretty well documented. If you have some evidence that S.O was the lone, shining example of good regarding such, then I will happily withdraw all commentary made above :)
So, perforce, communism predates Marx. And i think your wrong on socialism and Communism being interchangeable. I was under the impression that prior to the word coming to discribe marxist theory, communism reffered to communes - thus my reference to the paris communes. I'll freely admit I'm going from memory here tho, link me sources and I shut the hell up :)
From my understading of history, this should read " A blue collar worker of Standard Oil values not having his legs broken by strike breakers / national guard troops more than the hours he puts in." Lets not pretend that labor is by definition a free market - it certainly can be, but often is severly constrained by factor external to the actual value of said labor. And this goes in both directions - Unions are just as likely to try and formulate/force inflated wages as provide for fair one. Which, since they are essentially a corporation trading the commodity of labor, is exactly what they should be doing, selling their product for the most the market will bear.
I think your mistaking socialism for communism. Look up the parisian communes. Also the french revolution. Both, to my mind, are expressions of socialist governments, and predate Marxist communism by a fair margin. Flame begins now
OK, just my 5 cents: I used to make fun of this case all the time - ' stoopid USans sueing people for hot coffee, lawl'. Then I read the actual details of the case, and now no more jokes. Its actually a pretty good example of a deserved court cas IMO. Point 2: Over here in Oz theres a big perception of the US as being sue-happy ( which I think is accurate to a certain extent ), but ironically, we have a statisticaly higher rate of civil cases per capita. Significantly lower damages awarded, but stil.....