What the hell?! That actually happens, with newspaper thrown in the yard? I thought that was just on TV and the game Paper Boy!
Here in civilized countries our paperboys walk up to the front door and shove the papers through our mail slots, or (if we have a mailbox) they shove it into the mailbox.
(Or they dump the papers in the garbage and go back to sleep; I believe this is a cross-cultural thing)
Time is money, if houses are far apart and/or not close to the road a lot of paper delivery people will just throw it in the driveway. I had a job where I did nothing but bring a new newspaper to anyone who called up and said their paper landed in a puddle, snow bank, on their roof, or was missing a section, etc. When people would call up and complain I would suggest they tip their delivery person better. The paper lost a lot of customers. Deliveries were handled by private contractors, thats the free market at work. If your getting $.15 cents a paper you sure can't spend 2 minutes on each one.
But, back on topic, the paper was doing so bad they had meetings with everyone in the company 25 at a time to brainstorm ideas to increase readership or cut costs. Naturally I didn't mention that I, and most in my office, spent the majority of my days reading the paper. Anyway, this graph they showed us plotted a steady decline in readership from the early 90's to the present (early 2004). They were bleeding customers, and probably still are. There were a lot of suggestions (mostly bad), but there isn't much they can do, and besides relentlessly pushing heavily discounted subscriptions, it doesn't seem they've changed much. They do own a rather popular local web portal, so i suppose they are making up some of their losses. Strangely there are many small free papers around still. I guess the newspaper as we know it is still going to be here for a while to come.
The US Army, US Navy and US Airforce can make campaign contributions?? Even if they can aren't they run by the commander in chief, the president? Isn't this like George Bush giving money to Ron Paul?
I've often wondered how the populations (including the military) in some of the more... nervous areas of the globe would react to a suddden blinding light in the sky followed by an enormous blast wave.
Well the military wouldn't know who to attack, but you can be sure as hell someone would say "God did this because we made him angry by -insert reason here-"
It's not possible that the rock there doesn't have sodium in it, because the rock in Enceladus, like the rock on earth, all comes from the same original cloud of material from which the entire solar system was formed.
It had a fair few billion years to mix (made up time, I have no idea how long the cloud of material existed as just a cloud), and then all the planets were made by the giant mutant star goat or something.
Anyway, it makes it easier to speculate as to the content of the rock.
Yes, but the solar system is not homogeneous. For instance the isotope ratios on Earth are known to be different from other parts of the solar system. Also, the outer planets are gas giants, while the inner planets are rocky.
failed to detect sodium, an element scientists say should be present in any body of water that has been in contact with rock for billions of years.
I know people spend their entire lives studying these things, but how do you really know that ALL rock has sulfur in it? Isn't it possible that for whatever reason this rock doesn't?
That is one of the stupidest ideas that I have ever heard. There are so many things wrong with it that it is hard to know where to start, so I will just pick two points. First, this is an excellent way to drive good people out of government and ensure that future government employees are people who have no other job prospects. Do you really want the government to consist of people scraped from the bottom of the barrel? I certainly don't. Second, this is little more than voyeurism: people with nothing better to do spying on people who are actually doing something. Is that the sort of society that you want to live in: one where anyone can get their jollies by spying on you at work? I don't.
So.... this tells me two things... first, that the government cannot force you to give up your PGP passphrase.... but possibly more important, the government (currently) cannot break PGP encryptopn.
Sue, sue everybody. Sue the now defunct company that lost your domain. Sue the company that bought your domain. Sue the owners of said companies directly. Sue their parents, their wives, and their children. Sue their pets. Sue everybody!
if no one was allowed to have kids till they were 40, over time it would weed out age related diseases
And additionally increase occurence of all kinds of birth defects by an order of magnitude or more. At least if we are talking about mothers here. As you may or may not know, risk of non-lethal major genetic mutations (like Down syndrome) increases radically with age of mother (the curve is astonishingly steep -- I would think anyone who delays having kids to around or past 40 must be a thrill-seeker... or, in layman's terms, "fucking nuts")
Well thats the point, the purpose is to remove those incapable of having healthy children at 40 from the gene pool. But, as I said in my first post "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
Although this in itself might not affect average life length too much (Down syndrome does radically shorten life of the person, but its occurence is still in minority, even with 40+ mothers).
The purpose is to weed out those who are unhealthy, and by doing so, push back the human biological clock.
But I seriously doubt that even if removal of diseases-that-kill-by-40 was achived, that would have major impact. Most people are killed by diseases that kill at a later stage: cardiovascular, cancer and diabetics.
Yes, which is why I said earlier that the age for having kids should be pushed back gradually over generations. 40 is just a good place to start because it is near the upper limit of human reproduction. There is a reason why cardiovascular, cancer and diabetics, (and all those other problems) happens late in life, is because at that point the person with those problems has already passed on their genes.
Of course the amount of human suffering this would cause could be great. I think it would work, but I don't think it should be done.
I meant people would be wiser, and maybe, just maybe, if the average age was, say, a healthy 150 the population as a whole would be hopefully wiser and less prone to acting like a bunch of violent mindless sheep (see history books, TV).
The Bible says a lot of things, it was written by people from what they understood at the time, no god was involved in its writting. The longest recorded lifespan is 122 years and 164 days. There is no evidence of a world wide flood. The Earth was not created in 6 days. The Earth is ~5 billion years old. All life was not created simultaneously.
The earth isn't stationary as once thought.
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1)
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5)
Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)
Diseases are not caused by demons, unless medicine is exorcism.
* A mute could talk after having the demon driven out (Matthew 9:32).
* A "demon-possessed" man who was blind and mute is cured by Jesus (Matthew 12:22).
* A demon caused seizures (epilepsy) in a boy (Matthew 17:14-18).
* A group of spirits caused a man to be insane (Mark 5:1-13).
* A spirit crippled a woman (Luke 13:11).
Unfulfilled prophecies
God promises that the Jews will never lose their land or be disturbed again.
And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies... (2 Samuel 7:10-11)
And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders over my people Israel. I will also subdue all your enemies... (1 Chronicles 17:9-10)
God promises that David's throne will be established forever.
"Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever." (2 Samuel 7:16)
"I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever." (1 Chronicles 17:14)
"And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever." (1 Chronicles 22:10)
Christian response: In the context of 2 Samuel 7:16 and 1 Chronicles 17:14, David's throne refers to Jesus, who is from the line of David. In this sense, God's throne is established forever.
No uncircumcised man will ever enter Jerusalem again.
Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again. (Isaiah 52:1)
I think people who are worried about "eliminating" genetic diversity as somehow being a threat to the human race aren't taking into account the solid evidence we have that points to all humans rising from an extremely small genetic pool long long ago. Is wiping out genetic disease going to make us more prone to... genetic disease... because of a "weaker" genepool? Thats like saying a penicillin resistant bacteria is weaker because its "diversity" was killed by penicillin.
Maybe we were just lucky, genetic diversity does protect us from being wiped out by some super virus or bacteria. Although I don't think keeping people from having kids until they are 40 would affect genetic diversity much.
Thanks for demonstrating why eugenics is stupid. The only people who support it are ignorant clots who grasp at the first "it just makes sense" thought that drifts through their otherwise empty minds.
Thanks for reading the whole thread, as I said in my first post "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
Humans live much, much longer than some other mammals already. The average mammal lives a billion heartbeats. We live twice that. There is an obvious reason for this, which you are too stupid to figure out.
There fixed that for you. Some bowhead wales live have lived to be 150-200 years old. I'm going to ignore your insult and hope that you may be mature enough to share this "obvious" reason you mention and why it might be relevant to the discussion at hand.
But it means that you're dealing with a population that is already very, very strongly selected for longevity. The odds of getting significantly longer lives from the eugenics program you propose are therefore very small.
Non sequitur. Just because there were big dinosaurs didn't mean they couldn't evolve into even bigger dinosaurs as they did. Just because we live a little longer than a lot of mammals doesn't necessarily mean we are any where near a theoretical limit.
But such a program would certainly put morons like you in charge of everyone else's breeding decisions.Well yes, again, thats why I said: "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
On the whole, I'll take my chances trusting those decisions to the intelligence of the average person over the intelligence of the kind of dimwit who thinks eugenics is a good idea.
I don't think it's a good idea to force on anyone. I'm just saying it would work.
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How can Linden Labs set up a safety net to catch things like this?
Well, they could hire more moderators. But even then some scammers are going to get through.
Even free to play MMORPGs that are relatively new are susceptible to this sort of thing. Just look at Fiesta Online: http://fiestafan.com/
What the hell?! That actually happens, with newspaper thrown in the yard? I thought that was just on TV and the game Paper Boy!
Here in civilized countries our paperboys walk up to the front door and shove the papers through our mail slots, or (if we have a mailbox) they shove it into the mailbox.
(Or they dump the papers in the garbage and go back to sleep; I believe this is a cross-cultural thing)
Time is money, if houses are far apart and/or not close to the road a lot of paper delivery people will just throw it in the driveway. I had a job where I did nothing but bring a new newspaper to anyone who called up and said their paper landed in a puddle, snow bank, on their roof, or was missing a section, etc. When people would call up and complain I would suggest they tip their delivery person better. The paper lost a lot of customers. Deliveries were handled by private contractors, thats the free market at work. If your getting $.15 cents a paper you sure can't spend 2 minutes on each one.
But, back on topic, the paper was doing so bad they had meetings with everyone in the company 25 at a time to brainstorm ideas to increase readership or cut costs. Naturally I didn't mention that I, and most in my office, spent the majority of my days reading the paper. Anyway, this graph they showed us plotted a steady decline in readership from the early 90's to the present (early 2004). They were bleeding customers, and probably still are. There were a lot of suggestions (mostly bad), but there isn't much they can do, and besides relentlessly pushing heavily discounted subscriptions, it doesn't seem they've changed much. They do own a rather popular local web portal, so i suppose they are making up some of their losses. Strangely there are many small free papers around still. I guess the newspaper as we know it is still going to be here for a while to come.
Do you always get your part back at the mechanic? Aren't some parts "cores" used to make remanufactured parts? Just like PC drives?
Has your post been classified yet?
But has Hasslehoff signed on?
I hope this thing can't reproduce, there would be no stopping it.
The US Army, US Navy and US Airforce can make campaign contributions?? Even if they can aren't they run by the commander in chief, the president? Isn't this like George Bush giving money to Ron Paul?
I've often wondered how the populations (including the military) in some of the more... nervous areas of the globe would react to a suddden blinding light in the sky followed by an enormous blast wave.
Well the military wouldn't know who to attack, but you can be sure as hell someone would say "God did this because we made him angry by -insert reason here-"
It's not possible that the rock there doesn't have sodium in it, because the rock in Enceladus, like the rock on earth, all comes from the same original cloud of material from which the entire solar system was formed.
It had a fair few billion years to mix (made up time, I have no idea how long the cloud of material existed as just a cloud), and then all the planets were made by the giant mutant star goat or something.
Anyway, it makes it easier to speculate as to the content of the rock.
Yes, but the solar system is not homogeneous. For instance the isotope ratios on Earth are known to be different from other parts of the solar system. Also, the outer planets are gas giants, while the inner planets are rocky.
Yes, I meant sodium instead of sulfur, but the same principle applies.
Maybe sodium it isnt so very soluable at such cold temps.
Maybe, but thats something you could test here on Earth.
failed to detect sodium, an element scientists say should be present in any body of water that has been in contact with rock for billions of years.
I know people spend their entire lives studying these things, but how do you really know that ALL rock has sulfur in it? Isn't it possible that for whatever reason this rock doesn't?
That is one of the stupidest ideas that I have ever heard. There are so many things wrong with it that it is hard to know where to start, so I will just pick two points. First, this is an excellent way to drive good people out of government and ensure that future government employees are people who have no other job prospects. Do you really want the government to consist of people scraped from the bottom of the barrel? I certainly don't. Second, this is little more than voyeurism: people with nothing better to do spying on people who are actually doing something. Is that the sort of society that you want to live in: one where anyone can get their jollies by spying on you at work? I don't.
Well, it sure beats a world where cops do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima when they think no one is looking.
What database does google use?
sometimes arguing the letter of the law isn't worth the PR cost.
PR cost? You think this is going to get any play in the media?
So.... this tells me two things... first, that the government cannot force you to give up your PGP passphrase.... but possibly more important, the government (currently) cannot break PGP encryptopn.
Hmmm....
Well the government of Vermont can't at least.
Sue, sue everybody. Sue the now defunct company that lost your domain. Sue the company that bought your domain. Sue the owners of said companies directly. Sue their parents, their wives, and their children. Sue their pets. Sue everybody!
And additionally increase occurence of all kinds of birth defects by an order of magnitude or more. At least if we are talking about mothers here. As you may or may not know, risk of non-lethal major genetic mutations (like Down syndrome) increases radically with age of mother (the curve is astonishingly steep -- I would think anyone who delays having kids to around or past 40 must be a thrill-seeker... or, in layman's terms, "fucking nuts")
Well thats the point, the purpose is to remove those incapable of having healthy children at 40 from the gene pool. But, as I said in my first post "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
Although this in itself might not affect average life length too much (Down syndrome does radically shorten life of the person, but its occurence is still in minority, even with 40+ mothers).
The purpose is to weed out those who are unhealthy, and by doing so, push back the human biological clock.
But I seriously doubt that even if removal of diseases-that-kill-by-40 was achived, that would have major impact. Most people are killed by diseases that kill at a later stage: cardiovascular, cancer and diabetics.
Yes, which is why I said earlier that the age for having kids should be pushed back gradually over generations. 40 is just a good place to start because it is near the upper limit of human reproduction. There is a reason why cardiovascular, cancer and diabetics, (and all those other problems) happens late in life, is because at that point the person with those problems has already passed on their genes.
Of course the amount of human suffering this would cause could be great. I think it would work, but I don't think it should be done.
Longevity is an evolutionary dead end.
True, but I wouldn't mind being immortal and obsolete.
If your a paranoid drug dealer, it doesn't mean the fuzz ain't tapping your phone.
I meant people would be wiser, and maybe, just maybe, if the average age was, say, a healthy 150 the population as a whole would be hopefully wiser and less prone to acting like a bunch of violent mindless sheep (see history books, TV).
The Bible says a lot of things, it was written by people from what they understood at the time, no god was involved in its writting. The longest recorded lifespan is 122 years and 164 days. There is no evidence of a world wide flood. The Earth was not created in 6 days. The Earth is ~5 billion years old. All life was not created simultaneously.
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1)
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)
The earth isn't stationary as once thought.
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5)
Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)
Diseases are not caused by demons, unless medicine is exorcism.
* A mute could talk after having the demon driven out (Matthew 9:32).
* A "demon-possessed" man who was blind and mute is cured by Jesus (Matthew 12:22).
* A demon caused seizures (epilepsy) in a boy (Matthew 17:14-18).
* A group of spirits caused a man to be insane (Mark 5:1-13).
* A spirit crippled a woman (Luke 13:11).
Unfulfilled prophecies
God promises that the Jews will never lose their land or be disturbed again.
And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies... (2 Samuel 7:10-11)
And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders over my people Israel. I will also subdue all your enemies... (1 Chronicles 17:9-10)
God promises that David's throne will be established forever.
"Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever." (2 Samuel 7:16)
"I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever." (1 Chronicles 17:14)
"And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever." (1 Chronicles 22:10)
Christian response: In the context of 2 Samuel 7:16 and 1 Chronicles 17:14, David's throne refers to Jesus, who is from the line of David. In this sense, God's throne is established forever.
No uncircumcised man will ever enter Jerusalem again.
Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again. (Isaiah 52:1)
Ad nauseam...
I think people who are worried about "eliminating" genetic diversity as somehow being a threat to the human race aren't taking into account the solid evidence we have that points to all humans rising from an extremely small genetic pool long long ago. Is wiping out genetic disease going to make us more prone to... genetic disease... because of a "weaker" genepool? Thats like saying a penicillin resistant bacteria is weaker because its "diversity" was killed by penicillin.
Maybe we were just lucky, genetic diversity does protect us from being wiped out by some super virus or bacteria. Although I don't think keeping people from having kids until they are 40 would affect genetic diversity much.
Thanks for demonstrating why eugenics is stupid. The only people who support it are ignorant clots who grasp at the first "it just makes sense" thought that drifts through their otherwise empty minds.
Thanks for reading the whole thread, as I said in my first post "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
Humans live much, much longer than some other mammals already. The average mammal lives a billion heartbeats. We live twice that. There is an obvious reason for this, which you are too stupid to figure out.
There fixed that for you. Some bowhead wales live have lived to be 150-200 years old. I'm going to ignore your insult and hope that you may be mature enough to share this "obvious" reason you mention and why it might be relevant to the discussion at hand.
But it means that you're dealing with a population that is already very, very strongly selected for longevity. The odds of getting significantly longer lives from the eugenics program you propose are therefore very small.
Non sequitur. Just because there were big dinosaurs didn't mean they couldn't evolve into even bigger dinosaurs as they did. Just because we live a little longer than a lot of mammals doesn't necessarily mean we are any where near a theoretical limit.
But such a program would certainly put morons like you in charge of everyone else's breeding decisions.Well yes, again, thats why I said: "Eugenics works, but is of course worse than the disease."
On the whole, I'll take my chances trusting those decisions to the intelligence of the average person over the intelligence of the kind of dimwit who thinks eugenics is a good idea.
I don't think it's a good idea to force on anyone. I'm just saying it would work.
Don't panic! Google will only remain logging when you are paranoid.
Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.