Although the Netcity form does only have two OS choices (Windows and Mac, of course), it is not a required field; so you can fill it out with no OS choice. It'll be difficult for them to claim you told them you had Windows, and they do put up a screen promising you you'll receive your scanner in 6 to 12 weeks.
I didn't agree to anything regarding it's use, either.
There's nothing illegal about having a monopoly, or even going to certain lengths to protect it.
Taking legal action to prevent people from engaging in legal behavior, in order to keep them from endangering your monopoly through completely legal means, is both abuse of process and anti-competitive behavior, both of which are illegal.
Suing people for reverse-engineering your code for purposes of compatibility is abuse of process, period.
Wouldn't NTFS compatability in Linux allow anyone with a Linux micro-distribution(on a floppy) access the information on a computer running NT on NTFS?
Yes, it would, and that's exactly what it's been doing for a couple of years now.
I mean, just because they don't want others to use their NTFS filesystem does not have anything to do with them being a monopoly.
They want to be the only one with an OS that can do NTFS.
The only company that can do something, enforced at gunpoint (which is the end result of a lawsuit, the courts enforce a ruling under threat of jail), and you don't see how that's a monopoly?
All we can do is hope that the courts will guide us in the right direction.
No, sir, that is exactly what we can NOT afford to do.
People took that attitude when the courts started violating the 2nd Amendment, and we told you that it wouldn't be the last. We were called "gun nuts" and "radicals".
Then people took that attitude when the courts started violating the 4th Amendment, and we told you that it wouldn't be the last. We were called "drug fiends" and "criminals".
Now is it a big goddamn surprise that we were *RIGHT*, and the courts are starting to take away our 1rst Amendment rights? You were warned, repeatedly. You insulted those who warned you.
Our vindication is a Pyrrhic victory; we've been proven correct, at the cost of our rights, because people took the attitude that they could "only hope the courts will guide us in the right direction".
This government was created to allow the people to guide the courts, not vice versa. Every person who doesn't know that and fight to preserve it is given up their most essential liberties, and unfortunately giving up mine too.
Because you just proved the point you were refuting. Why do you need to get to the guts? Why not just use the GUI?
Did you read more than three words of my comment?
I'll spell it out again, in small words:
One person can use a GUI that's "easy to use". Another can use a GUI that lets you get to the guts.
I did not mention the CLI at any point in any of my comments on this topic, yet two people so far (perhaps more, I only read at +2) have attempted to refute statements I supposedly have made about it.
The argument you're disputing is certainly stupid.
However, I didn't make that argument; you've merely set up a straw man.
The only operating systems that have the problems Dilger asserts are those where the GUI is part of the OS. It doesn't have to be, and I'm arguing that it shouldn't be.
Furthermore, I didn't argue that all GUIs should be "stupid", as you mistakenly claim. I merely asserted that if some of them are, that doesn't mean others are, and with Unix we have a choice.
The command line is part of the OS, and has nothing to do with the utility of the GUI.
Perhaps you should have read my comment before replying to it.
'Ease is never free: its gain is matched by a loss in choice, security, privacy, health, or a combination thereof,'
Bullshit.
This may be true in a Microsoft or Apple type world, where there's only one GUI and it's the only available choice, and OS is written around the GUI, but it's complete nonsense in the rest of world.
Linux, *BSD, and Unix are built with a robust operating system designed for maximum utility, with the GUI residing in user space where it belongs, and very little done to the OS to make the GUI's job easier.
In such an architecture, you can make the GUI as "easy to use" as you want, without affecting another user's ability to "get at the guts", because he doesn't have to use your GUI.
That is why he is wrong, and that is why we will win.
Long-term, I intend to bring it up whenever I'm speaking to my legislators.
What do *YOU* plan to do about it?
If everyone is competing to work for the lowest wage, then everyone's wage ends up as low as the most desperate person's.
Bullshit. If that were true, we'd all be making minimum wage now. I dunno about you, but I'm making a lot more than that.
Hello, sweatshops.
Sweatshops have a damn site more dignity than welfare. However, in order to have a sweatshop, you have to violate other laws than just the minimum wage.
Better intrusion detection isn't the answer... Secure software is.
You're completely wrong.
"Secure" isn't an object, it's a process. There is no such thing as "secure" in the sense you seem to imply.
In meatspace, we can't make a house that can't be broken into; it would no longer be a house.
The same is true of computer security. Secure software only keeps out the lamers, which is an admirable goal in itself, but is only part of the picture.
Intrusion Detection is about accountability, which combines with the law and the courts to result in deterrance; kind of like the way most people won't break into your house because they might be seen by your neighbors, they might leave fingerprints or other evidence, and you might have alarms or cameras, with all of that meaning that they might go to jail and/or get their ass kicked.
We know how to build good software, although we often don't do it. Intrusion Detection is where all the hot research is going to be for the next few years.
This is especially ironic from someone posting, as most of us do, under a pseudonym.
How does the fact that one is posting anonymously equate to not believing what one says?
Has it never occurred to you that someone might post anonymously so that he won't get fired? Perhaps because he believes very strongly in what he's saying, but feels that his duty to feed his children overrides your curiousity over his identity?
For those of you who have never had to deal with SBC, be advised that for those of us who have, this is no surprise at all.
Southwestern Bell has always sucked, sucks, and will always suck barring saturation atomic bombing of their corporate headquarters.
They suck worst in Oklahoma, where they are deliberately punishing the state for Bob Kerr rolling them over to the FBI for attempting to bribe him. The forms this punishment takes includes things like $150 a month ISDN BRI, $4700+ a month ISDN PRI, etc. (ISDN rates in urban areas are lower, but still unreasonable.)
So now they suck on DSL too? Gee, imagine that.
Every home I ever lived in in SBC territory, I had to rip out all their wiring and redo it myself if I wanted more than 16,800 baud on my connections.
If Micrsoft were to port Office to Linux, or allow someone else to do it, they would be shooting themselves in the foot at point-blank range with a bazooka.
That's what some said about Office for Mac.
It doesn't seem to have hurt Microsoft. If anything, it made them a crapload of money off people who would probably have bought Macs anyway.
1) The System V folks will redo their GUI admin tools (admintool, SAM, SMIT) in GNOME, and continue their development there. So, shops that run the big 3 SysV Unixes will switch.
2) The third-party admin tool folks will switch too, to simplify their work in creating tools for both SysV and Linux. This means Tivoli, CA, Veritas, etc.
3) People wanting to learn their first GUI as a programmer have previously seen it as "I need to learn CDE if I want to get jobs, and GNOME or KDE if I want to write for Linux", so they'd usually choose to learn two interfaces, not all three, because it was the best way. Now, they have to either choose to learn two, or just learn one and be assured of available jobs *AND* good Linux development. A large percentage of them will make the obvious choice, GNOME, and rule that KDE isn't a good choice *EVEN IF IT HAPPENS TO BE BETTER WHEN THEY MAKE THE CHOICE*, because you can learn one interface more thoroughly than you can learn two.
4) The commercial Unix vendors will see that going with GNOME makes them compatible with not just RedHat now, but also System V, and some of the more popular ones will switch.
5) KDE will continue to develop, get better and better, and get less and less relevant. Eventually they'll start hemmoraging non-core developers, as those coders decide they'd like for their work in their off-time to improve their user experience at their jobs, where they're increasingly using GNOME because of #1 above.
6) Long-time KDE projects will begin porting over to GNOME. Die-hard KDE folks will fork them and continue KDE versions, but they'll fall behind.
KDE may never actually die; but it's peak in relevance will be reached very soon, and after that it's all downhill.
No one made any cop be a cop. they do it on their own free will. That means they must agree with what the job enforces.
You're assuming that they must agree with *EVERY* law they're enforcing. If this were true, all cops would have the exact same opinions about all laws.
This, however, is not the case.
People become cops because they want to enforce laws like murder, robbery, rape, etc.
They usually don't become cops because they want to enforce mopery, dopery, barratry, and conspiracy to commit trespassing.
A lot of cops risk their jobs to be a part of the political process, in between shifts of risking their lives to protect you and me.
Hating all cops because of one or more graphic depictions of individual stupidity is like hating all programmers because of Windows.
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Geez, all I thought there was down there was blue-haired little old ladies from Binghamton who weren't strong enough to start the snowblower anymore.
Are you kidding? We're the beating heart of the porno movie industry, baby!
Also, the primary import location for nearly every drug except marijuana. That, we just grow. 2nd would probably be the CIA's fields in Arkansas.
Breast cancer rates have doubled since it was introduced in soft drinks. Yearly complaints to the FDA related to it's use quadrupled that year, too.
It causes a whole hell of a lot of other problems than cancer in far lower doses, especially if you're diabetic.
Do a little reading, it will scare the shit out of you.
Feel free to find your own links, or start here:
http://aspartamekills.com/ (They're obviously nuts, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you. Good links, judge for yourself.)
Aspartame is killing thousands. Anybody that doesn't think that's possible needs to go stare at a pack of cigarrettes and see if "nobody would do that" rings very true.
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Although the Netcity form does only have two OS choices (Windows and Mac, of course), it is not a required field; so you can fill it out with no OS choice. It'll be difficult for them to claim you told them you had Windows, and they do put up a screen promising you you'll receive your scanner in 6 to 12 weeks.
I didn't agree to anything regarding it's use, either.
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There's nothing illegal about having a monopoly, or even going to certain lengths to protect it.
Taking legal action to prevent people from engaging in legal behavior, in order to keep them from endangering your monopoly through completely legal means, is both abuse of process and anti-competitive behavior, both of which are illegal.
Suing people for reverse-engineering your code for purposes of compatibility is abuse of process, period.
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Wouldn't NTFS compatability in Linux allow anyone with a Linux micro-distribution(on a floppy) access the information on a computer running NT on NTFS?
Yes, it would, and that's exactly what it's been doing for a couple of years now.
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You need to re-read the dd man page and learn how it works.
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I mean, just because they don't want others to use their NTFS filesystem does not have anything to do with them being a monopoly.
They want to be the only one with an OS that can do NTFS.
The only company that can do something, enforced at gunpoint (which is the end result of a lawsuit, the courts enforce a ruling under threat of jail), and you don't see how that's a monopoly?
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Hey, if this thing is 320Gb of Raid 1, that means it's got 640Gb of drives in it.
That means if you could turn off the Raid mirroring, you can double the capacity.
Wonder if it could be converted to Raid 5; assuming it's 8 HDs of 80Gb each, you could get 560Gb out of it with Raid 5.
I wonder if I can get any more possibly false assumptions based on limited data from a press release into this post?
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Universal will probably be sending someone over to Courtney Love to be repossessing those Prada pants of hers any time now.
:-)
Getting Courtney out of her pants isn't exactly difficult.
(Sorry, Courtney; couldn't resist.)
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The problem is that we have this attitude:
All we can do is hope that the courts will guide us in the right direction.
No, sir, that is exactly what we can NOT afford to do.
People took that attitude when the courts started violating the 2nd Amendment, and we told you that it wouldn't be the last. We were called "gun nuts" and "radicals".
Then people took that attitude when the courts started violating the 4th Amendment, and we told you that it wouldn't be the last. We were called "drug fiends" and "criminals".
Now is it a big goddamn surprise that we were *RIGHT*, and the courts are starting to take away our 1rst Amendment rights? You were warned, repeatedly. You insulted those who warned you.
Our vindication is a Pyrrhic victory; we've been proven correct, at the cost of our rights, because people took the attitude that they could "only hope the courts will guide us in the right direction".
This government was created to allow the people to guide the courts, not vice versa. Every person who doesn't know that and fight to preserve it is given up their most essential liberties, and unfortunately giving up mine too.
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No.
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Because you just proved the point you were refuting. Why do you need to get to the guts? Why not just use the GUI?
Did you read more than three words of my comment?
I'll spell it out again, in small words:
One person can use a GUI that's "easy to use". Another can use a GUI that lets you get to the guts.
I did not mention the CLI at any point in any of my comments on this topic, yet two people so far (perhaps more, I only read at +2) have attempted to refute statements I supposedly have made about it.
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The argument you're disputing is certainly stupid.
However, I didn't make that argument; you've merely set up a straw man.
The only operating systems that have the problems Dilger asserts are those where the GUI is part of the OS. It doesn't have to be, and I'm arguing that it shouldn't be.
Furthermore, I didn't argue that all GUIs should be "stupid", as you mistakenly claim. I merely asserted that if some of them are, that doesn't mean others are, and with Unix we have a choice.
The command line is part of the OS, and has nothing to do with the utility of the GUI.
Perhaps you should have read my comment before replying to it.
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'Ease is never free: its gain is matched by a loss in choice, security, privacy, health, or a combination thereof,'
Bullshit.
This may be true in a Microsoft or Apple type world, where there's only one GUI and it's the only available choice, and OS is written around the GUI, but it's complete nonsense in the rest of world.
Linux, *BSD, and Unix are built with a robust operating system designed for maximum utility, with the GUI residing in user space where it belongs, and very little done to the OS to make the GUI's job easier.
In such an architecture, you can make the GUI as "easy to use" as you want, without affecting another user's ability to "get at the guts", because he doesn't have to use your GUI.
That is why he is wrong, and that is why we will win.
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The bottom line is Amazon is not a monopoly, they have plenty of competition.
So they can charge any damn price they want, reasonable or not. If you don't like it, you can do two things with sound moral ground beneath your feet:
1) Stop doing business with them. (I have, long ago.)
2) Discuss it publicly to show your displeasure to Amazon, and to warn other consumers about the behavior.
Amazon is being assholes again. Is anybody surprised?
Stop doing business with them. Try buy.com or FatBrain.
Or even Barnes and Noble, unless they've screwed you too.
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Just what do you plan to do about it?
For now, I plan to vote for Harry Browne.
Long-term, I intend to bring it up whenever I'm speaking to my legislators.
What do *YOU* plan to do about it?
If everyone is competing to work for the lowest wage, then everyone's wage ends up as low as the most desperate person's.
Bullshit. If that were true, we'd all be making minimum wage now. I dunno about you, but I'm making a lot more than that.
Hello, sweatshops.
Sweatshops have a damn site more dignity than welfare. However, in order to have a sweatshop, you have to violate other laws than just the minimum wage.
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Vote Libertarian if you want to see this sort of shit eliminated.
Neither the major political parties, nor the number four party (Reform) are interested in fixing this.
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Better intrusion detection isn't the answer ... Secure software is.
You're completely wrong.
"Secure" isn't an object, it's a process. There is no such thing as "secure" in the sense you seem to imply.
In meatspace, we can't make a house that can't be broken into; it would no longer be a house.
The same is true of computer security. Secure software only keeps out the lamers, which is an admirable goal in itself, but is only part of the picture.
Intrusion Detection is about accountability, which combines with the law and the courts to result in deterrance; kind of like the way most people won't break into your house because they might be seen by your neighbors, they might leave fingerprints or other evidence, and you might have alarms or cameras, with all of that meaning that they might go to jail and/or get their ass kicked.
We know how to build good software, although we often don't do it. Intrusion Detection is where all the hot research is going to be for the next few years.
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What we need to do to facilitate this is:
Don't like to DeCSS, link to Altavista's links to DeCSS. Link to Yahoo's links to DeCSS.
*FORCE* the MPAA to drag them into court if they want to drag us into court.
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if you don't believe what you say, why say it?
This is especially ironic from someone posting, as most of us do, under a pseudonym.
How does the fact that one is posting anonymously equate to not believing what one says?
Has it never occurred to you that someone might post anonymously so that he won't get fired? Perhaps because he believes very strongly in what he's saying, but feels that his duty to feed his children overrides your curiousity over his identity?
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For those of you who have never had to deal with SBC, be advised that for those of us who have, this is no surprise at all.
Southwestern Bell has always sucked, sucks, and will always suck barring saturation atomic bombing of their corporate headquarters.
They suck worst in Oklahoma, where they are deliberately punishing the state for Bob Kerr rolling them over to the FBI for attempting to bribe him. The forms this punishment takes includes things like $150 a month ISDN BRI, $4700+ a month ISDN PRI, etc. (ISDN rates in urban areas are lower, but still unreasonable.)
So now they suck on DSL too? Gee, imagine that.
Every home I ever lived in in SBC territory, I had to rip out all their wiring and redo it myself if I wanted more than 16,800 baud on my connections.
They suck.
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If Micrsoft were to port Office to Linux, or allow someone else to do it, they would be shooting themselves in the foot at point-blank range with a bazooka.
That's what some said about Office for Mac.
It doesn't seem to have hurt Microsoft. If anything, it made them a crapload of money off people who would probably have bought Macs anyway.
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Here's how it's actually going to go down:
1) The System V folks will redo their GUI admin tools (admintool, SAM, SMIT) in GNOME, and continue their development there. So, shops that run the big 3 SysV Unixes will switch.
2) The third-party admin tool folks will switch too, to simplify their work in creating tools for both SysV and Linux. This means Tivoli, CA, Veritas, etc.
3) People wanting to learn their first GUI as a programmer have previously seen it as "I need to learn CDE if I want to get jobs, and GNOME or KDE if I want to write for Linux", so they'd usually choose to learn two interfaces, not all three, because it was the best way. Now, they have to either choose to learn two, or just learn one and be assured of available jobs *AND* good Linux development. A large percentage of them will make the obvious choice, GNOME, and rule that KDE isn't a good choice *EVEN IF IT HAPPENS TO BE BETTER WHEN THEY MAKE THE CHOICE*, because you can learn one interface more thoroughly than you can learn two.
4) The commercial Unix vendors will see that going with GNOME makes them compatible with not just RedHat now, but also System V, and some of the more popular ones will switch.
5) KDE will continue to develop, get better and better, and get less and less relevant. Eventually they'll start hemmoraging non-core developers, as those coders decide they'd like for their work in their off-time to improve their user experience at their jobs, where they're increasingly using GNOME because of #1 above.
6) Long-time KDE projects will begin porting over to GNOME. Die-hard KDE folks will fork them and continue KDE versions, but they'll fall behind.
KDE may never actually die; but it's peak in relevance will be reached very soon, and after that it's all downhill.
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Sure you can. But who else (except a few Linux users) cares?
@Home customers who use any of the dozens of other operating systems capable of performing this feat.
Or did you think SSH and PPP were Linux things?
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No one made any cop be a cop. they do it on their own free will. That means they must agree with what the job enforces.
You're assuming that they must agree with *EVERY* law they're enforcing. If this were true, all cops would have the exact same opinions about all laws.
This, however, is not the case.
People become cops because they want to enforce laws like murder, robbery, rape, etc.
They usually don't become cops because they want to enforce mopery, dopery, barratry, and conspiracy to commit trespassing.
A lot of cops risk their jobs to be a part of the political process, in between shifts of risking their lives to protect you and me.
Hating all cops because of one or more graphic depictions of individual stupidity is like hating all programmers because of Windows.
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Geez, all I thought there was down there was blue-haired little old ladies from Binghamton who weren't strong enough to start the snowblower anymore.
Are you kidding? We're the beating heart of the porno movie industry, baby!
Also, the primary import location for nearly every drug except marijuana. That, we just grow. 2nd would probably be the CIA's fields in Arkansas.
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Breast cancer rates have doubled since it was introduced in soft drinks. Yearly complaints to the FDA related to it's use quadrupled that year, too.
It causes a whole hell of a lot of other problems than cancer in far lower doses, especially if you're diabetic.
Do a little reading, it will scare the shit out of you.
Feel free to find your own links, or start here:
http://aspartamekills.com/ (They're obviously nuts, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you. Good links, judge for yourself.)
Aspartame is killing thousands. Anybody that doesn't think that's possible needs to go stare at a pack of cigarrettes and see if "nobody would do that" rings very true.
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