Your worst dreams will come true in deathmatch hell with the coder who made the rules.
Ah, you're talking about the hacked 'open source' Quake binaries that are destroying what remains of Quake I net play. Yes, coders do "make all the rules" up there as they go along, don't they?
For some reason you people all seem to think that codeing a 3-D first person shooter game is the ultimate action in 3-D graphics programming.
Here's a clue for you: The under $60 shrink-wrapped software market is NOT the end all and be all of 3-D graphics programming. If it were, then the animation at movie theatres would, well.. all look like Quake.
Nope. The "modem vendors releasing specs" is not what keeps there from being 'winmodem drivers' for Linux.
It would involve deep layer kernel hacking to put native DSP coding into Linux that would enable the kernel to emulate a modem. Because that's how Winmodems work. A modem emulator is not something you can just cram into a timesharing system without a hell of a lot more rewriting than is realistic.
I am trying to figure out why an application is considered broken if it works with a domain name.
And don't be waving standards in our face if you think that the blatant standard-breaking efforts by the Gnu C Compiler team is okay(they thumb their nose at the Ansi C Committee with glee).
The evidence shows that most computer crime of any significance is committed by insiders to the organisation that the crime is perpetrated again.
Do you tell the guard at the entrance to your place of employment "So, just don't let me in!"?? Protection against exploits from within the system as just as important.
And, to cap off what the previous comment says, the cDc's "product" is primarily designed for malevolent use. Otherwise, it would load with a big friendly splash screen and have a nice obvious icon in the system tray.
There you go, now, trying to redefine language to fit your agenda.
A cracker is someone who breaks copy protection on games and programs that are copy protected.
That definitiion is at LEAST as old as the subset of the definition of 'hacker' that you champion at the exclusion of all other definitions of the word.
Linux will run on older PC's better and will extend the life of older existing PC's.
What makes you think there is an ageing fleet of older computers (386's and 486's) in China just waiting for somebody to install Linux on? That's a very 'first world' assumption.
What would make a Polish version of C++ any different than the ANSI version? The keywords in C aren't English, thought they may have a certain resemblance.
You may as well be talking about a Polish version of Calculus.
I think the problem is that anything that the management at Slashdot thinks would be a good controversial topic, promoting high traffic and bringing in greater banner revenues, is considered fair game.
Come on, Mr. Malda & co. Stop your irresponsible "journalism." You're cashing in on Slashdot's former reputation in a rather ugly way.
That would be an interesting 'historic parallel' if:
1. Windows 2000 was an addictive substance.
2. Microsoft was an invading country with gunboats.
Don't trivialize the serious criminal nature of the British opium trade that resulted in "The Opium Wars" in China. Just about any expensive manufactured goods being sold by a first world country to a third world country is similar to Microsoft selling W2K to China. Intel selling Pentium chips is pretty much the same thing, for instance. Or Sun selling Sparc hardware, for that matter.
Well, I get irritated about Pat being hassled via e-mail because I think he puts together one of the finest distributions, and we don't need a lot of lamers wasting his time.
On the Windows platform it jumped from Word 2.0 for Windows to Word 6.0. They did it to "syncronize the version numbering of the PC and Macintosh Versions"
The Word for DOS versions went up to 6.0 before the product was discontinued. 5.5 for DOS was probably the snappiest version of Word ever (and it isn't EVER going to be that snappy and responsive again.)
I won't point fingers, though. Slackware jumped directly from 4.0 to 7.0 and it's my Linux distribution of choice.
NetBSD is at 1.4.1 and it's the oldest of the freenixes. Go figure.
Everything was simultaneously invented by Al Gore and Apple Computer. Yes, you heard it here first. Although I am sure Apple Computer has a press release out on it before now, because, as we all know, they are first at everything.
It isn't really Scott McNealy's software, in the first place. All Mr. McNealy is is a bug lunking hockey player whose day job is being a businessman. The people inside Sun who Java "belongs" to have nothing to do with that big lumbering fool, except that they pretend he's in charge when he's in the room.
McNealy can't write code. He's never been able to write code. He doesn't even pretend he can write code.
Your comment brought to mind a vision of scruffy little college kids acting all tuFF, running around wearing "Frigidaire" and "Western Electric" t-shirts. And it made me laugh.
Think about a Beowulf cluster of those Frigidaires!!
The IBM PC BIOS case presents an interesting situation to examine.
It was more difficult, not less difficult, to make a clean-room clone of the BIOS, specifically because IBM released a commented ASM listing of the BIOS in the technical reference manual. So it's a case where publishing the source code IMPEDED the development of alternatives, as anybody with enough interest to want to see how it worked was 'contaminated' early on before the cloners hired anybody.
*Sigh* I knew someone was going to mention Heinlein. What an irrelevant person he was. He basically just wrote a bunch of utopian crap, tailored to what the kind of person who reads Science Fiction (young boys, and people who still think like young boys). An easy buy-in, and the kind of author most of us are fascinated for before we mature (like Edgar Allen Poe, O Henry, and some of the other classic adolescent writers). By all means read some Heinlein... but then grow up afterwards.
If I am paying for it (taxes) I have a right to complain about it wether I vote or not. It's that simple, and the messed up reasoning that tries to obligate us to vote "or we don't have a right to complain" is, well... messed up. It's what the smarmy people who spend all that time at political conventions try to imply is the WHOLE truth. It's not.
When something is "banned" or it's presence on the web is made illegal, people who take down their site and then link to other sites are engaging in schoolboy reasoning, in defiance of the spirit of the judgement. There hasn't been a judgement here yet, it seems, but when there is, 'routing around' the ruling in this way could be construed as criminal conspiracy. I am not a lawyer, of course. Almost none of us are, though, so a lot of this is speculation on our parts.
The previous commenter didn't post a link to a site where the code can be found. S/he is not becoming a co-plaintiff in the case in any way or shape. People who are, and people who are advertising their links to places where they provide the code are becoming involved. The suits are reviewing everything being written here.
I'm not aware of any case law which forces Real to produce player software for each and every architecture of each and every Operating system out there. This is much the same.
Plus, I've noticed at least one location which has compiled Windows DLLs available. Is this to facilitate the production of "device drivers" for Linux?
The whole point of the move by the DVD people, it seems to me, is to do as was stated a few days ago in the "whack the gophers" posts. If the only people producing a player for Linux are gophers, they can just whack anybody who goes public with a player on the head. That will keep it only on underground web sites, and not part of any distribution. I think they would find that a satisfactory outcome.
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Your worst dreams will come true in deathmatch hell with the coder who made the rules.
Ah, you're talking about the hacked 'open source' Quake binaries that are destroying what remains of Quake I net play. Yes, coders do "make all the rules" up there as they go along, don't they?
For some reason you people all seem to think that codeing a 3-D first person shooter game is the ultimate action in 3-D graphics programming.
Here's a clue for you: The under $60 shrink-wrapped software market is NOT the end all and be all of 3-D graphics programming. If it were, then the animation at movie theatres would, well.. all look like Quake.
Nope. The "modem vendors releasing specs" is not what keeps there from being 'winmodem drivers' for Linux.
It would involve deep layer kernel hacking to put native DSP coding into Linux that would enable the kernel to emulate a modem. Because that's how Winmodems work. A modem emulator is not something you can just cram into a timesharing system without a hell of a lot more rewriting than is realistic.
Try again.
Look out! You're going to get all the "the Internet should never, ever, respect any geographical boundaries" people all up in a tizzy.
I am trying to figure out why an application is considered broken if it works with a domain name.
And don't be waving standards in our face if you think that the blatant standard-breaking efforts by the Gnu C Compiler team is okay(they thumb their nose at the Ansi C Committee with glee).
So, DON'T LET ME IN
The evidence shows that most computer crime of any significance is committed by insiders to the organisation that the crime is perpetrated again.
Do you tell the guard at the entrance to your place of employment "So, just don't let me in!"?? Protection against exploits from within the system as just as important.
And, to cap off what the previous comment says, the cDc's "product" is primarily designed for malevolent use. Otherwise, it would load with a big friendly splash screen and have a nice obvious icon in the system tray.
There you go, now, trying to redefine language to fit your agenda.
A cracker is someone who breaks copy protection on games and programs that are copy protected.
That definitiion is at LEAST as old as the subset of the definition of 'hacker' that you champion at the exclusion of all other definitions of the word.
Linux will run on older PC's better and will extend the life of older existing PC's.
What makes you think there is an ageing fleet of older computers (386's and 486's) in China just waiting for somebody to install Linux on? That's a very 'first world' assumption.
What would make a Polish version of C++ any different than the ANSI version? The keywords in C aren't English, thought they may have a certain resemblance.
You may as well be talking about a Polish version of Calculus.
I think the problem is that anything that the management at Slashdot thinks would be a good controversial topic, promoting high traffic and bringing in greater banner revenues, is considered fair game.
Come on, Mr. Malda & co. Stop your irresponsible "journalism." You're cashing in on Slashdot's former reputation in a rather ugly way.
That would be an interesting 'historic parallel' if:
1. Windows 2000 was an addictive substance.
2. Microsoft was an invading country with gunboats.
Don't trivialize the serious criminal nature of the British opium trade that resulted in "The Opium Wars" in China. Just about any expensive manufactured goods being sold by a first world country to a third world country is similar to Microsoft selling W2K to China. Intel selling Pentium chips is pretty much the same thing, for instance. Or Sun selling Sparc hardware, for that matter.
Well, I get irritated about Pat being hassled via e-mail because I think he puts together one of the finest distributions, and we don't need a lot of lamers wasting his time.
On the Windows platform it jumped from Word 2.0 for Windows to Word 6.0. They did it to "syncronize the version numbering of the PC and Macintosh Versions"
The Word for DOS versions went up to 6.0 before the product was discontinued. 5.5 for DOS was probably the snappiest version of Word ever (and it isn't EVER going to be that snappy and responsive again.)
I won't point fingers, though. Slackware jumped directly from 4.0 to 7.0 and it's my Linux distribution of choice.
NetBSD is at 1.4.1 and it's the oldest of the freenixes. Go figure.
Wow, I haven't heard any Amiga ranting at this level in ages. You've even resurrected the old "Amiga versus IBM" slogan.
My old Xerox-820 machine could do cool stuff too.
It didn't have a set of chips named after girls, though.
Everything was simultaneously invented by Al Gore and Apple Computer. Yes, you heard it here first. Although I am sure Apple Computer has a press release out on it before now, because, as we all know, they are first at everything.
It isn't really Scott McNealy's software, in the first place. All Mr. McNealy is is a bug lunking hockey player whose day job is being a businessman. The people inside Sun who Java "belongs" to have nothing to do with that big lumbering fool, except that they pretend he's in charge when he's in the room.
McNealy can't write code. He's never been able to write code. He doesn't even pretend he can write code.
Your comment brought to mind a vision of scruffy little college kids acting all tuFF, running around wearing "Frigidaire" and "Western Electric" t-shirts. And it made me laugh.
Think about a Beowulf cluster of those Frigidaires!!
The IBM PC BIOS case presents an interesting situation to examine.
It was more difficult, not less difficult, to make a clean-room clone of the BIOS, specifically because IBM released a commented ASM listing of the BIOS in the technical reference manual. So it's a case where publishing the source code IMPEDED the development of alternatives, as anybody with enough interest to want to see how it worked was 'contaminated' early on before the cloners hired anybody.
*Sigh* I knew someone was going to mention Heinlein. What an irrelevant person he was. He basically just wrote a bunch of utopian crap, tailored to what the kind of person who reads Science Fiction (young boys, and people who still think like young boys). An easy buy-in, and the kind of author most of us are fascinated for before we mature (like Edgar Allen Poe, O Henry, and some of the other classic adolescent writers). By all means read some Heinlein... but then grow up afterwards.
If I am paying for it (taxes) I have a right to complain about it wether I vote or not. It's that simple, and the messed up reasoning that tries to obligate us to vote "or we don't have a right to complain" is, well... messed up. It's what the smarmy people who spend all that time at political conventions try to imply is the WHOLE truth. It's not.
Are we conceeding that "reverse engineering for interoperability" is only a part of the agenda, then and that it's also about money?
That sort of breaks down the noble "it's to produce a device driver for the Freenixes because they wouldn't produce one for us" arguement.
It could even shoot the whole case.
When something is "banned" or it's presence on the web is made illegal, people who take down their site and then link to other sites are engaging in schoolboy reasoning, in defiance of the spirit of the judgement. There hasn't been a judgement here yet, it seems, but when there is, 'routing around' the ruling in this way could be construed as criminal conspiracy. I am not a lawyer, of course. Almost none of us are, though, so a lot of this is speculation on our parts.
Nope.
The previous commenter didn't post a link to a site where the code can be found. S/he is not becoming a co-plaintiff in the case in any way or shape. People who are, and people who are advertising their links to places where they provide the code are becoming involved. The suits are reviewing everything being written here.
I'm not aware of any case law which forces Real to produce player software for each and every architecture of each and every Operating system out there. This is much the same.
Plus, I've noticed at least one location which has compiled Windows DLLs available. Is this to facilitate the production of "device drivers" for Linux?
The whole point of the move by the DVD people, it seems to me, is to do as was stated a few days ago in the "whack the gophers" posts. If the only people producing a player for Linux are gophers, they can just whack anybody who goes public with a player on the head. That will keep it only on underground web sites, and not part of any distribution. I think they would find that a satisfactory outcome.