Suppose Mitkick gave the police the key. Could they look at the disk and get more evidence for *another* possible conviction or would that fall under "double jeopardy"?
I can really only say for RH because I rarely use other distros....given that most OSes aren't secure out of the box. But the "newbie" distros are going out of their way to turn on tons of stuff that most people will never need. If they are new to Linux, they'll probably let that stuff run for quite a long time. For instance I've seen a whole lot of people on my campus running portmap when they absolutely don't need it. I mean come on, if you are going to need portmap you probably know enough to figure out how to turn the damn thing on. It usually doesn't work the other way tho and it would be really easy for RH to look out for those people by turning it off.
default portmap on + no tcp rules + new admin == trouble!
I'm with you that Debian is very good...maybe better than RH...but the story is about RH giving away lots of CDs to non-Unix people (more than likely). Since RH is trying to make Linux easier, why not make it more secure for newbies and give them a fighting chance?
...please please please *TURN OFF* all of the extra networking daemons as part of the install. It's getting quite common, especially on campus nets, for Unix/Linux newbies to get rooted before they have a chance to learn *anything* about how *nix works. You'd be doing everyone, including yourselves, a favor by disabling things like portmap, ftpd, bind, etc. Give people like me time to help them find LASG so that they don't get cracked and just give up on Linux because "It's too hard to keep people out." Giving a Linux CD to a non-Unix person, like most of the admins. at high schools, is like handing a gun to a non-shooter. At least turn on the safety first.
I've used patch with other srcs before and not had any problems but for some reason I can't figure out how to get it to work with the Linux src. I have the linux-2.2.12 src and the files patch-2.2.14 and patch-2.2.13. What do I need to do?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 4 17:58 linux -> linux-2.2.12/ drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 1024 Jan 4 17:40 linux-2.2.12/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Nov 14 18:28 lost+found/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3111595 Jan 4 17:37 patch-2.2.13 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 7269094 Jan 4 17:37 patch-2.2.14
...but I wonder if part of their motivation for doing this is to increase the number of coders familiar with 3D engines. Seeding the future labor pool so to speak. But then again... maybe it's just because they're good guys(and gals).
Re:Why is LISP superior?
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I'll have to agree with the other poster that LISP is one of things you have to experience to appreciate. My first reaction was "This language wasn't invented...it was found crashed in some dessert in New Mexico.";) But the more familiar you get with LISP the more you start to appreciate it. It's a pretty radical departure from Algol-like lgs. tho.
As for learning how to use emacs...the route most people recommend is to run the tutorial. Frankly, I think that is the worst approach. You have a chicken or the egg problem because you have to know some emacs to even navigate the tutorial. My advice is to buy the printed Emacs manual from FSF. I read a few chapters of the book before sitting down at the 'puter to get finger memory. It was much easier to learn this way. The keystrokes in emacs are actually pretty well thought out(IMO) but most people don't take the time to get the ideas. They just sit down and want to immediately start using it. Doesn't work that way. Once you learn tho...emacs is just great.
>Eh, as you can see, history is replete with >people proclaiming the end of X >technology...which then >promptly goes on to become insanely popular.
Don't forget that this is probably coming from the same people who were writing "Unix is dead" about two years ago. Don't remember C|Net, but I *do* remember that phrase appearing in PeeCeeWeek.
>Since XFree86 is effectiely the device driver for >the monitor, it could be argued that XFree86 is >part of the operating system. And I think >personally that it is. But only while you're >actually using it.
Even tho it doesn't run in kernel space? I'm not sure I agree with you on at least this point.
The video stream of Janet Reno yipping it up about the DOJ victory is only playable with Windows Media Player. I think that says a lot about the whole situation.;)
Re:Note: I am Insured. So is Nate.
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I had something similar happen about two years ago. Good to hear that no one was hurt.
Some advice: a lot of hotels will let you stay for a week or two at a reduced rate. I lived in a hotel for about two weeks while we cleaned up the mess. It's still no fun, but at least you don't have to crash on someone's couch until the place is liveable again. And insurance will usually cover at least part of the hotel costs.
I had something similar happen about two years ago. Good to hear that no one was hurt.
Some advice: a lot of hotels will let you stay for a week or two at a reduced rate. I lived in a hotel for about two weeks while we cleaned up the mess. It's still no fun, but at least you don't have to crash on someone's couch until the place is liveable again.
Relaunch? Huh? With the writers from the first two seasons hopefully? I used to love that show, but when the original writers left...well, I have no reason to even own a TV now.;)
"Hmm, we can't beat this Linux thing with technical superiority."
"Agreed. And every time we try to manufacture technical advantages via FUD those damn 'OSS spokesmen' shoot us down and we look like idiots."
"I've got it. That FreeBSD crowd has a sore ego from all of the press that Linux is getting. Let's play on the zealotry of Linuxers and FreeBSDers. At the least, they get into big flame wars and look like complete idiots. At best, the division becomes a way for us to spread FUD about both OSes w/o bringing our own lack of credibility into the mix. We'll divide and conquer!"
"Excellent. Lisa, get Dvorak on the phone pronto! Muaah ha ha ha..."
Some IS people from my Uni. approached me at our LDD to ask about moving their databases from NT/SQL and Linux/miniSQL to solely Linux/*insert commercial database*. They want out of the NT world due to cost, stability, and security. But the major gripe they had with most of the DBs they had tried with Linux was that there were no tools to add tables, occasionally modify the schema, and do other administrative tasks from a Windows client. Currently, when the guy in the warehouse needs a table added he has to go talk to the Systems Programmers and have them write a Perl script to do it. They want to give him a way to add that table from a GUI so they can do other things and make his life easier. And no they don't want to write the GUI themselves.
So here is my question:
Which DB available for Linux has the best support for administration from a Windows GUI? They would also like the Linux box to handle authentication to the DB thru Samba. I told them that I wasn't sure if that was an samba issue of something that the DB vendors would handle. So I guess that's two questions then.;)
Are you kidding? If you live in Dayton, OH then the aliens are in your backyard! Surely you haven't lived in Dayton and not heard the theories about Wright-Patterson Air Force Base?!?! I reserve judgement on whether we've ever been visited by E.T.s, but if we have you are living in the heart of the coverup. Dayton is a lot more fun if you remember that.:)
...but a whole lot of infections could be prevented by coding OSes and applications in a security conscious fashion. Most viruses just take advantage of sloppy software design. Sounds like they have come up with some interesting ideas but it's also the long way around to solve the problem for about 90% of the viruses that I've seen.
I used to work at the Lotus/IBM office that is responsible for Sametime. For fairness sake, I just wanted to point out that the AIM/MSN Messenger functionality is a very small subset of Sametime. I'd try to explain everything that Sametime does, but I suppose Lotus's own literature would give you a better idea than any attempt I could make. FYI.
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Hah, excellent. Wish I had moderator right now. :)
Do we win something if we can fool him into answering a computer-generated question? ;)
Suppose Mitkick gave the police the key. Could
they look at the disk and get more evidence for
*another* possible conviction or would that
fall under "double jeopardy"?
I can really only say for RH because I rarely
use other distros....given that most OSes
aren't secure out of the box. But the "newbie"
distros are going out of their way to turn on
tons of stuff that most people will never need.
If they are new to Linux, they'll probably let
that stuff run for quite a long time. For instance
I've seen a whole lot of people on my campus
running portmap when they absolutely don't need
it. I mean come on, if you are going to need
portmap you probably know enough to figure out
how to turn the damn thing on. It usually doesn't
work the other way tho and it would be really easy
for RH to look out for those people by turning
it off.
default portmap on + no tcp rules + new admin == trouble!
I'm with you that Debian is very good...maybe
better than RH...but the story is about RH
giving away lots of CDs to non-Unix people
(more than likely). Since RH is trying to make
Linux easier, why not make it more secure for
newbies and give them a fighting chance?
...please please please *TURN OFF* all of the
extra networking daemons as part of the install.
It's getting quite common, especially on campus
nets, for Unix/Linux newbies to get rooted before
they have a chance to learn *anything* about
how *nix works. You'd be doing everyone,
including yourselves, a favor by disabling things
like portmap, ftpd, bind, etc. Give people like
me time to help them find LASG so that they
don't get cracked and just give up on Linux
because "It's too hard to keep people out." Giving
a Linux CD to a non-Unix person, like most of the
admins. at high schools, is like handing a gun to
a non-shooter. At least turn on the safety first.
I've used patch with other srcs before and not
had any problems but for some reason I can't
figure out how to get it to work with the Linux
src. I have the linux-2.2.12 src and the files
patch-2.2.14 and patch-2.2.13. What do I need to do?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 4 17:58 linux -> linux-2.2.12/
drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 1024 Jan 4 17:40 linux-2.2.12/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Nov 14 18:28 lost+found/
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3111595 Jan 4 17:37 patch-2.2.13
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 7269094 Jan 4 17:37 patch-2.2.14
...but I wonder if part of their motivation
for doing this is to increase the number of
coders familiar with 3D engines. Seeding the
future labor pool so to speak. But then again...
maybe it's just because they're good guys(and gals).
I'll have to agree with the other poster that ;) But the more
LISP is one of things you have to experience
to appreciate. My first reaction was "This
language wasn't invented...it was found crashed
in some dessert in New Mexico."
familiar you get with LISP the more you start
to appreciate it. It's a pretty radical departure
from Algol-like lgs. tho.
As for learning how to use emacs...the route
most people recommend is to run the tutorial.
Frankly, I think that is the worst approach. You
have a chicken or the egg problem because you
have to know some emacs to even navigate the
tutorial. My advice is to buy the printed Emacs
manual from FSF. I read a few chapters of the book
before sitting down at the 'puter to get
finger memory. It was much easier to learn this
way. The keystrokes in emacs are actually pretty
well thought out(IMO) but most people don't take
the time to get the ideas. They just sit down and
want to immediately start using it. Doesn't work
that way. Once you learn tho...emacs is just
great.
>Eh, as you can see, history is replete with
>people proclaiming the end of X
>technology...which then
>promptly goes on to become insanely popular.
Don't forget that this is probably coming
from the same people who were writing "Unix is
dead" about two years ago. Don't remember
C|Net, but I *do* remember that phrase appearing
in PeeCeeWeek.
>Since XFree86 is effectiely the device driver for
>the monitor, it could be argued that XFree86 is
>part of the operating system. And I think
>personally that it is. But only while you're
>actually using it.
Even tho it doesn't run in kernel space? I'm
not sure I agree with you on at least this point.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/329416.asp?cp1=1
;)
The video stream of Janet Reno yipping it up
about the DOJ victory is only playable with
Windows Media Player. I think that says a lot
about the whole situation.
I had something similar happen about two years ago. Good to hear that no one was hurt.
Some advice: a lot of hotels will let you stay
for a week or two at a reduced rate. I lived
in a hotel for about two weeks while we cleaned up
the mess. It's still no fun, but at least you
don't have to crash on someone's couch until the
place is liveable again. And insurance will
usually cover at least part of the hotel costs.
I had something similar happen about two years ago.
Good to hear that no one was hurt.
Some advice: a lot of hotels will let you stay
for a week or two at a reduced rate. I lived
in a hotel for about two weeks while we cleaned up
the mess. It's still no fun, but at least you
don't have to crash on someone's couch until the
place is liveable again.
Relaunch? Huh? With the writers from the first ;)
two seasons hopefully? I used to love that show,
but when the original writers left...well, I
have no reason to even own a TV now.
...and bring back the writers from the first :)
two seasons of Millinium. It would be Millinium
with a different name. Man, I miss that show.
somebody moderate this guy up to 5. Bye, Jove. I think
he has it!
Meanwhile in Redmond....
"Hmm, we can't beat this Linux thing with
technical superiority."
"Agreed. And every time we try to manufacture
technical advantages via FUD those damn 'OSS
spokesmen' shoot us down and we look like idiots."
"I've got it. That FreeBSD crowd has a sore ego
from all of the press that Linux is getting. Let's
play on the zealotry of Linuxers and FreeBSDers.
At the least, they get into big flame wars and
look like complete idiots. At best, the division
becomes a way for us to spread FUD about both
OSes w/o bringing our own lack of credibility
into the mix. We'll divide and conquer!"
"Excellent. Lisa, get Dvorak on the phone
pronto! Muaah ha ha ha..."
Some IS people from my Uni. approached me at our LDD to ask about moving their databases from NT/SQL and Linux/miniSQL to solely Linux/*insert commercial database*. They want out of the NT world due to cost, stability, and security. But the major gripe they had with most of the DBs they had tried with Linux was that there were no tools to add tables, occasionally modify the schema, and do other administrative tasks from a Windows client. Currently, when the guy in the warehouse needs a table added he has to go talk to the Systems Programmers and have them write a Perl script to do it. They want to give him a way to add that table from a GUI so they can do other things and make his life easier. And no they don't want to write the GUI themselves.
;)
So here is my question:
Which DB available for Linux has the best support for administration from a Windows GUI? They would also like the Linux box to handle authentication to the DB thru Samba. I told them that I wasn't sure if that was an samba issue of something that the DB vendors would handle. So I guess that's two questions then.
>I've never engaged in any network activity that
;)
>is even on the fringes of legality.
Wow, you must be one bad mofo.
Yes, I know it was a typo. But I still found
it amusing.
Are you kidding? If you live in Dayton, OH then :)
the aliens are in your backyard! Surely you
haven't lived in Dayton and not heard the
theories about Wright-Patterson Air Force Base?!?!
I reserve judgement on whether we've ever
been visited by E.T.s, but if we have you are
living in the heart of the coverup. Dayton is a
lot more fun if you remember that.
Wasn't The Hurd named after RMS's gf(now ex) Alix for a time? Might this be the mysterious Alix? ;)
...but a whole lot of infections could be
prevented by coding OSes and applications in
a security conscious fashion. Most viruses just
take advantage of sloppy software design.
Sounds like they have come up with some
interesting ideas but it's also the long way
around to solve the problem for about 90% of
the viruses that I've seen.
and probably a whole slew of new Discovery channel
"specials."
I used to work at the Lotus/IBM office that
is responsible for Sametime. For fairness sake,
I just wanted to point out that the AIM/MSN
Messenger functionality is a very small subset
of Sametime. I'd try to explain everything
that Sametime does, but I suppose Lotus's
own literature would give you a better idea
than any attempt I could make. FYI.